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7:00 AM
Good afternoon.
 
7:14 AM
@AngryLettuce MM is roman numeral for million
one thousand thousands
so $30mm is the dumb way of saying $30 million
it's used in accounting
 
Romans are dumb.
 
Ell
Guys I had a dream I had a job deep frying pasta in Alan Rickmanns café
 
wut
 
when he died
I decided to watch harry potter
I'm on Deathly Hallows now
 
@Rapptz Who killed who?
 
Ell
7:16 AM
Cancer killed Alan rickmann :(
 
Alan Rickman played Snape.
and Snape killed Dumbledore.
 
Ell
And Harry kills ron also in the last film
 
no he doesn't
smh fam
 
@Ell I had a dream I had a job I was a waiter in a restaurant
 
Ell
I bet you didn't get to deep fry pasta though ;)
In the dream I deep fried some spaghetti but Alan told me off because I was supposed to only do penne
 
7:25 AM
pennis
 
who doesn’t dream about this
 
Ell
Benis
 
j'en marie le penne
 
Ell
What is Marie?
 
Oh, man, I just had a massive breakthrough after 2 days. Gawd, the equation is so pretty.
First, sleepy times. 8:31am, haven't slept for I don't know how much.
 
Ell
7:32 AM
I need to get out of bed bcos exam
Its v cold though
 
Yeah, I stuck my head outside 2 hours ago to get some fresh air. Too fresh for my taste.
-10°C here.
 
-16°C at Moscow
 
-10°C is still pretty nice
 
@ElimGarak render pls
 
Ell
Its 5 here I think
 
7:38 AM
Was -32 in Harbin
Have you girls heard of shrinkage
 
-7C in Chicago atm. Not too bad. Was -20 during the weekend.
 
6C I’m dying pls halp
 
Anything that drops down to single digit Fahrenheit is basically a, "I'm not fucking going outside". Even if I'm hungry.
 
30C here. :D
 
@LucDanton you mean degrees or hex
 
7:45 AM
yes
 
I knew it
 
// Deliberate pollution
using annex::literals::meta::operator ""_annex_meta_string_lit;
why ._.
-Wmissing-trailing-return-type pls :(
> error: invalid initialization of reference of type 'auto&' from expression of type 'const annex::ops::functors::get<4>'
weird but I can’t reproduce it and I can’t really be bothered
 
Xeo
8:03 AM
mornin
 
hola
 
Hello
 
> error: invalid initialization of reference of type 'const auto&' from expression of type 'const annex::ops::functors::get<4>'
yes that’s much better obviously
 
> cannot convert argument 1 from 'std::string' to 'std::_Tuple_alloc_t'
makes sense
 
well yeah
 
8:06 AM
I don't even know what's going on
ohhhhhhh
lol
how2bedumb
 
Xeo
@Ell So Voldemort is literally cancer?
 
aaaa it compiles and tests pass
 
Xeo
Luc, stop torturing the poor compiler
 
the poor compiler is unable to bind a reference unless I tell it the type like a toddler
 
Xeo
So? It's trying its hardest!
You should recognize that effort!
 
8:11 AM
well
 
TIL toddlers can bind references
Parenting by Luc
"By age 6 my younger son was able to infer types like a grownup"
 
/* what goes here???*/& ref = rhs; it’s literally a square peg–round hole toy
 
> hole toy
enough for me
 
can’t stomach the round peg–square hole toy?
apparently the actual name is 'peg boards'
> Pound-a-Peg Classic Toy
I thought not using a hammer was the point
 
Xeo
Better than Pound-a-Pig
 
8:15 AM
I guess adding a hammer to the game makes for a more interesting life lesson
 
Pound-a-Milf
 
morning
 
neato, I had my tests filled with template auto const& constant<some_niebler_function>; non-sense as a workaround and it looks like this has been fixed or at least improved
 
@AngryLettuce sup?
 
Ell
8:18 AM
@Xeo yes!
 
@TonyTheLion nm u?
 
Ell
young teacher
 
@AngryLettuce nm here either. I am glad its Friday
 
Ell
the subject of schoolgirl fantasy
she wants him
so badly
 
BTW @Mysticial did you see Intel just announced AVX-1024? WTF
 
8:20 AM
you bastard, I clicked that
 
Yeah it's insane right
Who'd need 1024 long vector instructions
 
yea completely crazy
 
> Upon discussing P0036R0 "Unary Folds and Empty Parameter Packs (Revision 1)" by Thibaut Le Jehan, EWG resolved to remove the defaults for empty parameter packs entirely. This paper presents the necessary wording changes to effect that.
I missed that
 
> Thibaut Le Jehan
 
that’s all defaults, even for the logical operators
on the whole I’m generally in favour of explicit instead of implicit but I’m kinda concerned that this makes requirements etc. more verbose
I have a lot of requires (CopyConstructible<X> && ...) and so on already
 
Xeo
8:27 AM
Hm. I don't quite see the trouble with the defaults for built-in types, tbh :/
They were pretty much the logical choice, weren't they?
 
yes, much as it it with logical ops and bool if you’re using the arithmetic ops with integral types you’ve already picked an algebra and the (quasi-)identities etc.
 
Ell
easy lover
she'll get a hold on you believe it
like no otherrr
I can't type quick enough for this :(
 
quick enough
I just did
quick enough for this
yep
@LucDanton le bool de Luc Danton
4
ayyyyy
 
Ell
> ¹You do not, however, need to know what a monad is. A correctness property of this tutorial is that the word “monad” should
appear exactly twice, both in this footnote.
nice
 
what is a monad
 
8:34 AM
@Xeo that being said, there is a very good argument outlining the differences between (0 + ... + pack) and (... + pack) as they were specified
cus the former actually is (static_cast<some_common_type>(0) + ... + pack)
 
Xeo
Hm, I guess
 
the latter actually splices a zero int in the empty case :/
 
@LucDanton ugh. (true && stuff && ...), (false || stuff || ...) for everything? screw fold, back to all(stuff...), any(stuff...)
 
First of all you didn't follow their advice - they specifically said a musical artist, of which Bieber is neither. — AviD ♦ yesterday
wow
 
@LucDanton yeah I ran into the implicit int for empty packs once. It was quite the unexpected result :)
 
8:39 AM
>mod
 
I also expect no shortage of 'should I use a left or right fold for this???' discussions in the near future
 
user1804599
Z shell globbing is really rad.
 
user1804599
t/**/*.t~t/fixtures/**/*.t returns files matching t/**/*.t sans those matching t/fixtures/**/*.t.
 
4
A: Syntax issue when populating an array with a fold expression

Vaughn CatoSince the comma operator is left-associative, you would ideally use a left unary fold: (...,void(arr[i++] = pack)) The cast to void is to make sure that the built-in comma operator is used. In this case, the handedness doesn't actually matter.

like that
 
user1804599
Ugh, fold expressions.
 
user1804599
8:41 AM
What a horrible underthought feature.
 
@LucDanton when was this? Cause I remember them taking away the defaults, and cppreference tracked that change...but atm they're back on cppreference.
 
@melak47 came in the latest mailing i.e. November, here
 
@LucDanton :(
 
the obvious fix would be "(... && pack) means (true && ... && pack)" (and so on for right folds) :|
how2languege
 
I don't understand what the point of keeping the first syntax without init element is then.
Just to have a special case that breaks when you get an empty pack? :p
 
8:51 AM
one of the papers around the topic raised that we could have (conjunction_left_unit<bool> && ... && pack) and so on for full customization (for types other than bool of course), dunno how I feel about that
@melak47 that’s not pointless
I’m ambivalent about it because the example they raised were using + syntax for a magma
 
Ven
@LucDanton implement monoids! :D
 
@LucDanton a magma? what? :D
 
In abstract algebra, a magma (or groupoid; not to be confused with groupoids in category theory) is a basic kind of algebraic structure. Specifically, a magma consists of a set, M, equipped with a single binary operation, M × M → M. The binary operation must be closed by definition but no other properties are imposed. == History and terminology == The term groupoid was introduced in 1926 by Heinrich Brandt describing his Brandt groupoid (translated from the German Gruppoid). The term was then appropriated by B. A. Hausmann and Øystein Ore (1937) in the sense (of a set with a binary operation) used...
and how 'fine grained' you want to be (or allow users to be), and how you present that to users, does not have a simple answer
 
Ven
You don't get the identity element with only a magma, though.
 
user1804599
You are wrong for expecting anything good to be added to C++.
 
8:57 AM
@Ven I only skimmed the argument, it may be that they started with a magma (as to why it’s useful to have the (... + pack) form maybe as @melak47 asked) then progressed, as if a user might also need left and right units
 
I just don't see how it's useful to leave the (pack op ...) form. Sure there are places when you know you won't get an empty pack, but only you know that. move the function and oops :D
 
Xeo
// guys, does this look like a proper strict-weak predicate?
if (left.value == right.value)
    return (left.name < right.name);
return (left.value > right.value);
 
@melak47 oops what?
 
user1804599
C++ is like JavaScript: what you get when you have people who are terrible at algebra design a programming language.
 
Ven
whereas D and Java where designed by very good algebraists.
Algebro
 
8:59 AM
@Xeo yeah, looks awful though
 
Xeo
?
 
@LucDanton then you have that possible case that won't compile again. And then you have to fix it when you run into it later :)
back in a bit
 
to review
 
user1804599
@Ven D and Java are similar.
 
Ven
o rly
but one allows for string metaprogramming :P
 
9:00 AM
@melak47 well, what would you rather have?
silently compile into garbage?
 
@Xeo yes, it's strict-weak.
easy to prove, at the last line left.value != right.value
 
Ell
Okay exam time
Wish me luck vOv
 
@Ell gL!
 
good luck @Ell
 
@Ell good luck
 
9:09 AM
Hey guise
 
hi
 
> There's a PVE event in the center of the [WvW borderlands] that causes that lag when there are enough players present.
 
My quads are still burning ugh
@slaphappy I'll have to do my groceries this evening (around 7pm), I should be available around 9pm but I may be a little late :)
 
@Rerito Actually I'll have to cancel, I have a friend coming over :( sorry
 
Ven
@MadameElyse L?b*bytb1yQ is the recursive factorial! with L compiles to def y(b):...
 
user1804599
 
@sehe skydiving hacker, that's as cool as someone gets :p
 
Is there anyone here working with SPARQL?
 
@LucDanton remove the form that allows you to make the error :p
 
@melak47 under the same logic, you would remove templates altogether because it is possible to have erroneous templates
 
If I have foo(string.c_str()), can I get foo to deduce its argument as char*&& or does that not make sense
 
9:20 AM
no templates, no template error
@AngryLettuce needs a const but yes
 
Xeo
@AngryLettuce Doesn't make sense - c_str returns char const* :P
 
you pedants
 
Xeo
Where would we be if we weren't, eh?
 
17
A: Are humorous comments considered acceptable content?

CodeCasterFrom the Help Center, When should I comment?: When should I comment? You should submit a comment if you want to: Request clarification from the author; Leave constructive criticism that guides the author in improving the post; Add relevant but minor or transient information...

 
Here's an unwilling thank you
 
9:22 AM
@slaphappy no fun allowed
 
I personally find fun offensive and humor triggers me
#madara2016
 
> As you can see, "being a clown" is not on that list.
you guys are clowns
 
Not possible I've tiny feet
 
I’ll have you know the comments I leave are strictly professional
 
@AngryLettuce lol
 
9:24 AM
@LucDanton I just think it's silly to have this. Hmm I wonder if foo(Args...) can deal with empty parameter packs - because there sure is no way to tell from the signature :/ let's find out! :D
 
Ven
@AngryLettuce what, do you want to move from a char*? :P
 
why add another special case that people need to keep track of :/
 
@melak47 while C++ doesn’t have an operator for it, the classical example is the minimum or maximum value
@melak47 there is no special case, you are confused
 
Ven
@melak47 'course it can
 
@Ven Just wanted to provide some helpful diagnostics
 
9:27 AM
@Rerito can't we just call each other? I bought a webcam for my desktop PC but it burned several USB ports, so now I don't have a webcam and I have to return my mobo. I'd have to use my netbook :/ Also I won't be in town this week-end.
 
> Pass an enum to a function - by value or by reference?
 
@slaphappy Ofc
I was about to propose a meetup this week end xD
 
ITT Rerito and kbok have skypesex
 
Hey, gotta do some g4p to pay the steroid bills
 
g4p?
 
9:29 AM
gay for pay
 
lol
 
kbok pretending he doesn't know what it means
nice try
 
@LucDanton the special case (in my mind :)) is "you can use (pack op ...) unless you expect to get zero size packs"
 
A few bodybuilders (if not many) do that to afford their steroids cycles
 
They're gay lol
 
Ven
9:30 AM
Bodybuilders are gay. Just admit that fact.
 
A good number of gym goers are
 
@melak47 see: minimal or maximal value
 
@Ven I know one pro bber and he's not gay
 
Ven
@AngryLettuce They go very hard ~
 
There's a famous g4p involving Kai Greene and a grapefruit (just google images Kai Greene grapefruit and enjoy)
 
9:32 AM
"I have sex with men but am not gay"
You know what I should do the same, straight4pay
to afford the sarcasm bills
2
 
@LucDanton ok, I see.
 
otherwise I could just outsource the sarcasm to Luc and Cat
 
Is it true that in Asia muscular guise are thought as gay?
 
no
In Korea yeah kinda
here in China I don't think so
 
@LucDanton With concepts-lite, can you say max(Boolable... args) requires { sizeof...(args) > 0 } ?
 
Ven
9:36 AM
@AngryLettuce 2gay2censor
 
@melak47 whoah that’s not how it works
close though
 
@Rerito nope
 
@melak47 correct but no braces
you really, really have to mind the difference between the two sort of requires
 
I haven't really looked at concepts yet, I didn't even know there were kinds :D
hehe
 
I’m deleting it because it’s so wrong
 
Ven
9:41 AM
why does a concept require an explicit bool return type btw?
 
@Ven I assume keeping it close to the usual declarator syntax is saner, and sticking to bool is no loss of expressivity
 
@Ven you want true, false, concept_not_found? :)
 
@melak47 think the differences between void foo() noexcept(is_even(0)); and void foo() noexcept(noexcept(is_even(0));
 
ok
 
Ven
@LucDanton no. the issue is that the core group will have an insane idea that'll involve it not returning "bool", and C++ will get a lot more complex again
 
9:44 AM
'no' what?
 
Ven
it's not saner. they'll find a way to make madness out of it again
 
@LucDanton no
 
@Ven it is saner, if a tool can parse constexpr bool foo = 3; then it’s close to parsing concept bool foo = 3;
 
Ven
@LucDanton for now
 
user1804599
Concepts are terrible anyway.
 
user1804599
9:46 AM
Fuck templates.
 
@melak47 that’s actually a very good find, I’ll keep those examples in mind as I’m sure someone else will run into it
 
user1804599
Deprecate templates and introduce proper parametric polymorphism.
 
@Ven the committee is not in the habit of breaking backwards compatibility, so what’s the risk again?
 
Ven
@LucDanton Why are you talking about backwards compat
The risk is complexity
 
3 mins ago, by Luc Danton
@Ven it is saner, if a tool can parse constexpr bool foo = 3; then it’s close to parsing concept bool foo = 3;
 
Ven
9:49 AM
3 mins ago, by Ven
@LucDanton for now
 
and they’re not changing it to something wild and unpredictable
 
The South Butt, LLC was a clothing and accessories company. The South Butt was founded in May 2007 by Jimmy Winkelmann Sr. and Jr., the latter being a 16-year-old student at Chaminade College Preparatory School. The South Butt dissolved in June 2011. Winkelmann Jr. claimed the company was a parody of The North Face, an American outdoor product company. In August 2008, The North Face sent a cease and desist letter to Winkelmann threatening to sue him if he did not "cease all promotion and sales of South Butt products and abandon his trademark registration application." According to The North Face...
lol
 
Ven
We'll just see how C++23 adds to concept where you actually return a T&?!&?
2
 
since you asked about bool specifically, if a tool can parse constexpr definitevely_not_bool foo = 3;, then it’s close to parsing concept definitevely_not_bool foo = 3;
I’m not crazy here am I?
 
Ven
I have no clue what you're answering, but whatever
 
9:50 AM
9 mins ago, by Ven
why does a concept require an explicit bool return type btw?
that one
 
Ven
@LucDanton okay, but I've made it clear I fear they're gonna use that "backdoor" to introduce more complexity later
 
when you asked the question, were you looking for an answer?
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion lol
 
if you have something else to ask or comment on, then yes I suppose my answer to that one question in particular may not be applicable
 
Ven
@LucDanton I wanted to know if they already planned something else than bool there
 
9:52 AM
@Ven oh; then no
 
user1804599
@Ven auto
 
Ven
@MadameElyse auto in C++23 is not able to deduce a &?!&?-qualified argument. You need autodecl(decltype(auto))
 
user1804599
> A US retailer must soon appear in court for the death threat of a black robber. The 41-year-old herbalist Kevin Green would have threatened to call the police.
 
My phone just corrected "software" to "disease".
I'll send the message anyway
 
@Ven closest thing off the top of my head is that requires clauses only accept bool atoms exactly, which could be relaxed to accept contextual bools. but that doesn’t affect concept declarations.
 
9:55 AM
@Ven also available under the easy to remember alias std::declauto_tv<auto> :)
 
"I'm a disease engineer"
 
Ven
@LucDanton "just wait & see"
@melak47 true, thanks
 
@Ven it’s… not a sinister cabal of evil warlocks
 
it kind of is
admit it
 
Ven
The C++ committee definitely is a sinister cabal of evil warlocks.
 
9:56 AM
@AngryLettuce no, they’re druids
 
Ven
Which warlock you back is your choice.
 
these aren't the druids you're looking for
 
Ven
You must construct additional templates
7
 
guys
c++98
boost lambda or boost phoenix?
 
Ven
phoenix
 
9:58 AM
phoenix, but consider local function instead
 
it’s 2016 stop being afraid of concepts
@slaphappy not a big fan of Boost.Lambda
 
@slaphappy Dunno about your use case but in the past I got a lot of work done with boost::bind and boost::function.
 
@LucDanton It's been barely 3 weeks
 
exactly
 
user1804599
@slaphappy No.
 
user1804599
10:14 AM
A customer called. He wanted a new webshop. I told them the webshops were out of stock.
 
Ven
Slaphappy? Who's this, Chris Brown?
 
user1804599
kbockx
 
Are you familiar with this? :)
@MadameElyse Like that or in a more oblique way? :)
 
user1804599
@wilx No.
 
user1804599
But it looks awesome.
 
user1804599
10:16 AM
Perl <3
 
user1804599
You should add use warnings; though.
 
@MadameElyse I actually do in the real code.
 
user1804599
+1
 
@Ven don't you see the pictures?
 
Ven
@slaphappy a man's gotta joek, cmon
 
10:19 AM
what pictures
All I see is a Ven diagram
2
lafffffffffffffffffff
 
Ven
Venn* diagram
@wilx didn't you "steal" this code from a blogpost? :P
 
@Ven Part of it, yes.
 
@Ven Vennn* diagramm
 
@sehe Nice
 
@AngryLettuce don’t split a rib
 
10:30 AM
Didn't see cat much lately now unconf is probably going to be at his doorstep
 
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper Well, you vote counts too! (I hope.) Vote for Prague!
 
I voted for HK, so I get a chance to turn up finally ... :p
 
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper I see.
 
Ven
Chris Brown = Début de Soirée, il chante dans Nuit de Folie: "Tu tapes tapes tapes, c'est ta façon d'aimer"
 
c’est seulement possible s’il devient radicalement sombre et francophone
 
10:37 AM
> terminate called without an active exception
> Aborted
trop radin pour un core ?
fdp
 
@Ven dude
 
where is @Cat
 
Ven
@slaphappy dsl
 
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper lettuce x telkitty
 
10:47 AM
inb4 madaration accident
 
madaration
you guys made a new word and no one told me
 
oh wow @Nooble good jerb #amazed
 
shitty error message
I'm posting it here, make a pr later
 
@Nooble Again?
 
10:54 AM
webdev
 
@AngryLettuce microsoft
 
make it bigger
 
she said
 
@AngryLettuce topkek
 
11:01 AM
> Pixel-perfect Retina-ready Fast Consistent Hackable No tracking
 
I want to std::iter_move(it);.
 
#include <king_julian>
 
std::move(std::move(it));
 
@Shoe Nah, always.
Also good morning.
@ThePhD BLIZZARD YAY
Too bad it won't be on a weekday.
Finally some fuckin' snow.
 
11:44 AM
Snow is a lie where I live.
They sometimes use pictures like this but there is snow like once every ten years there.
 
@AngryLettuce I wish I held that title.
 
sup @Nooble :)
 

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