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12:00 AM
@newprogrammer: Thats is why if your computer is running slow as shit, getting more RAM is literally the easiest and cheapest way to make it go faster
 
i have 8gb ram so i think im good
killian out of curiousity why do you want to use glload
 
"640K should be enough for everybody" :-)
 
My shit is always running fast…
 
i always thought it was pretty redundant
 
@newprogrammer because I've run into issues with glew before and don't like it
 
12:01 AM
@daknokt: Depending on how fast, you might want to get that checked out. :-P
 
and ive not been able to use glew with the rest of the sdk
have you ever gotten things like glimg to work with glew?
 
The slowest is probably the floppy drive, connected over the network using a cable made of cake.
 
I thought glew was like, industry-standard
 
@daknokt: Naw, the slowest is if you connected that floppy drive over an IP over Avian network
 
Yes, it's widely used, that doesn't make it good though.
 
12:03 AM
is glload better?
 
The evil bit is a fictional IPv4 packet header field proposed in RFC 3514, a humorous April Fools' Day RFC from 2003 authored by Steve Bellovin. The RFC recommended that the last remaining unused bit in the IPv4 packet header be used to indicate whether a packet had been sent with malicious intent, thus making computer security engineering an easy problem — simply ignore any messages with the evil bit set. Influence The evil bit has become a synonym for all attempts to seek simple technical solutions for difficult human social problems, in particular efforts to implement Internet censorshi...
 
In computer networking, IP over Avian Carriers (IPoAC) is a humorously intended proposal to carry Internet Protocol (IP) traffic by birds such as homing pigeons. IP over Avian Carriers was initially described in RFC 1149, a Request for Comments (RFC) issued by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) written by D. Waitzman and released on 1 April 1990. It is one of several April Fools' Day RFCs. Waitzman described an improvement of his protocol in RFC 2549, IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service (1 April 1999). Later, in RFC 6214 released on 1 April 2011, and 13 years after the...
 
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"Nevertheless, for large transfers, avian carriers are capable of high average throughput when carrying flash memory devices. "
haha...
 
3 Issues I encountered: 1) until quite recently it contained errors in it's API (I think with the 1.7 that is solved finally). 2) It mangles both forward declarations (for opengl1 functions) and function pointers (extension/post opengl1 functions) 3) it pulls in any system header it can find.
 
12:04 AM
Actually IP over Avian can be quite quicker than your high speed connection (in the sense of just data transfer rate)
Depending on how you implement it
 
I heard blu-ray over Boeing 787 has the highest throughput possible
 
I did not encounter any of them yet with glload. I'm not 100% sure about the second because that one only bit me in one very specific situation and I didn't test it with glload, but a glance at the code makes me think it redefines everything to function pointers.
 
interesting
 
@newprogrammer I'd guess two blu-rays would be better
 
the entire plane is filled with blu rays
 
12:06 AM
(either way it's false)
 
no way!
 
Or an SSD, which read, write and store about 100000 times as quickly…
 
Use a train
A train can carry way more stuff than a plane
 
@KillianDS i was under the impression that glload was made by one guy, so it couldn't possibly be as good as glew
mooing duck how are you doing that @ thing
 
is glew made by more than one guy then? That's new to me
 
12:07 AM
it's not?
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16/worlds-fastest-internet_n_1154065.html
Scientists and researchers have set a new Internet speed record by managing to transfer data at a sustained rate of 186 gigabits per second (Gbps), a rate equivalent to moving two million gigabytes -- or 100,000 full Blu-ray discs -- in a single day.
 
The average computer is too slow to store that many data in one second, so it's not useful.
 
The fastest available to the public is a measely 1.5Gbps
@daknok_t streaming serverfarm?
 
That's not "the average computer".
I know somebody who knows the password of the wifi network at TU Delft, where they have 1 Gb/s. He lives nearby that university and often pirates his films using the uni's network. :P
 
1 Gb/s?
that's absurd
can ethernet cables even transmit that much
 
12:11 AM
@newprogrammer: Oh yes
 
@MooingDuck I actually find that a low number, giving that they're in the process of introducing dedicated 100G ports and links on many routers. I'd think they could get more given a good provider with some redundancy and balancing :P
 
:GigE redirects here. For the camera protocol, see GigE vision. In computer networking, Gigabit Ethernet (GbE or 1 GigE) is a term describing various technologies for transmitting Ethernet frames at a rate of a gigabit per second (1,000,000,000 bits per second), as defined by the IEEE 802.3-2008 standard. It came into use beginning in 1999, gradually supplanting Fast Ethernet in wired local networks where it performed considerably faster. The cables and equipment are very similar to previous standards, and by the year 2010, were very common and economical. Half-duplex gigabit links connec...
We've had 1 Gb/s Ethernet since 1999
 
@newprogrammer ethernet can do 10gig also (not with copper)
 
@newprogrammer ethernet cables don't really have a max. Routers and cards can commonly handle well over 1Gbps though.
 
at my friend's house, we are lucky enough to get 100 kb/s
in 2012
why is this? =(
we would be lucky*, rather
 
12:13 AM
136
Q: What are some options for transfering large files without using the Internet?

Kyle LowryMy employer's Internet connection is extremely slow. It's a $6,000 a month, 9 Mb, bonded T1, shared by over 150 users. It's not untypical to see regular file transfer speeds of 20-100 KBps. And that was after I convinced upper management to upgrade - before it was $3,000 a month for 3Mb. Ther...

 
it's a relatively dense suburban neighborhood
 
We don't get any faster than 600 kb/s.
 
There's your answer. :-P
@newprogrammer: How much does said 100 kb/s connection cost?
 
it's the neighbors ^^
 
Is there any advantage in connecting your computer to the same router over both Wi-Fi and Ethernet (a cable)?
 
12:15 AM
@KillianDS There's 10GbE over copper (a couple different standards for it, AAMOF).
 
@daknokt: I think Windows will actually use the combined bandwidth of both when transferring data in and out of the box
 
really?
 
I use a Mac, and Wi-Fi is rarely used.
 
@daknok_t In theory, for local connections you could gain a little bandwidth. In reality, you're not likely to gain enough to care much about though.
 
@JerryCoffin I know of no serious standarized version
 
12:17 AM
@KillianDS Hard to guess what constitutes "serious" but I know of a couple companies using it.
 
in that superuser link, are they really paying 6000$ a month for a 9 Mb/s connection?
 
Well I know one advantage: when the router crashes again, I see a gray Wi-Fi icon in the menu bar. There isn't one for Ethernet. :P
 
why would they do that??
 
@daknok_t that's like not having a speed limit in your driveway. It doesn't really help the overall trip time at all.
 
@JerryCoffin Using regular cat-5 cables?
 
12:18 AM
@KillianDS No -- it uses a different cable (some sort of twin coax, I think, at least on the ones I've seen).
 
@newprogrammer: I don't know the circumstances of the questioner's situation
 
Hey Jerry, I'm still trying to understand what you mean by "The single biggest difficulty is that you have to ensure against doing a read followed immediately by a write (or vice versa)."
 
@newprogrammer the heck? where do you live? Internet is way cheaper than that here
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, that does exist afaik (never used it though). I thought that never gained popularity because of it being a new cabling system anyhow and fiber being the better choice then.
 
why would that change anything
 
12:20 AM
@newprogrammer I'm currently dishing out $30/mo for 15Mbps
 
Mooing duck i'm referencing the superuser.stackexchange link that in silico posted
 
@newprogrammer If you do a read followed directly by a write (or vice versa) you get undefined behavior. You must ensure that there's a seek or flush in between.
 
i get like 1.5 mb/s university internet
why is it undefined? Like if you write to one part of the file, then read from another part of the file that's completely separate, then why would it be undefined
 
I hope they'll have fast Internet at the university I go to next year… At least I want to be able to stream videos.
 
you better hope there's no cap either
i had to wait to play cod with one of my friends when he got his new computer
 
12:23 AM
@daknok_t 1 Gbps wifi, right ...
 
because he had to download all his games on steam
and it took like 3 days with his cap
 
@KillianDS that's at TU Delft. I'm going to Hogeschool Rotterdam.
 
@KillianDS I'm not sure how widely it's used, but a few apparently do use it. Even though it's not cat 5 cable, you can still apparently get cheap tools to splice cables, put on connectors, etc., which apparently isn't true of fiber.
 
WiFi can't get to 1Gbps, even not at TU delft :P
 
True.
 
12:24 AM
@JerryCoffin When you write to a file, does it change the position of the "read" pointer?
 
@newprogrammer Because the standard says so.
 
the C++ standard?
 
@newprogrammer It makes the read pointer undefined -- i.e., you have to do a seek before you can read dependably.
 
ok, i'll just trust you on that
 
@newprogrammer Yes. There's a document that defines the C++ language
 
12:25 AM
the ISO C++ standard right?
 
@newprogrammer The C standard. The C++ standard basically defines I/O in terms of the C library.
 
Yeah, that's the one (with respect to C++ features, it refers to the C standard sometimes)
 
@newprogrammer cppreference.com (IIRC) provides a lot of details (probably also these), and it's very reliable.
 
im on that site right now!
wait nevermind im on cplusplus.com
 
@daknok_t s/very/occasionally/
 
12:26 AM
@newprogrammer: Be careful with cplusplus.com
 
i regret learning C++ through cplusplus.com's tutorials
 
That site sucks. It's about C with Classes more than C++.
 
it left many holes in my learning
 
That site has quite a bit of wrongess in it
 
It's like the W3Schools of C++.
 
12:27 AM
but it's the #1 search on google
for c++
 
113
Q: What's wrong with cplusplus.com?

Kerrek SBThis is perhaps not a perfectly suitable forum for this question, but let me give it a shot, at the risk of being moved away. There are several references for the C++ standard library, including the invaluable ISO standard, MSDN, IBM, cppreference, and cplusplus. Personally, when writing C++ I n...

 
Because of the domain name and the many links to it…
 
@newprogrammer: Then use site:cppreference.com or something
 
@newprogrammer They obviously spend their time on SEO, not C++. Herbert Schildt is a best sell author too, but don't trust his books.
@Insilico if "something" means "gotw.ca" or "cpp-next.com", then I'll agree.
 
Learning C++ isn't done by reading tutorials (unlike other languages). It's done by writing a lot code, talking in this room, and esp. reading books that don't contain all that bullshildt.
 
12:29 AM
@JerryCoffin: Of course. :-)
 
i heard sutter and meyers are the best books
 
@newprogrammer: For C++, they are among the best
 
There is a book list on the Lounge wiki. I got some books from them and I highly recommend them. :)
 
^ The book list daknot_t is talking about
 
@newprogrammer Best for what? Accelerated C++ and Modern C++ Design are as good as they come -- for their chosen areas.
 
12:31 AM
@daknok_t Actually, that goes for a lot of languages. I've seen some terrible python programmers and the cause was almost always self-teaching through some bad online tutorial
 
Learning C++ (or any language) is best done via a good book, looking at good code examples and doing some programming on your own
(especially the "programming on your own" part)
And have lots of patience
 
well i guess ive been doing it wrong
 
The most important thing is that you must find it fun and be interested and willing to learn.
 
(very) generally speaking the books published by Addison-Wesley are the best technical books
 
that really depends on what mood i'm in
is it essential to read the book Design Patterns
 
12:34 AM
No
 
I reccomend Exceptional C++ and C++ Coding Standards
 
@KillianDS I don't really use oglplus.
 
@CatPlusPlus Damn :), I remembered you suggested it some time ago so I hoped you'd know, thanks anyway
 
If it uses GLEW internally then it should be fine.
 
12:38 AM
UGH! THIS CHAT MESSAGE COUNTER ON THE IE9 TAB CAN ACTUALLY COUNT OVER 999! I FAILED TO CREATE A BUG AND POST IT ON META SO.
 
Nah, you have to include glew yourself, which bothers me
 
I don't like GLEW, but it supposedly works.
 
Tom, act normal.
 
what are the alternatives to glew
just glload?
 
@KillianDS If it doesn't include GLEW, then it should work fine with GLload.
 
12:39 AM
@daknok_t Okay.....
 
Maybe I'll get to wrapping entire OpenGL one day.
 
@CatPlusPlus well, it doesn't, and I think it has to do with glew-specific constants :)
but I'm now thinking of doing the RAII part myself as I didn't like oglplus' style 100%
 
To date I've never bothered with disposing of GL objects.
 
I find it contra-intuitive that I had to store VBO wrappers when I already stored the encapsulating VAO (which imho should take ownership at that moment).
 
VBO and VAO should go together.
 
12:45 AM
@newprogrammer FWIW, there's also GLEE. Very simillar to GLEW though.
 
GLload has the advantage of not forcing you to include system headers.
 
Yes they should. And I think that as soon as you assign a VBO wrapper to a VAO wrapper, the VAO wrapper should gain (shared) ownership over the VBO. So that you don't have to keep the VBO wrapper seperately (for static draw you don't really want anything besides the VAO). But in that code the wrapper gets destructed and the VBO deleted.
@JerryCoffin glee is outdated
 
does the ISO C++ standard define just C++ or also the standard library
 
@KillianDS Arguably - thus the "FWIW" -- some people still seem to prefer it though.
@newprogrammer Also the standard library.
 
@JerryCoffin Afaik it does not support anything beyond OpenGL 3.0, which makes it pretty deprecated.
 
12:55 AM
@KillianDS I guess I'm just old, but to me 3.0 still seems fairly new...
Yes, OpenGL 4.1 is current (at least the last time I checked) but I certainly wouldn't plan on releasing code that depended on it, except for truly dedicated gamers who replace their graphics card at least once ever six months.
 
how many people do you think are still on dx9/opengl 2 hardware?
 
@newprogrammer Hard to guess -- but I think quite a few are still on OpenGL 3-level hardware.
 
i thought most were on level 3
some were on 4, and some were on 2
are*, rather
 
@newprogrammer Sounds about right to me. Figure most people replace machines on about a 4-year cycle, so mean age is about 2 years.
 
1:14 AM
Say I want to render a thousand colored, untextured cubes (6000 triangles) using OpenGL ES 2 on an iPhone. Should I use VBOs?
 
uhh
if they are all the same cube
you might want to consider geometry instancing
im not exactly sure what you are trying to do though
 
How can you render a thousand cubes with only 6000 triangles? Don't you mean 12000 triangles?
Each cube == 6 square faces == 12 triangles?
 
that is true
im not sure if instanced drawing is supported by opengl es 2 though
 
1:47 AM
Hi.
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf That's one piece of fugly code, the guy has there.
@RMartinhoFernandes Watcha doing here in the middle of the night? Aren't you supposed to be with your folks?
 
@sbi Folks are asleep :)
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes And aren't you supposed to be awake when they are?
 
Isn't it close to 4AM in Germany?
@sbi Only in the afternoon :P
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes It is. I just woke up due to the beer I had before just before I went to bed, and couldn't easily fall asleep again due to the pain in my right arm and shoulder. So I thought I'd look for some distraction.
 
1:51 AM
@sbi yes :)
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf Hey, I upvoted your answer, and expected you to do the same with my comment! :)
 
sbi
> Unfortunately, this UMG-music-content is not available in Germany
 
^ Norwegian jazzpop group, old recording, but I liked this. Not pretentious.
 
sbi
Someone in the future. "Why did the people of the 21st century revert to cameras that take such bad photos?" #instagram
^I like that.
 
1:53 AM
Oh, Instagram is that stupid software that crappifies your photos so you can look hip for your friends?
 
sbi
When will my Friday build job fail? I'm guessing the moment I leave my office and not one second sooner.
Yep, Friday build job failed < 5 minutes after I left my office.
Isn't Good Friday a holiday in the US?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes: It's basically a photosharing service where you download this app and take pictures with it and upload it to Facebook or whatever with (optionally) a filter applied to the photo
 
It is a holiday here, but lots of people trade Good Friday for the Monday after Easter.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes What? Even in the Protestant parts of Germany, both Friday and Monday are holidays!
Aren't you living in a strictly Catholic country?
I am sorry if this is offensively wrong.
 
@sbi What does "strictly" Catholic mean?
 
1:56 AM
@sbi: Actually the US is a secular country with a secular constitution
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I thought Germany's mess of Catholic and Protestant regions is unusal?
@Insilico The robot lives on the Iberian peninsula, though.
 
Oh, yeah, most of the religious population here is Catholic.
 
I posted the video on FB, maybe it's available that way (a bit of indirection)?
 
@sbi: Yeah I keep forgetting about the Magic of Stack Exchange Chat Technology allowing me to talk to people in other countries
 
sbi
@Insilico What? OMG!
Anyway, since you seem to be in the US, @Insilico, you could answer my earlier question:
5 mins ago, by sbi
Isn't Good Friday a holiday in the US?
 
2:00 AM
@CheersandhthAlf: I don't think that works unless Facebook proxies all of Youtube's data
 
Good Friday (from the senses pious, holy of the word "good"), is a religious holiday observed primarily by Christians commemorating the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and his death at Calvary. The holiday is observed during Holy Week as part of the Paschal Triduum on the Friday preceding Easter Sunday, and may coincide with the Jewish observance of Passover. It is also known as Black Friday, Holy Friday, Great Friday, or Easter Friday, though the latter normally refers to the Friday in Easter week. Based on the details of the Canonical gospels, the Crucifixion of Jesus was most likely to...
> In the United States, Good Friday is not a government holiday at the federal level; however, individual states, counties and municipalities may observe the holiday.
Good Friday isn't a holiday at the Federal level
But it is in some states
 
sbi
Don't worry, Alf, I hadn't even clicked on that link. It's Facebook, after all.
@Insilico Ah, thanks!
 
@sbi I guess you guys are just lazy :P
 
It's not an official state holiday here in California
 
sbi
2:02 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, Germans are well-known for their relaxed attitude towards anything economical. :)
 
I actually don't celebrate Good Friday myself, so I wouldn't know too much about it
 
@sbi Actually, there's been talk around here of cutting on holidays, because it seems we have too many. Good Friday is on the list to cut.
 
sbi
@Insilico Oh, who said something about celebrating it? Compared to people here, the US is a state of religious zealots. :)
 
@sbi: You have no idea. :-P
Ironically it's probably because U.S. law (at least at the federal level) prohibits the Gov't from promoting or inhibiting religion
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, with the economic hit you took recently. OTOH, Portugal was just presented nicely in the German news (as opposed to Greece, Italy, and Spain), because they managed to turn the economy around so well and so fast.
 
2:06 AM
cough
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes You caught a cold?
 
I have no idea what is this turn around you are talking about.
 
Yeah, what's up with Greece, et al., lately? (Admittedly I haven't been following any of this as of now)
 
sbi
@Insilico Actually, I have. I have very distant relatives some of which I visited on a three-months trip in the 90s. On both coasts (and some in between). Also, I lived and worked in Portland, OR, for half a year.
 
@sbi: Have you went to any of the Bible Belt states?
 
2:08 AM
@sbi It was for lots of schools in my area (Massachusetts) but I didn't even realize it was good Friday until we talked about it at lunch.. a couple of people had already asked me what I was doing for Easter :-/
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes The news, not me. I suppose it's been about deficit and such, trying to match whatever goals the European Central Bank (whatever that's called in English) set for them.
 
Oh. So they didn't mention the record unemployment, and stuff.
 
sbi
@Insilico No, I skipped those. Still, I do have an idea how bad that is (from your Californian POV and from my European). It's not like we don't get anything of this in movies, the news, etc. here in Europe.
 
I have no idea how things compare with Spain or Italy, but we certainly haven't turned anything around yet.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Of course, not. How is that relevant, when they meet financial goals?
(Yeah, I am being sarcastic. Also, I did say they said so in the news, not that I did my own research.)
 
2:12 AM
Yeah California is relatively secular compared to lots of other states
 
sbi
@Insilico Still, my relatives in LA dragged me to a church service. But by then I was used to that.
 
@sbi: I did say "relatively secular". :-P
I've went once, just to see what it's like. Church service is unbelievably boring IMO
 
sbi
@Insilico And I did say I do have an idea about the extent of religion in the US. :)
 
@sbi Glad I've only been dragged to church a couple of times
 
Even a lot of the more religious people I know thinks church service is boring too
 
sbi
2:15 AM
@Collin In several decades in Germany I must have been to less services than in three months in the US.
Oh, and @Insilico, may I remind you that you need to turn in your lottery ticket? :)
 
I've only had to go with my step dad's mom a couple of times on Easter and Christmas
 
sbi
@Collin Oh, you're a Merkin, too!
 
@sbi I don't remember paying for a lottery ticket.
 
'merika!
if thats what you mean
 
sbi
@Insilico See, that's the difference to Germany: I do not know "a lot of religious people". In fact, right I can only think of one who goes to church on Sunday.
 
2:19 AM
@sbi: Well, I actually don't know a lot of religious people
 
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sbi
4 mins ago, by In silico
Even a lot of the more religious people I know thinks church service is boring too
 
@sbi: "a lot of the more religious people I know.."
 
@sbi Speaking of the flyover states, I did grow up in Michigan
 
I don't know a lot of religious people
(at least the very religious ones)
But from that small group of people that I do know, the more religious ones say church service is quite boring.
 
sbi
2:21 AM
@Insilico Would knowing a lot of religious people be a precursor to make statements about them?
 
@sbi: No, I'm talking specifically about the religious people I happen to know
 
sbi
@Collin I went through Michigan once.
 
I'm going to lie down in bed, and sleep. This "merkin" is just way too much for me. It's causing red eye.
Bye.
 
@sbi I liked it, but depending on where you are you can get some real hillbilly crazy going on
 
sbi
@Insilico I don't want to sound pedantic... Heck, this is the C++ room, so I am entitled to being pedantic: In order for a lot of A to be X, there have to be a lot of A. And since A is the religious people you know, for a lot of them to be X, you have to know a lot of them. Really, I am at a loss as to how else to interpret your statement.
Note: I am absolutely fine with accepting the fact that you do not know a lot of religious people, but if so, then that initial statement was simply wrong.
@tom_mai78101 You were not supposed to put your eyes on he monitor the moment you see a pubic wig.
 
2:26 AM
@sbi I admit the sentence structure I used was ambiguous at best
@sbi I'm using "a lot" to mean "a majority of them", which is probably bad usage
 
sbi
@Collin We came from New York, went to Niagara Falls, then Toronto, and then drove into Wisconsin.
 
@sbi Niagra is nice. Which way did you go to Wisconsin, up through the upper peninsula or around through Chicago?
 
sbi
@Insilico Even then — remember, we're in the C++ room :) —, having a majority means you need to know at least 3 of them. From a German POV, that seems a lot.
Oh, wait. I just remembered a second church goer I used to know.
 
@sbi Well the number of religious people I do know is greater than 3 :-)
But it's definitely not in the order of 100 people or anything like that
 
sbi
@Collin Um. Chicago is in the south, right? We came from the north, so we must have passed through Chicago on our way out.
 
2:32 AM
Woah, there's people that know 100 people?
 
Right, Chicago is on the southwest corner of Lake Michigan, in Illinois. If you were going to Wisconsin from canada, you could cross the border in Detroit, drive north to the Mackinac bridge, then head west through Michigan's upper peninsula or go west from Detroit, around the south side of lake Michigan through Chicago then north into Wisconsin
 
sbi
@Insilico And I was trying to emphasize how secular the Germany I know is by making it clear that I almost know any religious people. But I failed, because I just remembered that one of my cow-workers is religious. :( So that makes 3 for me.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes: Yes. Some human beings do go out and meet people as opposed to sitting in front of the computer all day writing C++ and stuff.
 
Hey, you can meet people with a computer. This is the 21st century.
 
I suppose you might also drive north in Canada and cross into the upper peninsula in Sioux Saint Marie and head to Wisconsin from there
@RMartinhoFernandes The future man, it's everywhere!
 
2:34 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes: I actually hate using computers for meeting people. Which I guess makes me the odd one out
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes You easily know more than that. You probably know 50 relatives, and you know about 30 people in this room. You will know a dozen or two fellow-student, right? Voila, you know 100 people.
 
For communication, it's great. For meeting people, I do that in person
 
@Collin Just not evenly distributed.
@sbi Oh, I guess I was taking a too strict idea of what "to know someone" meant (and no, I don't mean the biblical sense)
 
Since when did the Flash player had "premium features"?
 
Like, yes, I can easily enumerate 50 of my relatives, but most of them are strangers.
 
2:37 AM
@Insilico Is not sucking one of the premium features?
 
@Collin: Unfortunately not.
And neither is "not crashing all the time" and "not being annoying all the time"
 
sbi
@Collin TBH, you've lost me on that. We're talking a time 20 years ago. We drove from NYC to Portland, OR, and from Seattle to LA. How am I supposed to remember some highways around Wisconsin? And it's 4:30am here, and my atlas requires a lifting jack to carry it from the shelf to the table. And I dug so much yesterday, I broke a spade, and, judging from where my body hurt, probably a few bones as well. IOW: I am not prepared to do so much mental and physical exercise right now.
@RMartinhoFernandes But you'd probably know whether they are religious or not. And that was what we were about.
 
@sbi No worries - what are you doing awake at 4:30?
 
sbi
48 mins ago, by sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes It is. I just woke up due to the beer I had before just before I went to bed, and couldn't easily fall asleep again due to the pain in my right arm and shoulder. So I thought I'd look for some distraction.
OMG, I edited too much in that one.
 
I thought alcoholic beverages were depressants?
 
sbi
2:41 AM
What's that mean?
 
A depressant, or central depressant, is a drug or endogenous compound that lowers or depresses arousal levels and reduces excitability. Depressants are also occasionally referred to as "downers" as they lower the level of arousal when taken. Stimulants or "uppers" increase mental and/or physical function are the functional opposites of depressants. Depressants are widely used throughout the world as prescription medicines and as illicit substances. When these are used, effects often include anxiolysis, pain relief, sedation or somnolence, and cognitive/memory impairment, as well as in som...
 
sbi
I know what a depressant is, but why did you bring this up?
@Insilico Oh. Now I get it. Well, I had to take a piss.
 
I thought alcoholic beverages made one more sleepy
But then again that's probably just me
 
sbi
@Insilico Beer does make me sleepy. But then it requires a lot of water for my liver to wash the alcohol out of my blood. And all that water ends up in my bladder. So whenever I have a beer right before I go to bed, I wake up in the middle of the night and have to bring it back to the liquid recycling department.
 
@sbi: Ah, that makes sense then.
labs.adobe.com/technologies/alchemy A C++ to Actionscript cross-compiler?
 
sbi
2:45 AM
It probably wasn't that bad when I was in my 20s.
 
> Alchemy is primarily intended to be used with C/C++ libraries that have few operating system dependencies. Ideally suited for computation-intensive use cases,... performance can be considerably faster than ActionScript 3.0 and anywhere from 2-10x slower than native C/C++ code.
 
sbi
2:57 AM
I think I'll have a second go at going back to sleep again. Have fun!
 
I should go to sleep to.
 
sbi
Damn. One of the worst thing that happened to me yesterday was when I bumped my right knee on a piece of masonry real hard. It turned out the bricks were a lot harder than my bones, and what I said when it happened probably made the neighbors think I'm torturing a jackal in my garden. Now, whenever I haven't moved my knee for a prolonged time (like 5mins), moving it again hurts so badly, I just fall back into the chair three times in a row, giving the neighbors nightmares with the sounds I made.
 
@sbi: Ouch. Hope you get better
 
Yeah, poor neighbors.
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sbi
I'll grind my teeth now and go back to bed. Hopefully they won't ring my door 5mins later, demanding I'll release that jackal. This apartment isn't clean enough to show them into all corners, to make them believe I don't have any jackals here.
 
3:05 AM
I fell down the stairs once (I still don't know what the hell happened) and of course my knees took the blow first.
@sbi: Taking any painkillers?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Go to bed, you bastard! (Says, me, standing triumphantly!)
 
Perhaps then you won't have to talk to the neighbors about the nonexisting jackal
 
sbi
@Insilico Huh? I'd wouldn't even think of that.
afk
 
3:40 AM
@sbi mend well!
 
4:22 AM
Ah, mending the well...
 
4:37 AM
hi
 
 
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6:20 AM
posted on April 07, 2012 by Herb Sutter

A nice talk by Mads Torgersen just went live on Channel 9 about C#’s non-blocking Task<T>.ContinueWith() library feature and await language feature, which are a big hit in C# (and Visual Basic) for writing highly concurrent code that looks pretty much just like sequential code. Mads is one of the designers of await. If you’re [...]

 
7:00 AM
@Feeds I'm pretty sure D has something like that.
 
7:54 AM
Haskell is so cool.
 
8:04 AM
Haskell is awesome.
 
Lounge<C++> : Where everyone praises Haskell.
 
Lounge<Haskell> looks so strange…
 
good thing someone pinned up the commonly used acronyms page.
AFAIK , IIRC and IME the acronyms may be useful. OTOH IYAM IMHO TTBOMK they may cause several people to go AFK, ICBW(T).
@sbi you know, you may need to get operated for that. My grandad once had the same problem.
@sbi hope you get better soon though.
 
8:20 AM
I'd visit a doctor at least if the pain continues.
 
8:59 AM
Gonna play with voxels today.
 
9:47 AM
@Insilico much more applicable: Emscripten a C++ to javascript compiler (based on llvm)
@Insilico Alcohol does make me tired, but it makes me lose sleep at the same time: i toss and turn and can't really fall asleep with alcohol
 
sehe wanna share the links of the classical concerts you posted yesterday again?
 
Hah, it couldn't last of course:
21 hours ago, by sehe
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All back to normal today:
 
@sehe thanks
 
You could just google for 'Johanness Passion' (my favourite passion) or 'Mattheus Passion'
 

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