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9:00 PM
Oh it's very SFW. The thumbnail is ridiculous and doesn't occur (I think)
 
user406009
@Shoe Not really when compared to murder.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь What I did to you in CODUO.
 
@Shoe Both manslaughter and negligent homicide are pretty serious.
 
@Nooble Lose by 1 point/kill
 
Oh wait
Lost in translation
I've always thought "manslaughter" meant like multiple killings
 
9:01 PM
@Nooble and/or noexcept :p
 
@Shoe manslaughter is murder without the intent to kill. afaik
 
yeah
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion Yep, and intent is very important in our justice systems.
 
How does that work though
It's composed of "man" and "slaughter"
 
@Shoe Manslaughter is unintentionally causing somebody's death. The main question at that point is the degree of negligence involved.
 
user406009
9:02 PM
@Shoe If you get really drunk and kill someone, that would probably be manslaughter.
 
Voluntary manslaughter is the killing of a human being in which the offender had no prior intent to kill and acted during "the heat of passion", under circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed. Voluntary manslaughter is one of two main types of manslaughter, the other being involuntary manslaughter. == ProvocationEdit == Provocation consists of the reasons for which one person kills another. "Adequate" or "reasonable" provocation is what makes the difference between voluntary manslaughter and murder. According to the book Criminal Law Today,...
 
@melak47 :P
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Nah, not negligence. The difference between manslaughter and muder is intent.
 
@Lalaland I swear, I only meant to seriously injure him!
 
@CatPlusPlus ah yes
 
9:04 PM
@Lalaland Yes, intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter. BUT, once you've determined that it was manslaughter, however, the main question is the degree of negligence.
 
Teehee. Twitter is always about high prio issues
. @KentBeck This is the fate of home office brain workers then. We're all slaves to the machines already: https://twitter.com/jonskeet/status/685465436159373312
 
@JerryCoffin ah interesting
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin I wouldn't be too surprised if the laws vary widely between countries. Even the US vs some European countries.
 
Looks like a sign of big company with genuine motivation to open source their software platforms
 
9:09 PM
That's so fucking nonsensical for Stackoverflow
 
@TonyTheLion Even there, it's not entirely clear-cut though. If you're really negligent enough, you can be convicted of murder even without true intent to kill ("reckless indifference"). For example, if you're speeding, lose control of your car, and kill somebody, it's probably manslaughter. If you blindfold yourself, then drive full-throttle down a busy street, and kill somebody it'll probably be considered murder even if there wasn't exactly specific intent to kill.
 
As if low-rated "players" are necessarily strictly worse
 
@Columbo Just about as nonsensical as the current SO rep ranking. It's better to have two flawed measures than one...
@Columbo At least you can correct for the 2-5k rep users who are merely there because they post /a lot/ of half baked shit that is just good enough to not-be-punished-out-of-orbit
 
@JerryCoffin Yea, I know why I'm not a laywer
 
For the rest. Yeah. In boost I rarely interact with any buffs. So, that just means I don't "compete"/proof my ranking, I guess
 
9:12 PM
@sehe Did that change since Jan 2015?
 
For me it did. It went from being unknown to in my attention
 
@CatPlusPlus ~Mantle~
 
@sehe That's the principle of democracy, isn't it? The opinions of enough people always add up to a "correct" answer, regardless of how uninformed, ignorant and sometimes even downright stupid those people may be! :-)
 
> The opinions of enough people always add up to a "correct" answer
 
@sehe That may be true for many but not all.
 
9:13 PM
I don't know that is necessarily true in all cases :P
 
Oh look another open world action adventure survival Far Cry game with animals
 
Richard Smith's or bogdan's answers were superb and they only had <5k rep most of the time
@sehe True.
 
@JerryCoffin Really, in this case it could be informative to at least contrast one broken metric with another one, just to avoid absolutizing the one
@Columbo ikr
 
> In order to enhance your immersion, the entire dialog audio is in a primitive language inspired by Proto-Indo-European, a language that was spoken by our ancestors 12,000 years ago, and subtitled in English.
im so immersed
 
@TonyTheLion By definition, this is what makes democracy.
 
9:15 PM
True
 
@CatPlusPlus ...but can't understand shit
 
user406009
@sehe You are really seeing more and more of that same sentiment as time goes on.
 
Also fucking hell how many Warhammer 40000 games are there
 
user406009
Reddit for instance has been pretty much completely converted at this point.
 
@Columbo For ELO to "work" there needs to be 1-1 competition. That's not how SO Q&A works (otherwise there should not be any reputation unless a competing answer arrived)
 
9:16 PM
@sehe I suppose there's some point to that--at least if you stick to the fact that "correlation between the two is poor; clearly both are suspect." Unfortunately, where the two agree, I suspect quite a few will conclude that it really proves something.
 
@Lalaland Yup. I think that's really healthy. Sad that it comes so late for Sweden
 
user406009
@sehe Also, another problem with ELO for SO is that this site is not a competition.
 
@sehe Ack.
 
user406009
We don't play to win.
 
user406009
We (usually) just want to help someone.
 
9:18 PM
ELO?
 
@EtiennedeMartel apparently it's still problematic to order from canadian amazon here
 
@JerryCoffin The same fallacy lurks when only using one metric (but more heavy). I still think more information helps. More POVs usually add nuance
@Lalaland That's what I meant
 
@sehe There also needs to be a meaningful definition of winning. In chess, that's pretty clear-cut. On SO, they use "answer accepted" as a proxy for winning (which, by itself, pretty much means it's measuring how people game SO, not how well they answer real questions).
 
@Nooble sup nooblet?
 
@TonyTheLion eating lunch
 
9:18 PM
@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean, "problematic"?
 
@Nooble enjoy :)
 
user406009
@Nooble At this time of day?
 
@TonyTheLion thanks :)
@Lalaland yes
 
@BartekBanachewicz Canoes take a while to reach Poland
 
interesting, StackRating has rated Andy as the 5th
 
9:19 PM
The 5th what
 
@EtiennedeMartel well apparently nvm
@JerryCoffin not the same issue
 
in C++, 10 secs ago, by sehe
It's funny to see (a) the people who're actually helping in this room (b) how much that help is being absorbed
 
@BartekBanachewicz And looking more carefully, not available anyway.
 
@KhaledKhnifer Nice.
 
user406009
9:21 PM
@sehe It does seem like that room is somewhat effective.
 
user406009
At the very least, it's better than drama matches in here.
 
@KhaledKhnifer ...and James as third (he was a Lounger before MS hired him).
 
user406009
I originally thought that Bryan was foolish for creating a new room, but it has sorta worked out.
 
woo, I'm...8,193rd :D
 
user1804599
 
9:26 PM
Oh boy oh boy .. I'm the 3,656,214th
 
I wanna see who's 3,141,592nd
 
user1804599
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus Supposedly they are only doing that because NVIDIA is killing them with CUDA.
 
user406009
Corporations only act in their own best interest.
 
And so is everyone else
 
user406009
9:28 PM
@CatPlusPlus Nah, people sometimes act for altruistic reasons.
 
@Lalaland lol
@Nooble So?
 
user406009
(And now someone brings up "but they are only acting in that way to release brain chemicals which make them happy, so they are still acting for their own interests")
 
Or you know the obvious contradiction seeing as corporations are run by people
 
user406009
I don't think there is a contradiction there.
 
Corporations and NK are organized in a similar way right?
 
9:31 PM
no
 
user406009
Corporations are run by people, but in the same way that a bicycle is run by a person.
 
Ell
@Lalaland I don't think so really
it's not about "chemicals which make them happy", it's about them wanting to be happy
 
corporations must still answer to their shareholders and ultimately, the people of the countries in which they do business (assuming a functional democracy)
 
user406009
Corporations are not free actors, they are forced to act to maximize shareholder value.
 
@Ell Which is implemented through a chemical action.
 
9:32 PM
No they're not
 
Ell
@Puppy implementation detail :P
 
@melak47 That would be a fake user fubar (note: userid = 1).
 
@Ell You're right, but it doesn't change the fundamental point he's making.
 
@JerryCoffin his rep is 1, not his userid
 
people always act strictly in their own self-interest
 
Ell
9:34 PM
I agree
he is disagreeing with that
 
the only difference between Doctors Without Borders/MSF and Hitler is what they perceive to be in their interest.
 
user406009
@Puppy How do you explain people donating to charity then?
 
user406009
Or soldiers throwing themselves on grenades?
 
@melak47 Ah, oops. I misread the "User ID" at the top of the page as a column heading.
 
it's a simple matter of what they perceive their own interests to be.
people who donate to charity perceive it as better when the poor are less poor, so they act to make that "better" happen
 
9:36 PM
@Puppy what’s 'own' about that
 
soldiers who throw themselves on grenades probably don't have sufficient time to have a logical thought about the matter, but it's still in their interests to feel that they have saved others
 
> 1497.00
I'm bad.
 
awwww :(
 
@LucDanton It's strictly their own worldview that it's better when the poor are better off, and they strictly act to push that worldview on the world.
 
@Lalaland Not even close to true. Corporations may act in ways somebody thinks will be in their best interests, but that's not necessarily even similar to what's really in their best interests. In a lot of cases, they don't even do that though--they may (for example) act in the best interests of their biggest investor(s), even if that's directly contrary to the interest of the corporation itself.
 
9:37 PM
@Puppy the 'own' in 'own interests'
or the 'self' in 'self-interest' I suppose
 
@LucDanton Your own interests doesn't have to strictly be your own personal profit or rational self-interest. It can be an emotional interest as well.
 
or the this in this->interest
 
nice DeadMGing
 
people donate to charity because they feel bad about all the poor people and they want to help them, so they donate to charity to make themselves feel better and satisfy their desire to assist.
it's a strictly self-interested action.
 
Ell
I think it's kinda irrelevant really though
that people do things "strictly" in their own interest
 
9:39 PM
I would in fact argue that non-self-interested actions don't really exist and are probably fundamentally impossible.
 
@Nooble He he he, 1493.18. Wait, is that better or worse?
 
Ell
@Puppy I think non-self-interested decisions don't exist
but you can accidentally do action which isn't self interested
 
@набиячлэвэлиь worse
 
well it's true that people always act according to their own perceptions of their self-interest
 
@Puppy You're hardly the first to argue that. For better or worse, there is no real answer though.
 
9:41 PM
which may or may not accurately reflect reality
 
@Nooble Decide on the fukken indent already
 
@набиячлэвэлиь but Minecraft
 
@Puppy suicide?
 
@JerryCoffin Personally, I'm totally cool with this outcome. I don't see the need to define altruism as some greater calling. It's a bit religious really.
 
@Nooble Merge the PR
 
user406009
9:41 PM
@JohanLarsson Puppy has defined self-interest to be pretty much everything.
 
user406009
So suicide is not an exception.
 
@Puppy I don't see any real reason to worry about it either, but some people seem to think it's important.
 
user406009
"The interest to escape" or some such.
 
@JohanLarsson People commit suicide because they want to end their perceived suffering; so they perceive it to be in their interests.
 
9:42 PM
it's just a significantly more extreme version of taking paracetamol
 
@Lalaland ok, this is where abandon discussion should have happened long ago right? :)
 
I perceive this discussion to be in my disinterest :p
 
@JerryCoffin Furthermore, I'd argue that it's simply unnecessary. I think that our existence and society proves that co-operation and tolerance are substantially more beneficial to everybody. You don't need to act out of your own interests to not be a stupid dick stealing money from everybody else (Google)
 
user406009
@Puppy What about all the unethical buisnesses out there which pray on the weak and poor?
 
user406009
Payday loans, etc, etc.
 
9:44 PM
@Lalaland It's simply a result of inaccurate perception of their interests.
 
user406009
They do quite well. They make a lot of money.
 
that's temporary
 
Stupidity is anything but temporary
 
dunno about you, but in my country, payday loans got the fuck regulated out of them because of all the shit they pulled
 
@melak47 Unfortunately, you've used the wrong word (but the right one doesn't really fit grammatically). The word you're looking for would be one related to "uninterested". Disinterested would be the ideal for somebody like a judge, who's interested to the point of paying close attention, but not interested in a particular conclusion being drawn (e.g., has no financial interest in the decision that's reached).
 
9:45 PM
and now operate under a fairly harsh regime, if I recall correctly, and are avoided by everyone like the plague because of the massive negative reputation they acquired.
they could, of course, have operated under a looser regime and made more money (for all) in the long term if they weren't so short-termist
 
@JerryCoffin jeez jerry :p
 
Oh yeah, jeez
I think I'm out
 
it's a simple matter of them being unable to properly account for the consequences of their actions
 
> How do the blind code and debug software
AlexM, did you know there are blind coders that write software? But, have you wondered how the blind write clean code and debug? Watch Parham Doustdar's CodeTalk on this Friday 12pm ET (9am PST, 5pm GMT) to find out more
 
9:48 PM
@Lalaland Most of it isn't really a question of whether they act in their own interest or not. It's a question of how they balance their short-term interests with their long-term interests. Most of what we find problematic in other people's actions is when they act in their short-term interests at the expense of longer-term interests.
 
I wonder if blind people also like monokai
 
@AlexM. if anything it helps
 
@JerryCoffin More specifically, I'd say that history typically shows that long-term (especially inter-generational) interests dominate short-term ones in a big way, much like big O.
 
@AlexM. do i still have to watch it if i never wondered and i dont care at all
 
@CatPlusPlus nope
 
9:49 PM
@CatPlusPlus yes it’s in your own self-interest
 
@AlexM. Braille?
 
@Puppy ...but most people tend to weight their short-term interests much more strongly than they (short-term interests) deserve.
 
I don't know yet it was in my email
I'll find out this Friday 12pm ET (9am PST, 5pm GMT)
 
@MadameElyse what the heck is going on
 
@JerryCoffin yup
 
9:50 PM
I hate changing keyboards
 
Ell
damn. I'm stuck on the interface for something.
 
ShitShitShitShitShitShit extra time in Scousers vs. Stoke game.
 
@Ell Can't get it in?
 
Ell
@Puppy haha
good one
I'll use that next time
 
I am a good one
 
Ell
9:53 PM
but no, just naming :V
 
lol
 
Ell
is there a word for either a row or a column?
 
7
Q: Common term for 'row' and 'column'

Duncan MathesonIs there a single term that can be used to describe both a 'row' and a 'column', such as in a spreadsheet? EDIT: I like Kris's comment-answer of "linear array", because it doesn't have so much of a loaded meaning as the other answers. "Axis" isn't bad considering I (purposefully) didn't specify ...

 
@AlexM. time to switch to Path of Exile
@набиячлэвэлиь r u a wizard
 
Ell
@набиячлэвэлиь thanks pal
 
9:55 PM
@LucDanton I literally pasted @Ell's message into Google, it's the first result
 
u r
 
Ell
@набиячлэвэлиь sorry I'm in vampire mode
 
@Ell you can suck on @AngryLettuce all night
 
user1804599
lol this is hilarious
 
Ell
@LucDanton thats fine with me, very juicy
 
I wanted to work on something 2 hours ago
Then I realised that would mean writing code
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah. Just do the typedefs, class declarations etc. Much safer.
Some {} stubs are also fine.
 
@AlexM. howaboutno.png
 
<3 <3 <3
 
10:07 PM
@Nooble DO EEEEET
 
@MadameElyse That guy is pretty funny. I mean, he's got easy material, but it's still funny.
 
user1804599
He wouldn't be as funny without the armour.
 
@Ell Stripe
 
slight surge of motivation, quickly fades, such is life
 
@MadameElyse That guy is awesome.
 
10:15 PM
Pirate bay's search is so wonderful
"Parks and recreatio" returns 0 results, adding an "n" at the end returns 828 results
I think that SQL's "LIKE" is actually better
 
Ell
lol
 
which one?
 
all of them
 
I'm not sure if there is a "the" pirate bay anymore
aren't they 99999999 clones or something?
 
thepiratebay.se
It keeps changing domain anyway
 
10:18 PM
It's fair to say that, in gereral, and taking all factors into account, and across the range of options lists, that TPB search is totally fucked up.
 
but is that a historical fact or an observational fact?
 
@Puppy Both - the current proxies are no better or worse, but more work for AdAware:(
Pppppppenalties:(
 
TPB has been fucked for a long time
 
Shit, Crouchy saved.
 
user1804599
10:20 PM
@Shoe Use proper full text search tools.
 
Such as?
 
user1804599
Or, if you can't get them, PostgreSQL full text search supports fuzzy search and stopwords. Better than LIKE but still inferior to specialised tools.
 
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
 
we use Lucene at work
 
user1804599
@Shoe I have used Solr and it worked well although it was a pain to configure. There are probably better alternatives though.
 
10:22 PM
Solr is a pain
ES is less, but still if you don't know what you're doing you're going to have a bad time
 
woot, finally got my arse moving and applied somewhere properly...ish
 
@набиячлэвэлиь I've got a puppenalty for you
 
@thecoshman now to keep doing that once a day
 
 
Programming when you're drunk is pretty fun, but programming when you're high... wow, lol, I can't even.
 
10:25 PM
wait, you're high?
 
@Puppy Hi Daisy!
 
@TonyTheLion Why, yes.
 
ello
 
@Morwenn High on what
 
Daisy <3
 
10:26 PM
@Morwenn interesting
 
@Shoe High on catnip.
 
@TonyTheLion o_0 I was planning on once a week, I should somewhat not drunk for this, no?
 
@thecoshman yea you should try to apply to things while sober. Also I think you need to do more than once a week.
At that rate you'll still be looking for a job next year
 
time for puppy to take DRUGS
 
Quantity of CV's you put out, is going to produce responses
 
10:28 PM
but effort man
 
do you want a new job or not ;p
 
I need something to bitch and moan about
 
> For some reason guarded initiation give a free 160 vitaility.
 
I guess I'll always have you puppy
 
never change anet
 
10:29 PM
@thecoshman You want to bitch about me? Bitch about this, bitch
 
@Puppy Personally, I'd rather just have the paycheck and skip the job.
 
@JerryCoffin :D
 
@JerryCoffin If that offer is on the table for you, then take it ;p
 
@Puppy I'm typing this from work, so it apparently hasn't happened yet...
 
and this is why I like IRC
 
Ell
10:31 PM
Is there some web service which I can put a load of examples of a function into and it will output an equation? :V
 
I'm getting better at this thing
 
Ell
Like
f(3,1,5) = 7
f(1,1,5) = 5
f(4,3,5) = 13
 
Has anybody here implemented some payment option for something?
 
We're c++ peeps
 
@Ell Wolfram Alpha is it, and no.
@Shoe No.
 
10:33 PM
@Ell that sounds like Linear Algebra
 
@sehe The Shoe likes PHP, remember?
 
@TonyTheLion No.
 
I also like your mum
 
@BartekBanachewicz what is zwi ?
 
Ell
10:33 PM
@KhaledKhnifer it sounds like it, but it's not
 
I don't remember any Lounger that likes PHP
 
@Shoe She'll be happy to hear that.
 
Ell
they are not just linear variables
 
@Puppy The Shoe confessed this a while back
 
@TonyTheLion She knows :)
 
10:33 PM
and I don't think anybody would dare to show their face here after admitting to like PHP
 
@Shoe lol
 
@Ell There's literally an infinite number of functions that can produce that output.
 
@Puppy he is a shoe after all
 
Ell
@Puppy right
so it shouldn't have any trouble ;)
 
10:34 PM
Oh come on
Even rightfold likes PHP
 
http://nl.mathworks.com/help/nnet/gs/fit-data-with-a-neural-network.html?requestedDomain=www.mathworks.com could be a starting point

Actually I was looking for http://neuralnetworksanddeeplearning.com/chap4.html this one
 
> rightfold
 
Also I said that I used PHP, not that I like it
 
everything has been said
 
Ell
10:35 PM
@sehe ah thank you
I'll have a go on a university computer tomorrow if I don't figure it out manually before then
 
Jan 5 at 20:24, by Angry Shoe
I love web development.
oh I misremembered
it was this that he confessed not so long ago
 
@Ell There's an infinite number of answers, so I don't see how you can figure out the one the lecturer happens to be thinking of
 
your example is like this
f(3,1,5) = 3x + 1y + 5z = 7
f(1,1,5) = 1x + 1y + 5z = 5
f(4,3,5) = 4x + 3y + 5z = 13
 
in fact one might say that it's of a probability infinitely close to zero, which is = 0 in R.
 
Ell
@KhaledKhnifer yeah, that would be right if I was solving for variables x,y and z
 
10:38 PM
http://nl.mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/polyfit.html and http://nl.mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/spline.html
Also Excel has it: https://www.google.nl/webhp?#q=excel%20curve%20fitting
 
@Nooble MERGE THE THING
 
@KhaledKhnifer It's completely not like that at all.
you're pre-supposing that x, y, and z even exist in such a trivial linear fashion.
 
^
 
which there's no guarantee that they do.
it could be f(x, y, z) { if (x == 1 && y == 1) return z; return x + y + z + rand(); } or a literally infinite number other such possibilities.
 
I am pretty sure he asked for an "equation"
 
10:41 PM
even with an equation, you can if necessary perform such things.
 
Ell
@KhaledKhnifer right, but even if I did you are making the assumption that x,y & z are linear
 
> In an integer constant expression (ICE) [...]
We've been wrong about ICEs all this time :o
 
@Puppy can your example be written as an equation ?
 
you can do things like I dunno, f(x, y, z) = (x mod 2) * (y mod 2) * z + (x + 1 mod 2) * x + (y + 1 mod 2) * y + (y + 1 mod 2) * (x mod 1 + 2) * z
@KhaledKhnifer Yes.
you can implement if in terms of multiplication, modulus, and a bit of creativity.
subtract and jump if not zero, which you effectively can do in terms of multiplication by 1 or 0, is a single-instruction Turing-complete machine.
 
Bartek, Bartok, Bartesz, Bartosz - what's the difference anyways
 
10:48 PM
Bartek is a short form of two completely different names because people are bad
 
@KhaledKhnifer he asked for a formula, he didn't say the arguments would be a matrix and the matrix would represent equations. You're really confusing this with linear algebra where it is nothing of the kind
 
(Well, not completely, but different nevertheless)
 
@Morwenn That's cold
 
@Ell it's called interpolation
 
Not really
 
@sehe I tried to simplify the problem in case f(x,y,z) = ax+by+cz, it could be solved as a system of linear equations to figure out the constants
 
@KhaledKhnifer except you filled in the function parameters as the constants (a,b,c) instead of (x,y,z).
That's the error.
 
@sehe yea I made a mistake
 
:)
I can honestly say most of my direct relatives are high as a kite.
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