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21:00
@AgainstASicilian YOu jsut said you didn't know how to write C++ wrappers for it
I don't know how to write wrappers, no
Oh, shit, you're saying jalf, of all people, is incompetent?
And if you don't know how to use a C or C++ library, then you do not know C++
Brb, gonna get some popcorn.
passes around popcorn
21:00
@EtiennedeMartel I'm saying he's making very uninformed judgment calls
if you do not know how to write a C++ interface to wrap a C API, then you do not know C++
I don't know what a "wrapper" is
@AgainstASicilian cute... Pot, meet kettle
@AgainstASicilian a simple class whos members call C functions.
I've written plenty of performance-sensitive code. And yes, C++ can generate very fast code. It can also generate impressively slow code
21:01
okay, if your ego is really that important to you, you're absolutely right, 100% correct. Now, please leave me alone.
@AgainstASicilian I'm saying you're picking on the wrong person. Here's the thing: that guy knows his shit. Listen to him.
And most of all, may other languages can generate very efficient code
some languages can generate more efficient code than C++, unless you're a C++ guru and are willing to spend absurd amounts of time optimizing your program
@AgainstASicilian My ego? I don't really see what my ego has to do with anything. I'm not the one acting butthurt when people tell me there might just be a better way to solve the problem I'm trying to solve
@EtiennedeMartel I don't care. I've solved enough PE problems to know that C++ implementations involving larger loop iterations tend to be loads faster. An implementation that will take 20 minutes in Python can take 10 in C++, for instance, based on the nature of the looping structures
@AgainstASicilian If you want to be left alone, close this window. This is a chat. It is designed to not leave people alone
@AgainstASicilian You realize that most of Python just delegate the work to C calls, right?
21:03
it is designed for people to talk to other people
C++ is fast in the general case. Not for hardcore calculations like you're trying to do.
@EtiennedeMartel See for yourself -- I can give you countless reams of high-n arithmetic algorithms in both C++ and Python. C++ utterly smokes them
@AgainstASicilian Yes. And it can also take 10 minutes in C# or Java. Or Fortran. Or a million other languages. I am not saying a C++ implementation of your program can't be faster than your Python program. I am saying that C++ is just one language out of many which can be used to generate fast code
@AgainstASicilian That's like saying that the space shuttle utterly smokes a bicycle.
That's kind of missing the point
@AgainstASicilian Yeah, sure. But what we're saying is that there might be better languages than C++ for that. As it is now, it looks to me like you're trying really hard to find some use for your golden hammer of choice.
Python was never designed to be fast. C++ was, sure, but so were dozens of other languages, which could be used to speed up your program without all the headaches adn struggles you're fighting with now
21:04
I don't know why you're reacting so strongly over this. I've never seen someone get bent out of shape just because someone else is trying to get GMP working in C++. Totally weird.
The world is bigger than Python and C++
Not my world
@AgainstASicilian Documentation on how to use the GMP C++ classes is here: gmplib.org/manual/… by the way
@AgainstASicilian I don't know why you are reacting so strongly over this. I've never seen someone get bent out of shape just because he's being given advice on how to better solve his problem
21:05
@MooingDuck Yes, I have them
Probably missing the point of this discussion, but I believe Fortran can be faster than C because it doesn't have the aliasing problems.
@jalf Because in the environment in which I am using these programs I have a good idea of what I need for my purposes.
@StackedCrooked amonst other things yes
@ScottW yeah XD
Fortran crushes anything when it comes to arithmetic. That's what it was designed for.
(Except maybe hand-written, highly optimized assembly code. That might run faster)
21:06
@StackedCrooked in the old days it was because fortran didn't support recursive functions. so it didn't need stack frames
@AgainstASicilian .... You have such a good idea of what you need that you've had to ask for help here countless times in the last few hours. And you have such a good idea of what you need that you then disregard the answers people give you
assembly!
@jalf Ok, you're right. Let's stop arguing
@AgainstASicilian honestly, if I were to write a fast program to do numerical computations, I'd choose Fortran over asm any day
Fortran eliminates the need for a debugger.
@jalf Then go solve all the problems in Fortran. Gluck with that!
21:07
It is surprisingly had to write efficient assembly code
Or so they said when they created it.
i will probably be discussing gmp in my writings "book" soon
@AgainstASicilian Sure. You do it in C++ with GMP then. Sounds like you're off to a great start already.
i mean i'm going through basic types
@ScottW i loved common blocks
@jalf I am not being sarcastic here; go solve some of the problems. I guarantee you will change your mind.
21:08
although only used fortran for some very small stuff in 1985 i think it was
@AgainstASicilian I'm not being sarcastic either. Go write your fast code in a language that's easier to grapple with than C++. I guarantee you it will change your mind.
@AgainstASicilian And why do you assume I haven't solved any of them?
Which hard ones have you solved?
I know how to write fast C++ code. I've done so on quite a few occasions before
also fun with fortran: the RatFor preprocessor, that allowed you to write almost structured code
"rational fortran"
:-)
Anyway, I'm heading to bed. Have fun all!
21:09
@jalf See yu.
Ratfor (short for Rational Fortran) is a programming language implemented as a preprocessor for Fortran 66. It provided modern control structures, unavailable in Fortran 66, to replace GOTOs and statement numbers. Features Ratfor provides the following kinds of flow-control statements, described by Kernighan and Plauger as "shamelessly stolen from the language C, developed for the UNIX operating system by D.M. Ritchie" ("Software Tools", p. 318): * statement grouping with braces * if-else, while, for, do, repeat-until, break, next * "free-form" statements, i.e., not constrained...
"Oh snap I can't answer that one!"
How does one accurately measure the execution time of calculations and such ? I mean hitting start and stop on a stop watch is just too slow lol
point made
Most of the problems are doable in under a second even in Python. I am talking about the seriously tough ones that take Python hours and hours to complete.
how about numpy?
21:10
Ever considered that there's more in this world than Python and C++?
depends on the problem
or are you using python 3.x?
@AgainstASicilian It's ten minutes past eleven, and I need to get up earlyish tomorrow. And you have shown very clearly that you pay no attention to what anyone else are saying, and you still haven't even heard what it is we're telling you
@EtiennedeMartel Of course, but I haven't found a good one in place
@jalf Neither have you, my friend
Why should I spend the hours I could be sleeping in, trying to talk to you?
21:11
@jalf Like I said, go do some of the hard ones first before making that judgment call
What are we arguing about, Python speed vs C++?
@AgainstASicilian which judgment call?
@Pubby I was trying to get big numbers working in C++ via GMP and jalf is jumping down my throat for it
maybe aas has good idea for science fiction book, or good guitar riff?
@jalf That I shouldn't be using C++ here
21:11
Please listen this time. We have only said this 88 times, and I will happily repeat myself: "We are not saying C++ is a worse choice than Python when you want to write fast code"
or knows about good things to eat and drink, or say to member of the attractive sex?
The suckiness of Python when it comes to performance is completely and utterly irrelevant
those can conceivably be good reasons to talk to person
@jalf I see countless people using GMP so please don't act like I am crazy for trying to learn it
Well what's your problem?
21:12
@AgainstASicilian I'm not. I act like you're crazy because you're acting like you're crazy
anyway it's mostly only the existing implementations of python that are dead slow
@Pubby I am just trying to learn how to use it. Seriously, that's it.
Because you spend the better part of the day begging for help with extremely basic C++ problems, and you get angry when anyone actually tries to help you
Welcome to my ignore list. I'm heading off to bed
So then why are we arguing?
and that's because the implementation is stuck in a C interface that nobody's willing to change
21:13
@CheersandhthAlf PyPy is supposed to be fairly fast
Haven't really used it myself
@Pubby No idea
I've never seen anyone act so irrationally weird at someone just trying to learn something
@AgainstASicilian did you read the docs? GMP in C++ is very easy to use
@AgainstASicilian DeadMG, Jalf, and Alf are very argumentative, sorry about that.
@MooingDuck Yes, I've read them. They do not address the issue I am having specifically
@AgainstASicilian what is the issue you are having specifically?
the question you linked to was answered
@Mooing I declared an array of mpz_t's but apparently mpz_t's aren't what I need (unsure why specifically), so I am trying mpz_class. But it seems like a lot of the arithmetic operators mpz_t has are not present in mpz_class. Furthermore, I am trying to declare an array of these things but they're crashing at runtime
21:15
it looks like he's using some C++ interface that's generating a TMP expression representation, that fails to convert to his chosen type
@against: just try out some examples from the documentation. there should be some
end of story
@AgainstASicilian as you've been told three times, mpz_t is a C-struct. Do not use it in C++ code. Use mpz_class instead. mpz_t doesn't have operators, because it's just a struct, whereas they are all automatically magically built into mpz_class
@AgainstASicilian use mpz_class exactly as if it were a float, but has infinite range.
I don't know what a C-sturct is
I thought C++ just sort of builds off C?
@AgainstASicilian thats exactly why you shouldn't be touching it
@AgainstASicilian "sort of".
Could anyone expand on the earlier assertion that if you don't know C and C++ libraries you don't know C++? I've filled with self-doubt...
@AgainstASicilian You can use the C stuff in C++ code, but it's much much harder, and doesn't gain you anything. Don't do it.
@John that was a claim I disagree with. You can know C++ and not know various libraries
21:18
I don't know why that guy was getting all in my face
@John however, if you don't know what a struct is, the differences between C and C++, nor what a warpper is, you don't know much C++ yet.
@MooingDuck that's good because bada dispensed with most of the stdlib in v1.2
@CheersandhthAlf I can get the examples working, but my code involves more complex examples that are not addressed in the docs (mainly arrays and having the bignums play nice with other datatypes. Also, apparently long longs have even more trouble)
@John well that's just redicuous. I agree that if you don't know the standard library you don't know C++.
@AgainstASicilian That's what she said.
21:19
:P
what is the "standard library"?
@AgainstASicilian just make a array of mpz_class as if it were an array of float.
and that means, use std::vector
@AgainstASicilian It's the C++ library that comes with every conforming C++ compiler.
@CheersandhthAlf he doesn't have a standard library :/
20 mins ago, by jalf
And if you don't know how to use a C or C++ library, then you do not know C++
That was not what jalf said.
Like iostream, cmath, cstdlib, etc?
21:20
@MooingDuck he just said he doesn't know what the standard library is.
@AgainstASicilian yes
Yeah I know those, so what?
@CheersandhthAlf he said bada doesn't have it, so I assumed that applied to him
Just because I don't know the name "standard library"? that's just jargon
@AgainstASicilian vector/unique_ptr?
21:21
yeah, vector
vector, map, algorithm, numeric
if you know vector, why are you doing arrays manually?
because I tried vectors already and they threw even more errors
arrays are simple enough and I don't have to deal with all the iterator/push_back stuff
@AgainstASicilian That might be because you don't know how to use them.
vc2008 lacks a lot of the newer libs, like autoptr but bada SDK especially 1.2 lacks even exceptions!
I know how to use them fine
21:22
@John What.
I don't know how to use them with GMP
My program already works without GMP
i dont know c++ :(
autoptr, oops, I think I meant smartptr, I found the concept too hi-level
@AgainstASicilian you can do the exact same thing with a vector. If you can use an array, you can use a vector. It's not more complicated, it's less complicated.
@John auto_ptr is part of C++98. It's hardly "new".
21:23
@MooingDuck Matter of opinion, but sure
@AgainstASicilian GMP is a C lib. Like any C lib, trying to plug it in standard C++ isn't straight forward.
auto_ptr is sooo new it's even deprecated.
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah
@EtiennedeMartel GMP has a C++ interface.
@AgainstASicilian not matter of opinion. Everything a dynamic array does, a vector does as well. Except you don't ahve to delete it. That's easier. Ergo, vector is objectively easier to use.
21:24
@RMartinhoFernandes So I heard.
@RMartinhoFernandes ok, ok, crikey I do a lot of hours not having to know anything!
Does that means it plays nice with the SL?
@EtiennedeMartel Dunno.
gotta love that fox :L
21:24
@MooingDuck It's harder in terms of syntax, for me. I have to quadruple check that I am typing everything in right before it works correctly. Arrays I rarely have that issue.
Also, sometimes arrays are faster than vectors (less overhead)
I am an awful person
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guess what my first comment was
@AgainstASicilian You shouldn't say such things without providing proof first.
@AgainstASicilian very rarely. Initialization is slightly slower, everything else is the same.
@ScottW what version of Ruby do you have? $ ruby -v
I'm starting to agree with jalf.
21:26
@RMartinhoFernandes That is?
@RMartinhoFernandes that he doesn't know C++?
@KillianDS I've done some timed tests before with different implementations
So, completely off topic, if i throw another network adaptor in my machine, can i use 2 ethernet connections to the interwebs? not at the same time of course but if one dies, enable the other etc?
@AgainstASicilian No. No no no no no.
21:27
vectors are arrays on any implementation that matters.
@EtiennedeMartel initialization slows it down for certain types of tests.
vectors are dynamic arrays
@Timmy Yes, and with the right tools you can even load-balance stuff. Of course, how easy it is to setup depends on your OS and your networking knowledge
@MooingDuck If you initialize it with the right size, and never resize it, then it's as fast as an array.
@Pubby and dynamic arrays are arrays.
Therefore, vectors are arrays.
21:28
@EtiennedeMartel No, vector is not as fast
@EtiennedeMartel Not my point. I am saying in the past, for certain implementations, my array-based approach was more concise and faster in runtime compared to my vector one
@Pubby How so?
One thing I know for sure. This question stackoverflow.com/questions/10971559/… sucks.
@AgainstASicilian Probably because your code sucked.
@EtiennedeMartel Most people's "proof" is initializing an array where each data holds it's own index. A array can do that much faster than a vector, in every implementation I've ever seen.
21:28
The allocation slows it down, and it carries extra data
@KillianDS Awesome, thanks. I might look into that, I have 2 internet connections and one has a lot of downtime and the other is just a terrible speed
@EtiennedeMartel Seeing as my code was the second faster out of all 1500 solvers, try again!
*fastest
@Pubby Without vector you would do that yourself.
Both allocation and that metadata are needed.
It lacks a SSCCE.
@Pubby It carries two extra integers. Big deal. And you'll have to do an alloc anyway with an ordinary dynamic array.
21:29
@AgainstASicilian strive to be first my friend!
std::vector is a dynamically-sized array with no overhead.
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@RadekSlupik No, it's not needed in many cases. vector is a general purpose container, but obviously not the most optimized one.
@AgainstASicilian and what was the competition :P?
@KillianDS Project Euler
@Pubby What?
21:31
@EtiennedeMartel ?
How can you make a standard vector faster?
(aside from making it cache aware, of course)
i'd summon luke skywalker and demand he 'use the force;
@EtiennedeMartel Use better allocation methods than allocators (although I suppose the implementation could do this) and don't duplicate data
wait a second, are you saying that ever since std::vector was introduced, nobody bothered to optimize it to be really fast in their compilers?
But we're talking about pointless gains
21:33
excuse my random comments guys, i have little understanding of your debate so im observing to learn :)
@Pubby They become very huge gains for large scale iteration
That is one of the huge revelations of PE
@Pubby The default allocator juste calls operator new.
An implementation that works great for low N will completely fall apart and become untenable molasses for high N
@Timmy we have lots of skilled people here who also make random comments, you're fine
@AgainstASicilian PE?
21:35
@EtiennedeMartel The only thing I've been messing with is parallellised construction, but that's a real PITA to get right (virtually impossible generic due to exceptions).
Project Euler
programming/math challenge site
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, I wasn't sure if they could change that or not
@AgainstASicilian @you realize that std::vector<int> A; A[10] compiles to exactly the same code as as int B; B[10] right?
@stdOrgnlDave There's nore to its usage than that; they operate differently
@AgainstASicilian how so?
21:36
@stdOrgnlDave no it doesn't. Oh wait, well, in certain cases....
@AgainstASicilian I'd really like to see some proof for that, I don't think vectors have more overhead then some counters, which are O(1) in terms of storage. And the reallocation issues you can solve with a call to resize or reserve.
@Pubby Basically, a vector is as fast as allocating an array with new.
@MooingDuck give me a case that it doesn't
@EtiennedeMartel plus initialization
Except you don't have to mess around with memory management, so it's a plus.
21:37
@stdOrgnlDave you mean aside from the fact that doesn't even come close to compiling?
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah
$ cat foo.c++
#include <iostream>
#include <gmpxx.h>

int main() {
    mpz_class a[] = { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 };
    mpz_class count = 7;
    count -= a[3];
    std::cout << "count is " << count << "\n";
}
$ g++ foo.c++ -lgmpxx -lgmp
$ ./a.out
count is 3
$
@KillianDS I can't show proof without spoiling solutions unfortunately, but problem 344 is a good example. My C++ implementation for that one using vectors is slower than my array-based solution (dynamic programming solution using memoized combinatorics)
@MooingDuck new[] calls constructors for non primitive types, IIRC.
@MooingDuck obviously I was oversimplifying
21:37
@AgainstASicilian You need to provide better examples in your question.
Fucking GMP's C++ interface works perfectly fine with arrays.
You're doing something else wrong.
@AgainstASicilian You should perfectly be able to reproduce the issue without spoiling your solution, if it is a real issue.
rofl at that edit
I'm -1ing the question now.
wait where's the question
@RMartinhoFernandes If it worked fine, it wouldn't crash. What I provided was the part that is crashing.
@AgainstASicilian You didn't. The part you provided doesn't crash.
Get a damn SSCCE and we can talk.
@AgainstASicilian sscce.org
@RMartinhoFernandes ...... it does. I used cin.get() to isolate it
I don't care.
@AgainstASicilian just because it crashes on that line does not mean the bug is on that line. The lines you showed us work perfectly fine
21:41
3 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
$ cat foo.c++
#include <iostream>
#include <gmpxx.h>

int main() {
    mpz_class a[] = { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 };
    mpz_class count = 7;
    count -= a[3];
    std::cout << "count is " << count << "\n";
}
$ g++ foo.c++ -lgmpxx -lgmp
$ ./a.out
count is 3
$
That is exactly the part that crashes and the program's been isolated to that one area explicily
Gimme a foo.c++ I can compile and see the problem.
That code does not work for my purposes
That is explicitly defined
21:41
Otherwise, just shut the fuck up.
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@RMartinhoFernandes No begging!
@RMartinhoFernandes Ah, that sounds more like it!
ROBOT RAGE
@AgainstASicilian the problem as you wrote it is unsolvable, sorry. You'd have to figure out which line has the bug, not the line with the crash.
@RMartinhoFernandes there is always ignore
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I have, BTW, the feeling that by now basically all of the regulars had this feeling towards @Against. Why is that?
21:42
NO idea.
I'm just trying to learn GMP
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@MooingDuck Ow, c'mon! Don't you try to poison this discussion with reason and logic!
@sbi Because he posted an unanswerable question.
@AgainstASicilian you're missing a fundamental tennet of programming. Where the code crashes doth not equal where the code hath a bug.
> Construct an mpz_class. All the standard C++ types may be used, except long long and long double, and all the GMP C++ classes can be used.
There's the explanation for your long long problem, straight from the docs.
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@MooingDuck One? Really? I mean, I have no idea what the question was, but I bet it's not the one that made me drop out of the discussion a while ago. And only about an hour ago, @jalf asked why he should even bother. And now the robot.
21:44
You need to make a string out of a long long to convert it to a GMP value.
40 mins ago, by Mooing Duck
@AgainstASicilian Documentation on how to use the GMP C++ classes is here: http://gmplib.org/manual/C_002b_002b-Class-Interface.html#C_002b_002b-Class-Interface by the way
I've advertised my C++ skill as advanced and just realised it's been 10 months since I fired up VC2008 and 3 months since I used C++ without any standard libraries. I've an interview tomorrow.
And to convert to double you need to use get_d
if i write a win32 gui app to list all my movie files...would that constitute to learning C or C++? :O
@RMartinhoFernandes pastebin.com/2LBpMLp9 as I stated in my original question
21:46
All that took me how long to figure out reading the fucking documentation?
@sbi he posted two that I saw
@John write std::vector
@AgainstASicilian Use mpz_class. People told you that before.
@Timmy depends on how you write it
21:46
You're a help vampire.
I already know all this now; mpz_class, have to work around long longs, etc
Stop jumping down my throat already, guys
What is wrong with you?
you're stupid you are insisting the help we are giving is wrong
@MooingDuck well Im aiming to learn some good skills with writing C++ xD
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21:47
@AgainstASicilian No, that is the wrong question. When everybody is jumping down your throat, you will have to ask what is wrong with you.
@AgainstASicilian you haven't shown that you heard a word you said. Also, we're encountering you one at a time
hey guys can you tell me how to spell my name? i wish to suck your good nature
@Timmy that's not helpful :/
@AgainstASicilian Same for mpz_t.
@sbi I'm just trying to understand why my code wasn't working. I posted a question on SO and got some answers. For some reason, people here keep hammering on it?
21:48
You can construct an mpz_class from an mpz_t anyway.
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@AgainstASicilian When everybody is jumping down your throat, you will have to ask what is wrong with you.
There's constructor that does that and it is even in the docs.
@AgainstASicilian if you want people not to ignore you, just move on if your question is answered
@sbi You.... already said that. Are you a bot?
@AgainstASicilian that's @RMartinhoFernandes
21:49
@MooingDuck Apologies, what im interested in is what sort of techniques should i be using for the program to be less C-style, more C++ ...Im thinking lots of objects and little pointers
@stdOrgnlDave I did move on. People here keep bringing it up for some reason
FOR YOUR REFERENCE @RMartinhoFernandes why didn't you link? slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires
@Timmy Yes, that's the idea.
@stdOrgnlDave I did.
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@AgainstASicilian If you ask the same question over and over, you are bound to get the same answer. — At least as long as the other side is patient enough.
I didn't ask a question over and over
21:50
@Timmy right
@AgainstASicilian I brought it up to shut you up by giving you all the solutions.
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@AgainstASicilian Well, you did ask the same question twice, and got the same answer twice. What else did you expect?
@RMartinhoFernandes sorry, I missed it, your robotic skills are too fast for a mhere human
@AgainstASicilian you should change username and come back as a new man (or woman, if thats your thing)
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0xDEADBEEF is a good username
21:51
@AgainstASicilian because your comments on the question from 10 minutes ago show that you still haven't listened to what we've been saying.
@mooingDuck I listened loud and clear. The current challenge is to get it working with long longs. What is your problem now?
sometimes on here I really, really miss being able to wield the banhammer
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@Timmy He already did exactly that the other day, after pissing everybody off by using the username "Feeds", and the real Feeds user's avatar — according to him accidentally.
@AgainstASicilian that your question doesn't show closure. Your question still shows that you are confused and lost and need help.
@AgainstASicilian I already answered that.
It's all in the transcript.
21:53
@MooingDuck Well yes the problem is still there; it needs to be adjusted to work with long longs. I'm not confused about that, nor am I confused about using mpz_class vs. mpz_t. Again, I don't know why people are drudging this up over and over.
I guess I can write it up in an answer on the question and get a Reversal badge or something.
@AgainstASicilian Because you don't go away.
@RMartinhoFernandes Then stop bringing it up... just a thought.
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, you could. Or you could work on something more constructive, like finding a cure for AIDS.
I think I need some popcorn.
@ScarletAmaranth I think I need my trusty flamethrower.
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21:54
Well, I've had it now.
@ScarletAmaranth Handed out my popcorn about an hour ago, didn't see it again :(
@EtiennedeMartel Your Phlogistonator?! :)
I haven't been plonked by @sbi yet, so I consider myself lucky.
RPM - Rabbits Per Minute
21:55
@ScarletAmaranth Hmmmmpph!
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@EtiennedeMartel It's not a question of luck.
hey guys let's make a better use of our time than talking to @AgainstASicilian. how's the weather where you are?
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I'm going to go play Tribes Ascend. that's a better use of my time.
rain rain rain -_-
@stdOrgnlDave I think starting into ceiling would be too :)
21:56
hopefully you have learned never go to against a Sicilian!
@sbi I know. Still felt like saying that would be a good idea.
@AgainstASicilian Does that make you a racist person?
nope, just Sicilian and proud
stop flagging, folks
just relax, take it easy
noob question: every time i launch VS10 for a new project its set to use unicode char set, any way i can have the default as "not set" ?
i long ago gave up on managing defaults for visual studio
they have made it harder and harder to do
21:58
@Timmy Create an "Win32 console project", and check "empty project".
@Timmy I've never considered it worth changing manually, but I don't use TCHAR.
I long gave up on Visual Studio.
they apparently want people to use it in only one way, which i think must be the way that they've tested
i think @JerryCoffin would know though
@EtiennedeMartel Aye thats what i did but the character set is unicode, except i selected windows application as its a winapi gui app

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