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8:00 PM
What is another word for Text ?
 
words
 
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text noun
1 a text which explores pain and grief: written work, book, work, printed work, narrative.
2 the pictures are clear and relate well to the text: words, wording; subject matter, content, contents, body, main body, main matter.
3 he sent all enquirers the text of Sir Derek's speech: transcript, script.
4 academic texts: textbook, book; set book, set text.
5 the text is taken from the First Book of Samuel: passage, extract, quotation, verse, line; reading, lesson.
6 he took as his text the fact that Australia is a paradise: theme, subject, topic, issue, point, motif; thesis, argument.
 
@KonradRudolph Hi!
 
Roflmao
WritingReader
Sounds good.
 
user142019
It reads writings.
 
8:03 PM
And its friend, ReadingWriter.
 
user142019
It writes readings.
 
TextReader, StringReader... man, .Net is taking all the good and obvious names. :c
 
text_stream
 
You'll never underscore me. Neeveerrr!
TextStreamReader <-- I think that can do the job.
Longer than I want it to be but... simple enough to work I suppose.
My next option was going to be Textual Reader ._.
 
8:11 PM
Hola
 
Buenos Dias.
 
user142019
Goedenavond.
 
Can you tell I'm on YT again?
 
user142019
You're on YT again.
 
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@sehe Apparently.
 
8:14 PM
@ThePhD StreamReader
 
@sehe Taken, unfortunately. :c
 
why answer?
@ThePhD wazzamapoint
 
Oh.
.... Woooooosh ~, the joke and my head's relationship.
 
Ell
I'm writing a lexer wooo
 
user142019
8:17 PM
Wow.
 
I just noticed in GCC I can't store streams in vectors, because it thinks streams have throwing move constructors. Is that per spec, or a bug in the implementation's library? stacked-crooked.com/view?id=fe2e6adf75767da762820d396cebfcfc
 
@sehe A pedafile?
Is that some kind of file?
 
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@Ell Must be tough.
 
@MooingDuck look it up?
 
8:18 PM
@EtiennedeMartel No, it's somebody who really appreciates a nice bike pedal.
 
@JerryCoffin Aaah.
 
@ThePhD In other words: it returns non-zero /cc @doug65536
 
@ThePhD oh! nonzero exit code. thanks, an ideone thing
 
actually, a POSIX thing
 
@doug65536 An every single program since the Linux dawn of time thing.
 
8:19 PM
for a sec I was thinking it was a terminate() call
 
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Q: (C/C++) return EXIT_SUCCESS or 0 from main?

XploitIt's a simple question, but I keep seeing conflicting answers. Should the main routine of a C++ program return 0 or EXIT_SUCCESS? #include <cstdlib> int main(){return EXIT_SUCCESS;} or int main(){return 0;} Are they the exact same thing? Should EXIT_SUCCESS only be used with exit()? ...

 
@JerryCoffin Also, fun fact: the French word for pedal, "pédale", can also be used as an insult to designate an homosexual male.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg Don't be mean, it's my first time I'm getting anywhere. And it took me like 5 minutes yet my previous attempts took days and got me nowhere >.<
 
@doug65536 even Windows does that
 
Even Windows programs interpret 0 as success.
 
8:19 PM
yes I know what exit codes mean, thanks
 
DO YOU REALLY?!
 
@ThePhD However, that doesn't explain the reach. After all, linux is relatively recent
 
@doug65536 then why did you call it an ideone thing?
 
I think we need to link you more question answers. :D
 
it's calling it a "runtime error"
 
8:19 PM
@sehe True.
 
@doug65536 I meant the semantics of it, which is not "an ideone thing" :)
 
@doug65536 oh, then yes
 
@doug65536 Because it's a non zero return code.
 
out of context I'd say a terminate() call or some kind of fatal exit by the CRT
 
@doug65536 because you happened to get a return code that means runtime error
 
8:20 PM
@doug65536 The first time I saw it baffled me too
 
Yeah it can be surprising
 
oh! It's the freaking rule-of-zero screwing things up again!
 
But it is doing its job
 
GAH!
I am again anti-rule-of-zero!
 
@MooingDuck Impossibru.
 
user142019
:D
 
hi
 
@EtiennedeMartel cant put rule-of-zero move-only types in containers because the containers assume they have throwing move operations.
 
@ThePhD The Linux dawn of time is still happening (and the Linux dawn of reason has yet to be imagined). Just FWIW, VMS interpeted odd return values as "success" and even as "failed" (e.g., return 0; normally actually returned 1).
 
@Zoidberg I can see how you'r preoccupied with this now
 
8:21 PM
I'm going through porting over a lot of C++ templates written in MSVC, now moving to gcc since I'm tired of all the "upgrade to next VS to get all the bugs fixed" crap
 
@Rapptz 20 minutes... hm. Let's stick with inches
 
having to mess around with stuff in ideone etc to isolate the issue
 
20 inches of what‽
 
@doug65536 It's hardly any different. Just a modicum of c++11 more
@Rapptz pure love (see here)
 
@sehe it's drastically different. scope rules of template bases are completely toast in C++11. msvc allowed a lot of illegal stuff
 
8:23 PM
@JerryCoffin Ooh, I never knew that. :O
That's actually a nice system.
 
@StackedCrooked I miss you too!
 
@doug65536 I know that. It'll probably never be fixed in MSVC
 
user142019
@sehe lol
 
@sehe I think 20 inches is too much for me to handle.
 
user142019
8:23 PM
@Rapptz 20 inches of cock.
 
@ThePhD VMS definitely had some good points (the VCS integrated into the file system being only one of the most obvious). OTOH, it definitely had some serious weak points to go with.
 
@sehe "Would break too much client code", they said.
 
@Zoidberg I think that's quite tall for a cock.
 
@Zoidberg A 20 inch I don't think chickens can get that high.
 
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8:25 PM
@Rapptz lol
 
@ThePhD Not really. It would break too much compiler code, methinks
 
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That's about half a meter.
 
@EtiennedeMartel hens, FWIW
 
@Zoidberg Why does everybody keep wanking over Steve Jobs's lack of early credentials? For every Steve Jobs there are fifty million unemployed, under-qualified clever people.
 
@Zoidberg So, I wasn't actually exaggerating too much
 
8:25 PM
@Non-StopTimeTravel What do you mean? o_O
 
I abused base classes as a scope for subclasses. now Im screwed since you have to "using" it in when base is template (and even that doesn't necessarily work, sometimes I just re-typedef it in the subclass to make it work
 
@JerryCoffin Built-in Version Control sounds hard if you don't have a lot of space. Then again, deltas are cheap... Text deltas, anyway.
 
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@Non-StopTimeTravel I don't know nor care.
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel Because they think it will legitimize their slacking?
 
@ThePhD The appeal to celebrity fails to hold up to any practical scrutiny.
It's almost like saying "if I don't go to school, I will become the founder of a mega-popular consumer business."
 
8:26 PM
@Non-StopTimeTravel For every Steve Jobs there are 50 people who've honestly contributed something to society, even if only by flipping burgers or picking up garbage.
 
@Zoidberg take note.
 
@doug65536 Abusing stuff is bad.
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel And a similarly impressive number of over-qualified, un(der)-employed people of varying intellectual capacity to boot
 
@JerryCoffin :) Also very true.
@sehe And that
 
@JerryCoffin Are you implying Jobs did not honestly contribute to society?
 
8:27 PM
Garbage-man is a very important job.
 
@JerryCoffin Notice I deliberately chose "celebrity" rather than "authority"
 
@JerryCoffin I don't know why people look down on burgerflippers, grocerybaggers, or garbage collectors.
 
@EtiennedeMartel He's implying that Steve Jobs is what statisticians call an outlier
 
They're the ones that provide the maximum convenience that keep things running for everyone else.
 
@ThePhD They only help a few thousand people at a time!
 
Ell
8:28 PM
@Zoidberg Don't be mean, it's my first time I'm getting anywhere. And it took me like 5 minutes yet my previous attempts took days and got me nowhere >.<
 
Individual contributions in that field are small
Even though the cumulative effect is fucking critical to our infrastructure
 
If suddenly every grocery bagger disappeared, people would have fucking heart attacks.
 
@sehe Aaaaaaaaaaah
 
@ThePhD Aha! We're not talking about "every grocery bagger", but each one individually.
 
Hi All
 
8:29 PM
@EtiennedeMartel He got lucky, mostly. Same as Zuckerberg. These men are not "seers" or "wizards" or "sages", with magical foresight or the ability to see the future, or to invent what others can not.
 
@ThePhD I don't look down on anyone. You shouldn't either, buddy.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes -- I'm saying he got rich almost entirely by stealing from the real founder of Apple (Steve Wozniak) and then stabbing him in the back. The pattern of stealing and taking the credit for others' work continued almost until he died entirely by being an arrogant ass who decided to not get cancer treated because he wouldn't believe it could possible hurt him.
 
They simply got there first or, in many cases actually, simply got a chain reaction of trading going first on technology that already existed.
 
I bag my own groceries, though having one used a Mac, I wear latex gloves when bagging some kinds of fruit.
 
And I'll use this argument again: for every popular invention that somebody "had the vision to predict would become famous worldwide", there are 20,000 inventions created under the exact same conditions that simply never took off or were never marketed.
It continues to frustrate me, quite a lot actually, that outside of the technical world the general population will never understand this. So, Jobs & Gates remain mega-geniuses who "changed the world of computing" on purpose, whereas the real engineers nobody ever hears about. Everybody loves a single celebrity face.
 
8:31 PM
@Non-StopTimeTravel *and many someones thought they would become famous
 
user142019
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It's not much different, though, from the way that someone like President Obama is the face of the US government and all its policies and decisions and laws and ideas.... despite being simply the leader of many, many people doing those jobs.
Unavoidable in big society.
I just wish the general populace would occasionally remember that figureheads are figureheads
 
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Q: How to get available registers of processor in asm or c/c++?

ResidentSo, My question is the processor available registers. How to get? How to try it? I use g++ in windows. /** Returns the registers in string array. * Example: array[0] = "ax"; array[1] ="bx"; etc... **/ string[] getRegisters() { asm { //how? ...

close?
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel Reminds me of when Ritchie died and nobody gave a fuck.
 
@TonyTheLion Need to ask which language he's using first!
@EtiennedeMartel Precisely.
 
8:33 PM
@Non-StopTimeTravel lol
 
I gave a fuck :(
 
@Rapptz Because you are a programmer.
But the mainstream didn't.
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel C++
 
@Rapptz Do you really not look down at anyone?!
DO YOU REALLY?!
 
two upvotes :(
 
8:34 PM
I actually told people about Ritchie when he passed -- because it felt really wrong that it was overshadowed by Steve Job's death.
 
@MooingDuck It is tagged and and has "C/C++" in the title. This is @LightningRacesInOrbit-bait.
 
@EtiennedeMartel What?
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel he's also using G++ and using std::string
 
To be That Guy, I don't know who Ritchie is.
 
@sehe It's an "aaaah" of understanding.
 
8:34 PM
@ThePhD Dennis
 
@MooingDuck Could be typos for GCC and some C construct.
 
Dennis MacAlistair Ritchie (born September 9, 1941; found dead October 12, 2011) was an American computer scientist who "helped shape the digital era." He created the C programming language and, with long-time colleague Ken Thompson, the Unix operating system. Ritchie and Thompson received the Turing Award from the ACM in 1983, the Hamming Medal from the IEEE in 1990 and the National Medal of Technology from President Clinton in 1999. Ritchie was the head of Lucent Technologies System Software Research Department when he retired in 2007. He was the 'R' in K&R C and commonly kn...
 
@ThePhD The R in K&R.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I thought it was an expression of agony
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel G++ would be quite the typo
 
8:35 PM
@MooingDuck The point is that I want him to realise that he's not using C, and then learn not to incorrectly tag his posts.
 
@Rapptz Misleading onebox pic
 
@MooingDuck Oh, never mind std::string as a C construct? lol ;p
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel technically it's just string, which could be a C construct...
 
OOH, these guys.
K&R.
 
Woa, Kernighan was Canadian? Ohoohohoh.
 
8:35 PM
Yup
 
Oh, from Toronto. Nevermind then.
 
@MooingDuck It wasn't even std::string? Bah, you misled me! I officially un-slightly-start-to-agree-with-you
 
@ThePhD Yes, I really do not think of myself as a superior because of my job or social status.
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel wait wtf, he's returning string[] :( That's not C nor C++.
 
8:36 PM
@Rapptz We'll see about that. WE'LL SEEE.
 
@ThePhD I look down on people all the time. Given my height, in a lot of cases my only choices are look down or look over their head...
 
@ThePhD They didn't die together, though. Which is why at his death he was mainly referred to as (Dennis) Ritchie, instead of K&R :)
 
I've found myself genuinely imbuing a property of intelligence-based superiority on people in my mind. It bothered me at first but I've come to realise that it's perfectly reasonable. The 20th century created a society where you can't die just by being stupid, really, so the average IQ has gone down.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hey that actually made me sad.
 
8:37 PM
What a great guy. D:
 
Anti-elitism is everywhere and it's actually no less dangerous than elitism itself.
 
Why did he have to die?
Why didn't we offer up Ballmer's soul in his place?
 
@ThePhD Jobs had him killed
@MooingDuck Welcome back.
 
@ThePhD So, he died a few months after Jobs. The irony was lost on most people.
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel I knew it! The scumbag.
 
8:38 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Not even a month -- 6 days after.
 
Woa.
My memory was faulty there.
I was sure it was longer than that.
 
@FredOverflow that is actually
 
So, it's even more ironic.
 
When Mother Teresa died, she got a tiny rectangle on page 5, because Princess Diana (who'd been dead for a good few weeks by this point, IIRC) was still taking up all of the first four pages. Same deal.
 
Or sadly ironic.
 
8:39 PM
fairly nice. Why isn't it on SO
(lol)
 
Yeah Ritchie's death was completely overshadowed by Steve Job's death. Quite sad really.
 
@FredOverflow Oh, that is good.
 
Everything Ritchie did was overshadowed by Jobs.
 
Repeat that often enough and...
Of course, if Jobs had died a year before (or after) Dennis would have gotten about the same press exposure
 
I was going to make a pun with books and sand
but I failed.
 
user142019
8:40 PM
@Pubby Dennis had a job and Steve was rich?
 
I'm going to check the licence rules on that site, because I think we should have that Q&A on SO to get the analogy.
 
@Rapptz More importantly, his life was largely overshadowed by people who contributed far less, and simply made more money (much of it at least somewhat dishonestly).
 
Am I misremembering? I believe SO ran "respect"/"dedication" (?) banner for Ritchie. But may it was for Jobs. In that case, point taken (/cc @Rapptz)
 
Looks like it'd take a bit of work to SO-ize it, though.
 
@sehe I think it was Jobs.
 
8:41 PM
@sehe Searched on meta, it was for Steve Jobs.
 
@bamboon Oooo. Marketing slaves then
 
182
Q: Dennis Ritchie goes into the night without a quote on Stack Overflow?

tzupAlas, Dennis Ritchie is no longer with us. But I don't see a Dennis Ritchie quote on Stack Overflow. Why is this so? I think he deserves it. Out of 100 programmers (Stack Overflow's audience last time I checked), I expect all of them to know. Not a rant, just an opinion. EDIT In any case, ...

 
@sehe If memory serves, they ran one for Jobs, then came up with a rather lame "well, we can't do that all the time" explanation for not running one for Dennis.
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel We already have the hotel room analogy by Eric Lippert, although that deals with stack memory instead of heap memory.
 
@JerryCoffin Lack of foresight on the Jobs banner. I concur, though. The same "excuse" should have been applied in the case of the Jobs banner (don't do it)
 
8:43 PM
@FredOverflow Yep.
 
@FredOverflow Yup. I was reminded of that. And the free hand stars by the Robot
 
> This site is currently in read-only mode: We are performing a test of our New York data center, we will return to full site functionality soon.
FFS how come nobody can speak proper goddamn English
 
user142019
Email clients y u all suck.
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel Untrue. Nobody can write on the internet without casual cursing.
 
user142019
Is there a decent command-line e-mail client?
 
8:45 PM
@Zoidberg Mine doesn't
@Zoidberg Mutt
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel What?
 
@Zoidberg It's actually terminal, not command line
 
@EtiennedeMartel of => on
 
user142019
@sehe command-line interface :L
 
That's incorrect? Oh.
 
user142019
8:46 PM
> All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less.
 
user142019
lul
 
user142019
kut
 
@Zoidberg What are you looking for? Mutt can deal with any editor or stdin if you want. But there is standard mail(1) and bsdmail too
 
@EtiennedeMartel Comma abuse.
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel First, because they're usually typing, not speaking. Second, because they want a chance to laugh at people complaining about punctuation, while screwing up their own punctuation.
 
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8:47 PM
@sehe So I can use it with Vim right? Aight.
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel Really? You get worked up over a comma?
 
Two phrases separated by a comma, rather than a period, semicolon, colon or conjunction.
It makes my skin crawl.
 
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Will try it.
 
@Zoidberg That's highly common, I believe
 
8:47 PM
@sehe He's like an English Grammar Nazi.
 
@sehe I can't help it.
It annoys me that there are people out there who think that it is okay!
 
user142019
Installed Mutt.
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel And several other, more visible, symptoms, such as: public ranting, cursing, high blood pressure, peer disconnect, etc.
 
@sehe Correct
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel You can't help the "skin crawl". You can help how you deal with it. Nobody else can.
 
8:49 PM
@sehe Sure, I could choose not to say anything here about it
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel There are people who don't notice. For many reasons. I think it's fairly understandable.
 
@sehe I could lock myself in a room forever, too. Ultimately, that's not healthy. Let your feelings out! Express yourself!
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel Do't repress yourself. That's an old tune :)
 
@sehe It's no less true just because it wasn't invented just yesterday
The "appeal against age" argument annoys me too!
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel Huh? I sense much antagonism.
 
8:50 PM
The worst argument ever is "this is 2013, not 1950".
 
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Q: In what way did Dennis Ritchie influence you?

Joel SpolskyHow did the work of Dennis Ritchie (1941-2011) influence you as a programmer? Of course, there are the obvious things (C, Unix). For me, the biggest thing (other than coding in C, on Unix, for years) was the writing style in The C Programming Language ("K&R"), which was remarkably terse and y...

 
@sehe We all have dislikes.
 
^ When fishing around, found an answer by Jerry Coffin.
 
I just observed that the song is old. It didn't even occur to me you consciously referred to that song.
 
Legendary. :D
 
8:51 PM
@sehe I didn't!
@sehe Sorry, thought you were using another meaning of "that's an old tune"
@sehe Didn't even know it was an actual tune.
 
@ThePhD My big win at FGITW! :-)
 
It always blows my mind that in this chat alone there are like, legendary people.
FredOverflow, JerryCoffin, sehe, sbi, the mother freakin' Robot ... So much to catch up tooo. Dx
 
:(
Thanks, dude!
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel Sorry, I'm not familiar with your answers/work so I don't know if I can judge you as legendary. Dx
 
You're not legendary Tomalak.
 
8:54 PM
I have seen your edits all over the place, though. :O
 
@ThePhD I should stop changing my damn avatar
@ThePhD :D
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel ...and name.
 
@JerryCoffin Sure
Actually I'm going to revert it later by one step; this most recent change was only for a change of scenery
So I'm stating now for the record that when I do it it's not because ThePhD didn't call me legendary
BBL!
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel Aha. Clarified :)
 
8:57 PM
Back when they were allowed, I guess I (quite unwittingly) became somewhat legendary for using the same tag line for a couple decades or so. Had no idea until somebody pointed out a post (in a newsgroup I'd never read) with a tag line something like "Jerry Coffin changes tag line. World to end soon!"
 
@ThePhD What? Thanks I guess. I'm really just here way too much :\
 
@Rapptz would you be interested in joining an open source project that will never be a success?
 
@JohanLarsson [be a]
 
is it an operating system
 
@JohanLarsson Those are often the nicest.
 
8:58 PM
@sehe ...or perhaps *succeed?
 
@sehe too advanced for me, can't even google it :)
 
@JohanLarsson "will never [be a] success"
 
@JerryCoffin I was aware of that. However, options induce stress.
 
A unit aware calculator
 
Exists.
 
8:59 PM
ty sirs, edited
 
Calculator.
 
@sehe I find that one easy -- passive voice loses.
 

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