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Xeo
12:03 PM
@sehe Just... wow.
@sehe I really just want to flag the OPs last comment as "offensive" - it's offensive to any sane programmer and sanity itself. Aswell as common sense
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@Xeo :)
 
12:19 PM
The entire point of references is that they are safe (or at least much safer than pointers). I guess that our best friend @stefan bachert could better go use C.
Meh I'm bored to death.
 
@gandhigcpp Logging? Bugs? I hope they didn't burrow too deeply into the trees, it will destroy the quality of the wood.
 
has any of you guys tried std::thread::hardware_concurrency?
 
12:35 PM
YMMV :D
 
@Potatoswatter getting 0 on ideone doesn't surprise me
it didn't work on my local machine either that's why I am asking if somebody had success with it
 
Unfortunately I can't run any C++11 at the moment because GCC failed to make install when I updated to 4.8
 
Try clang?
 
But almost every platform has an API for hardware_concurrency to call through to, so in the long run it should work.
 
well yeah, there is this great answer stackoverflow.com/a/150971/893693
 
12:38 PM
Under the hood, GCC has a labyrinth of default and override functions that implement a platform's particular support
 
12:57 PM
yay, silver C++ badge
 
1:08 PM
@rubenvb Nice.
 
2:06 PM
@bamboon Would processors resulting from hyperthreading be considered as a valid case for hardware_concurrency?
 
@KillianDS yeah
 
2:23 PM
@KillianDS did you try it?
 
@bamboon Yeah, 0 with gcc, will look to vs later when I do a reboot to windows
 
ok cool
 
2:45 PM
Wow
Anyone here
 
yaeeeayh!
 
Lol sweet.. this room is rarely empty.
Can you tell me how to access a particular bit?
1 -> 0000 0001
So how do I loop through the bits that make up one?
I have a feeling 1&0xf or something.. but Not sure
 
Easiest is to use std::bitset.
 
Nah.. I don't want to use that.
I won't learn anything if I use that.
 
do you know the different bit operators?
like & | etc?
 
2:50 PM
Yeah
 
then take a 1 and shift it to the position you want to operate on
 
So shift the bits left by 1 I thought of that as well
But I can't print that bit
or access it.
No ideas then?
 
you can like I just said
take a 1 and then & it with the position you wanna know
 
@LewsTherin You won't learn anything? It's a very thin wrapper. If you're curious, just look at the source to std::bitset::operator[]. But you can also perform the usual bitwise operations on it, just to experiment and reimplement your own operator[].
 
@bamboon Yeah it works
@Potatoswatter I will have a look at it then. Why not?
int a = 1 ;
	int pos = 128 ;
	while(pos>0)
	{
		printf("%d",  a&pos) ;
		pos= pos >> 1 ;
	}
Why is it printing 8 bits?
Maybe because I started from 128..
 
3:06 PM
128 is the most signficant bit in an 8-bit value, so that's the right way to print a byte.
 
replacing 128 with 2147483648 isn't printing the 32bits
It isn't even entering the breakpoint
Oh overflow
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Hi, is there anyone who has tried devexpress control
 
3:31 PM
@LewsTherin Is that an explanation or an expletive?
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3:42 PM
@bamboon visual studio 2011 beta gives eight for me (i7 quadcore with hyperthreading)
 
@KillianDS yeah that is what it's supposed to be
 
uhu
 
@KillianDS haven't heard of a successfull gcc result yet
 
@bamboon in what context would that be?
 
@sehe running std::thread::hardware_concurrency
 
3:45 PM
@bamboon aha - thx
 
  unsigned int
  thread::hardware_concurrency() noexcept
  {
    int __n = _GLIBCXX_NPROCS;
    if (__n < 0)
      __n = 0;
    return __n;
  }
 
@Potatoswatter An explanation.. had to make the int unsigned.
 
sbi
@jalf Voted to delete.
@daknok_t Actually, IIRC, they were introduced in order to allow operator overloading. That is hard to do when pointers are the only means of pass-by-reference.
 
@bamboon Apparently the intent is that you supply your own _GLIBCXX_NPROCS for now (gcc.gnu.org/ml/libstdc++/2011-11/msg00017.html)
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter Sometimes an expletive explains it all...
 
3:53 PM
@Potatoswatter ah ok thanks
to be honest, these mailing lists confuse me very hard
 
4:38 PM
Hello. I'm Ravika. I want to learn more about programming in c++ like File Compression and Decompression (which 7-zip does), Image Manipulation (which GIMP does) and many more. I don't want to learn how these programs work but I want to know how they handle files, how can we do the same in c++.
 
sbi
@RavikaJain In order to learn C++, you will need to pick up a good book, and work your way through it. I am not kidding. You can learn Java or C# by jumping right in and starting to program, but most people who try the same with C++ fail.
To answer your question anyway, files are handled in C++ through IO streams using file stream buffers. If that is too slow (rarely ever, because usually the disk the slowest link in the chain) you will need to directly use the OS's APIs.
 
5:08 PM
I wonder if deadmg will ever come back
 
sbi
@bamboon Is there a reason to doubt?
 
@sbi well since jalf drove him away, he really didn't come back
 
sbi
@bamboon He drove him away? When was that?
Oh, you mean this?
 
@sbi exactly
 
sbi
I doubt that really drove him away. He's probably at his parents over the Easter holidays.
 
5:10 PM
@sbi makes sense
 
Nothing drives the puppy away.
 
sbi
You won't get rid of the grumpy puppy that easily.
:)
Any beer drinkers here? Have you heard of Schorschbock 57? That's a beer that has 57.5% alc. I am not kidding you. And the brewer stuck to the German "Reinheitsgebot", allowing only hops, barley malt, and water. Unfortunately, all the 43 bottles made of it are already reserved, so you won't be able to taste it, even if you'd be willing to spend the €200 on a bottle.
 
hmmm interesting
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Why was I expecting you to be interested in this. :)
 
because I'm Belgian :)
 
sbi
5:31 PM
Someone flagged an April Fool's day joke in the JS room from a week ago. What are those people thinking?
 
they write JS, nuff said
 
sbi
haha!
 
@sbi i think i inadvertently validated it
:(
sorry
unclear mind
 
sbi
Do Not Use Go for 32bit Development http://j.mp/Ihvj2i
 
I can't believe that Kernighan or whoever it was of them old guys, added requirement of half a gigabyte initial block of memory
Uh, Pike & Thompson
^ Googled it
 
5:40 PM
Does anyone happen to know about electrical engineering?
 
@KianMayne depends on the level
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf "I agree with Rob Pike that..." :)
@KianMayne Of course! There must be hundreds of thousands of electrical engineers in this world.
 
hi all!
 
5:57 PM
Can I catch an exception by reference and follow up by throwing a different exception that stores a reference to the original exception? Or will the lifetime of the original exception expire in the first catch block?
 
@StackedCrooked yes, you can move the original, and that's what the C++11 support is baed on
The C++11 scheme is not supported by Visual C++ 10.0 however
And Visual C++ 10.0's support for exception_ptr is rudimentary
 
Ok, and simply storing a C++98 const reference won't work I assume?
 
By the way, the move thing is the reason why best practice is now to catch by T&, not T const&. :-)
^ According to me.
If I were Scott Meyers I'd write an article about it and be famous.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked That only extends the lifetime of a temp to the lifetime of the reference's scope. If the reference is at class scope, this won't help you at all.
 
6:02 PM
Just look up std::nested_exception if you're using g++ only.
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf Haha, no you wouldn't! He did not become famous by writing articles, but by combining a few dozen of them into a set of rules.
 
@CheersandhthAlf Moving doesn't solve slicing problems I think.
 
@StackedCrooked No, it solves the O(n^2) complexity problem for exception propagation. But with C++11 exception_ptr you don't even have that. I think, but I'm distracted by Someone.
 
To give some context: I'm currently reading the documentation for the boost exception library. In the motivation section exception wrapping is dissed because of slicing problems among other reasons.
 
sbi
ISTR an early draft of C++98 specifying a clone method for exceptions. ICBWT.
 
6:08 PM
A clone method might be not so bad IMO.
 
Well I think I've given enough pointers and there's much noise & distraction around here, so
 
6:31 PM
Just wondering, is there a policy against asking "challenge questions" for fun?
 
Not that I know of. Johannes often posts challenge questions.
 
I came across a very awesome question in a student discussion. I'm trying to get my classmate to ask it on SO so I can answer it. But I might just post it myself and answer it myself if I don't get the correct answer in an hour.
Johannes has 95 questions, care to point out which of them is a "challenge" question?
 
ah, cool
I clearly don't have a lot of "legitimate" questions to ask. So this might be the only chance I have at getting some of the question badges.
 
6:56 PM
Hello people.
 
7:49 PM
Anyone know why DetourAttach might hang?
 
Looks like we have a new candidate for the highest voted unanswered question:
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Q: C code loop performance [continued]

Dan LeakinThis question continues on my question here (on the advice of Mystical): C code loop performance Continuing on my question, when i use packed instructions instead of scalar instructions the code using intrinsics would look very similar: for(int i=0; i<size; i+=16) { y1 = _mm_load_ps(o...

 
@Mysticial answer it and farm some rep
 
You think I didn't try? :P
lol
 
@sehe Ehm... your code doesn't compile... ?? are strange symbols I think
 
8:04 PM
@bamboon I answered the OP's first question - and got plenty of upvotes for that one. He asked a new one - which I didn't know the answer. So I made him ask it in a separate question - which has accumulated 23 upvotes by now... lol
 
@unNaturhal enable trigraphs:
> If trigraphs are enabled, they are replaced by their corresponding single characters. By default GCC ignores trigraphs, but if you request a strictly conforming mode with the -std option, or you specify the -trigraphs option, then it converts them.
@sbi lol
 
sbi
Wow, @sehe, did you just admit to using trigraphs?! Then we certainly will have to meet one day! I have never met anyone who uses those beasts. There's so much I want to ask you!
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@sbi lol. Well, the objective was obfuscation. That is one of the few goals they serve well
 
@sbi we are brothers? She's also my mom!
 
Announcement: Visual C++ is not standard conforming. It doesn't implement trigraphs.
 
sbi
8:13 PM
@daknok_t You're an ape, too?
 
1 ??! 2;

error C2059: syntax error : '?'
 
@Potatoswatter Neologism of the day: expletation (or: explanive?)
 
@sbi I'm a human, more developed.
 
sbi
@daknok_t You think you're one of the more developed humans? You wish!
 
evening
 
sbi
8:15 PM
And there's the puppy back!
 
@Mysticial For you, /Zc (/Zc:trigraphs)
@DeadMG ohai
 
man
I hadn't realized how crappy my planes question was until Oli pointed it out
 
@sehe dammit...
 
@Mysticial I will. But where to start
 
@DeadMG snakes on planes?
 
8:17 PM
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Q: Frustum intersection code returns bad value

DeadMGI'm implementing some frustum-related code, and the culling test returns nothing even when there are many visible objects. My mathematical support library does not provide plane support or anything like that, so much of this code is written from scratch with little available testing. If you have ...

 
sbi
@DeadMG Maybe this is a good moment to reflect how you react to other posting suboptimal questions? :-/
 
It is always a good moment to reflect.
Edit: Actually, I'm quite sure that isn't true
 
hmph
it's not posting the odd inappropriate or bad question that I complain about, it's the serial offenders that get me
 
sbi
@sehe That's absolutely wrong. There are very bad moments to reflect.
 
@sbi See edit
 
8:19 PM
jalf said that I was being a dick, and I was, but honestly, if that guy had paid attention when I was being nice, it wouldn't have been necessary
still, ultimately, you were right and I shouldn't have taken him off my ignore list :P
 
sbi
@sehe Damn, you weaseled out of that one. I should know better than to post before the 2mins period is over.
 
Here's a borderline question for ya:
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Q: C++: Is it bad to use global variables that are pointers to instantiations of single-instance-only classes?

NantucketIn my program, I've got a bunch of classes that will only ever have one created instance for the duration of the program. They are created only once on initialization, and destroyed only once on closing. These classes all tend to present really broad functionality that is used by many different ...

 
I guess I just wanted to offer that you don't have to wait for a confrontational moment to start reflecting.
 
Is that type of question better for programmers.SE?
 
sbi
@DeadMG Actually I was with you on this. ("The guy might be beyond niceties.")
 
8:21 PM
yeah
well, I should just get into the habit of ignoring people
 
sbi
@DeadMG Ultimately, I am right, yeah. Tell us something new. :)
 
I keep forgetting that you can do that this place
 
@Mysticial This is so about the evilties of singletons and globals without explicitely naming half of the culprits :)
 
sbi
@sehe I never said you'd have to. I said "this might be a good moment" to reflect.
 
@sbi I'm aware of that. I, in turn, did never say I was correcting anything you said. I was mainly complementing something you said with a bit of meta advice from my own experience.
@sbi I guess my habit of responding to messages makes the message seem more directed to you than how I intended it.
 
sbi
8:24 PM
@sehe I never said you ever said I said that you said.... Wait. Damn, I think I overshot this one.
 
@sbi I saw that coming :) lol
 
sbi
@sehe Everyone always insists on having seen it coming after it happened.
@DeadMG Wouldn't that be somewhat out of habit for a doggy, hm?
 
woof woof
but it would be the better idea
 
@sehe Sory but, why exist trigraphs?
 
@unNaturhal for people who have moronic keyboards.
 
sbi
8:28 PM
@unNaturhal Basically, they exist for historical reasons.
 
@unNaturhal Portability. Some charsets/ keyboards might not (readily) accomodate all the characters involved in standard C/C++ syntax. (yes I wrote C/C++ there. And it was appropriate)
 
I don't believe that they exist for any reason except backwards compatibility
those character sets which didn't have those characters in are long dead now
they made sense in 1972 but I don't think they have meaning now
 
@DeadMG At this moment, you would look like being right.
 
sbi
@DeadMG I already said so. I thought you were a dog, not a parrot?
 
@sbi not a parrot? not a parrot?
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sbi
8:30 PM
@DeadMG I had to star this. It's just too good.
 
that's me, woof woof
 
But hey, compiler writers couldn't really be allowed to break the implementation of cobfusc
@unNaturhal Only just noticed the nice companion tool cunloop. Adding that yields:
#define q0 putchar
#define q1 q0
#define q2 q3
main()??<int q4??(??)=??<??>;int q5=sizeof(q4)/sizeof(int)-1;q2:??<if(!(q4??(
q5??)!=46))goto q6;??<q0((char)q4??(q5--??));goto q3;??>goto q7;q6:;q1((char)
46);q7:;??>??>
Which is obviously better because it has more gotos :__
 
Trigraphs are just there to increase the WTFeyness of your code. "WTF??!!?!???!"
 
now I need to remember what code it is I need to write that I was writing before I got stuck on that bugarooney
 
@daknokt context:
20 hours ago, by unNaturhal
#define F3CD putchar
#define BA9C F3CD
#define xDC10 here
main(){int z[]={/*A sequence of number from 0 to 127*/};int i=sizeof(z)/sizeof(int)-1;xDC10:if(z[i]!=46){F3CD((char)z[i--]);goto here;}else BA9C((char)46);}
 
sbi
8:33 PM
"WTFeyness"? That's a weird one.
 
I couldn't think of anything better.
 
Really amazing! :Q
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/3212974#3212974
Bwhahahahah
 
what?
 
sbi
-4
Q: Movie about interstellar conflicts

David V. KondorI remember seeing this movie a while back on television. Judging from the hairstyles and accents, I'd say it was probably an American film released in the 1970's. The basic story was about a farm boy that learns how to control things with his mind and eventually defeats the villain (a masked man ...

Haha! And someone suggested Star Trek!
 
@unNaturhal for completeness, you can do the same by running cunloop test.c | cobfusc -A -
 
8:38 PM
@sbi It's funny, I actually had no idea what it was. Then I realized I'd only read half the question.
 
@sehe Maybe I'm a noob (surely), but I haven't understood what cunloop and cobfusc are...
 
@unNaturhal I linked to both manpages. So it is a source-to-source (C to C) conversion tool that basically makes code harder to read. cunloop replace all loop constructs by the equivalent conditionals and goto and cobfusc mangles variable names, strings and even syntax elements (trigraphs)
-4
Q: Movie about interstellar conflicts

dmckeecommented: I'll note that none of these excuses can be made for this question, and suggest the the moderators check the email address and IP's associated with the accounts.

-4
Q: Movie about interstellar conflicts

Keencommented: @dmckee Yes, we're on it.

Are they joking? ^
 
sbi
@sehe Given that they are ruling out excuses for humorous questions, I wouldn't dare asking them whether they are joking.
 
@sehe Very nice!! I found the pages, thanks :D
 
@sbi That's what I'm pondering. I'm on the fence about whether they'd see the irony and tread safely or, see the irony and jump at a chance to wield deletionary powers
 
8:45 PM
Oh hey, IPL4 is on right now.
 
sbi
@sehe AFAICS, they see the question as being humorous, and decide it still out to be closed, and the poster punished.
 
@unNaturhal I just checked, the tools are from 1995/1997 respectively (which, to be honest, is younger than I expected)
@sbi Baffling, isn't it. I mean, as long as it doesn't get upvoted - it should be quite ok
 
sbi
@sehe Why? SO has been humorless for a long time now.
 
@sbi Yes. Baffling, isn't it?
 
sbi
@sehe There's no room for humor in a police state.
 
8:48 PM
Actually, I'm not opposed to humorless SO, but there is the difference between 'not welcoming' it, and 'hunting it down and burning it at the stake')
If the consequence must be that all things will be taken seriously (and, therefore, too seriously) I'd prefer a humorous site. We can still vote for quality.
In fact, I think I had a brainwavelet here: we can attach two kinds of votes: a quality vote and an entertainment vote. So people can just decide what they are looking for, by sorting on one or the other
 
@sehe Why? It isn't youger enough to have an option in GCC xD
 
@unNaturhal ?! I don't see what you are saying (also, no one can see what you are responding to, please see newbie-hints ---->)
 
@sehe In Code::Blocks Compiler option, I can't find an option to set the trygraphs compatibility
 
sbi
@sehe In a democracy everything is allowed that isn't explicitly forbidden. In a police state everything is forbidden that isn't explicitly allowed.
 
45 mins ago, by sehe
> If trigraphs are enabled, they are replaced by their corresponding single characters. By default GCC ignores trigraphs, but if you request a strictly conforming mode with the -std option, or you specify the -trigraphs option, then it converts them.
@unNaturhal: I suggest, std=c99 or similar
 
8:54 PM
@sehe There is this option: -std=c++98
 
@unNaturhal Won't work. You need the strict C modes, I think
 
@sehe Ok, there isn't...
 
@unNaturhal try -ansi?. Anyways, all IDEs will always allow you to manually specify extra commandline options
 
@sehe -ansi found!
:D
@sehe Ehm... If I allow this option, could it cause problems?
 
@unNaturhal Nope, unless slow compilation is a problem (or you use GNU extensions that conflict with ISO C++)
 
8:59 PM
@sehe Yeah, right this :P
@sehe Like what?
 
@unNaturhal You won't run into it if you have to ask. Also, there is google.
 
Right xD
However, the code that you pasted, doesn't work (causes loop)
 
@unNaturhal if you insist ^^ that wasn't too hard to find
@unNaturhal Then fix it you must. It's not my code, remember
 
@sehe Ahahahaah Thank you very much for the patience :P
@sehe Ehm... but mine works xD
 
@sbi Elder, I have compounded my sin by installing Code::Blocks just to make screenshots. How shall I be redeemed?
 
sbi
9:05 PM
@sehe Thou shall have to drink a bottle of beer.
 
@unNaturhal So fix it you must. cobfusc and cunloop are free software. You can use them and see where the problem originates. You might even fix bugs in them :)
 
@sbi "Thou".
Hi.
 
@sbi Thou shalt (I think that is plural imperative?) Anyways, the extra letters compensate for out 'ought' in this one:
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Damn. You come in here, and the first thing you do is make me mistype!
 
@sehe Why this racism against Code::Blocks? xD
 
9:06 PM
@sehe OMG why are you enabling trigraphs?
 
sbi
@sehe I believe "shalt" is ancient.
 
21 mins ago, by sbi
@sehe AFAICS, they see the question as being humorous, and decide it still out to be closed, and the poster punished.
@sbi O good. I thought thou wasn't :) ROFL
@RMartinhoFernandes Scroll up. Or just read the direct response to the starred message. Or ask @unNaturhal
 
I'm not sure I want.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Look at the starboard.
 
(^^ Edits)
I don't understand your outrage over trigraphs in that screenshot. Shouldn't the outrage be about using Code::Blocks?
(just rubbing it in for @unNaturhal)
 
9:09 PM
@sehe Code:Blocks has positive cred in my bank: it comes with -Wall out of the box.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's true. Still, to me it doesn't add a lot of value, and, honestly, the guy was compiling a 5 line piece of code with gcc and couldn't figure out where to put -trigraphs --> point made.
IDEs are toolchain obfuscation
 
@sehe Oh, I won't disagree with you. But I really don't like to berate people for using it.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I find it hard to artificially rant about Code::Blocks anyhow. It has a nice name, too
@RMartinhoFernandes I didn't, really. The first snide remark was to sbi and it had to do with me using it, not others.
unNaturhal made an issue out of it (a racist issue, at that). And I enjoyed feeding that.
 
Hey, @Luc, does using <unordered_map> cause your executables to fail due to missing GLIBCXX 3.7 or something?
 
@sehe ...I was joking...
 
9:16 PM
Oh boy, I'm voting to nuke this.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes No.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, so did I.
 
@unNaturhal Good. O enjoyed it.
 
It's weird. A small test program works fine.
 
9:17 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes I think we all did
 
But if I use my LRU cache, BAM.
 
Ah you meant delete vote, I just added the third
 
@sehe But I'd like to know why you don't like Code::Blocks, and which IDE you use.
 
If I change the std::unordered_map in it to std::map, it works (albeit inefficiently)
Arrgh.
 
@unNaturhal I use visual studio and Monodevelop for .NET, and no IDE for C++ (gVim + make usually).
I don't like it because (a) it doesn't add value (b) it takes time
Note, it doesn't add value _for me_. If I were doing wxWindows or something, that'd be different, possibly.
Also, I'm known to sometimes toy with eclipse CDT to see whether they got any better. Already, the source indexing is nice for browsing new codebases, but I can't bring myself to use a Moloch like that on a daily basis.
 
9:22 PM
hehe, Moloch.
 
Ironically, deleting that question gave him a bit of rep back, I think
 
Bah, I don't care. That nonsense doesn't make the Internet better.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I know. Irony doesn't make me care. I still like the irony
 
    struct base {
        virtual base* clone() const = 0;
        virtual ~base() = default;
    };

    struct derived : public base {
        derived* clone() const override; // is override allowed here?
    };
 
Oh, nice (for gVim). I think that Visual Studio is too... elephantine D:
However, I tried too few IDE to can judge, but I think that Eclipse is elephantine like VS... Too slow. I love light and reactive systems, where I haven't to wait seconds when I click on a button, and that doesn't take 2GB of ram to run...
 
9:26 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes I'd say yes. But I'd have to consult the specs to be sure
 
(of course, I don't know what Moloch means xD)
 
@unNaturhal Good because elephantine isn't on Wikipedia
 
I'd think so too. And it does override. I guess it's just GCC being mean to me.
 
Shit it is so
Elephantine () is an island in the Nile River in northern Nubia. It is a part of the modern city of Aswan, in southern Egypt. There are archaeological sites on the island. Geography Elephantine Island is from north to south, and is across at its widest point. The layout of this and other nearby islands in Aswan can be seen from west bank hillsides along the Nile. The island is located just downstream of the First Cataract at the southern border of Lower Egypt with Upper Egypt and Lower Nubia. This region above is referred to as Upper Egypt due land and river elevations being higher ...
@RMartinhoFernandes It disallows it? That's funny
 
@unNaturhal Moloch is the cruel god that stole the Amulet of Yendor from the gods after the Creation and hid it in the Underworld.
 
It's also some other god in other mythologies, but I'm only familiar with the one from NetHack.
:P
 
italian. I love italian
Food
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Aaaah xD LOL
@sehe It's the best thing that we have...
 
9:43 PM
I love food.
 
food loves me
:P
 
Dun dun dun
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Take it from someone who knows: If you love food long enough, you will learn the very meaning of "elephantine".
 
9:46 PM
Ok, guys, i'm going to be off the chat for a li'l while. I redoing my system on Linux Mint.
Also yanking one of my SSDs to bring it to my work place. I'm so sick and tired of waiting for my PC all the friggin' time. Calls for a little guerilla problem-solving.
 
sbi
@sehe You start with this, you end up paying them for letting you work there.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes gotta love lvm2, I just live-migrated my whole installation volume group onto an external HDD and SATA secure erased my SSDs :)
@sbi Oh, but I'm already paying with my life. I could just as well throw some money at it and be happier in the process
 
Next step: your soul.
 
sbi
@sehe They could just as well throw some money at it and make you happier working for them.
@RMartinhoFernandes Never had a job, huh? (If you don't put your soul into it, look for a new job.)
 
@sbi I intend to show them that throwing money at it helps. I mean, I have 30 colleagues located at the same client. I'm sure I can make them envy me enough to exert some real pressure
 
9:49 PM
@sbi Actually, I had one. Putting your soul into it is not the same as selling your soul for it though.
(And next Tuesday, I'll have another!)
 
sbi
@sehe All you will show them is that you can solve the problem if they don't do it.
 
Also, i'm only throwing about 120 2009-EUR or so at it for now
 
A million euros? WTF?
 
@sbi Nope, I cannot. I can only demonstrate something. This is not a real solution. In fact, it is mutiny.
 
Oooh, blood.
 
9:51 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Reading comprehension killed the cat robot
 
sbi
> And if I sold my soul to you, for a bag of gold, which one of us would be the foolish one? — Connor Oberst
 
So long, good bye
 
sbi
@sehe Well, you will have to get your own experience.
I got mine already. And it's this: make them bleed for the time they steal you. Then they stop doing so.
 
hi is there any mod here?
 
sbi
@Ernest There's no modifications to this chat, It's not an RPG. I think.
 
9:53 PM
i mean a moderator @sbi
 
This is an RPG and you're playing the role of an ape.
 
Many mods hang out in the tavern.
There's also the assembly room somewhere.
 
sbi
@Ernest You'll find them at the assembly:
 
Right, that.
 
sbi
@daknok_t I am an ape. I freely admit it. You are playing the role of a human though, denying your brotherhood.
 
9:54 PM
thanks
 
sbi
Can someone add the chat acronyms to the newbie hints page? Then we wouldn't need two pinned messages.
Well, I mean adding a link to the acronyms to the newbie page, of course.
 
@sbi you mean this?
 

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