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@sehe Dankeshon.
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@johnathon you cannot run C code in ring 0? That's new to me.
@MooingDuck Why would he not want to link his object module because he's making a kernel? He'll just not want the usual cruft for standard libraries and loader image stuff
@sehe he wants to read and learn from the linux source, completely different goal (at the moment)
@johnathon rings "are" not a language
@MooingDuck ?! that's not what I got. Once again, I'm amazed at how certain you are about your interpretation
user142019
Kernel y u no main.c. xD
00:02
You may be right, looking at it again /cc @MooingDuck
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Time to download the kernel so I can search through it.
@sehe ...
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Whoop, time to clone a 2 GB Git repo.
@Zoidberg'-- shallow (--depth 1)
@sehe usually, if you (or others here) challenge me on an idea, I rethink it, but this time I was pretty sure you were wrong :P
00:03
@MooingDuck :) fair enough
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@sehe just in time.
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That will only download HEAD, right?
@Zoidberg'-- theres no entry point, @shehe i know this, you can groupe the code together as c calls, but the body really is assembly, untill you get a virtual memory table setup.....which is required for ring 3, and then you can load other code with entry points into virtual address space ...ect.... your question really, if you want to know the answer to, start looking at the bootloader source code. not necessarily the kernel
@Zoidberg'-- yeah, depth 1 might be a bit ... limiting
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@sehe no it's enough.
user142019
00:04
For other versions I can look at GitHub.
@Zoidberg'-- get a tarball instead, maybe
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Muh it's already at 30%.
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600 KiB/s :^(
@Zoidberg'-- slow! Are you on starbucks or mc-donalds free wifi?
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@sehe at home.
user142019
00:05
Stupid Schijf. xD
Say that again
@sehe I get less than half of that at home.
user142019
No glasvezel.
I haven't been able to find a C language chat room, do you guys cover questions for C as well?
user142019
00:06
What are you writing?
Vapourware.
we often don't cover questions for C++ anyway
No fiber optics here either. But I have xs4all and get 20Mb, although it was supposed to get increased to 40Mb sometime soon
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@FrancisBailey we don't cover questions at all.
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Unless they are not about programming.
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@sehe verie nijs.
00:07
@Zoidberg'-- And not about your mom
ha, fair enough is there a C programming chat or should I just head over to an irc channel?
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@Zoidberg'-- I thought for a second you were mentioning another girl I might know
@FrancisBailey If you have a question about C, ask it on stack overflow and add the tag.
@FrancisBailey what do you want to know?
00:08
@FrancisBailey It's extremely dead. Why don't you try, say, using the question and answer site you're on to ask a question?
Did some hunting. turns out c++ tag under primary Unanswered is indeed broken
user142019
@sehe you're cheating? I'm telling!
@johnathon I believe he was asking that already
@Zoidberg'-- Huh. I think someone mentions a girl, and you conclude I'm cheating? I'm not following.
it's all good was looking for a quick explanation here but I'll try the obvious
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@sehe I was making a joke.
00:09
@sehe was just wondering if he wanted to know where to go to find learning material, or if he had a simple question about some convention dealing with c, or if he had broken code
@Zoidberg'-- Of course I don't cheat. Too busy chatting with you guys. Besides, I'd always be committing adultery. More class
@johnathon You are forgetting the possibility he might have had an unbroken union
@FrancisBailey Try us.
@sehe lmfao
@sehe if he's that new to c/c++ , he should not be using unions to begin with :))
@johnathon Zing!
@johnathon We Loungers deny the existence of something called "C/C++".
Hokay.
I've fixed up everything and I got my encodings all tidied up.
I'm now ready to rumble.
@EtiennedeMartel A it's probably fake or mistranslated. So much of the stuff he said has been twisted and/or overinterpreted.
@EtiennedeMartel LOL people have too much time, to few brains, or too much fun
I'm gonna reward myself with some NS2, and then hit the Drawing Board. Literally!
@Borgleader My guess? The guy who made this isn't serious.
00:14
@ThePhD Don't break it, though
i really should dissassemble this laptop and see if i cant fix the fan in it
(sighs)
@EtiennedeMartel That's also a possibility. I'm just burnt on Nostradamus ever since that "documentary" on him on Discovery Channel, it was such a joke.
World cannot end, Fringe hasn't finished yet
Gents. I'm going to hit the sack early. Oh well. Earlier, at least
Night
@sehe g'night
user142019
00:20
Once again, my code is full of TODOs. github.com/daknok/farnsworth
@EtiennedeMartel Nostradamus is famous for accurately predicting the future ... by making the vaguest prophecies possible that could be fulfilled by millions of events.
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel he is possibly even born on the 21st.
user142019
14th or 21st of December.
@DeadMG didn't he get famous for accurately predicting the future in a few non-vauge ways first? Something to do with the rotations of the planets or something?
@MooingDuck That's called "Gravity" and Newton could do it too.
00:26
@DeadMG I think you missed the point.
user142019
December 23 will be a wonderful day.
@DeadMG I was thinking there was someone who accurately predicted the distances of pluto and neptune even before they were discovered, but can't find anything about it on Nostradamus. I must have been thinking of someone else.
oh, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_of_Neptune appears to be vandalized
Unvandalize it
00:42
@CatPlusPlus [steam] je4d
not that I'll actually be playing any games on there until I get an invite for the linux beta..
Visual Studio 2008 has been "closing" (with 100% of one core) for the last 40 minutes. I'm going to kill it now, and delete the databases and user options files.
@sbi Hehe.
Anybody here knows where to download quality vector brushes for PS?
I personally can't find one where you can just simply search and get a quality find.
01:00
@MarkGarcia didn't like qbrushes.net?
@MooingDuck Haven't tried it yet. Anyway, thanks.
@MarkGarcia it's the first hit in a google search for "quality vector brushes for photoshop"
@MooingDuck It isn't loading in my browser.
@MarkGarcia try the second result
then the third
etc
yep, failed my stats test
01:12
@Crowz :(
4 questions, no partial credit, 33% of grade
user142019
When I get more ram I'm going to store VirtualBox' virtual hard drive in a RAM drive.
01:54
Must be a small drive...
02:12
You could probably fit a snapshot in RAM
Why do Asaris have bodies like humans?!!
@MarkGarcia If they didn't shepard couldn't have a romance path with them
@Borgleader In ME1 I picked the Asari.
Liara <3<3<3
02:17
It really affected ME2's storyline. I played ME1 again.
02:36
Mass Effect is definitely one of my favorite franchises
I have to say though, I like a lot of Bioware's stuff
KotoR is probably my favorite game ever
I like Call of Duty.
I'm not a shooter person
Playing COD after playing cover shooters: killing enemies is a breeze.
You're strategies are limited though.
s/You're/Your
Arghhhh!!!
03:21
What is the size of character pointer and integer pointer? Can anyone please tell me?
We can't tell you it's machine dependant
afaik anyway
i love me
what a coincidence, i <3 myself too
04:11
@DeadMG I told my wife about our win 7/XP debate and she called you a silly goose
@Borgleader: INB4(removed)
05:06
Bones is silly
05:52
@Korhan sizeof(char*) and sizeof(int*)
hi
chat seems dead today
hello friend
hello pubby
06:09
hi folks
@Rapptz In Soviet Russia, Dead (MG) chats you!
lol
At last I'm back in civilization.
user142019
06:29
Mood gorning.
07:01
mornin
Just taken the survey
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@MarkGarcia lol
The actor from Parks and Recreation asked that?
Finally, and I just realized that I have no software to watch Anime on my new laptop.
Mysticial help me do problem 404 on euler :(
07:12
@Rapptz 404 Error
:)
see you are the first to tell me that but that is really all I thought about
maybe that's why I never finished it
it's some polar coordinate problem
Since when did media player classic come with so much bloatware?
My wish for this christmas: Being able to alt-tab to other apps while Windows is installing updates while shutting down.
I don't even remember what combination of codecs were needed to properly render some of the heavier blurays I have.
Time to find out...
Loading VS2012's help viewer makes my mouse pointer freeze.
07:21
Dec 8 at 21:38, by Cheers and hth. - Alf
Visual Studio is so cool that it freezes.
Lol
I wonder what magic it uses.
tubgirl
@Pubby lmao.
@Rapptz Someone posted it in another room
really?
07:36
Yeah
I hope they're desensitized.
08:07
@MarkGarcia sorry, that must have been my entrance gere lowering the ambient temepratures
The first thing I do when a page isn't loading: check my torrents' download speeds.
Set an upload limit
@Zoidberg'-- Moedegorgen
You usually set your upload limit to about 80% of your maximum upload limit.
The speed usually plummets down, and then the internet connection.
08:12
@Mysticial Needs citation
It's just like watching a countdown.
@sehe Personal experience. I've played with a whole range of settings. 80% is about the sweet spot for me.
sbi
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@TonyTheLion By that tiny thing? Oh, c'mon! I'm a 500lb gorilla.
@sehe I know. I unfollowed the guy after looking at this for one week. Idiot.
user142019
Clang y u no compile my code.
sbi
sbi
Because your code is wrong. (That was easy.)
@NolwennLeGuen You need to be nerve-wrecking to get on that list. Being mere silly isn't enough.
08:16
@sbi It usually flies right by me, but I noticed it this time since jalf had sent his idle greetings into vanity space just earlier. (That said, I might bother to unfollow, since I haven't seen the guy tweeting interesting stuff either)
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@sbi :)
@Zoidberg'-- Becaus you feed it Haskell?
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Oh I used the wrong size suffix. Stupid assembly.
sbi
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@Zoidberg'-- Well, looking at the number of buffer overflow bugs, one can but conclude that the robot had it right (this time).
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1 min ago, by Zoidberg'--
@sbi :)
08:18
Why would I be wrong?
sbi
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@MarkGarcia What site is that? Never heard of it.
@Zoidberg'-- Moron.
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@sbi Moron.
sbi
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Not "why?", but "when?" (The answer is: by default.)
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dammit clang y u invalid operand for instruction while my operand is clearly valid
@sbi Hehe.
user142019
08:19
Oh wait maybe I cannot copy directly from memory to CR3.
sbi
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@MarkGarcia This puny machine here does this all the time while it swaps.
What's swapping?
:P
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because you are a moron, obviously
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have multiple valid associations there.
08:20
I all see chrome.exe in the task manager!
@Zoidberg'-- I believe Linux has the splice kernel interface for that since... 2.6.28 or something (quoting from memory)
Wait, CR3? I'm assuming userland
I thought I'd get a badge after finishing the survey.
@MarkGarcia "the survey". Hmm. Also, badges take a while
sbi
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@MarkGarcia There's a scratch in your record. Give the play a bump.
Well, I ain't too particular about credentials.
Still, I wish I pushed my bjarne stroustrup question to get a peer pressure badge.
08:25
Credentials. Whoa. Badges to credentials. Quite a philosophical leap there
I ain't have much. Huhu...
@MarkGarcia Oh, you can surely forge a Tumbleweed badge
user142019
Stupid x86 y I cannot or CR3 directly y u require me to mov to general purpose register first.
@sehe How should I do that? Hmmm...
@MarkGarcia Just ask a really esoteric question that just looks viable enough to not get closed
sbi
sbi
08:28
What do you think this python script does?
_                                      =   (
                                        255,
                                      lambda
                               V       ,B,c
                             :c   and Y(V*V+B,B,  c
                               -1)if(abs(V)<6)else
               (              2+c-4*abs(V)**-0.4)/i
                 )  ;v,      x=1500,1000;C=range(v*x
                  );import  struct;P=struct.pack;M,\
            j  ='<QIIHHHH',open('M.bmp','wb').write
for X in j('BM'+P(M,v*x*3+26,26,12,v,x,1,24))or C:
> high-resolution-mandelbrot-in-obfuscated-python
@sbi Cool.
@sbi in short, I cracked a few nazi jokes, check the bin if you fancy
sbi
sbi
@thecoshman Where they nuts?
It bakes Ölbolle?
sbi
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08:29
@sehe What's "Ölbolle"? Is that how the Danish refer to a bottle of beer?
@sbi I hope not
user142019
@sbi it creates a bitmap image of a snail?
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OILGLOBES <3
sbi
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Well, Björn is pushing for getting work done. I gotta go.
08:30
@sehe dammit... now you're making me hungry.
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@sbi Good luck.
@sehe Arghhhh...
@sbi Have fun
Unlike my dorm, I don't have food lying all over the place at home.
Sorry guys
@Mysticial Your dorm has food lying all over the place at home?
user1182183
08:32
hmm any1 knows some free remote control software to install on my pc? (so I can access my pc via a web browser at school)
@sehe Bad phrasing. I'm at home right now. And unlike my dorm, I don't have food sitting around.
A college student with food?
Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?
He means milk and cereal.
user142019
Yuc cereal.
@Rapptz Not when you have a car.
user1182183
08:33
@Rapptz what's wrong with that xd
> The entire 7200×4800 image is too large to share here, but it’s perfect for making prints. So that’s what I did! Notice the Python script superimposed in the lower-left corner. Is this the first poster to include its own source code?
@Zoidberg'-- oil globes? wut
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@sehe oliebollen
The ultimate form of laziness efficiency is to stockpile a lot of food and eat whenever you feel like it.
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I want my kernel to boot today.
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It's my goal.
08:35
@Zoidberg'-- Get it to sign onto IRC. You can then /boot it
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My destiny.
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@sehe uh xD
@Mysticial But you're not lazy stockpiling the food.
user142019
All I have now is an entry point which immediately quits, and a function that enables paging (which only works on x86).
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kmain should call panic if the Multiboot magic number is incorrect.
user1182183
08:37
@Zoidberg'-- magic numbers, the devils inside any programming..
@Zoidberg'-- "enables paging". Imagining: void* translateAddress(void*, PROCESS const*) { /* TODO implement virtual address translation */ }
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@sehe github.com/daknok/sulfur/blob/master/kernel/arch/x86/paging.c I have not tested it but it should work.
@GamErix Gah. Go away with out-of-context prejudiced blurts :)
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@sehe virtual address translation has nothing to do with enabling paging. :P
@sehe No, he only means turning paging on, not really having paging implemented.
08:38
paging!
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Not to be confused with pagination, which is much harder to implement.
@MarkGarcia It's a laziness investment
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fuck I committed code that doesn't compile. xD
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh. is paging the PAE thing on-chop these days? I lost track of all CPU modes since i486
@Neil Exactly. :) Drive to the grocery store. Stockpile on food. Dump it all in my room. And then I don't have to brave the cold every night to find food.
08:40
@Zoidberg'-- You mean in jQuery ;D
@Neil Still, get the average of the efforts, it's not that efficient.
user142019
@sehe CPU does most of the work. You need to enable it and tell it where to find the page tables. Swap is of course your own responsibility, as well as filling the page directory and page tables.
@Zoidberg'-- You mean: banning swap is, of course, your responsibility
@Zoidberg'-- Neat
@MarkGarcia Actually it is. If I'd waste a lot more time and effort if I had to go out to eat every night.
user142019
Banning swap? Why would you want that?
08:41
Not to mention the town sucks and nothing is open at 5AM.
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@Mysticial order online.
user1182183
@sehe everyone still wonders how the DOOM engine got it's magic sqrt number while experts did calculations and came out on other numbers, and yet, that doom magic number was better :p
user1182183
Black magic.
@Mysticial But you could just have an efficient route to get food.
Nor would I'd want to go outside at 5AM - not only is is cold as balls, but we get armed robberies every few days.
user142019
08:42
@Mysticial A route in your daily routine.
user1182183
@MarkGarcia folow node to stairs, follow node to downstairs, follow node to dinner room, follow node to kitchen
@Mysticial My balls aren't cold. And I'm a polar bear...
@GamErix I really wish life can be random-accessed.
@MarkGarcia That's not the point. It takes time to go out and wait in line at the restaurants. So when I have stuff to do, it's better to just stay inside and eat and work at the same time.
08:44
@GamErix 'following nodes'. Right. Wouldn't that be... you know, like vertices? Or better yet, the edges
It's like 10 min. walk to get anywhere to food. Likewise it's also 10 min. to the parking garage where I park.
@MarkGarcia Suppose you wanted to stockpile on pizzas. You could order it whenever you need to, but it'd be more efficient to order 50 pizzas all at once
You could always order!
Maybe that'd be a little gross to eat old pizza, but it saves you from ordering more than once, hence definitely more efficient
user1182183
@MarkGarcia while(NotInKitchen(me)){ GoToVertice(FindClosestVertice(me)); } while(!NeedToShit(me)){} GoToShitter(me);
08:45
Let someone do most of the effort.
@Mysticial Don't park. Make it a drive-in
@MarkGarcia Think like an engineer man! Let someone do all of the effort possible by another!
@sehe wut?
user1182183
like you guys always say: no bugs, just random features a program develops. :p
@GamErix GoToVertice(FindClosestVertice(me)); Great. Now I'm constantly running between bed and PC.
08:46
@Neil Mmm.
user1182183
@Zeta ye :D
@GamErix 'Oh my. The singular of vertices would normally be recognized as vertex
@Zeta You run?!!
@sehe Oh, I mean 10 min. walk from my dorm to the parking garage.
@Mysticial Save time on the parking
08:46
So if I want to drive anywhere, I need to walk to the parking garage.
user1182183
@sehe FindRouteToKitchen(ClosestWhatever(me));
@MarkGarcia Run, walk, stroll, sprint... It's all just a little scalar value walkEffort.
So I wouldn't run... I would walk backwards.
@Zeta sprint is depecrated. Use snprint instead. Also, stroll isn't POSIX
@Zeta Scalar doesn't have precise directions.
Plan out your day, decide all the places around your house that you have to be and minimize the number of times you need to be there by doing all your business there
08:48
walk is probably an extension on ftw?
Forward. Backward.
Need to go to the bathroom? Need water to boil? Bathroom can provide both!
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@sehe don't use either of them. FTFY and FTFH.
@MarkGarcia: It's just the velocities norm, not the general direction.
@Zoidberg'-- Zrzly
08:49
@Zeta That's why there's traffic. Roads are scalar.
You know, direction and velocitude are othodontist concepts
Like currentPosition + walkingDirection * walkingEffort = newPosition (assumed I'm floating in a vacuum without fraction).
@MarkGarcia aaaaaarrrg my eyes
@sehe Heeheee.
Wait, I'm floating in vacuum! I'm either dead or invincible!
user142019
08:50
Roads are zero-dimensional arrays.
@Zeta But you didn't break any bones. Yet. Until you return, at least.
@Zeta If only flying were that easy
@sbi no, but the reaction was, imo
@Neil Jumping is flying.
@Neil Well, at least pathfinding/routing is usually a lot less complicated when flying...
08:51
@MarkGarcia According to Douglas Adams, flying is the art of throwing oneself to the ground and missing.
@Neil And so, airplanes have poor aim.
@MarkGarcia Depends on the religion of the pilots (SCNR)
@CatPlusPlus ಠ_ಠ
@sehe It is with positions far apart. If you have positions inches within each other, the problem because extraordinarily difficult with a plane
@Zeta I need to learn Python
08:53
@Neil Really? Handbrake off, Handbrake on. Done (oh, full flaps for extra style)
@Neil start with that line
@Neil Or sample the full contents of the medicine cabinet
@sehe I beg to differ
@Neil: Or sample everything in the medicine cabinet. *edit*: Damn, sehe! Y U SO FAST?
@sehe That does sound easier
08:54
Oh, my net connection's gone.
@Zeta Jinx
@Neil I choose not to
@Zeta Sorry. I'll get to the office. Let you guys have a turn :)
Too late, need to grab a shower and run to the lecture. Floating. In a vacuum. To the next node on my way.
I wonder if we're ever going to have vacuum tube transportation
user142019
Is the procedure to enable paging in long mode the same as in x86? If so, must the page directory be addressable using a 32-bit address?
08:57
I think that would be an efficient means of travel, but only if there was one start and one end
@sbi you really have issues with him don't you?
God isn't available right now.
Next stop: Intel documentation

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