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How can I reset my project folder and git and get the one stored on github?
user784668
@rubenvb I guess it could run under the z/OS's POSIX compat layer.
@Fanael I have a unix and a Windows platform abstraction layer currently.
So it might work. I'd need to explicitly add the platform to ... stuff... though.
@rubenvb: Hi there.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hello.
15:07
@rubenvb that's better
Custom-made molded earpieces... averysound.com/as.audio_earpiece.html
Yes plis
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Care to explain?
@rubenvb You were ignoring me.
Rebought my old earphones 2 weeks ago because I lost all of their rubber tips... lost one yesterday. Mad.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit AFAICT, I wasn't. Care to elaborate?
oh
You should really @rubenvb when talking to me
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Look again, it doesn't.
Arch Linux has gone from cool to uninstallable on my list
Dammit
user784668
15:11
@rubenvb You're too lame to type a few commands?
@Fanael no, I think I forgot to set the bootable flag
@rubenvb Oh that's bloody confusing
or something
user784668
@rubenvb GRUB needs no stinky bootable flag.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nope. All "libAmbrosia" headers are in the "Ambrosia/*" prefix.
the application headers are not.
15:13
that's really confusing
Guys, I've tried this but my local repo is still different from the remote one...
:(
user784668
@rubenvb #define ambrosia_namespace_begin namespace ambrosia {
you have Ambrosia/Include/global.h, that includes libAmbrosia/Include/Ambrosia/global.h, which is a different fie entirely
user784668
What.
user784668
@rubenvb WTF are you hiding the namespace whaddafuck { behind a macro?
15:15
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes.
i'm starting to write a tool lib class
here is my small vector implementation: ideone.com/2aYhFK
@Fanael well, let's say that's old code
tell me whether you like it
@Fanael KILL IT WITH FIRE
user784668
@DeadMG I agree. KILL @rubenvb WITH FIRE!
15:16
@JohannesSchaub-litb it uses CamelCase. It sucks.
no move functionality and no exception safety guarantees yet
you guys should get some pitchforks first
user784668
@JohannesSchaub-litb Don't like it. At all.
15:16
@Fanael why?
nobody helps, feels hated, read chat description, feeling sad and hopeless, why don't you help meeeee :(, start crying, cat looks at me, cat start crying as well, everybody cries and finally everybody dies.
please give advices
user784668
56 secs ago, by Johannes Schaub - litb
no move functionality and no exception safety guarantees yet
i want to make it robust
that will happen just because someone decided not to help the poor Jeffrey :(
15:17
@Fanael the former turned out to be too difficult for me. i want to look into exception safety later when I get to know the tricks
also i wasn't sure what you can guarantee when the copy ctor throws
@JohannesSchaub-litb Why do you feel the need to reinvent vector of all things??
booha
finally fixed this junk
@AndreiTita there is no Vector<T, int> yet in the spec :(
I can stare endlessly at my program building itself again. Yay!
@JohannesSchaub-litb What is the int for?
15:19
@AndreiTita small vector buffer
@AndreiTita also i wanna learn
@JohannesSchaub-litb That's a good reason.
ok I'll go cry somewhere else
user784668
@JohannesSchaub-litb I thought you already know everything.
@Jeffrey please don't kill yourself.
But you are allowed to go cry somewhere else.
15:22
please don't kill yourself while I am in the room
thanks
i wanna have a good night today without nasty dreams
lol
user784668
@JohannesSchaub-litb pkill -9 rubenvb
the -9 gives him super powers. beware
you guys outgeek me. I'm lost.
Topic: 3,045th time, not a helpdesk.
I hate when people say they have the "latest" version of this and that. "The latest GCC" "the latest Firefox" use the fucking version number
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15:28
Where did this number come from?
I have the latest Java 1.7.0_05
Am I doing it right?
user784668
@tom_mai78101 No.
Ha, okay. Sorry I'm of no help.
15:29
I starred the latest message of @LightnessRacesinOrbit
ohh hahaha
user784668
@tom_mai78101 I have newer Java and my Java is already out of date.
@JohannesSchaub-litb do you want a medal?
user784668
@rubenvb I want a metal.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Pff check yourself
@Fanael What version?
15:29
@JohannesSchaub-litb: Can't you use std::vector with a custom allocator for that purpose?
user784668
@tom_mai78101 1.7.0_09.
@rubenvb Thanks. It's not very obvious, though.
@CatPlusPlus there is an inherent race condition where a new release is being made during the writing of the respective statement that the latest version is used
@Fanael Heard there are vulnerabilities in the forthcoming versions of Java. Should we wait?
15:30
@CatPlusPlus I can but why should I? And how do I know for sure that the OP was correct? And it just demonstrates their complete disregard for the notion of a Q&A archive that will help other people. And it's just plain imprecise for no reason whatsoever.
@tom_mai78101 When aren't there vulnerabilities in Java?
user784668
@tom_mai78101 The vulnerability is Java itself.
It's Stack Overflow nobody cares about Q&A archive
@CatPlusPlus No, that's what Stack Overflow is.
@CatPlusPlus It is not a personal debugging helpdesk
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The "nobody cares about the archives" part?
user784668
15:32
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, Stack Overflow is a site with a gazillion of idiots.
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@tom_mai78101 Yes.
@Fanael Yes. :(
the "latest" is not necessarily free of misunderstanding. the latest trunk revision could be meant. or the latest development release. or the latest stable release. the latest nightly built....
I want the latest and greatest.
@JohannesSchaub-litb Yeah it's retarded
15:33
@tom_mai78101 It's not very true either.
We have version numbers for a reason — use them!
That way you identify a precise thing with certainty.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit But, there are some version numbers exceeding 32 characters.
the latest building of @rubenvb's personal tarballs
@tom_mai78101 Oh shi-
user784668
I'm using GCC 4.8.0 20130202, lol.
15:33
@JohannesSchaub-litb oh wow. WTF?
user784668
Now tell me what's the exact version of GCC I'm using.
not the balls you are thinking of!
oh got it
doh!
@Fanael The latest, but not the latest?
user784668
15:35
Oh C++, FFS, why you're so fucking fucked up.
Flying Floating Monster
@Fanael It's a de-facto language. Get used to it.
user784668
There's no easy way to convert std::string to std::int64_t.
oh noo it doesn't match
wow that is one meaningless sentence
15:36
@Fanael yes there is. just do a loop of the digits
user784668
@JohannesSchaub-litb Don't be silly.
@Fanael What else can you do?
int64_t n = 0; for(char x : str) n = n * 10 + (x - '0');
that's just as short as a potential call to stoi
it's not an exact int64_t, but it'll do.
15:37
and you don't even have to remember the argument meaning
@Fanael std::to_string ?
user784668
@rubenvb That's exactly the problem. I have to guess what type std::int64_t is.
user784668
@AndreiTita That's the other way around.
@Fanael That's also true.
@Fanael Not exactly.
use a template specialization
15:39
@Fanael use the biggest, cast, and truncate.
If it doesn't fit, you're screwed anyways
user784668
@rubenvb If it doesn't fit, I'd rather have an exception.
also int64_t could be an extended integral type I believe
@DeadMG End of the thread, folks. This here is our grand answer.
which means it could be neither long nor long long
then you are f*cked up
15:41
@JohannesSchaub-litb long long is at least as big as int64_t, so no worries.
@JohannesSchaub-litb You'd get a nice clean compiler error at least
Bounds checking is problematic
why not use "sscanf" it has flags for int64_t last time i checked
or just a fuckin' stringstream
that would be the next thing, stringstream.
I use stringstream. People think it's slow. I say I don't notice.
15:44
I agree
it's horrifically shitty interface, though...
i disagree
!next
TIL: stringstream is bidirectional.
I knew there was a reason I spend time in this place...
Anyone who thinks "a function of code is slow" is wrong.
We have a 4 GHz CPU, how slow can you really get?
not to mention that a function is not a unit
@tom_mai78101 When it's running on a Raspberry Pi, I think you might disagree.
15:46
I mean, int f() { return 4; }, not slow, and it probably won't even be a function.
@rubenvb Of course, I don't expect to see a 4 GHz CPU on a Raspberry Pi anytime soon.
Yay Ambrosia procreates once more!
@DeadMG If we consider compiler optimizations, it would be another topic of slowness.
It seems like the question up-voting standards are much more strict on stackoverflow than they are on gamedeveloppement stackexchange. When should I up-vote a stackoverflow question? My intuition tells me that I up-vote too often.
the c++ standard requires that int f() { return 4; } be a function
15:49
@JesseEmond Gamedev.se is a massive pile of shite.
@JesseEmond Nope. You're actually contributing to society.
but secondly
voting is a personal thing; nobody can tell you when to up or down vote, except if you're abusing it (e.g. serial up/downvoting).
@DeadMG .se? I thought it's .net.
@DeadMG Why would it be? It provides in-depth gamedev answers with a lot of specialists in the matter where stackoverflow fails (for the gamedev aspect, I mean).
@tom_mai78101 Different sites. Gamedev.se is StackOverflow for game development. Gamedev.net is unrelated.
15:50
Oh, sorry.
@JesseEmond IME, it does not provide in-depth gamedev answers at all. The people on there knew less than me and I'd only done a tiny smidge. I could go for weeks trying to get useful answers off there, and then get one in half an hour from SO. In addition, they're just amazingly terrible programmers, even if they know one end of a 3D vector from another.
@DeadMG One major factor is the size of the community.
@DeadMG hint: there are no ends on vectors. At least not per se. Strictly speaking.
@rubenvb I know. It's a figure of speech.
15:52
@DeadMG When was that? The community changed quite a bit. It differs a lot from SO where the questions are more broad than specific. You won't get answers for very rare situations, that's for sure. The community grew quite a bit since.
TIL a figure of speech isn't strictly speaking.
@DeadMG Really? Didn't know that. You're smart.
Fuck. I need the MSVS2012 without the IDE and .net cruft
@rubenvb Pay for royalties to use the MSVS compiler. >:D
@tom_mai78101 I have Dreamspark access that's not the issue. It's the cruft that's the issue.
Where are the days of the Windows SDK v7.
Good times.
got the answer from SO
15:54
@rubenvb You can still download that somewhere.
@rubenvb You can invoke cl from the command line,.
user784668
@ComFreek > The Windows SDK no longer ships with a complete command-line build environment. You must install a compiler and build environment separately.
@JesseEmond Upvote something that's well-written, well-presented, relevant and correct. It's pretty obvious I think.
@All: I need the new C++11 stuff in the 2012 version, and I do not want to install GBs of cruft for a bunch of headers, libraries and compilers.
15:56
@JesseEmond When do you upvote?
And the Windows SDK 8 does not contain compilers. Wake up.
user784668
@rubenvb GCC
@Fanael yes, present, but I'd like to test all of GCC, Clang and MSVC.
@Fanael I haven't read that, sorry.
I'll wait for initializer_list library support.
maybe that's a better idea.
and remove my boost wrapping macro magic.
clean up the code a bit.
15:57
@DeadMG Yes and no. There obviously have to be well-defined constraints for a voting system otherwise nobody knows what the result means. For example, in an election, "vote for the person who you want running the country". You can't just present a form with some boxes and say "here you go, just pick someone for whatever reason, because this is democracy and I can't tell you why you should vote for any particular person"
Similarly, the casting of upvotes and downvotes has well-defined semantics in a "correct" SO action (where "correct" means "as designed and intended").
For a Bluetooth device, if I were to start connecting to another device, I have to keep its UUID for the entire connection, until I disconnect?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The constraints are determined by the effects of voting one way or the other. In this case, upvoting rewards the poster and gives the post additional visibility.
@DeadMG Correct! And that's how we determine when you should upvote.
so you upvote if you like it and not if you don't.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I guess that's what I do. Sometimes, however, I have a tendency to up-vote a question simply because it brought interesting answers on the table, even if the answer wasn't particularly good. I guess I should be careful with that.
15:59
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Right, but what I mean to say is that nobody can tell you if you do or don't like a post.
or when you like it enough to think it deserves upvoting.
@JesseEmond Question voting should have nothing to do with answers. Answers have separate scores.
@DeadMG Yep
I downvoted that Eric Lippert post that accrued 4000 upvotes or whatever it was
Nobody can tell you what vote to cast, but we can tell why you should cast a particular vote in a certain direction if you want to be a good SOtizen.
@DeadMG First world Anarchist, right here.
Some people are so bad with computers...
16:01
Sometimes I think people just want to leave the casting of a vote completely up to the individual to mean whatever the heck they choose, out of some bizarre notion that this is important for a democratic system (and let's not even get to the weirdness that is people's overzealous and patriarchal defence of such systems)
@Crowz The 8th layer on the OSI model.
Sometimes, I use @<name> to denote what I'm talking about in the chat.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit More like, protection against corruption.
@DeadMG Defining what you're supposed to be voting for doesn't cause corruption
I can't rig an election by telling you what the election is about
@LightnessRacesinOrbit We already did define what we're voting for.
16:04
I can't rig a SO question score by saying "you should upvote if the question is good"
user142019
@Crowz s/Some/Most/
@DeadMG Yeah - I'm talking about those people who don't like that. They exist in droves :(
You can tell others that the election I'm rigging is about electing someone.
oic
Particularly the "I counteracted the downvote" people. Grr
16:05
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If downvote > upvotes, sir?
My mom called asking for me to help her with computer things, I said "highlight it. Now press control-x" and she was like "OH GOD IT'S GONE WHAT'D I DO?"
It's a shame that SO voting can't be a secret ballot
@LightnessRacesinOrbit inorite, those people are scum
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm saying, if there's more downvotes than upvotes, do you still counteract those people who downvoted?
16:06
@tom_mai78101 I would never cast a vote simply to "undo" someone else's vote.
@Crowz Start teching her. She's becoming a dying generation of computer-not-in-the-know. :(
I downvote bad posts and upvote good ones, and if everyone just followed that pattern then everything would be great. Unfortunately some people seem to like "undoing" downvotes by upvoting, even when they did not actually think the post was worthy of an upvote, just because they didn't think it was quite worthy of a downvote either. I mean, sure, that's your opinion, but that's your opinion of my opinion and you're not supposed to be voting on that. You're supposed to be voting on the post.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Would you do the same if the downvote was actually an error?
@tom_mai78101 What do you mean "an error"? How can a downvote be an "error"?
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit An UB in somebody's mind.
16:09
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Such as, I wanted to give an upvote, but I accidentally clicked on downvote without realizing until later, when I received a notification asking for why I downvoted that post.
@tom_mai78101 How do I know that you did that? How do I know that your vote was a mistake? If you're aware of it then you fix it; if not, you can't tell me about it.
@tom_mai78101 It's annoying to teach people who are too impatient to learn... I already have a tutoring job, don't need another!
user784668
@tom_mai78101 Then you click on upvote when you realize you misclicked.
Anyone have experience with embarcadero C++ 6.5? As in: how is its C++11?
All of the actions mentioned above about downvoting -> upvoting is counteracting what you stated way way above.
16:11
@rubenvb Basically none, AFAIK. Apache keeps an up-to-date chart.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If a notification was sent from the sender asking for "why the downvote" to a very good post, and the person who has given the downvote without realizing it goes back to check on the post to see if there are any other answers/comments, and then actually realized that it (the person I'm speaking of) had made a mistake and wants to correct it.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's how I know I did a mistake.
@DeadMG I did find out it's the new Borland compiler.
man
I'm busy trying to read a scientific article about ultrasounds of the G-spot, but now the website won't load.
bastards.
@DeadMG wat?
G-spots can make ultrasounds?
I doubt it
16:15
they made ultrasounds of one more likely
@tom_mai78101 Then they can correct it. It's not my right to presume to do that for them.
Oh! I read "reading a scientific article about ultrasounds from the G-spot..."
And I was like, wat? and did a double take. Dude, it's radical.
28 seconds on Clang x86, 36 with GCC x64.
UUID, must stay active throughout Bluetooth connection, correct? (Y/N)
user784668
@rubenvb What you measuring?
16:19
@Fanael The time it takes a debug build of Ambrosia to build itself.
Could I write initializer_list constructors out-of-line for MSVS2012's CTP compiler?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: how do you know whether someone is upvoting just to compensate for a downvote that someone else cast or because he thinks (perhaps mistakenly, not judging) that the answer is good/useful/right?
@AndyProwl Because they leave a comment like "+1 to counteract the downvote"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: aha. I've never seen that. Well that's dumb.
@AndyProwl Then they go on meta and write things like this
@AndyProwl It is indeed
@rubenvb Try it? I don't see why not.
16:33
YES. I have manage my courage to ask my professor. This is my first time asking the professor since the freshman days.
It felt so good.
You're a hero.
Now, I'm afraid of my professor snickering behind my back. Probably even gossipping with other people. Oh God.
It's 12:34AM here, and I just can't imagine what answer I'm going to read the next morning. :|
God help me.
Are you a PhD student?
@AndreiTita Nope.
16:38
Relevant.
Geez, is there someone out there peeking on my private life?
Look at it like this: you can take comfort in the fact your situation is far from unique.
yes.
Also, what @rubenvb said.
16:41
@AndreiTita Hm. Am I unique if me and my professor are using Myspace, and I ask him a question via Myspace?
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* googles "what is Myspace" * Probably not.
Thanks. :D
user142019
Hey.
user142019
unlol
16:48
oh now I know what I forgot last time. I didn't install a bootloader.
user142019
lolnoob
nope just went too fast
after my previous borked install.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Late" can also mean "dead". If somebody says the "latest version", they obviously mean "deadest version", which translates to "the very first version (that was publicly available)".
@tom_mai78101 why not twitte?
@user1690130 Don't like its openness.
16:55
@tom_mai78101 why not twitte?
user142019
What the fuck Chuck Norris. buildbot.snapframework.com/job/snap
@user1690130 Because people who use Twitter don't know how to capitalize or spell correctly.

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