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00:05
That's a lie.
Everyone loves the Cat.
heh. i recall someone telling me you could use this++, yet vs2012 claims that it's constant.
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@ScottW N'aww <3
Oh wait... :'(
@EtiennedeMartel s/Everyone/Nobody
Ell's so feisty today.
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I'm home alone!
Do an all-nighter! Uneeeey
Sweets for breakfast! Uneeeey
Order pizza! Uneeeey
Don't brush my teeth! Uneeeey
@EtiennedeMartel Cracked mentioned that comic on the 30th. Why link to Kotaku?
00:09
Whooops. Anyone think I missed any remaining bugs here? codeproject.com/Articles/570638/…
I don't think I left much "in tact" of his move semantics demonstration...
@LucDanton Because I'm a Kotaku whore.
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I don't know how people can't brush their teeth, I hate not brushing them!
And I don't know how people can have sweet stuff for breakfast either
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and I really need a proper meal! I'm living off half meals like omlettes and oatcakes and soup :o
the first sentence of that article.
makes me sad on the inside.
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00:10
@ScottW It's the most important meal of the day!
For breakfast?
Oh, by the way, I'm apparently "Member 7805758" (post Re: Nice article, good examples, but "Rule Of Zero") on CodeProject
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It's wonderful.
@Zoidberg reverse order? "top" prio...
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@sehe hmm.
00:13
ship
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Cutter
or... barge (if we're going for types of water-worthy vehicles)
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@sehe Fixed. ^^
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Also removed the pointless popover title.
@Zoidberg I was gonna say that ... But I thought "well, whatever" :)
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wise move
00:24
done
I won
lol. time for sleeps :)
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nope
Is HexfireSoftware a real thing?
Oh it is
Also, I realized that I need to
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@sehe Nighty night
... figure out how I wanted to end that sentence before I left.
00:27
Hello, Crazy World!
@ScottW Alone?!
@R.MartinhoFernandes O hey. Plug plug, could you give this a quick scan for anything I missed?
[this]
00:28
Ahaha. And now?
:)
I was just leaving, so I rushed it :)
Hi, by the way, long time no seen.
"plug plug the butt plug"?
So no C++ today, I see...
@Rapptz Incidentally, no
Also I can't be the only one who found the usage of auto in that article to be misuse right?
auto can never be misused :)
00:29
Using auto usually means less code (unless your type is int which is one letter shorter). ?
But advocating it like this? :(
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Instagram is borked. :(
I have never seen any use of auto that I would qualify as misuse
auto i = 10;?
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Good mornin
@Rapptz I haven't actually read the article that well, I just responded to that overly complicated move-semantics demo, and since he responded, I actually took the time to read the code for that sample ... :)
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00:30
auto i{42};
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:P
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Ahh the chat moved!
Ah well. Dinner time.
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Merkins. Having diner at 2:30.
@Rapptz Sounds petty indeed. Although, I "severely" like doing things like auto i = 1ull << 2;
00:31
@Rapptz Nothing wrong with that.
@sehe Looks good (disclaimer: I might be a tad tipsy)
I don't think auto can be abused.
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In C++03 it can be. :v
@R.MartinhoFernandes This usually means that you could be pleading temporary insanity
@Zoidberg Not really. Unless you (correctly) equate redundant use with abuse
I dare any nay-sayers to show an example without crappy naming where auto hurts readability.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I know some places where specifically stating signedness of integers would certainly be advised (I recall a twisted bit of code by Bartek the other week, hinging on the exact semantics of A%B where A would be signed, but B would not necessarily)
So, let's propose "unsigned auto" and "signed auto" for C++14 ! Yay
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00:37
auto bahn = infinity;
lol. Sadly, capitalization fail
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@sehe #define auto Auto fixed.
@Zoidberg No...
@Xeo Cool!
@ScottW syntax errors aren't abuse, they actually really helpful to reduce compile time!
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UB > syntax errors.
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00:39
heh. How to reduce your compile time significantly: add a syntax error
But they don't have the same effect on compiletimes.
@Ell or alias gcc=rm; export CXX=rm
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@sehe How can you tell?
@Xeo Now you can say you understand inductive data structures!
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xD
@Zoidberg Because of my vast experience, what else
00:40
@sehe export gcc=true; export CXX=true even faster, never fails!
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really, even on the machines that doesn't have gcc or g++ installed?
But it isn't as persistent. You're right, probably more robust. Make it alias gcc="rm -f -- " then
@Zoidberg Well, there is one exception though: precompiled header can be used to achieve UB very effectively (ODR, anyone) while still reducing compilation time
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I'm gonna be like you dad, you know I'm gonna be like you.
Wrong room?
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I'm listening to harry chapin :D
00:49
Anybody here good with maths?
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I'm not but I'm interested
I might be able to help by some miracle
better than being good at math and not interested :D
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@Pawnguy7 overly broad question.
yes
specifically, it has to do with manual rotation.
Will an SO Q suffice?
hm
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00:51
I still don't know why that is funny.
Hm :\
I really don't like XNA
That isn't the issue actually.
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11:55am, why?
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Sydney? that's why I am always on weird hours...
What time is it for you, Scott?
Woa, same as here.
Where are you from, Scotty?
East Coast, huh?
00:57
2:57 am here, bitches.
I just woke up :(
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01:58
@ScottW Oh, right.
Reminds me of that:
A michigan hot dog, or "michigan", is a steamed hot dog on a steamed bun topped with a meaty sauce, generally referred to as "michigan sauce". The sauce may be tomato-based, depending on where the michigan is purchased. Michigans can be served with chopped onions. If served with onions, the onions can either be buried under the sauce, under the hot dog itself, or sprinkled on top of the sauce. Michigans are a particular favorite in the North Country of New York State, and have been so for many decades. Their popularity soon spread to New York City where they remain a fast food staple. ...
Yeah, well, we do.
We also call poutines with meaty tomato sauce on them "poutine michigan".
What? All the time you've spent here, and you still don't know what a poutine is?
That ^
Java's getting less boring. I got the native HWND of my form.
Fries, cheese curds, and gravy.
That's the basic structure anyway. Then you can put whatever you want on top of that.
I thought we slew the demon known as Telkitty. Damn.
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01:03
At first I thought those fries were hazelnuts somehow
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Q: If there is no god, and yet linux servers are slow, does this mean linux is being programmed by god belivers?

Sumer KolcakLinux is slow and yet god does not exist which means "speed" can be "godless" and yet most speeds in linux are not "godless"

@ScottW lol!
Huh, I didn't know President Bush was a programmer.
The original question was:

        Linux is slow and yet
        god does not exist
        which means "speed" can be "godless"
        and yet most speeds in linux are not "godless"

        where are the godless speeds we are looking for?

        why is php so slow?
        why is ruby on rails on rails ?
        why does c++ feels like gay ++ ?
        and how come you can't code anything on a tablet pc?

        and yet laptops are boring.
        and yet desktops are too bulky and stupid.
That's probably even worse.
It's not even closed yet.
I feel like tagging it C++ so it'll get one more cv lol.
01:11
@chris hahahaha
It is closed now
user142019
boo
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@EtiennedeMartel want
Om-nom-nom-nom.
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@Zoidberg how long have you actually been working on hexapoda?
user142019
Too shortly.
01:42
"I... it's complicated. You mortals could not begin to comprehend"
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registering for half marathon ...
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but my knee hurts
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not excruciating pain, but if I sit in wrong positions, it is not comfortable
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I am not sure entering is a good idea
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May 19th
01:48
Guess what?
Aaaaand I now have support for apply(f, variant, not_a_variant, moar_variant) and similar.
"I see you've written 'sage' in every field"
Anyone want to try his or her hand at indenting this trainwreck?
Over a dozen lines of metacomputation for just the one return statement spanning several lines. I really want overboard for this one.
Hello. Any mods in here? I'd like to know if edits like this are okay: stackoverflow.com/a/15771162/1071413 (so that if it's not, I at least know I shouldn't do this again)
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Aghhh
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01:58
Trust me, I have done the reall 5000+ line indentation revamp at work. Don't wish to do it ever again in this life (or the next)
Why doesn't someone make software that corrects such errors?
ie, iterates through the code and indents it to certain standards
I thought that software already exists
The future is now!
:o
People don't like the way I write code because it's very condensed
Probably not for TMPasta though
wait C++ has multiple inheritance?
02:05
Yes...
Wait, what else has multiple inheritance?
I started learning it like, 3 days ago hah
Ah.Well yes. Apparently, it is usually a bad idea, but not always. Never found a need for it yet myself, though.
The diamond problem, tis no good
To this point, if you want to call a method of one of the bases, in this case or single inheritance, rather than super or base, just use the class name.
I think it was virtual classes which makes only one shared instance.
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Officially registered for half marathon
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02:12
now waiting for the suffer to begin
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guess no pain no gain
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Q: Tired of serverfault moderators

PatI really think you guys should rethink the moderator thing at Serverfault... Lately I've been suffering them a lot; they just got me tired... (fortunately it's only Serverfault; I haven't had issues with moderators from other sites) They act like a gang, if you have a problem with one, expect m...

^^ might be a good read if you wanna see a spammer get squashed.
what's a good show on Netflix?
8s to compile a three-way visitation of variant<short, int, long>.
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watching the computer chronicles - $1000 for a netbook with 2mb of ram xD
02:21
what is that?
It's probably an antique.
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the programme is from 1993
which is really not old at all
^^ Exactly 1k votes.
The Quake guy?
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02:25
Why did it never cross my mind that the spelling for 'bandwidth' is so close to 'sandwich'?
struct foo {
    int bar[];
};
^what's that silly feature called? It's from C.
It's like VLAs in structs or something.
Flexible array members.
That's it! Yuk.
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pubby = pewbie = public member variable?
02:41
That's weird, I updated my comment, and onebox chooses the old version...
@Gman: You won't -1, but I sure will. The STL in an independent form stopped existing since it got adopted into the C++ Standard and in modern usage always refers to the classes provided by the C++ Standard. — DeadMG Jan 14 '11 at 19:41
Douche
on the other hand:
Probably because you answered your own question and accepted it. — Lightness Races in Orbit Jan 14 '11 at 17:48
Lol.
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@ScottW When you feel like trolling, everyone looks like a victim. When you are hungry, everything looks like food :'(
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@ScottW when I write software, more often than not my mind is on either on trolling or food ... or some other things. It is like this low priority task I constantly running in the background :p
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Maybe I should move it up my priority queue, so it get completed faster
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I think it would require more than just a recompilation - my whole brain needs to be re-written. Aren't going to happen ...
02:59
My reaction to your conversation
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Did the person in your cartoon eat beans? That fire power :p
are the per-key mapped elements of an (unordered_?)multimap kept in any defined order?
@Borgleader For some reason, that image is severely lagging my browser... More so than the gifs in the Anime.SE room.
1 message moved to bin
huh i thought it was FF acting up
sowwy
as in, if I add "foo" => "bar" and "foo" => "baz" to a multimap, when I read them back, will they always be in that order?
03:04
When I flip back to this tab, it lags. And the image doesn't reload for a few seconds.
Oh ic... that image is fucking huge.
> 7,580px × 6,920px
WTH
Jesus Borgleader. Get your shit together.
"For multiset and multimap, insert, emplace, and erase preserve the relative ordering of equivalent elements."
well then, next time someone asks, you'll know
although that doesn't say for the unordered_ variants
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Q: Deobfuscating C++ source code

GerdinerIn search for a c++ parser I recently stumbled across the project below. Within it there's a parser that seems extremely well suited to my needs, however I believe the author(s) have deliberately obfuscated some of the core pieces of code, which make examining the code a little difficult. http:/...

^^ are you serious...
> There is a description in the file and on the author's website about there being a plain deobfuscated version, however the indicated site seems to only have a dead-link and attempts to contact the author have been fruitless.
03:18
night
[reving intensifies]
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night
Can't think of a type that has a throwing move constructor right off the bat. Any suggestion?
Oh um guess I can just declare one locally.
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Does anyone know how to specify a file to link to?
e.g. in order to choose a specific version of a file
This is in g++
Pass the file to the driver. You'll have to be more specific.
03:29
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A: Deobfuscating C++ source code

Lightness Races in OrbitSure, just like this! Place water in container A; Place water in container B; Move water from container A to container B; Stir; Re-obtain water originally from container A and put it back into container A. It's really as simple as that.

hehe.. twats.
Also:
@user2172337: You're right. I obviously have no idea how to behave on this website, as opposed to you, who are absolutely right and clearly know best. That's why you have 1 rep, and I have just 75,022. Obviously I have spent no time helping others for free with my own time, unlike you. I humbly beg your forgiveness, master. — Lightness Races in Orbit 2 mins ago
enjoy.
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what is worse? rep whores or trolls?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The first upvote was mine btw.
Do I have a problem if my unit test takes 26s to compile?
@Mysticial :D
@LucDanton Yes. However, mine can take some time to run.
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26s to compile? Someone must have hacked your system, unplug your power NOW!
03:33
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Lots of data to munge? According to Martinho, some of his do take some time because there's a lot of Unicode thingies to process.
@LucDanton Mostly where I've failed to properly mock worker threads that read 1Hz data streams. I end up giving them 2s to eat dummy data, each time. For like 40 cases. Ugh.
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I'm going to bed now
goodnight all
The data parsers themselves have their own unit tests so I tend not to care too much
The I/O is getting tested properly so, w/e, right?
People moan about unit tests, and they can't solve every problem. But I like how I can write a test for the edge cases that, in my superior wisdom, I've specifically designed around, and guarantee that those tests will break when some dickhead fucks about with my code in ignorance in two years' time.
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night ell
03:37
Of course sod's law says that they'll just "fix" the unit tests to "fix" the build. But this is the best I can do.
I can split that in one 10s and one 13s testcase. Good enough.
Guess it's one of those times where I feel some small sense of accomplishment and will keep telling myself "wow there's no way I can possibly improve on that interface" until in some days I will have a nagging suspicion that I can in fact do something better. And then the cycle will continue.
This is interesting:
I noticed the colors and I thought to myself "Oh no, not loseTHOS again". Then I notice the title and tell myself it's okay, it can't be related in any way. NOPE, still loseTHOS.
@Pubby Approach with caution.
@LucDanton What's the story behind loseTHOS?
@Pubby It may or may not be the case that the author of the video is suffering from a mental disorder. It's hard to put it in so few words without coming off as overly harsh -- in any case I don't want to perpetuate the stigma against mental illnesses, nor do I want to lash out again him. He really appears to be brilliant, but there's something off in his writings. On the level of TIMECUBE :/
Some reading (i.e. something a dog on the Internet wrote).
To give credit, the current TempleOS (since that's its name) project page looks okay compared to the last time I read.
03:55
@LucDanton That sounds about right. This guy's stuff is absolutely amazing though.
@Pubby It is.
Actually I'm sorry I brought up that stuff. The site is in very good shape.

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