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8:00 PM
Is everything okay in here?
 
Oh for.
 
@NikiC nope, we're trying to get curiousguy out
 
sbi
@curiousguy WE SEE THIS, YOU DUMBHEAD!
 
Feels like the room got flag wild
 
room mode changed to Gallery: anyone may enter, but only approved users can talk
 
8:00 PM
@sbi duh...
 
sbi
@curiousguy WE SEE THIS, YOU DUMBHEAD! We see every flag you're throwing, and we vote against it.
 
@NikiC I almost didn't notice.
 
oh that handled it
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: [QUARANTINE ZONE DO NOT ENTER] [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [fun] [nsfw]
 
@NikiC yes it did, sorry about that
 
8:01 PM
> Drise has requested access to Lounge<C++>. Prætorian has requested access to Lounge<C++>.
lolwut?
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: [QUARANTINE ZONE DO NOT ENTER] [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [fun] [nsfl]
 
I thought I got banned again...
 
And there we go. I'm on gatekeeping duty again.
 
Gallery mode.
 
@FredOverflow The Cat kicked us out temporarily
 
8:01 PM
@FredOverflow quarantine doesn't happen often, lots of people haven't gotten rights yet
 
no
 
wrong tags
 
@Prætorian y?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're not alone
 
@FredOverflow Something called Gallery mode
 
8:01 PM
I guess everyone is allowed except for you know who?
 
@FredOverflow he kicked everyone who's not a regular out
 
sbi
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
room mode changed to Gallery: anyone may enter, but only approved users can talk
 
@StackedCrooked basically
 
Ah okay. And how do I grant access to someone? Can I?
 
@FredOverflow only room owners
 
Xeo
8:02 PM
Hit the "Lounge<C++>" link
 
he is a room owner
 
@sbi I don't think the shouting helps, big guy
 
@FredOverflow You have got to be the worst owner :P
3
 
Xeo
and you see everyone who requested access
 
8:02 PM
Yes. From "access" tab on room info.
We'll unlock the room after a while.
 
I didn't get kicked? /daww, I feel loved.
 
SLOW DOWN, too many messages at the same time
I've got lost
 
@Drise You mean weakest owner, right? ;)
 
@FredOverflow Just click on the 'lounge' link with the request. Takes you right to the page
 
Those are the "official" non-owner regulars, I guess.
 
sbi
8:03 PM
@sehe Ah, I was just trying to troll him. :)
 
So many unknown people asking access :)
 
@sbi In caps as well? Mind if I bin them :)
 
@StackedCrooked Really?
 
@StackedCrooked We are popular.
 
@StackedCrooked Just 1
 
8:04 PM
@StackedCrooked Probably 10ks who saw the flagspam
 
I'm here for moral support guys - C# went through this last week. :)
 
@StackedCrooked gallery mode seems to attract people
 
Kyle is from the C# room, and Niki is from the PHP room.
 
this room has really strange methods of governance...
 
@KyleTrauberman Orly? lol
 
8:04 PM
There's only one new person.
 
@KyleTrauberman ooh thanks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unknown to me :D
 
@TonyTheLion It's a secret! I must know the secret!
 
sbi
@sehe IYAM, feel free to bin the whole last hour.
 
8:04 PM
@KyleTrauberman went through?
 
we got him banned
 
Xeo
@NikiC Well, most of the time we have in fact none :)
 
@MooingDuck probably something like that
 
@NikiC Hey, I wanted to have blacklist power.
 
sbi
@KyleTrauberman With the same guy?
 
8:04 PM
@NikiC mostly it's anarchy/trolling, unless it goes nuts, then we lockdown for a while
 
Xeo
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 55 minutes.
 
different guy, sorry
 
Oh, nice.
 
@NikiC I think the correct definition is: as much anarchy as possible supportable.
 
8:05 PM
@Xeo Did we get it?
 
@KyleTrauberman Thanks for your support. By the way, I have C# 5.0 in a Nutshell on my bed table (?)
 
@sbi I'm too lazy. But I dislike shouting, whether it is by regulars or not
 
Maybe he'll take a hint.
 
@NikiC It's an ownercracy.
 
Xeo
@Drise Aye
 
8:05 PM
@sehe agreed
 
18
Q: Suspected Abusive User

Kendall FreyThis user seems to be abusing Stack Overflow. If you read this chat transcript, near the beginning he claimed he has 5 SO accounts. Is there a way to determine if that is true? I would also be surprised if he hasn't used his multiple accounts to earn reputation. I noticed at 12:34 PM (UTC) today...

that's an account of our issue :)
 
room mode changed to Public: anyone may enter and talk
 
sbi
@Xeo 90mins? That means three flags have validated, no?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was about to ask.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like that :D
 
8:06 PM
@sbi That says 55?
 
sbi
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 1 hour 25 minutes. — chat.stackoverflow.com/users/963864/curiousguy
 
I honestly didn't see what happened.
So, back to gonads.
 
go back reading
 
Gonads can be ovaries too.
 
We can find some older messages, flag them to death and give him 30 minutes more.
 
8:06 PM
LOOL
 
I doubt ovaries are male genitalia.
 
Xeo
@sbi should be, yeah
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't like that kind of persecution.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ask Google!
 
Also, you can't flag old stuff anymore.
 
8:07 PM
@CatPlusPlus You're so evil! (That's a compliment)
 
Marc implemented that one.
 
I have a feeling he'll be back and disruptive again.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, that's good actually.
 
@CatPlusPlus He gave us plenty to work with with the whole "flagged" rage
 
sbi
@NikiC You mean because we have so many owners? Read the Code of Conduct, in order to learn why that is so.
 
@TonyTheLion I'd rather not. Those are dangerous keywords.
 
8:08 PM
haha
 
I'd still want to just do /ban user Fuck you and never come back.
2
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Course you can. His isn't that old.
 
I think there is merit in this answer:
0
A: std::list<>::splice invalidates iterators. Rationale?

curiousguyIf the containers have customised, unequal (non compatible) allocators, you cannot swap pointers, you have no choice but to really copy elements around.

Anyone qualified to confirm that?
 
sbi
@sehe Are you trying to bait us into downvoting? :)
 
Nope
 
8:09 PM
that's just asking for trouble
 
@sehe Yes, it's true.
not sure if splice should even compile under those circumstances
 
@sehe splice takes a list (i.e. with the same template parameters), so that's unlikely to happen.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, lists can have allocators too?
Oh I see the clarification helps
 
Oh gawd why.
Flags, so many.
 
Whaaat the fuuuck.
 
8:10 PM
@CatPlusPlus You probably have done that to me when I first attended.
 
holy flagspam
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wanna see!
 
Done
@Drise Open eyes
 
QQ, need moar reps to see flagspam! I don't want to sit at the kids table either, @Drise
 
8:11 PM
@sehe I'm a poor 1.4k rep.
 
@Drise Close eyes :)
 
This got slightly out of hand.
 
You want that ugly thing on your avatar? You guys are crazy!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Lazy robot
 
8:12 PM
Holy fuck balls batman!
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey, why do I only have 41?
 
@Xeo You got flagged?
 
@Xeo Maybe you acted on some already?
 
Xeo
Nope
 
Those.
 
Xeo
8:12 PM
Ah, 52 now
 
@Xeo Your opinion is not as important.
 
Xeo
@sehe Wat, no
 
lulz
 
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 1 hour 17 minutes.
Not nearly enough if you ask me.
 
I don't see any of these flags, thanks to the @CatPlusPlus
 
8:12 PM
@Xeo Stacked crooked got flagged twice, so it is possible
 
@EtiennedeMartel Nice
 
@EtiennedeMartel Slowpoke
 
@TonyTheLion Wut?
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Well, I just confirmed all the flags. I suppose that, if he's back in 90mins, he'll still be as angry, if not more. If he has to wait until tomorrow, he'll be cooled off.
 
6 mins ago, by sbi
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 1 hour 25 minutes. — http://chat.stackoverflow.com/users/963864/curiousguy
 
8:13 PM
You can validate flags by clicking on flag icon on already-flagged messages, thankfully.
 
I have a message for whoever is flagging so many posts.
 
@Drise CSS plugin that removes the flag thingy
 
@sbi Huhoh. Don't count on it
@KendallFrey Hehe. Image not found?
 
@KendallFrey INF
 
@KendallFrey image not found?
 
8:13 PM
Image macro.
 
@sbi I also validated all the flags against him.
 
@KendallFrey 404.
 
sbi
@sehe It's >2hrs now.
 
Xeo
@KendallFrey We actually got a good reason, though
 
8:14 PM
LOL
 
(That was the image he linked, by the way)
 
Still annoying, of course
 
CAT!
 
That's the one.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Why are you writing such abusive messages to yourself, @Kendall?
 
8:14 PM
You're gonna be so meta-d on this...
 
@KendallFrey Upload instead of hotlink/onebox.
Onebox fails if the site prevents hotlinking or checks referrers
 
sbi
@NikiC Who's gonna meta'd why and on what?
 
@KendallFrey Wait. You're a dweller of the C# room. That means you're quite used to abusive flagging.
 
Not exactly.
 
8:15 PM
urgh
 
@sbi You're doing it already :)
 
The culprit is banned for a month.
2
 
I am glad we have some good policy on this flagging crap
 
sbi
@sehe I am doing what?
 
@TonyTheLion Don't flag things?
 
8:16 PM
@sbi @curiousguy sounds like the kind of person who'll start bitching around on meta about how you're all misusing flags and censoring him and bla bla ;)
 
meta-ing
@Drise Yep
 
@sbi Taking that meme pic meta (use it 'against' the poster)?
 
@TonyTheLion Glad I know that rule.
 
@NikiC Whineposts are the best.
 
You better :)
 
8:17 PM
So, what happened exactly?
 
sbi
@KendallFrey No, he isn't. it's still just 2hrs.
 
@NikiC Oh that kind of meta-ing
 
@sbi Not that guy.
The other one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Troll came by, and everyone refused to PLONK, as I suggested
 
... what's going on with the flag spamming?
 
8:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes @curiousguy guy got in an argument in the comments of a question that spilled over to chat, not sure how it ended up here
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Etienne summoned him to this room and he came as soon as his earlier ban was lifted :)
 
Xeo
@SpencerRuport Flaginating a troll
 
Wtf?
 
sbi
@NikiC Yeah, he should do that. I am sure the meta crowd will be really glad to assist someone who, within 15mins, brought the whole C++ room up against him.
 
@sehe So we kicked him out for being kicked out once?
 
8:18 PM
@Drise Screenshot taken on the 8th
 
@KyleTrauberman He brought it here. I sorta started the trolling, but he earned it.
 
@SpencerRuport We got attacked by a notorious troll.
 
@SpencerRuport Just validate and everything will be good.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No he came to this room to vent. Room didn't enjoy that
 
Fuck trolls, let's get on with interesting stuff
 
8:19 PM
Meta might not like us very much, but they dislike angry trolls even more.
 
@Drise He earned it by doing what?
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm sure you'd love to read that when you went to investigate a flag fest. Not very trust-inspirign
 
0
Q: parentheses inside for loop initialization

FredOverflowfor (int i(0); i < 10; ++i) { ... } Has the int i(0) syntax inside the for loop initializer always been allowed in standard C++? It compiles fine with g++ -std=c++98, but I don't trust compilers when it comes to standard details.

 
@Drise ahh - our abusive user was posting horse porn too, so be happy you escaped that fate.
 
May I disturb the chat with a C++ question? :)
 
8:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bitching and such.
 
sbi
@SpencerRuport We had a troll. He was flagged and kicked out. Someone went and flagged most of his old messages, so he'd be banned for days. If you want to do me a favor, confirm all the flags and he'll be gone.
@FredOverflow Nooooooo!
 
@sehe I don't see foreign flags so.
 
@KyleTrauberman Damn. I missed that
 
@KyleTrauberman Nice! My favori... Wait.
 
lol
he would post it, then immediatly delete it, so we couldn't flag it
 
8:20 PM
@Drise That's the part I missed. Well, at least I missed it before shit hit fan.
 
Well if I may make a suggestion, if someones being a troll, flag the actual offensive stuff because when I see a flag on stuff like "curiousg: @FredOverflow why?" I'm hesitant to mark it as valid.
 
@CatPlusPlus So? That doesn't make your 'reassuring' words very... reassuring
 
@KyleTrauberman You can just flag for mod in that case.
 
@CatPlusPlus we did, multiple times - no mod showed up
 
8:20 PM
But we want him gone for loooong.
 
I had to got to meta tavern and ask for a mod to visit
3 showed up then
 
Possibly forever.
 
@CatPlusPlus gone for long long, if possible
 
long gone = std::numeric_limits<long>::max();
 
@FredOverflow Long long double gone = std::numeric_limits<long long double>::max();?
 
8:21 PM
The problem is that Meta isn't giving the rep mods enough power over the chat.
 
@FredOverflow that may be UB
 
@Drise double gone?
 
So we always have to call for an elected mod. And they don't like moderating chat.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's also a few missing parts, from when I tried to keep calm and just remove the guy's messages.
 
Entire system is broken as hell.
 
8:21 PM
@SamDeHaan y?
 
Room owners should be able to enforce room policies.
Including banning idiots.
 
@SpencerRuport Can mods enter the Lounge when it's in its special mode? :)
 
@FredOverflow No particular reason.
 
We're here to chat, not listen to unfunny tirades.
 
@sbi Don't forget all the 'successfully flagged' messages are gone too
 
sbi
8:22 PM
@sehe Oh yeah, I forgot those. He's >3:30hrs now, and counting.
 
@CatPlusPlus if you're curious about our incident, see (WARNING: NSFW room title, 10k+ only): chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/15024/…
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Yep, they have done that before.
 
@FredOverflow - I don't know what the mods can do. Due to my rep I get some special privileges but almost none in chat. So if you're asking if I can the answer is probably no.
 
@KyleTrauberman Hey, that's hilarious room title.
 
@sbi I thought that was the best. Troll the troll with super powers.
 
8:23 PM
I thought SO was supposed to be mostly moderated by the high rep users after reading the FAQ but it seems like that policy is changing and I'm not sure why.
 
Hint: SO doesn't care about this chat.
They want their perfect Q&A site with no community features at all.
 
That needs to be changed.
 
We care about this chat
 
TBH, I'm surprised the chat exists at all.
 
@SpencerRuport Protip: We are the thorn in SO's side. We had a meta post about this sometime ago, no?
 
8:24 PM
No.
 
sbi
@Drise I was actually on the phone, though, trying to explain to a nice 75yo person how to transfer a file from one machine to another using an USB stick, so I failed to remove the stuff in time, and I finally had to give up, because the person started to get more and more confused. :-/
 
I don't go into meta. Every time I make a suggestion there I get mocked and downvoted.
 
@sbi Lol
 
@SpencerRuport sounds about right
 
Most chat feature requests are either ignored or declined.
 
8:25 PM
@SpencerRuport Everyone does.
 
Me, I get upvoted, though I have no idea why.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus I disagree with that.
 
@SpencerRuport downvotes are different on meta
I was downvoted to oblivion on meta
-18
Q: Change chat font from Verdana to Arial

Kyle TraubermanVerdana doesn't allow Z̨͚͎͚̲͚̳̫̀̎͐̋̐͌͊͐͟͡ḁ̜͍̠̫̪̥̐ͣ͑ͣ͑ͫ̿̑͞l̶̶͕͈͍̉̆̋̍̅͋͐ͣ̍͝g̤̻̮͎̗͐̋̑̾ͬ̽͋͟o̜̹̜̙͕͉ͬ́͊ͤ͗̊̇ ̶̠̹̗̄̅̽͛͡T̳̤̓ͥ̀ͪ̍̕͞e͛͌̊ͪ̃͏͏̜͙̥̭̙͕̜͇x̨̱̖̘̹̩̬̮ͯ̎ͨ̓͒͘͠t̳͕̘̫̰͖̩ͯͫ̆ͨ to be used, whereas Arial does. I propose changing the default chat font from Verdana to Arial.

 
@sbi Well, I have a different vision than you, then.
 
4
Q: Reputation is bouncing around

DriseMy reputation has been bouncing around for the past hour or so. I had 1350 rep at about 1 PM today, which mysteriously dropped to 1346. I couldn't find anything to account for it. I figured it was just 4 points, who cares. But now I just made an edit, and it went up to 1352. But when I reloaded t...

 
8:25 PM
I got 18 upvotes on a 'ban user' question. WTF?
 
@KyleTrauberman - Fair enough. I just haven't found to be a very constructive place to pitch ideas.
 
sbi
Meta is the madhouse. Do not mess with the inmates.
 
Votes on meta are agreement/disagreement.
 
@KendallFrey and -18 on a change font question
 
What's up with the flags?
 
8:26 PM
@CatPlusPlus - Then they shouldn't affect rep if you ask me.
 
not again :/
 
@KyleTrauberman On meta people downvote requests they don't agree with.
 
@SpencerRuport vOv
What do you need meta rep for, anyway.
 
@SpencerRuport @CatPlusPlus I agree
 
sbi
7 mins ago, by sbi
@SpencerRuport We had a troll. He was flagged and kicked out. Someone went and flagged most of his old messages, so he'd be banned for days. If you want to do me a favor, confirm all the flags and he'll be gone.
 
8:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know, I made that suggestion in Jest anyways, expecting downvotes
 
Lol, everyone comes here when flags errupt?
 
Yes, because we get pissed off exceedingly.
 
@sbi tnx
 
I thought this troll wasn't that interesting at all, but seeing the sheer discussion he's sparked, some must have a different POV than me
 
sbi
@Drise Have I ever mentioned that flags are visible to all >10k users across the whole chat.
 
8:28 PM
People tend to come into rooms that have many flags in short amount of time.
 
I plonked him straight away
 
Because the system is broken.
 
like most of you should have done
 
@sbi But they come here?
 
And I'll be repeating that until I'm finally not-lazy enough to do my own chat.
 
8:28 PM
... it's like a train wreck. I want to watch.
:D
 
sbi
@Drise To see what the flagging spree is all about.
 
@TonyTheLion You missed out on the popcorn fun.
 
@Drise It helps that it shows what rooms the flags are coming from :) And it's hard to get the correct context of flags. When people are annoying I'm more than happy to help get rid of them
 
sbi
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 5 hours 32 minutes. — chat.stackoverflow.com/users/963864/curiousguy
 
@Drise but that's what plonking is for
 
8:28 PM
Plonking him is not a fix.
 
fixed for me
 
Because some people will always be replying.
 
@PeeHaa I see.
 
And the chat is disrupted either way.
 
theres a troll in the chat? sigh not again...
 
8:29 PM
@sbi Victory.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Well, had we all plonked him, that would have fixed the issue, too.
 
@sbi Holy shit
 
@CatPlusPlus BREAKING NEWS: Some people are idiots.
 
@Drise That's nothing.
 
sbi
@NikiC It's still counting. It was <4hrs about 10mins ago.
 
8:29 PM
@TonyTheLion Yup, like I said before:
Jun 4 at 13:30, by sehe
I figure I could post a question on meta. I'm pretty sure the ignore user function is broken. Nothing else explains this situation
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: [QUARANTINE ZONE DO NOT LEAVE] [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [fun] [nsfl]
 
@sehe yep
 
It's still not a proper solution.
 
Well, if anyone suggests that room owners and/or certain rep levels should be able to kick/ban just from chatting, not the entire site I will upvote it on Meta.
 
It's half-assed workaround.
@SpencerRuport I already did. Declined.
 
sbi
8:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes But I will have to go to bed, eventually!
 
@CatPlusPlus It works. Better than a flag fest
 
@SpencerRuport That was tried already.
 
I'm leavinggggg nowwwwwww!!!!!!
 
You fail.
 
@KendallFrey Cheers.
 
8:30 PM
@SpencerRuport I think owners should be able to kick users
 
Lame. Anyone have the link?
 
14
Q: Make it possible to revoke write access to public chat rooms

Cat Plus PlusThere is already a two-tier ACL system in place: it allows us to choose default access mode (Public for "default read and write" and Gallery for "default read, no write"), and then assign access levels to users. For the purpose of this post, let's label them: Level 0: explicit read access Level...

 
sbi
@KendallFrey Goodbye!
 
> Bite a big juicy bum it's an amazing feeling!
WTF
 
Jun 13 at 19:45, by Cat Plus Plus
> This user has been temporarily suspended by a moderator and cannot chat for 416 days.
 
8:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes holy moly
 
sbi
@KyleTrauberman I tended to agree to that, but then I remembered that most rooms have far less owners. So that would put a lot of power into the hands of someone who might have a bad day.
 
What did he say then?
I don't remember.
 
416 days is a bit more than "temporary" :)
 
user457812
Boy howdy
 
@sbi Have you checked the popular rooms lately?
 
8:33 PM
But it was something extraordinarily shitty.
 
@sbi fair point
 
@kbok I remember someone replying along the lines of "temporary my ass" at the time.
 
@sbi IRC functions like that for years, and it's really not a problem.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, I haven't. Have they all converted to our model? :-o
 
@sbi Somewhat, yes.
 
sbi
8:33 PM
@CatPlusPlus Usenet functioned for decades, with only plonking as a means to deal with trolls. So?
 
Usenet is not an IM.
Not the same moderation needs.
 
@CatPlusPlus So?
Plonking is universal. It works. Even with kids
 
Kicking is universal, too, and doesn't require everyone to go out of their way to plonk.
 
Only there should be a protocol to recommend plonks more effecitvely
 
Jun 13 at 19:47, by Collin
I look away for one second and you guys have completely wiped someone's existence off the face of this chat
 
8:35 PM
Thinking IM and non-IM sites can be moderated in the same way led to the current flag system.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes So I looked at four rather popular rooms (picked at a whim) and they had 4-8 owners. Not as much as we have, but, yes, more than one user.
 
Nuff said.
 
@sehe you've plonked your kids?
 
@TonyTheLion On occasion :)
 
8:36 PM
@sbi Python has only one, but it's balpha, so it's irrelevant.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, and I agree to some extend. Only, "it worked at X" isn't really an argument, when Y worked without it.
 
@sehe Is that good parenting?
 
Oops! Your edit couldn't be submitted because:

the moderator tag 'status-declined' must be present
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see, @balpha is irrelevant. I knew it.
 
Wut.
 
8:37 PM
It's called 'education'. Kids can be the best trolls you've ever seen. You know: they are always there, have nowhere else to go.
 
@Drise You can't remove status tags unless you're a mod.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Lame.
 
@TonyTheLion Ah, finally explained.
 
8:38 PM
:)
 
@sbi It is an argument when nearly all multi-user IMs include that functionality.
 
sbi
@sehe No explanation needed, just look at this image:
 
And they don't have problems like that.
 
sbi
 
It's also really satisfying.
 
8:39 PM
@sbi Seen that a zillion times now. Doesn't explain the sound
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus I remain unconvinced. Nearly all Q&A sites used to not to let users vote.
 
Current system here has already proven to be annoying.
And we're not talking about Q&A sites, so they're irrelevant.
 
@CatPlusPlus Many a state used to be led by a single person. Many a country used to have capital punishment. Etc etc. And: it worked! No one ever spoke up!
 
sbi
@sehe If I slap a dead fish over your head with enough force for it to make a "plonk" sound, what more explanation do you need to grasp my feelings about you?
 
@CatPlusPlus Not IFF you use the ignore button
 
sbi
8:41 PM
@CatPlusPlus We're also not talking about IRC, so it's irrelevant, too.
 
@sbi oh, I never looked at the image that way. Jeez
 
@sehe I'm talking more about flagging.
 
@sbi A dead fish doesn't make a plonk sound. At least, not on my head
 
Gods. Fine, nevermind.
 
8:41 PM
@sbi Fucking LOL
 
@CatPlusPlus So, don't flag.
 
If I had a choice between C++ and Python for 3D game development, should I go with C++?
Assuming I use OpenGL
 
Ell
@JosephPotts long lost uncle joe!
 
sbi
@sehe How many angry gorillas have slapped a dead fish over your head that you know what sound it makes?
 
8:42 PM
Yes, wonderful solution.
 
@Ell what do you mean? :P
 
Makes perfect sense.
 
@Ell Hahaha. You should explain about your surname
 
G'job.
 
Ell
@JosephPotts we share the same surname :)
 
8:42 PM
What are you rambling, Cat?
 
So that means C++ is better?
oo :)
 
@JosephPotts No.
 
@JosephPotts C++ is tolerated, not loved.
 
C++ is only better when it's Java or PHP. Else, no
 
8:43 PM
@JosephPotts Is this rhetorical, right?
 
@JosephPotts Wrong room? Of course it is. Not. Use both. Python for the logic, C++ for the performance critical bits
 
oh and C
 
sbi
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 5 hours 17 minutes. — chat.stackoverflow.com/users/963864/curiousguy
 
I'm on Mumble
anyone care to join?
 
Oh...
 
8:44 PM
@TonyTheLion I can't discuss fixing anything when the solution is handwaved "well don't do that then".
 
Ell
I will tomorrow! :D
 
@sbi Lol, and he's still in here getting to watch us laugh at him.
 
but wont it be better if I wrote the 3D game purely in C++?
 
@CatPlusPlus oh
 
@JosephPotts Yes.
 
8:45 PM
@JosephPotts Write in Haskell, duh.
 
@JosephPotts The game will be good if you work your ass off on it. The language doesn't really matter :)
 
Ell
@JosephPotts I think the 3d part requires a performant language such as c++
 
C++ is basically the only viable language for 3D app development.
 
Ell
@DeadMG I don't know about that, java.
 
@DeadMG that's what I thought.
 
8:45 PM
@Ell He's unlikely to write the 3D engine though
 
Well take Minecraft for example
It's not really a smooth game
 
@Ell what.
 
@JosephPotts Nor is it particularly 3D, when you get right down to it.
 
Ell
@kbok fair point
 
@JosephPotts Yea it is, if your computer isn't from 1980
 
8:46 PM
I wonder what kind of computers people play Minecraft on.
 
@DeadMG How is Minecraft not 3D ? Oo
 
I never experienced non-smoothness on it.
 
It is 3D. How is it not =o
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes gtx 560 Ti Cu II
 
8:46 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes working ones, obviously :)
 
Martinho, I meant on the highest settings
 
And I used to play it on a six year old machine.
 
@kbok Strictly, it occurs in 3D, but the graphical effects are hardly typical of a 3D application. From a performance and complexity perspective, it's much more akin to a Flash game.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes serious?
 
8:46 PM
Well yeah.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You have to "turn it up to eleven" with custom plugins to make it lag
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Macs.
 
There are already games (written in some C++-ish thingy, I guess) I can't play on the highest settings on my months old machine. So what?
 
@DeadMG true.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't play games, problem solved :)
 
8:47 PM
@JosephPotts Yea, but likely a pain to mod and not cross platform
 
Ell
@JosephPotts if it was written well, obviously
 
Well yeah.
 
I'm making a 3D game in C#.
 
cheer me up everyone, I'm having a bad day
 
8:48 PM
@TonyTheLion Sex. Get some.
 
@kbok XNA?
 
@Drise no gf :(
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion whats got you down?
 
@DeadMG yup
 
@Ell stuff
 
8:49 PM
has large parts written in C++
 
@TonyTheLion Don't need one.
 
@Drise That will work the other way.
 
@TonyTheLion He said: sex. Not: gf
 
actually, the only XNA game I know is Terrarria, and it's not 3D.
 
@sehe well, I don't like to go prostitutes, so if I want to have sex, I need a girlfriend
 
8:49 PM
@DeadMG Xbox, no?
 
@DeadMG The game is not going to be graphics-intensive so I'm confident about perfs
 
@TonyTheLion But you can use a reference to a temporary!
 
@Drise Terarria is on PC too.
 
@TonyTheLion Not really. FWB. NSA?
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion im sure you could get a girlfriend
 
8:50 PM
@sehe UB
 
@DeadMG I meant aren't most xbox games done in XNA?
 
no.
 
@Drise No.
 
the odd indie game is done in XNA.
 
@Ell girls don't like me, else I'd never be in this chat room :P
@Drise wut?
 
8:50 PM
no AAA game has ever spent a significant proportion of it's time in a non-compiled language.
 
sbi
@Drise I fail to parse that.
 
and as of about 1995-2000, that means non-C++.
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion girls like all kinds of people, I'm sure girls like you :) you are a perfectly likeable person. Probably :D
 
@Ell lol
 
@TonyTheLion Well several of us have a girlfriend. Hell, @sbi has been married several times
 
8:51 PM
Yeah, he's a fool.
 
Or just Chick(19).rumble(); // look ma, no strings
 
@Ell you'd have to ask that to the person in this room that's met me IRL if I"m likeable
 
@TonyTheLion Nope.
 
@sbi Friends with benefits, no strings attached.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Careful. Once we're on a flagging spree...
 
Ell
8:52 PM
@TonyTheLion and who is that?
 
0
A: parentheses inside for loop initialization

FredOverflowHere are the relevant parts of the syntax found in The C++ Programming Language, Appendix A: iteration-statement: ... for (for-init-statement condition_opt; expression_opt) statement for-init-statement: ... simple-declaration simple-declaration: decl-specifier-seq_opt init-...

I could have sworn it didn't work back then :-/ Time to dig out TD&E!
 
Ell
@Drise you'd be lucky to get that. Hard to come by :L
 
@sbi Oh. Didn't know it was a touchy subject. Sorry.
 
@Ell Don't remind me. I'm currently looking.
 
@Ell the ape
 
sbi
8:52 PM
@Ell Björn, Konrad, and me, I think.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, sorry, I forgot them smiley.
 
Ell
@Drise I am also looking for a friend with benefits... maybe we should meet ;)
 
sbi
I tried to be fast this time.
 
@Ell wait. wut?
 
@Ell Only if you're into dudes, which I'm not opposed to.
 
@Drise He might be a littler young for you.
 
8:53 PM
oh god, now we've turned into a lovers meeting place :P
 
@TonyTheLion Her real name is Elle.
 
@SamDeHaan Good point. Jail bait!
 
Ell
@Drise Yeah, I'm not :L I was kidding. I forget most people aren't homophobic. Also forgot the pedophilia aspect :L
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh?
I thought she was a he
 
@JosephPotts Just read gcc.gnu.org/wiki/gcc-in-cxx for informed opinions
 
8:54 PM
@Ell I'm just not afraid of being odd. I've been made fun of my whole life; it doesn't phase me anymore.
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion that's what I'll have you beleive
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion No, that was @Xeo.
 
@TonyTheLion You just believe everything the robot says, huh?
 
Ell
@Drise are you saying gays are odd!?
 
@TonyTheLion Operation Confuse The Heck Out of Tony was a huge success..
4
 
sbi
8:54 PM
@Drise I am afraid of not being odd. :)
 
I like being even.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you made me laugh, thank you :)
 
But do they have feelings
 
I am also confused.
 
@Ell No, I'm just an strange person.
 
Xeo
8:55 PM
What does 0 count as again?
 
Ell
@Drise me too. I mean i'm straight but,
 
sbi
@sehe The even ones or the odd ones?
@Xeo Zero. No fingers. (A fist, really.)
 
@sbi There aren't even ones
 
@Xeo What kind of question is that?
 
@sbi Even the odd ones.
 
8:56 PM
@Ell I'm unopposed to exploration. Can't say you hate it till you try it.
 
@sbi A fist counts.
 
sbi
@sehe Brute bully!
@sehe What about the robot?
 
Guys, this isn't a matchmaking site.
 
Ell
@Drise Yeah. Meh I don't know, all openly gay people I personally know are real douches. An embarasment to thier sexuality
 
@kbok This isn't wasn't a matchmaking site, anyway.
 
8:57 PM
So? It is also not a flag factory
 
Homophobs are silly people likely to have a skewed view on the world because of



wait for it



religion.
 
Ell
@Drise I am homophobic, sort of. I don't know why o.O I have some subconscious distrust of them
 
@Ell This is also true of the majority of the openly gay people I know.
 
Ell
And I get very uncomfortable around openly gay people
 
Man. Might as well mention singletons while we're derailing stuff
And pointers
And porn
 
8:58 PM
@Ell Why? Are they any different from straight people?
 
Where's Cicada?
 
@sehe Pointers to singleton porn.
 
Ell
@Drise Not sure really. A friend of mine makes jokes that make me feel uncomfortable
 
@Ell Then it's silly to distrust them.
 
8:59 PM
@sehe Chatting on the Internet is much better than in person. I can suppress all the stupid crap I usually say. So, FTR, I was going to reply with something really awful.
 
@Drise Some are. I can testify. But, hey, I've been in (well, at least, involved) in travesty acts with a singer. I've been places :)
 
Aw.. "You have used your vote allowance for the day"...
 
@sehe red light district :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good for you to suppress it!
 
@sehe ooh, the polar bear is worldly
 
Ell
8:59 PM
@Drise I know it's silly - I don't like it about myself and i do try but sometimes I just can't help it
 
@SamDeHaan Bear.
 

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