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13:00
@rubenvb protect doesn't stop that
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@sehe It doesn't work this way.
@jjinguy: Thanks for stepping in! — sbi 23 secs ago
@sehe you can @notify him in a comment on the question itself though since he's an editor now
@jjinguy: Thanks for stepping in! — sbi 1 min ago
self-destructing comments!
@awoodland mmm. How does it work when I get the notifications, then? I do get notified when there has been a mention in a chatroom - even one that I'm not actively in.
is there a encyclopaedic smart pointer question?
13:03
@sehe in chat "ones I've been in recently" for some definition of recent allow notifications I think
@sbi The thing with that is that it taints the question as 'problematic' again. The nice thing of it not having comments, is that it removes the reference to 'arguing'
@awoodland Oh. Nice complex 'grace period' type functionality they have on SE in general :)
@rubenvb Yeah, I believe one has been made
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@sehe That is true. OTOH, it's been edited by a mod and there's a deleted answer for 10k users to see. I'll give Jinguy a few more secs and then delete the comment.
@sbi Fine with me :)
@rubenvb Ah, I get it now :)
@sehe I believe this duplicate marking will be helpful: stackoverflow.com/questions/10932232/…
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Oh, Justin nuked my comment before I could. Should I point it out in a comment to him that I was about to do that myself anyway? :)
13:06
@sbi Nope. See his comment
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@sehe Whose?
@sbi Wherese?
@sbi The other one that selfdestructed at the same time, describing how these messages were slated to selfdestruct.
Now don't come whining that you get a head-ache from all this selfreferential stuff, because you asked for it
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Nothing cries "problematic question!" quite like a user name "leavingSO" with 1 rep and a suspension note on his user page plus the 22nd revision being done by a mod.
@sehe I have no idea what you are talking about.
@sbi Pay attention :)
7 mins ago, by rubenvb
self-destructing comments!
^ that was a reaction to jjnguy's comment!
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13:10
@sehe I saw that, but dismissed it because I have no idea what it referred to.
@sbi But noone pays attention to any of that (except the 1 pt rep)
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@sehe Oh, he commented, too? I missed that.
Seems you did. For about 5 minutes :)
@sbi FWIW He mentioned being 'sad to have to do this' and then explaining self-destruct on these messages
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@sehe Ow c'mon! The one rep, the user name, and a mod being the last editor stand out like a needle from a chair cushion.
For you. For me. Not so much for 99% of the SO audience. Get real :)
Anyways, the Q is +3 now
user784668
13:11
lol
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@sehe The thing is, I even reloaded that page after @ruben said this, but there was no comment for me to be seen.
user784668
@sbi That's because slow ape is slow.
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26 mins ago, by rubenvb
I listen closely when a gorilla turns his head and speaks to me.
You better behave, too!
13:13
Oops, a candidate mod is 'harassing' a member of the electorate in chat rooms. I validated the flag
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@sehe What?
He's looking for souls
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@sehe What? Where?
pun
My behavior is not influenced by the presence of certain individuals and I take pride in that.
13:14
@Fanael Well I validated the flags - didn't keep the link
@sehe Linky please!
user784668
@sehe I'm staying out of that flag!
> I listen closely when a gorilla slowly turns his head and speaks to me, slowly.
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in કેઝ્યુઅલ ચેટ-Casual Chat, 18 mins ago, by Lucifer
and I am expecting a vote from you @Neha
13:14
Oooh.
@sbi Yeah that one and another in similar vein
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@sehe See this.
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This kind of thing makes me want to cry: stackoverflow.com/questions/10932479/…
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And 15mins after the edit war ended, an answer came in.
@sbi damn, too late... just wanted to post that.
13:18
Now we close it as "not a real question" :D
Ahem
Wow. I knew someone would have seen this problem before. Answers like this are a tribute to how the site works. +1 — sehe 5 secs ago
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@Neil LOL!
@rubenvb You had almost two hours to do that!
@sbi wut? The answer was written 7 minutes ago...
user784668
@rubenvb The question was asked 2 hours ago.
@rubenvb The ape is really good at misdirecting antecedent references in language. Sometimes I feel he does it on purpose, though. He seems to be implying you could have posted the answer before.
13:23
@Fanael It seems you both misunderstand me. I was just about to post here that an answer to the war-question was posted...
@rubenvb Look at how "damn, too late... just wanted to post that" [answer?] is slightly ambiguous if you really want to see it
@sehe I would've posted the damn answer if I knew its contents before I would have written it.
@rubenvb Well, that's obvious. Which is why I say "Sometimes I feel he does it on purpose, though" - sometimes might be rather frequent :)
You're being trolled by a 500lbs gorilla
I'm being gorilla'd, the African version of being trolled.
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Just be glad you're still alive
13:27
Someone star that. It's a good joke.
@sehe When a 500lbs gorilla trolls you, you must get trolled. Period.
@rubenvb What the heck, it made me smile.
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@sehe I fail to see how I was obtuse here. Two hours after the question was posted, an answer is given. And @ruben, who had just wasted the previous two hours on fiddling with that question, complains he was just about to post the same answer. I am sorry, but I don't think it's me who's trolling here.
@sbi you misunderstood what I meant to say, nothing more.
@sbi Pretty sure @rubenvb meant that he was just about to post "Hey, look, answer!" like you did.
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@SamDeHaan Slaps forehead. Damn. I really, really, really, didn't get that.
13:29
@sbi It's my second Meh-Meh situation with you today.
@sbi Please read the respective things that have been said about that. Yes, it sometimes seems you have made misreading references like that into an art form. I'm not saying you are doing it on purpose. I'm saying it was obvious that @rubenvb meant something else, though.
@ScottW I fixed the Markdown issue.
@sbi you should have stuck with the gorilla'ing. Saved face. No facepalms etc...
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@sehe I freely admit that I enjoy doing that. But I was not doing it here. And it wasn't obvious at all... to me.
@rubenvb I don't have much problems with admitting being wrong.
@sbi Ah grmmmmble - whatever :)
13:30
@sbi Yes you do! Oh, you admitted it.. Nvm.
@sehe He hasn't the slightest idea why either. He probably thinks he made one of the most well-written answers in all his life.
@sehe I need to use the <sarcasm> tag better.
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@Neil If I am having problems admitting I am wrong, then I am being wrong, and I have no problems admitting that.
@SamDeHaan Not really, please
@sbi You, sir, are a better man than I. I'm pretty bad at that.
@SamDeHaan Removed the link in case anyone misinterprets it that way.
13:33
@Neil sbi is better than anyone.
@sbi I think I'm gonna have a head-ache now
@RadekdaknokSlupik Who is better than a 500lbs gorilla? Nobody! That's who.
Spent 6 hours in the city. Long drive home. Tired. Need moar bedtime.
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@Neil Ridiculous! 4.1k isn't even a tenth of my rep.
@SamDeHaan Yeah. I wasn't afraid of that. But as with most jokes, they are funny because there is an element of truth: It could be true. Enough reason to remove the reference. This questino has been 'gamed' quite enough
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13:34
@sehe You deserved that!
Zing!
That was unexpected
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@sehe Damn, are you an owner of the bin? How dare you!
I can't flag deletion of a message for "censorship"?
I'm going to ask that question on Meta :P
What's more powerful than God, yet more evil than the devil? Most children get this right, while most adults don't, interestingly enough.
@rubenvb But who will watch the watchmen?
user784668
13:37
@Neil Only people who don't know how SO works think that way. Since he's <1k, it's likely he doesn't know that.
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Oh, now the robot appears. He's missed the party!
@sbi The man who deletes all his messages is owner of the bin?!
@sbi Not only that, but I was also sitting there waiting with the message admin pointer for it to come in :)
@RadekdaknokSlupik It's my habitat
@Fanael I know, that was my point. :)
@Neil And it seems like a good answer indeed. One of those that takes recognizing it. And he aced the description of the required versions of VS. That is well done indeed.
13:39
@sbi What party?
Woot, I'm 40k+.
user784668
2 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
This is pissing me off.
@sehe Right, well, do you really think he would have gotten so many upvotes had it been a normal answer to a normal question without incident?
@Neil Nope. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he shouldn't be considered delusional if he thinks he just wrote a good/awesome answer. He did.
13:40
I didn't expect anyone to leave the site over this.
I stopped caring about it after I downvoted.
@sehe True, and he deserves the upvotes. Just making a keen observation. ;)
Time to adapt my GI solver to a new method based on VPLs and few bounce rtracing. C++ is going to have my head for this one. If not C++, then the BRDFs.
@RMartinhoFernandes Nah I don't think anyone is leaving SO over this. I think this is more likely what will happen:
1 hour ago, by Neil
@rubenvb Lets answer his question and upvote him! That'll show him!
The guy might learn how SO works. After all, he's getting the answer he was looking for.
Positive reinforcement works. Rule #1 of child-rearing
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@Neil Then again, I thought I understand how SO works, but then my troll answer got accepted.
13:43
I prefer not caring. Natural selection does the rest. (In this case, you seem to be that "natural selection" thing)
@sehe I was being cynical before but I agree. In fact I didn't downvote anything.
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@sehe ...works much better than punishment!
Artificial selection, yarr.
@Fanael Learn from Cicada's mistake. She always writes troll comments, not troll answers. :P
@Neil I knew it when I had read the question. It is a relevant question. And one that someone else likely encountered before. Classic SO material:
2 hours ago, by sehe
@sbi Why so vengeful? Wouldn't it be okay if he just learned?
13:45
@DomagojPandža Artificial intelligence beats natural stupidity any day.
2 hours ago, by sehe
Quoting myself in the chatroom: "His question looks legitimate and not un-interesting for SO, actually." - As such you can be prevented from deleting a valuable question. Read the SO terms and FAQ. Your question is owned by the SO community. — sehe 34 secs ago
@DomagojPandža Lol
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@RMartinhoFernandes In this case a 500lb gorilla was involved. That's quite a naturally selective power to deal with.
@sehe Wow, now you're quoting yourself quoting yourself quoting yourself. Or something like it. Aw, my headaches come back.
@sbi I'm just so happy I spent all that energy for the good cause and it Worked(TM). I'll stop quoting myself now :)
@sbi quoteception
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BTW, why does cplusplus.com suck?
13:49
@Fanael Because they sell vacuum cleaners?
@Neil you don't use adblock?
@sehe Meanwhile, I spent energy eating.
Anyway, thanks for picking up after me.
@Abyx *blink*
@sbi Selective indeed. Strangely, this particular gorilla is one the very rare specimen that doesn't appreciate the tropical regions.
@RMartinhoFernandes :)
@Fanael The forums are awful, those people have no clue, but the reference I never found to be that bad
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13:51
@Neil This was supposed to be a serious question.
@Fanael There is a post on meta, IIRC
@Fanael I wouldn't recommend it as a source of knowledge. A source of laughter, perhaps.
Can anyone help me with a dead-simple ARM assembly question?
@Fanael My apologies. Then the answer is that they do not suck. Web sites do not cause suction because it is entirely virtual.
@Collin I've seen bad examples all over the reference.
13:52
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Q: What's wrong with cplusplus.com?

Kerrek SBThis is perhaps not a perfectly suitable forum for this question, but let me give it a shot, at the risk of being moved away. There are several references for the C++ standard library, including the invaluable ISO standard, MSDN, IBM, cppreference, and cplusplus. Personally, when writing C++ I n...

@JoshPearce I saw that question, but I've only done it on x86
^ @Fanael Programmers.SE actually
To me, any site that has wrong read loops all over the examples sucks automatically.
@Fanael It's full of mistakes and doesn't teach the mandatory stuff like references, exceptions and the standard library.
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@sehe Thanks.
13:52
@DomagojPandža You haven't seen this website yet.
Thanks @awoodland
@RadekdaknokSlupik You're driving soooo much traffic to it.
Why won't w3c create a new version of css that lets you reference properties of other css classes?
@RadekdaknokSlupik Writing a programming is easy. You just need the pointer.
@RadekdaknokSlupik It's not being linked often enough. I think you should be able to raise it's google Page Rank(TM) a little higher if you keep that up :)
13:53
@RMartinhoFernandes I hope the server will crash.
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh, same thought there. Should we bin it?
Man, this piece of code is over engineered. And the guy who made this is not here yet.
@sehe I'm not sure how Googlebot acts on badly written English.
@RadekdaknokSlupik Oh, stop hoping and start coding. I can have a botnet by tomorrow night
This is gonna be a quite productive morning.
13:54
PageRank ain't the only factor. Having a PageRank of 100% still doesn't mean you're on top in the search results.
@RadekdaknokSlupik I know. But it is the only factor determining the Page Rank
Speed, for example, is another factor. As is readability and the placement of ads.
Google is for pussies who still haven't found what they're looking for.
@RadekdaknokSlupik And the click patterns. Google will detect when you come back to search for more soon after visiting the site
I guess Google puts pages higher in the search results if they use AdSense.
13:55
@JoshPearce looks like you're missing a pop perhaps?
@RadekdaknokSlupik I doubt it. That will surely unleash the hounds of anti-monopoly institutions
@awoodland Something like that; ARM (non-thumb) doesn't have pop though
How did I use the internet before search engines? I honestly don't remember..
@JoshPearce +1 for saying assembly and not assembler!
@JoshPearce e.g. here blogs.arm.com/software-enablement/… they push lr and then pop it back to the program counter to return before the end
so something might be clobbering it?
13:59
@RadekdaknokSlupik Ah, an infinite source of confusion for a lot of people.
@JoshPearce I'll ask someone who might know :)

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