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8:00 PM
ya, maybe
 
Such as?
 
but maybe not
no one can say for sure
 
Oh, this purple guy plonked me
 
That's why I felt a disturbance in the force
 
8:01 PM
@BryanEdds that's why I don't even touch C++
go figure
 
you can make good semantics with C++, it's just extra work
 
SEMANTIOCS
 
But I'd like to extend this question to everybody. I'm genuinely curious.
 
@Mysticial I think it mostly depends on the intended audience more than the source. When discussing things among themselves, sure. When publishing a journal article (where the intent is at least as much to impress as inform) the "formal' notation is a lot more common...
 
@BryanEdds whatever goats your float
 
8:02 PM
@JerryCoffin ~~formalities~~
 
@AngryShoe BMFont
 
@AngryShoe Lucky you! :-)
 
wouldn't it have saved us time if you had just said that in the first place? :)
 
never not ridicule C++ game engines
 
I must say
 
8:03 PM
@JerryCoffin Usually when I intend to say upper of lower bound, I explicitly say it rather than use the correct symbol for it. Since it's more understandable to a wider audience.
 
that the lack of any decent supporting libraries was a strong motivator to not attempt to make games
 
@Puppy Then say it
 
always ridicule programming tools with fundamentally broken semantics - regardless of use case / language
it's like bill clinton said, "it's the semantics, stupid!"
 
Ridiculing programming tools is like shooting the red cross
 
altho he has his own share of problems with semantics
 
8:05 PM
Actually making something that doesn't get ridiculed is the shit
 
@AngryShoe I didn't know that they were such excellent targets
 
@JerryCoffin The biggest improvement programmers did to variables is introducing words
 
RTA "It's too easy"
 
@Puppy, who said that?
 
and not just a dump of greek letters, latin letters
 
8:06 PM
@BryanEdds Who said what?
 
"that the lack of any decent supporting libraries was a strong motivator to not attempt to make games"
 
me
I just said it.
 
what
 
i thought you were attributing that to bartok
ah
 
Who is this guy?
 
8:07 PM
i've lost the plot... back to coding...
 
he's Bryan Edds
can't you see?
 
dunno, he said "fuck off" to ScarletAmaranth yesterday
 
user1804599
@AngryShoe your mom
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth fuck off
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug I did it today. I win.
 
8:08 PM
@milleniumbug lol, why?
 
@Mysticial i flagged as not an answer #yolo
 
@AngryShoe unacceptable dose of sarcasm
 
I said something witty
as I always do, naturally
and he took personal offense
and launched a counter-attack
 
it went a bit like this: "some code" "wow you've written a lambda" "arrrrgh you... you..." "what" "fuck off"
 
8:09 PM
@Borgleader I keep track of several popular questions, and most of them are flag magnets for copycat answers like that. :)
 
yesterday, by Bryan Edds
@ScarletAmaranth - Fuck off, troll.
lol
 
user1804599
fuck nooo why am I eating apples
I'm allergic to apples
 
Ell
oh elyse
 
scarlet plays underrail he's an ok guy
 
user1804599
inb4 itch
inb4 swollen throat
 
Ell
8:09 PM
what will happen to you?
 
@Elyse eat pears instead
 
sbi
> Back in those days getting a pixel onto the EGA buffer took getting out a hammer and chisel and chipping away at the silicon for an eternity. – Wes Cherry, the creator of Windows Solitaire
 
user406009
@LucDanton -1/10. No auto for the return for of main.
 
but he didn't play in a while so I'm tempted to think he's not an ok guy
 
user1804599
I forgot that I was allergic to apples.
 
8:10 PM
yeah well I have finals soon and awesome games done quick is rolling
I haven't had much time recently
 
@LucDanton no :Ï€
 
@Elyse I've always loved you
 
main.exe: clicked!
yaay
 
You'll be in our hearts, forever*
 
user1804599
:p
 
8:11 PM
*<small>Until we forget you</small>
 
@Mysticial Yeah, like I said--as far as I can see, the "correct" symbols get used primarily when the intent is to impress people. When we care about communicating clearly, we (pretty much all, I think) use words. In the end, I think most of the notation is really a solution in search of a problem.
 
i officially have a working butan
 
@BartekBanachewicz Pics of tits or it did not happen!
 
sbi
@wilx Only that a moderately good knife doesn't have to be very expensive. You can get one for about €100, if you look well. I am sure you have more expensive and way less frequently used kitchen implements.
 
So, this Bryan guy is yet another guy that stepped in the lounge with the wrong foot, I see
 
8:13 PM
WHATS UP
 
@AngryShoe I dare say that is not something that is hard to do
 
yesterday, by Bryan Edds
jeebus right fucking back at you
 
sbi
@Morwenn Shrug. This started when you objected to me saying this was a bad knife. If you do not want to argue, then why start an argument? :)
 
Not with this... aggressiveness
 
@AngryShoe yea he's a bit of a cheeky fucker
 
8:14 PM
hey, if you want me to block you, line up
 
get it done and over with right away
 
@BryanEdds I could just kick you, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt
 
crap now I have to specify all of those events
 
for what?
 
8:15 PM
:-\
 
what a waste of memory on SO's servers
 
he'll be fine
 
mouse off and on and uh
 
plonk
 
there's nothing here warranting a kick.
 
8:15 PM
why is he trying to antagonize himself so much?
 
eeeeeeeeffffffffooooooooooooooooooort
 
I have no idea
 
sbi
@BryanEdds For annoying the users.
 
ya, that's not an overly broad, inconsistently enforcible rule
 
@BryanEdds vs the world
 
8:16 PM
@TonyTheLion Bryan is nice, he will make you proud.
 
@JohanLarsson I'm sure
 
It's a set of rules
 
really I don't see what he has possibly done at this juncture
 
Someone ask him what "rule" is he referring to
 
he was being perfectly pleasant.
 
8:17 PM
Your sarcasm is killing me puppy
 
none present
 
@Puppy I dunno about "perfectly", but at least not being sufficiently unpleasant to warrant a kick right now (IMO).
 
whoa
So
does anybody have any new years resolutions
 
why don't we just go back on topic
 
yea this time he did nothing worthy of kicking, I was just showing off my powers :P
@BryanEdds scott meyers is not here to talk about his retirement
:(
 
8:18 PM
@TonyTheLion roaring?
 
sbi
@BryanEdds Be nice.
 
@VermillionAzure About 30 years ago I made a new years resolution to quit making new years resolutions. I've still sticking to it.
 
@TonyTheLion Scott is here?
 
18 hours ago, by user3886129
@TonyTheLion is a pretty scary lion.
 
8:19 PM
also
 
@sbi - this rooms breaks that rule to pretty much everyone who steps in here
 
this is awesome:
 
I'm scary apparently :(
 
but I'm full of love <3
 
8:20 PM
<3
 
so no, you can't enforce that
 
:27934102 No need to remove that. My being older than dirt (or is that "dirtier than old"?) isn't exactly news.
 
not this room :)
 
@BryanEdds Yeah, but we fought hard against the mods to earn that privilege :P
You haven't
 
omg can we just talk about C++ stufff......
 
8:20 PM
o_O
 
personally
 
@JerryCoffin I thought it was a bit mean :(
 
I might even think about getting back into 3D or just graphics in general development
if there were supporting libraries worth a shit
 
@BryanEdds no
 
@VermillionAzure A bit median, perhaps, but definitely not mean.
 
8:21 PM
@BryanEdds WHY ARE SMART POINTERS NOT USING SECOND STRING AI WITH PROPER DIFFERENTIAL EXPRESSION TO MAKE BETTER USE OF GARBAGE COLLECTION AND DYNAMIC JIT PROFILING AND RECOMPILATION AT THE KERNEL SPACE
 
@TonyTheLion <3 <3 <3
 
@Puppy You were in it?
 
@AngryShoe he read an opengl tutorial and threw in the towel
 
everybody's first project is a game/engine
 
he wrote a game at one point, which didn't render on ATI GPUs
 
8:21 PM
@Borgleader <3 <3 <3 :D How is your day today fine sir?
 
Xeo
Coming next: Wide3D - programming in a whole new dimension!
 
@Puppy Not mine
 
@BryanEdds You can if you want (but have no particular right to enforce your wish to do so on anybody else).
 
@Puppy no, mine was a chat thingy
 
hm k271 headphones on sale
 
8:22 PM
@Puppy Why not just write a wrapper for openGL
 
in fact, the legendary Kyrostat was derived from my work
 
sbi
@BryanEdds That might well be. If that happened to you, I am very sorry for you. But then, this is a room frequently plagued with people confusing it with a helpdesk, and that has made the crowd here quite adverse to anyone giving the impression. I suggest you do what my message on the starboard says: relax, watch a while, get a feel for the room – and read the rules! You will see that the people here are a closely-knit community that, if a bit harsh sometimes, is rather social.
 
@JerryCoffin he thinks he's an arbiter of the topic to be discussed in lounge
 
Guys I have something to confess
 
8:22 PM
@Puppy I wouldn't admit that in public if I were you.
 
@AngryShoe coming out of the closet?
 
every time I unplonk puppy to laugh at him I just can't not be disgusted at his giant penisoid ego at his forehead growing with every said word
 
user1804599
@AngryShoe DO IIIIT
 
I have a terrible secret I've been hiding for years now
 
user1804599
are you a girl
 
8:23 PM
@AngryShoe what now
 
sbi
@AngryShoe We don't wanna hear it!
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz He's a shoe.
7
 
@sbi: that's fine. I just want to see who I need to block right off to make this room usable.
 
@sbi Oh ok
 
@BryanEdds Excuse me?
 
8:23 PM
@Xeo hihihi
 
I've tried to forget about it and stop the thinking of it, but I just can't.
 
@AngryShoe Are you more angry then usual?
 
@BryanEdds you're digging a deep hole
 
I love web development.
 
We're a Lounge. We take our lollygagging pretty seriously.
 
sbi
8:24 PM
@BryanEdds By this time, several of the regulars will have you blocked. That's your loss.
 
user1804599
loser
 
I'm sorry
 
I would stop digging if I were you, @BryanEdds
 
fair trade
 
@AngryShoe Indeed you are!
 
Xeo
8:24 PM
@AngryShoe shoe.js
 
sbi
@AngryShoe PLONK!
 
@AngryShoe OMG, that is seriously offensive
 
I just can't fight those feelings anymore
 
@AngryShoe have a hug
 
@AngryShoe you...
 
8:25 PM
@AngryShoe Where is @MadaraUchiha when you need him?
 
I dream of a future where people like me will not be made fun of or segregated :x
 
sbi
@Xeo On the Internet, nobody knows you're a shoe.
 
you leave me no choice
jefirio
 
@AngryShoe Don't try to fight it. Just take this lithium pill, and it'll be better soon.
 
I'm so sorry
 
8:25 PM
you motherf....
 
oh my
 
big guns
 
now you've done something
 
8:26 PM
he just whipped it out like no tomorrow
 
why ruin a piece of perfectly good pizza with ketchup :-\
 
@TonyTheLion better than yesterday, about to leave work soonish :) yours?
 
user1804599
@AngryShoe I'm very happy, actually.
 
@AlexM. PLONK
 
@Borgleader I had a great day off, where I gathered some more love I can dish out :)
 
user1804599
8:26 PM
The more web developers, the better.
 
user1804599
Because they can take the terrible part of my job.
 
@TonyTheLion :D
 
sbi
@VermillionAzure I like this one:
My resolution for 2016 is 1600*SortMyFuckingLifeOut
 
@Borgleader lol
I wish I could eat a pizza right about now
 
Xeo
@sbi Eh, who needs life
 
8:27 PM
no such thing as delivery in this town
 
1 message moved to bin
 
uuguuuuu
 
@AlexM. Sorry, but that was just too offensive to allow it to remain here.
 
I guess I better make some New Years Resolutions
 
8:28 PM
it's ok I think jefrey got the message
 
sbi
@Xeo Cats need many of them, I hear.
 
i'd need separate mutators for the element being triggered with mouseup/down
unless
unless.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Yay for moderation!
 
unless they're implied
 
@sbi CENSORSHIP
 
Xeo
8:28 PM
ITT Bartek getting fucked by his favourite language.
 
@sbi Moderation is only good with moderation.
 
@Xeo Haskell right?
Oh boy
 
sbi
Censorship is a fine thing if me or my friends are the censors.
 
Is there a reason why Haskell is so good again
 
@sbi I'm much more of a "extremator" than a "moderator".
 
8:29 PM
@Xeo no it's fine it's fine
 
@sbi (don't say Zoe Quinn)
 
user1804599
lmaocaml
 
I got this
 
user1804599
Zoe Queen
 
@VermillionAzure oh god
 
sbi
8:29 PM
@JerryCoffin You're a rather moderate extremator then.
@VermillionAzure sigh
 
@VermillionAzure it actually makes writing reasonable code feel good
 
@BartekBanachewicz I heard IO is hard to do
And how does Haskell handle threads?
 
@sbi It's sad, really. I try to do the wrong thing, and I still fail even at that... :-)
 
@BartekBanachewicz careful, you don't need Cinch Haskell Tutorial
 
sbi
@Puppy Not mine.
 
8:30 PM
good heads up
 
user1804599
@VermillionAzure Purity and good type system are two factors that give you incredibly many guarantees.
 
@VermillionAzure why don't you try it out and make your own opinion
 
@Elyse That's what I've been thinking of
 
@sbi This is what I use: imgur.com/a/CbrEu
 
user1804599
@VermillionAzure It's indeed quite hard to do I/O in a language in which you cannot do I/O.
2
 
8:31 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I did a little bit
@Elyse Then what's the I/O monad?
 
it's an imaginary concept
 
it's a monoid from the category of endofunctors specialized for general I/O
 
user1804599
The I/O monad is just a set of functions that allow you to manipulate programs that do I/O (called "I/O actions") in a certain way.
 
sbi
@wilx Doesn't look too bad. Can I see the back of the blade?
 
user1804599
The way you "do I/O" is to return an I/O action from main.
 
8:32 PM
@VermillionAzure You can use IO without using it's Monad instance BTW
 
sbi
@VermillionAzure A squared circle.
 
but then again people don't use the phrase "IO Functor" all that often
 
sigh
I still don't understand what monads, monoids, or endofunctors are
 
Ho ho
 
@VermillionAzure mathematical structures represented as type classes in Haskell
 
sbi
8:33 PM
1 min ago, by sbi
@VermillionAzure A squared circle.
 
Cinch and his ultimate challenge: a monad tutorial
 
this gon be gud
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz That sounds like what the people in my daughter's Sim game are speaking.
 
I'm actually looking forward to this one
 
@AlexM. I would love a slice of pizza right about now, ive barely eaten anything since yesterday due to stomach ache =/
 
8:34 PM
@sbi Years ago, I kind of pissed off a guy a bar (for a few minutes) when I observed something similar. He was partly of african descent, and had apparently played football at one time. Said something about a guy in the stands calling him nasty, racist names that (at the time) he didn't understand. I thought it was funny, which he didn't like, until I pointed out that what I found funny was a guy trying to be an asshole (which seems like about the easiest possible thing) but still failing.
 
user1804599
@VermillionAzure You don't have to understand what any of those are.
 
user1804599
They aren't vital for I/O.
 
@Borgleader no stomach ache here but kinda in the same situation
I think I'll walk to the restaurant tomorrow
 
@Elyse They're important from what I've heard
 
maybe
 
8:35 PM
inb4 rightfold's monad tutorial
 
it's kinda far away
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin :)
 
@VermillionAzure stop hearing then and start actually learning things or doing proper research
 
@BartekBanachewicz You make like I have all the time management skills in the world -_-
 
user1804599
main :: IO ()
main = putStrLn "Hello, world!" -- no monads!
 
8:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz he'll rather write a bad tutorial instead
 
@Elyse ugh
 
Ell
@VermillionAzure learn what they are after you've learned to use them
 
I'll crack Haskell some other time
 
@VermillionAzure either do or don't. Don't just scratch the surface and go around shouting random nonsense
 
user1804599
One way to implement IO:
 
8:37 PM
K
 
Can we elegantly use monads in C++ without a nice partial application syntax?
 
user1804599
type IO a = (String, a)

putStrLn :: String -> IO ()
putStrLn s = ("print('" ++ s ++ "')", ())

main :: IO ()
main = putStrLn "Hello, world!"
 
@sbi I kind of had this vision of the guy showing up at home after the game and his parents scolding him for his failure: "I spent 20 hours in labor, and 18 years raising my one and only son to be a racist pig, and after all my sacrifices, you failed me this way! I'm not sure if I can really even call you my son any more."
 
user1804599
Then, in Python, evaluate main and eval its result.
 
sbi
LOL!
 
8:38 PM
@Elyse ridiculous
 
user1804599
It keeps the program pure!
 
@VermillionAzure He is joking
 
user1804599
I'm not joking.
 
that's why I can't tell
 
user1804599
It's a perfectly valid way of implementing IO.
 
sbi
8:39 PM
Why would a program need to be pure? It's not Whiskey, is it?
 
Why can't we have a language where most things have metadata/tags/traits so we can just statically figure out which parts aren't pure
 
@Elyse No, because putStr . fst $ putStrLn "Hello World!" would compile
 
user1804599
It's just that fmap is gonna be a little difficult.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh my god that is disgusting.
 
user1804599
@AngryShoe So? Make IO abstract and problem solved.
 
8:40 PM
Sure
That's not what you wrote though
 
user1804599
@VermillionAzure Haskell can figure out which parts aren't pure, since it's always the empty set.
 
@Elyse Doesn't that make I/O hard
 
@EtiennedeMartel Could you please post a picture of some beautiful poutine to restore balance to the force?
 
user1804599
Just like Coq can figure out which programs halt and which don't, because all Coq programs halt.
 
Oh boy
 
8:41 PM
^ except for the ones that do not
 
if Haskell wants to enforce purity, why not just write most library functions in Haskell
 
Then you never have to write main in Haskell
 
Ell
lol
 
8:42 PM
woop woop cinch alert, get to the bunkers
 
@sbi I have added two more images with the other side of the knife.
 
lol, even luc mocks this guy
 
@EtiennedeMartel Mmmm...nice. I think I need to go to lunch now. Catch you all later.
 
i'm sorry cinch
 
Cinch is already not here, he's writing a tutorial for monads
 
8:44 PM
I'm just on here for just chatting mostly
I'm actually working on something in R
 
sbi
@wilx Um. I do not know what this is called in English, I just kinda translated from German. :-/ What I meant is the narrow edge opposite of the blade.
 
Nobody here uses R?
 
@sbi I didn't think it would be that long.
 
@sbi Oh...
 
@Morwenn neither did she
 
8:44 PM
Hey all, I realized that one doesn't already exist, so I created an on-topic C++ channel - chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/99852/c
 
@BryanEdds Guess what
Your URL extension is just c for the C++ room
 
i know :(
 
@BryanEdds good luck
and goodbye
 
i'm surprised one didn't already exist
 
sbi
@wilx Sorry. Mea culpa.
 
8:45 PM
yeah I like here better
@BryanEdds because this is it
 
goodbye?
where you going?
 
Except we'll answer on-topic questions if they're interesting
 
 Variable `m' is implicitly quantified due to a context
    Use explicit forall syntax instead.
    This will become an error in GHC 7.12.
hmm
 
it's not worth putting up with the potential abuse
 
@BryanEdds there were 4 that were frozen because of lack of interest
 
8:46 PM
still click :: Vec2 -> a -> Effect s looks nice
 
@BryanEdds laffo
 
now only
class EventReceiver s a where
    receive :: Event -> State a (Effect s)
and I should be able to do arbitrary messaging in the UI
 
@BryanEdds no you are, to your beautiful on-topic room
 
what do you call it when you optimize complete copies of returns into moves or partial returns or modifications in place
 
@BryanEdds Several have been attempted, but all have died due to inactivity.
 
8:49 PM
I'll be monitoring this room for abusive responses to questions, and will redirect people there.
 
this guy is a complete joke
 
user1804599
> what do you call it when you optimize complete copies of returns into moves
 
user1804599
standards compliance
 
user1804599
return always moves
 
user1804599
it's guaranteed
 
8:50 PM
so worst case, maybe that will at least improve behavior here.
 
@BryanEdds I'd like to point out, you don't have to stay here if you don't like it
 
@sbi Two more images. Is this it?
 
@BryanEdds Interesting idea, given that at least in recent memory, the most abusive responses were ones you posted.
 
sbi
@wilx Thanks, yes, that's exactly what I wanted to see. It lacks some scale, but from what I can see, it's not a really thick blade. That would be pretty good then.
 
ah, I just don't take kindly to people who initiate abuse.
especially for no reason at all
 
8:53 PM
@BryanEdds what abuse?
 
@TonyTheLion man this was a perfect opportunity to kick him ^^ - "what abuse?" (user has been suspended)
 
@Elyse what do you mean
 
@ScarletAmaranth Don't ban people. Don't ruin my fun.
 
Can't say about the German, but I can confirm that the French translation is... creative.
 
8:55 PM
@sbi It seems over 1.5 mm, less than 2.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Whaaaaaaat.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oolala? :D
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol what
 
sbi
8:56 PM
@BryanEdds Now, if you hadn't managed to annoy most of the chat users who know most about C++ by now, you might have had a chance to get questions answered in that room of yours...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oolalaland
 
Apologies for being late
 
nooblaland
 
@EtiennedeMartel It doesn't look German.
 
I take it things worked themselves out?
 
8:56 PM
@MadaraUchiha apologies accepted :)
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel That's not German. It's Flemish, I assume, but I wouldn't know if it is correct.
 
@Morwenn Honestly, it could be mutant dutchoid and I wouldn't notice.
 
@MadaraUchiha somewhat, we have a user claiming "abuse", but the only one thats been abusive, is that user himself
 
@EtiennedeMartel It advises not to drop hot coffee on sausages.
 
@MadaraUchiha I called you on a joke
 
8:57 PM
Well, I guess it's somewhat useful advice.
 
@MadaraUchiha WOLF!!!
 
@EtiennedeMartel hahahahaha, 11/10
 
sbi
@MadaraUchiha We have the zillionth attempt to set up a C++ room that's not a lounge. With some luck, this time it will work...
 
sense of entitlement is great in this one tho
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel my favourite is "l'area de oolala"
 
8:59 PM
The more I learn about @BryanEdds, the less I want to learn about @BryanEdds
 

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