« first day (510 days earlier)      last day (4439 days later) » 

3:00 PM
@FredOverflow Ubuntu!
 
What? Ubuntu is the cause?
 
@rubenvb As if the CRT had.
Unless your point all along was that the Linux kernel does not have CreateWindow functions.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes that was my point indeed.
 
(Which if it was, was massively unclear)
 
lol, sorry for that.
When I said "Linux API", I meant the kernel API, not the mildly unrelated glibc.
 
3:04 PM
> I have found that the solution is to make sure that the 'Power Manager' option is turned ON in System > Preferences > Startup Applications. If I disable it, the screen goes into power saving mode after about 10 minutes. So, you need power manager to run in the background in order to make sure that power saving doesn't work. I think.
lol?
 
lol @UbuntuUser
 
Well, I wish I was an Ubuntu user, then I could follow the above instructions.
 
@FredOverflow lolwut?
 
@FredOverflow Oh, I thought you said you ran Ubuntu a couple days ago...
 
@rubenvb No, running Linux Mint Debian here.
 
3:06 PM
@rubenvb Yes, that's what I assumed. But the mention of the CRT threw me off, as the CRT totally does not have window creation.
 
@rubenvb No? It's just LibreOffice for her (and, yes, she calls it 'Word' and 'Excel' :))
 
@sehe damn, interop with Office 20?? must be hellish.
@RMartinhoFernandes yeah, I was giving a reason to not use the CRT, and asked how hard it would be on non-Windows OSes. Not very easy, it seems: blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/hello_from_a_libc_free
 
@rubenvb Not at all. As far as I know. She's pretty proactive with the support calls (Dutch directness) so I'm pretty sure I'd know. Though, in legal and finance anything across the wire is bound to be PDF-ed anyway
 
Oh, I found a simple option in the Power Manager.
 
@StackedCrooked are you there?
 
3:08 PM
@sehe good point.
 
damn
I'd forgotten how unbelievably suck Windows can be when you first install it
won't even recognize my monitor as 1080p, let alone my second monitor, and IE freezes for 30 seconds every 10 seconds of use
 
@rubenvb I did create a nautilus extension script to send documents to the PDF printer in bulk, though; So all she has to do is select documents, right click, 'Make PDF' and - bam - done.
 
@DeadMG I only use IE to browse to mozilla-europe.org :P
 
I'm pretty sure she uses the 'acrobat-icon' button in OOffice, most often
 
@sehe Doesn't LibreOffice have a save as PDF thing? Just like Office 20?? ?
ah yeah, that
 
3:10 PM
@rubenvb See ^
 
I saw
 
@rubenvb I needed to use it to grab my display drivers and KeePass as well
 
@DeadMG sudo apt-get install keepassx (done)
 
@sehe On Windows?
 
@DeadMG You lied to me:
1 hour ago, by DeadMG
Windows 7 Pro, and yes, on my backup drive
 
3:11 PM
@DeadMG jerk :)
 
lied to you about what?
 
@DeadMG You're not a Windows 7 Pro :)
 
that last bit is about "have you got all your drivers?"
 
lol
 
now my estimate is off
 
3:12 PM
I thought that I ad
but I cleaned them out just a few days ago by accident
besides, at 3.5MB/s, downloading them again is no big deal
 
@rubenvb Wait, providing an entry point and an extra compiler flag is "too hard"?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes and manually linking to crt* files and providing the assembly for the exit code? Yeah, that's different than the Windows version...
 
@rubenvb What happens on Windows?
 
Thank you lord! Dual 1080p once again!
 
@rubenvb Also, linking to the crt counts as using the CRT, no? I see some confusion there.
 
3:15 PM
@rubenvb Eh? That American English is so hard to read?
 
Xeo
0
Q: Scoping and passing classes by value?

SebastianThe following code outputs garbage at best or crashes: #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> #include <string.h> class C { public: char* s; C(char* s_) { s=(char *)calloc(strlen(s_)+1,1); strcpy(s,s_); }; ~C() { free(s); }; }; void...

Close vote please
 
@Xaade mozilla.org does not redirect me as straightforwardly to a Dutch Firefox. So I guess... yes.
 
@rubenvb Oh, you need Dutch
 
@Xaade AmE sucks
 
@RMartinhoFernandes yeah, I meant the _start function and the return code asm. It also seems part two of that article was never written :(
 
3:17 PM
@DeadMG Righty Blight that Unglish language is right ho?
 
The article first links to crtsomething.a, but then does what I want and pulls in a bunch of assembly
 
@rubenvb Well, how does it work on Windows?
 
@rubenvb What do you use a Dutch browser for? For the extra giggles when seeing all the 'scheve' translations?
 
@DeadMG They call a queue a line???? ZOMG.... a line..... as if it's straight or something. What about the queues that curve, or go back and forth.
 
@Xaade Lines can be curved.
 
3:20 PM
@sehe uniformity. Right now I'm using Firefox x64 nightly, not yet translated unfortunately. I'll switch to aurora as soon as the x64 version is translated and available.
@RMartinhoFernandes let me dig the results of that experiment up.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes yeah, but if they have several angles, then it's like what.... a multi-line. They should call it a multi-line, inferior Americans!
And a job order, what's that. You don't order a job, you order parts, not labour. And colour???? They can't even spell it right. You don't say col-or..... that would sound like cul-oar.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes something like this: a /ENTRY:somefunc, together with /NODEFAULTLIB which removes all the default libs, and then kernel32.lib and user32.lib (I think, might be another one).
that compiles a C program that prints Hello World using WriteConsole.
 
And in the south.... I hear they all wear cowboy hats and go without shirts. Not so great when you find out they all drink so much.
Americans are so.... arrogant. We certainly don't form stereotypes like them.
 
@rubenvb Uniformity with what - the OS?
 
@sehe yes. And my Gmail, and my Uni's webmail, etc...
 
Xeo
3:24 PM
> Why force your opinion down his throat? Some people like to write C with the structural benefits C++ classes provide, and there's nothing wrong with that. – James McLaughlin 4 secs ago
 
SO should be translated
 
Xeo
Sigh...
 
@rubenvb in my experience the only uniformity to be had is that messages become uniformly unintelligible in translation :)
 
@rubenvb So, it's the same, but the compiler does the grunt work for you?
(And by grunt work, I mean write 6 lines of assembly.)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes The linker, I'd guess, yes.
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't even know how portable that assembly is.
 
3:25 PM
@DeadMG Did I get that all about right?
 
And I didn't know how to do it before 5 minutes ago, hence my original question. I didn't even have an opinion on the matter.
 
@rubenvb Erm. How portable do you think compiling with cl is?
 
sheesh
 
@Xeo They can feel free to develop their own language..... oh right.... Objective C.
 
If you want portability, use the CRT. That's what it's for.
 
3:26 PM
Do I really need to link to my question that began this unwieldy discussion?
 
@Xaade Get what?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes oh, never had to use printf related functions on MSVC, MinGW, and Linux have you?
 
@DeadMG How horrible Americans are?
 
You're just saying some boutade to make a nonexistent point.
MARKDOWN FAIL ALL THE THINGS
 
@Xaade More concerned about the e-terrorism
 
3:28 PM
@rubenvb What about them? I don't remember running into trouble, but it's been a long time ago.
 
@DeadMG ???
 
@Xaade Didn't you notice that the US are shitting all over everyone else on the Internet?
 
That "you can't flout US law by being outside the US" nonsense.
 
@DeadMG Yes, I made that law. Wrote it on some toilet paper, mailed it to Obama.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes there's a difference between a bunch of stuff in MinGW (which is basically msvcrt.dll aka msvcr71.dll) and newer MSVC versions. And the type specifiers are incredibly unportabe. Just try printing a 64-bit integer.
 
3:30 PM
anyway, it's that shit that I'm concerned about, not the fact that they say some things a little funny
 
@rubenvb Ah, right, Microsoft's refusal to support C99.
 
@DeadMG Welcome to American Liberalism. I mean, I'm not a fan of liberalism, but America tends to make it much worse.
 
it's not very liberal to go stealing other people's property in other countries because they do things that don't conform to your laws
 
@RMartinhoFernandes yes, which is quite necessary/useful for my purposes IMHO. So I'll just bypass that and do it right.
@Xaade Your definition of liberalism is a lot different than our definition of liberalism.
 
@DeadMG I'm not so sure the law applies to websites that begin outside America. So if some European website on European soil links to some blacklisted site, I don't think our law lets us shut down that. It just lets us shut down sites hosted on American soil.
 
3:32 PM
@Xaade But it wasn't hosted on US soil. It wasn't even registered to a registrar on US soil.
 
@Xaade He's talking about domain name seizing.
(Or however that word is written)
 
@rubenvb Actually, American Liberalism is a terminology stolen by the socialistic share the wealth and control information sector of politics. Different motives. More.... Marxist.
@DeadMG Oh.... well, there's a difference between hosting sites that potentially contain links to sites that hold illegal content, and actively encouraging theft. But in either case, the fact that we waltzed in on another country bothers me. We wouldn't want some Brit running into DC and arresting some politician because he was downloading porn.
 
@Xaade yeah, exactly. Belgian liberal is more focussed on promoting businesses and the like, pro-Europe also falls into that category more often, etc... US liberalism (America = a continent!) is the result of two polarized conservative parties fighting over bread crumbs.
 
@Xaade Porn is perfectly legal over here too, you know :P
 
@DeadMG That only exaggerates my point.
 
3:35 PM
heh
 
Download ALL THE PORN. As @Tony would have put it.
3
 
I was about to say, you're stealing Tony's fanfare
 
@rubenvb I don't understand conservative?
 
@Xaade US politicians are all conservative in mind set. I'm not saying the current politicians in Belgium are very progress-oriented, but there's quite a difference.
 
@rubenvb Progress is a bad term. You can progress to anything. What are you trying to progress to?
 
3:36 PM
Stuff.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Like dictatorship?
 
what about porn?
how can you talk about porn with me?
 
PROGRESS ALL THE PORN STUFF
damn markdown fails
 
---PORN---
 
@rubenvb Progressing to more laws and more government influence is a bad thing. Progressing to a more consumer driven environment is a good thing, as long as the consumer is responsible.
 
3:38 PM
@Xaade where the hell did that come from?
 
@rubenvb You mean you fail.
 
@rubenvb Progress is ambiguous
 
@RMartinhoFernandes thanks
@Xaade I meant the dictatorship
 
What's the opposite of Progress? Congress! harharhar
6
 
3:39 PM
funny that, seriously
I lol'ed
for real
 
@rubenvb Progress is ambiguous and if not well defined someone like Hitler can define it for you.
 
@DeadMG where you get that from?
 
@Xaade Godwin's Law!
@thecoshman Don't recall, didn't come up with it myself, though.
 
@DeadMG Actually, that was a really good example....
 
@Xaade I know. It just feels wrong to see "Hitler" and not shout "Godwin's Law!"
 
3:40 PM
Now I'm confused.
 
@DeadMG didn't think so :P
 
@thecoshman I don't care enough about American progress to come up with such a statement.
 
@rubenvb When someone tells you they represent progress, your FIRST QUESTION should be WHERE???
Or you'll end up with Obama.
CHANGE!!!!
 
Obama might be a big fat dirty liar
but he's better than Bush
 
Bush had good economic policy.
 
3:41 PM
@Xaade What I mean with progress is: fixing what's wrong now, and try to get it right, instead of compiling on previous "successes" to stay at a standstill
 
@Xaade bullshit
 
@Xaade you can't seriously believe that
 
the economic policy that crashed the world economy?
excellent policy, I agree
 
I don't think this discussion will end well when you present that kind of point of views.
dang.
 
@DeadMG That's a falsehood.
 
3:42 PM
@Xaade How many dollars were wasted in the war in Iraq?
 
@Xaade Really? Because Bush is the one who cut taxes, decreased bank regulation, and forced them to lend more to high-risk households.
 
He actually went to congress several times saying things were going bad.
 
not to mention the one who started two wars, costing the American taxpayer obscene amounts of money
 
I'm with @DeadMG all the way for now.
 
@DeadMG .... Decreased bank regulation is a lie.
@DeadMG I can't defend that.
 
3:44 PM
Not to mention the total US education fail system
 
Ok, look.... Whoever controls history rewrites it.
 
@Xaade The last time I checked, which admittedly was a little while ago, he absolutely decreased the amount of regulation on US banks.
@rubenvb The UK has one too.
 
But not for lending purposes.
 
@DeadMG yeah, I'm starting to think so too. Belgium is borderlining it in my eyes.
 
the simple fact is, as far as I can tell, most or all Western countries haven't upgraded their education
 
3:45 PM
This really says it all: youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM
 
Ok, Bush went twice to the oversight committee on the federal lending institutions and said, "They're failing, we need to regulate." The oversight committee was getting kickbacks so they ignored him.
 
@rubenvb and Canada is going in the same direction
 
is it really a surprise that children would rather use the Internet to gain knowledge than be shouted at by a teacher and learn some boring useless shit?
 
@DeadMG Bush's policy for education was to stop sending the most money to failing schools, and boost schools that performed well....
 
Is there any good education system still around? Maybe Scandinavia?
@Xaade which is very stupid.
 
3:45 PM
Yea
 
@rubenvb Why?
 
@Xaade OK, that's gotta doubly suck.
 
@rubenvb You forget, that we can't fire teachers.
 
@Xaade you're dumping every student in those schools to be stupid.
 
@rubenvb Northern Europe countries have some pretty good education system
 
3:46 PM
@DeadMG We have too many schools.
 
@Xaade Oh I don't, in Belgium, teachers are unfireable too.
 
@rubenvb Huh? The point was to shut down bad schools.
 
@Xaade Then bulldoze some and move the kids. Don't screw them by underfunding them.
 
How do you measure school quality?
 
@DeadMG That was what he tried to do.
 
3:47 PM
What @DeadMG said. Cutting funding != closing schools
 
His entire agenda was to "fire" teachers by shutting down bad schools.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes eventually, what the students accomplish later.
 
They wouldn't let him shut down bad schools.
 
@Xaade Which he never got through.
 
So he tried to underfund them into the ground.
 
3:48 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes There are a many ways, one of them is to look on how kids perform on an international level
 
@DeadMG I don't care enough abut America :P
 
@rubenvb My question was, exactly how do you measure those accomplishments?
 
@Xaade Taking all the students in those schools along.
@RMartinhoFernandes it's very subjective, but you can surely measure trends
 
VISUAL STUDIO Y U TAKE SO LONG TO INSTALL
 
0
Q: Is there a way to guarantee that internet explorer will alway be the topmost window?

dlee777I'm trying to force an internet explorer window to be TOPMOST. No other windows should show on top of the internet explorer window. I have to use internet explorer. I'm also running this in Windows 7. Apparently that makes a difference but all the information I found on that is rather vague and b...

 
3:49 PM
@rubenvb That's my entire point. Bush had good policies, but the other side watered every single one down so bad that they weren't going to work. The point of politics in America is to make your enemy look like a failure, not actually accomplish anything good.
 
lol, in an IRC room..
 
@Xaade Don't feel alone.
 
@rubenvb For a few years, until the school closes and the students get into better ones.
 
@Xaade If you understand that, I wonder why you bash Obama.
 
I said "fuck that shit" to which the response was "the script for a lot of german porn"
 
3:50 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes The OCDE have some measures for that
 
@Xaade “a few years” is too much for a student
they are only at school “for a few years”
 
@rubenvb Because Obama has bad policy, or more accurately no policy at all. His point is to stay neutral, accomplish nothing, and ride the waves.
 
@Xaade Please stop watching Fox News.
 
@KonradRudolph And if you keep funding a failing school they get bad education for EVERY year.
 
@Xaade Better than none
 
3:51 PM
@rubenvb I haven't watched Fox for years.
 
there are about a 1000 different policies that are more effective than underfunding
 
@ALOToverflow Yes, those same measurements that show Portuguese schools have been improving. The policies that have been leading to that improvement basically amount to forcing teachers to pass pretty much everyone. That's why I don't trust those measurements.
 
… but those don’t finance your expensive wars
 
@Xaade I applaud you for that. Obama does have policy, and did deliver on some points when the Democrats still could support their president in Congress.
 
@KonradRudolph Wait what.... you're countering yourself. Bad education for 3 years, good education for 10 years, vs bad education for every year. And you say bad is better than none. Stop making a false dilemma.
 
3:52 PM
Student loans, pull back from Iraq...
 
@rubenvb I do agree with a few things he's done.
Just like a disagree with a few Bush has done.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes And how do theses kids do on the internationnal level? When they are compared to other childrens?
 
@Xaade I can't say the same about Bush.
 
But, I'd rather Clinton back.
 
I don't know anything good he's done.
 
3:52 PM
Obama's a dirty filthy liar
"I'M GONNA SHUT DOWN GUANTANAMO- BY MOVING IT TO US SOIL! MWAHAHAHA"
 
@rubenvb Then, likely you don't know hardly anything he's done.
 
@Xaade What I’m saying is that underfunding is always bullshit. There are better measures. And making pupils intentionally suffer through years of bad education just so they can potentially (but by no means guaranteed!) get better education in a few years is also stupid
 
@Xaade The illegal (on International grounds) war in Iraq. isn't that enough?
 
@Xaade For one thing, Obama saved the economic system (if we can consider this has a good thing)
 
@KonradRudolph There is no good answer, because we can't control education, it's in the hands of a super massive failed union.
@ALOToverflow That's a lie.
 
3:54 PM
@Xaade Can you prove it?
 
@ALOToverflow Nothing he's done actually turned the tide. If anything it's made a psuedo recovery.
 
@Xaade Furthermore, it’s a red herring to say that “there are bad teachers” – of course there are (80% of everything is crap) but the major reason for bad teaching isn’t the teacher’s inability, it’s bad basic conditions, mainly caused … you guessed it: by underfunding
 
@Xaade It actually helped a lot
 
@ALOToverflow OCDE says good about that, but since foreign educational systems are being referred to as "fail systems" I have no idea what "being good at an international level" means.
 
@Xaade “there’s no good answer” – well. There are better answers and worse answers.
 
3:55 PM
@ALOToverflow The fact that we're still at the same unemployment/underemployment levels. The fact that most people are saving money rather than spending it. The fact that the market keeps nosediving every other year.
The market looks better, but not the economy.
Which is always the result of Keynesian policy.
 
@Xaade come off it! Do you really believe this neo-lib crap?
 
@KonradRudolph That's total BS. Underfunding doesn't make a bad teacher better.
 
@Xaade No, it makes them worse
that’s what I said
 
@KonradRudolph I don't believe it. I watch it..... everytime.
 
@KonradRudolph I think he does
 
3:57 PM
@KonradRudolph No, the value of a teacher never changes with funding.
 
@Xaade That’s just demonstrably false
 
@Xaade Please explain. I don't see how that is.
 
@rubenvb So, you get naturally better if paid more.
 
Obviously.
 
@Xaade If Morgan Stanley had crashed, man I swear it would be worse today
 
3:58 PM
@Xaade nobody claimed that, stop erecting straw-men
 
@Xaade no, you're pointing his point in reverse. He never said anything about better, only worse.
 
@KonradRudolph You said teacher's get worse with less funding. So they get better with more funding. Therefore, if people get paid more, they are higher quality? So, do you improve if paid more?
 
And the worse part is true as far as I can tell.
 
@Xaade They get worse because basic conditions get worse, not because they get paid less (they don’t). But they have less funding for projects, larger classes, worse canteens, outdated teaching material …
 
@rubenvb If they get worse if paid less, you take them to worse, then reverse and pay them the old pay. In comparison to the lower pay, they've gotten better. Simple math.
 
3:59 PM
all this makes teachers demonstrably and substantially worse
 

« first day (510 days earlier)      last day (4439 days later) »