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We didn't notice.
@sehe Oh. Well, it's a good thing I told you, then!
@Ell Yes. He got to the point where he started all over. More than once.
Certainly is.
some of you spend a surprising amount of time in this chat room. you guys doing other stuff at the same time?
Ell
Ell
programming is hard :/
00:01
Programming is not the problem there.
@doug65536 I'm cooking a steak, updating my skills matrix entry, and sobering up having just got back from four hours at the pub. You?
I'm quite convinced the guy is quite the talent there
Ell
Ell
I'm certainly doing something else. fapfapfap
porting some MSVC to real C++
@doug65536 Really I'm only here so much because I have an open plan sitting room / office / kitchen
00:01
@Non-StopTimeTravel In light of the previous two lines in the chat, I read that as "coding a steak".
Ell
Ell
Yeah he seems very competent to me, but I'm not good enough to tell
@Non-StopTimeTravel And no gf furniture
@doug65536 There's also the point to be made that you can only observe our presence if you yourself are present. So.... in conclusion, back atcha.
(yes I know there are public transcripts. shush.)
Ell
Ell
What is the problem for him? Staying on track and determined?
And dedicated?
@sehe Why did you use strikethrough? =)
00:02
@doug65536 Yes, sometimes I am slacking while I chat.
yes I realized I was in the set of people who spend too much time in SO chat
@Non-StopTimeTravel It was a freudian strikethrough
@sehe Okay. I thought maybe uttering the phrase "gf furniture" was the Freudian part.
@Ell Finding a goal for his potential
This chat doesn't take too much energy.
00:03
I have no idea how I'm going to convince users to ignore the damned loud security warnings and proceed to use my appets now. I'm a little upset over the whole oracle dropping the ball thing
Are we talking about Zoidberg?
Ell
Ell
What was that condition about someone who makes sexual jokes too much? It was froidenschaad or something?
@RolandSams Um, Oracle didn't drop the ball. You dropped it by choosing Java.
@Non-StopTimeTravel I'm sad to inform you I do not follow what you're trying to say. (You may stop having nice days now, for a while).
@Non-StopTimeTravel Who else
@Ell Schadenfreude Listeni/ˈʃɑːdənfrɔɪdə/ (German: [ˈʃaːdənˌfʁɔʏdə]) is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others
Ell
Ell
00:04
Finding a goal for his potential? What exactly does that mean? Knowing what to do with his skill? What do you think of his quitting/staying at School choice?
@sehe I don't either so that's okay.
@Ell Witzelsucht IIRC
@sehe Just checking
well applets are nice... anyone have any suggestions that isn't active x I ca write web portable apps in?
Dec 22 '12 at 14:21, by sehe
Witzelsucht (from the German witzeln, meaning to joke or wisecrack, and sucht, meaning addiction or yearning) is a set of rare neurological symptoms characterized by a tendency to make puns, tell inappropriate jokes or pointless stories in socially inappropriate situations. Ironically, however, the person is insensitive to humor produced by themselves or others around them. A less common symptom is hypersexuality, the tendency to make sexual comments at inappropriate times or situations. Patients do not understand that their behavior is unnatural, therefore are nonresponsive to others' rea...
00:05
sometimes I attempt this multi-tasking, interleaved conversational style in real life. It generally works in the one-other-person-per-topic variety, even if people get a little confused, but I've yet to manage it with one-other-person-per-N-topics.
Ell
Ell
Ahh yes thats it thank you
@RolandSams There is C++/Qt in the browser now... Or Brython/HTML5
@Ell lol froidenschaad.
@sehe I know a guy who always finds a way to mention "Kotex" (feminine hygiene product). maybe he has it Witzelsucht?
@sehe ahh, tyvm do you have a link I could check out?
Ell
Ell
00:06
Shh don't laugh at me :3
@RolandSams Javascript.
Ell
Ell
I don't know German :L
I don't know German either.
@Ell Warum nichts?
I kinda need OpenSSL
err SSL
00:07
@RolandSams Why?
authentication
@RolandSams phoronix.com/forums/… and code.google.com/p/brython. Mind you: I am joking
Ell
Ell
Apart from ich bin ein Berliner and some bits and bobs
@Non-StopTimeTravel s/nichts/nicht
Ich bin ein Pfannkuchen. (Berliners will get it)
Ell
Ell
00:07
Warm nights?
@Ell "Why not?"
lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bist du doch nicht. Luegner.
Ell
Ell
heh Oh :L I though nicht was night
Like, nacht Der untoten
@sehe I think that sentence structure is wrong.
@Ell Very. It's 9 to 10 degrees Celsius here this nice. Stark contrast to ~4 days ago (-13)
Ell
Ell
00:08
I like the German language
@R.MartinhoFernandes It isn't. It's like the "Did so. Did not." idiom
Ell
Ell
It was so strange, here, all the snow melted entirely overnight
> My second point was to imply that i was searching for a way to fix the lack of class is class like in c#.
@Ell "Det" would be the one word without captial
user142019
hi
00:09
Ohai. The six-foot pole. I wouldn't touch it
too bad inglish iznt speld lojiklee like jermin
As if German was.
@doug65536 Tue beht, Inglisch isend spelt leick Zermen.
Ell
Ell
Does "ein shnitzel" mean anything?
00:11
@Ell hahaha :)
schnitzel, maybe.
user142019
@Ell a schnitzel.
Ell
Ell
What is a schnitzel? I want to say pretzel but I know that's wrong
user142019
Schnitzel () is a breaded cutlet dish made with boneless meat thinned with a hammer (escalope-style preparation), coated in bread crumbs and fried. It is a popular food in many countries and is made from veal, chicken, beef, turkey or pork. Origin It is not known where the Schnitzel originated. The term Wiener Schnitzel itself dates to at least 1845. Variants of this dish are common around the world. Variants *Jägerschnitzel: “Hunter’s Schnitzel”—depending on the area in which it is served, it may or may not be breaded, and is served with cream mushroom sauce. (Jägerschnitzel m...
It's something awesome.
00:11
Man; I'd love to go to one of these gigs
user142019
I ate one today.
Jan 19 at 20:40, by Lightness Races in Orbit
@JerryCoffin http://kera.name/articles/2008/09/an-open-letter-to-the-internets/
trust me, it's good
Ell
Ell
Mm it looks yummy
@doug65536 I agree
00:12
@Zoidberg Did you have a schnauzer with it? (obscure reference; sorry)
Ell
Ell
I like veal
user142019
@AndreiTita a what?
@Non-StopTimeTravel I have the RD700 too. I recognized the sound before I saw the instrument. (Not entirely a postive thing)
A schnauzer () (, plural schnauzen) is a dog breed that originated in Germany in the 15th and 16th centuries. The term comes from the German word for "mustache", because of the dog's distinctively bearded snout. Some authorities, such as Encyclopædia Britannica, also claim that the name is derived from the word's secondary meaning of "moustache". Although the schnauzer is considered a terrier-type dog, they do not have the typical terrier temperament. Breeds The schnauzer type consists of three breeds: the giant, standard, miniature. Toy and teacup are not breeds of schnauzer, but thes...
@Zoidberg A Wiener Schnauzer
00:13
@sehe And if you went looking through IRC transcripts for every time I've posted that link, you'd be posting replies for quite some time
out of curiosity what is this chat app written in?
user142019
@AndreiTita They don't sell dog meat in Dutch supermarkets, hence I don't eat it.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Which is only one of the many reasons I have to refrain from entertaining such silly business.
user142019
@sehe No, I don't eat schnitzels made out of wieners.
Ell
Ell
They sell horse meat In burgers here in blighty, much to the publics dismay
00:14
@RolandSams JavaScript, with a C# backend.
@sehe Only one!
@Ell Yay or neigh on the post-match takeaway, lads?
user142019
Stack Exchange should've been written in CoffeeScript because it's cool.
@RolandSams French, with a Chinese backend.
@Zoidberg Yeah. It was just a reference really. It always pops into my head when schnitzels are mentioned. sternezine.blogspot.com/2006/04/top-secret_25.html
00:15
@Non-StopTimeTravel lol
@Zoidberg You can't just change that from PHP to CoffeeScript and expect it to be less retarded a thing to say
user142019
> 2006
user142019
I didn't even exist back then.
user142019
CoffeeScript is great. I love it.
@Zoidberg You're 6/7 years old?
00:16
Sometimes.
user142019
Mentally.
But at other times he can be the whole seven sevenths of year old.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Decapodian physiology is different.
@Non-StopTimeTravel This must be the weirdest track I listened to in a while. Those lyrics!?! The singing style?!? The folk influence is probably what I like the most. But in general, it strikes me as ... a lot of fluff that reminds me of good music.
Ell
Ell
00:17
These horse jokes have gone far enough. This is the last straw.
Or something like that
user142019
Bender is only two years old in one of the episodes, and people are surprised.
<noizex> eh, MSVC.. not only missing constexpr but even log2
<pepper_chico> what, msvc 2012 is still missing constexpr?
<noizex> yep, and even nov2012 ctp does :(
Is this true?
user142019
Hmm, I have an uncompleted Erlang project named Bender.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Of course it's true.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Yeah.
00:18
@Ell haha
MSVC focused on the more important features.
cough. WinRT?
is std::mem_fn just a lightweight and more specialized version of std::bind?
Ell
Ell
Variadic templates?
@DeadMG What, like compiling?
00:18
nah
They fix that yet?
@AndreiTita Kind of, yeah.
@sehe Exactly!
well, they went with more important things, like lambdas and move semantics and variadic templates, before much less important things, like constexpr.
00:19
@AndreiTita That'd be std::bind1st (possibly with std::mem_fun_ref etc.)
@sehe It's pleasing to the ear without any risk of developing a new paralysing adoration for the group and their music
@Non-StopTimeTravel you think that's bad? emplace_back is the exact same prototype and code as push_back in vc 10
user142019
Windows is one of those platforms I give a constant number of fucks about, which is equal to the—also constant—number of fucks I give in general. (And coincidentally, also equal to the number of times I have fucked, but that's irrelevant.)
@doug65536 :( tell me it ain't so
@Zoidberg ahaha
@Non-StopTimeTravel relies on an implicit copy-construct to work at all
00:19
I'm on a star binge only because you people are so bloody hilarious
@DeadMG The multi-billion dollar corporate giant couldn't do, like, all of those things? The way a scrappy little insurgency with about three decent contributors managed?
Then say so, dont down vote someone for not knowing cause THATS WHY I COME TO A FORUM! — Dumbledore 2 mins ago
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@Non-StopTimeTravel nope, it's a project we are free to do anything in it and I was so stupid to choose encryption and now I can't change.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oooooh hate bait
@Non-StopTimeTravel Eh. Ask those scrappy little insurgents if they have any decent concurrency libraries (hint: they don't, and VS does).
@Non-StopTimeTravel The singing style is a bit over the top ("power vibrato" - it sounds too much like they are competing against each other in terms of decibels. The trick is, none of that is required with mics. My suspicion is they all have a background in classical/folk music and they cannot/haven't yet switched (yeah, grammar, meh) to mic singing).
It is too tiring to my ears. The band is decent/nice.
user1182183
00:21
anyway, do you guys think this question fits on stackoverflow or should I migrate it to somewhere else?
user1182183
I think it does..
@GamErix fix typo in title
user142019
Write it yourself.
user142019
In Perl.
@DeadMG I can't find them. Because they are so few!
user142019
00:22
Damn.
user142019
I have too many languages to learn.
can't find what?
user142019
Perl, Erlang, Haskell, Scala, F#.
user1182183
@doug65536 hm ok fixed : x
00:22
@DeadMG The insurgents.
@sehe See whether you feel the same about this one. I promise I won't keep throwing more and more tracks at you. This is a similar group but not the same.
@GamErix Sounds like the kind of thing you probably should ask your teacher.
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't tell you how bad my IT teacher is.. right?
Oh, riiiiight, that.
00:23
@GamErix rainbow tables are what you are implying in your question?
@Non-StopTimeTravel "Kyrie" - I predict more semi-classical references.
user1182183
@doug65536 some rainbow table test could also be done, but it would be nice if I can fit it onto ~10-20 A4 pages XD
@sehe Yeah, it's definitely Westo-Japanese musical porn.
user1182183
my project is already 40 pages long, what the heck, let's torture the teacher and add another 60.
@GamErix What is your question, and why are you asking it?
user142019
How can Community do that.
... wtf? i came here, today, to get my code fixed and i specifically asked if there were any alternatives. — Dumbledore 1 min ago
user1182183
@Non-StopTimeTravel I want a program on which I can do an experiment and see results from and create a conclusion about the results like, if we do x, we get y, and we can show z, so my hipothesis was right/faulty, because...
@Zoidberg Why wouldn't it?
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Q: Order of revisions in revision history incorrect, when edit was Improved

Lightness Races in OrbitIt looks like revisions 3 and 2 in this answer's revision history are switched. From discussing the apparent anomaly with @Rapptz (the author of one of the edits), he confirms that his edit was an "Improve" from the suggestion of @Anusha. The revisions have identical seconds-resolution timestamp...

user142019
00:26
Because it's a bot?
i.e. it didn't.
user142019
And bots are dumb!1 :D
user142019
The review history suggests that the edit was suggested by an anonymous used, and that its approved variety gains "Community"'s name. That's news to me.
00:27
@Zoidberg It runs all kinds of automated and non-automated tasks. It also takes ownership of some orphan stuffs.
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes ohh I see.
@Zoidberg Also, that's lifeformism.
user1182183
@Non-StopTimeTravel and then I can add the information I process to my project and it will be finally complete, just lacking that one piece : X
00:29
@Non-StopTimeTravel Yeah. Well. More palatable. More balanced. A bit meh on the band. (Keyboardist, srsly?). Also the vocals devolve into, what, Era/Amadeus. A bit more Jenkins than the other. I think the first was more authentic. Allthough I'd choose the second if I had to listen for a significant amount of time.
@AndreiTita ouch
@Zoidberg They have had more automated mass edits like this (after the kernel.org debacle, git manpage links were mass-edited e.g.)
user142019
Ah I see.
anyone hear of Scala and Clojure
Is it a huge pain in the ass to subclass a template in c++11 or am I doing something wrong?
the symbols in the base class don't come into scope by default, right? the base class scope is not searched by default when resolving tokens
@Dumbledore: Stack Overflow is not a place where you go "to get [your] code fixed". We are not a free crowdsourcing application for recruiting engineers to debug your code for you. Stack Overflow is a website for asking and answering questions about programming languages and tools. Good day. — Non-Stop Time Travel 6 mins ago
^ trying to make Tim happy again?
I'm seeing some really nice comments to new users that aren't quite 'getting it' on #stackoverflow. This makes me happy.
@RolandSams No. The acoustics properties of these languages pretty much preclude that.
@doug65536 That's right. And also has always been the same. Not in MSVC, obviously
@sehe that's ok it's a JVM thing
00:33
is there a way to "mass" pull in the base class scope?
or should I re-typedef repeatedly
@doug65536 Is the class you are writing a template itself?
@RolandSams You know. I know that. I was just mocking your... silly question a bit
@R.MartinhoFernandes usually
If the base class is also a template with an uninstantiated template parameter there are no known members to pull into scope.
@doug65536 The point is, specializations of the class might not have the same base class. And the base class might be specialized to be empty in certain cases.
00:35
I have to pull an all nighter to get me out of this tail spin Oracle has left me in. Considering getting a WoW account and waiting this new update out. Again room sorry for the java comment
template <typename T>
struct base { int x; };

template <typename T>
class derived : base<T> {
    // what should be in scope here? x? y? something else?
};

template <typename T>
struct base<T*> { int y; };
This is rather well explained in "C++ Templates: The Complete Guide" (see the Definitive C++ Book List)
hmm maybe I should visit the book list insted
@R.MartinhoFernandes if the T is a pointer then y, if T is not a pointer then x. am I missing something?
@doug65536 How do you know if T is a pointer?
Try replace my comment with sane code that uses x or y.
00:37
when it's instantiating the template for given template arguments, it knows
@RolandSams It was not that. I triggered on "has anyone heard of .... <xxx>" - these questions are invariably moot. Like "Does anyone know how to..." or "Has anyone ever used ..."
@doug65536 That's too late. It must know during the first lookup phase, i.e. upon first parsing the template.
@sehe I thought I could get a recommendation
@RolandSams I don't say you can't. For me, they both appear to be nice. I'd recommend scala if you must choose. But that's just me
so msvc is doing it really late? msvc seemed to do it completely lazily.
00:40
Yes, MSVC does not implement two-phase lookup.
@sehe ok I was looking at scala myself
you could even put near gibberish code in unreferenced template methods
@doug65536 MSVC is doing it wrong. And way too greedily
@GamErix So, what, you want us to do it for you?
ha, caught myself referring to msvc in the past tense
00:41
@sehe That'll do then.
@RolandSams What I remember seeing is Clojure is more like Yet Another Lisp Clone and Scala has the nicest meta-programming facilities. More in the direction of Haskell and MLs (?)
@Non-StopTimeTravel See the tweet below that
@sehe ty for the suggestion
00:42
Never seen that before. He's not notable, so I don't give a fuck what he tweets. Does that answer the question?
He's just a mod on SO.
:7439698 It was tweeted today :)
user142019
Mnesia seems cool.
user142019
And now: time to waste some time sleep.
Oh, wait, he's on my team, isn't he? Assuming his "nice comments" was sarcy?
00:43
@Zoidberg I hate sleeping myself
lol "on my team"
@RolandSams Good news: to sleep is an intransitive verb! (Hence, you cannot sleep yourself)
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Q: Extract Whitespace in addition to text from input file, C++?

user1362548I have to write a function that will read input from a file. The file is set up: one character, space, word, space, throughout the file, like such: A spade 1 spade 2 spade... etc I need to extract the whitespace following the one character and NOT the whitespace following the word. How can I g...

This is a disappointingly fair question from a new user.
I can't find a reason to {down,close}-vote it. :(
;)
@Non-StopTimeTravel No. He's a mod. And he likes when people 'bash' politely
@sehe Oh. Then I stick by my original reaction ;)
For what it's worth I do tend to be fairly passive in my bashing, even if I don't say "please" and ":)" and "xxxxx <3" and "have a great dayyyyy!!!!" every other sentence
00:45
"xxxxx <3" sounds awesome.
sounds like a deformed porno
What are the exes for?
hugs of course.
they never told you xoxo is hugs and kisses?
00:46
No.
I don't speak... that.
must be a 90s thing.
Hugs and kisses or xoxo is a term used for expressing love, affection or good friendship at the end of a written letter, email or SMS text message. The common custom of placing X's on envelopes, notes and at the bottom of letters to mean kisses dates back to the Middle Ages, when a Christian cross was drawn on documents or letters to mean sincerity, faith, and honesty. A kiss was then placed upon the cross, by the signer as a display of their sworn oath. It was also used in early Christian history as much of a display of the same. Since most of the common people could not read or write, t...
so X is kisses.. what the hell man.
Sleep time. Good night.
Night.
@Rapptz no, kisses.
Do you ever scroll down or do you do this to mess with me :(
00:49
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, you look down on global text-speak, but it's okay to give yourself the title "Robot" and accordingly emplace "R." in front of your name in serious communities?!!!?!??!?!?!?!
@Rapptz You scared him away
@Rapptz Mehehe
@sehe It's okay, I got scared myself.
this guy added the tag lol
@Rapptz Which guy?
Why 'lol'? It makes perfect sense, admit it. It's just us that have been deformed by too much experience
00:51
I rolled back the edit.
@Non-StopTimeTravel that guy
Yehova?
00:52
@Non-StopTimeTravel Also worsened the situtation by adding a somewhat more typical clueless comment
@Rapptz wut
@Non-StopTimeTravel Where did you get that I look down on it? I said I didn't speak it, whatever it was.
@sehe Powerpuff Girls.. HIM.
@R.MartinhoFernandes One may only have never heard of "xoxoxo" in the context of text-speak if one has actively avoided the whole thing out of a sense of moral superiority!
It's an older cartoon, so I'm not surprised you don't know it.
Mais, bein sur!
@Rapptz No difference, really. I'm so old, I'm immune to cartoons
I'm sad. My perfect simple, short Spirit answer isn't getting any attention
00:55
@Non-StopTimeTravel I never used my phone for texting much. Me and most of my friends prefer to talk.
xoxoxo is way old.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Irrelevant. I've never written "xoxoxo" in my life! Er, until now.
It was before texting was even popular.
00:56
@Non-StopTimeTravel No one ever texted it to me!
(FWIW, I have seen different abbreviations used for that effect in Portuguese)
helloooo
I don't think people text xoxo anymore.
@Rapptz Why?
@Crowz oh, shit.
:(
bcuz ppl txt lik dis
00:58
Texting. Psh. Casuals
and I guess now the term is so old that no one even knows it so they made up their own abbreviation for it.
Something stupid that probably has no vowels.

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