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12:00 AM
@jaggedSpire I assume so too, it's from the wiki
 
Commercial suckpress theme, !important all over CSS
Top quality
I want to destroy something
 
@Johnathon no idea, there is not detailed data associated with that map, but from it's location on the world map, it's probably Uganda like you said
 
@jaggedSpire Well, stopping consuming alcohol was pretty unpopular, anyway. Some people liked the ban on sales pretty well. A lot of people made pretty substantial fortunes selling booze during prohibition--quite a bit more than they probably could have by legitimate means.
 
@AlexM. woah wtf
 
@JerryCoffin I imagine getting poisoned by the feds when you were only after getting drunk was also not high on people's list of "favorite things ever"
 
12:06 AM
It's funny they attribute the lack of casualties to the drills.
The evacuation drills, that is.
 
@JerryCoffin And to think, I've only just began :)
 
@jaggedSpire When people refer to getting shot as "lead poisoning", they don't really mean it literally... :-)
 
> says Muslim group
that explains everything
 
@AlexM. well now that's impressive
 
12:29 AM
@jaggedSpire Yeah, but it's a lot harder to treat that humorously though (not that shooting somebody is any less lethal, but somehow it still seems a little more open to being treated humorously, at least to me).
 
@JerryCoffin fair enough
 
user3790646
Dammnit, port forwarding is kicking my ass
 
bite it then
 
@Andrey hehe
 
user3790646
@sehe Thanks to you, btw :)
 
12:32 AM
At least now you know why you suck :)
Perhaps maybe you can even make it so you suck less in the future :)
 
user3790646
I think so :)
 
@Andrey This is a place that I've thought for years that most routers present the information really badly. A good GUI would make the job substantially simpler (I think).
 
@Andrey That's actually good. I think we all learnt it that way.
 
user3790646
@sehe Someday I'll think that too
 
user3790646
@JerryCoffin Thanks, I'll try forwarding the port on my desktop PC, if it doesn't work I'll try some GUI software
 
12:36 AM
@Andrey The emphasis here was on good. Unfortunately, I don't know of any such software--what I've seen ranged from bad to...something a lot worse than just bad.
 
user3790646
@JerryCoffin Alright, I didn't get it at all, my fault
 
12:56 AM
@Andrey It seems to me as if a first attempt at a GUI for port forwarding might look something like this:
 
user3790646
@JerryCoffin Oh I don't quite understand it
 
@Andrey Basically, you choose an external port. You draw a line from there to the internal machine that's going to handle traffic on that port. If you want to add some filtering (not shown in this picture) you might, just for example, right click the line and add a definition of the filter (e.g., ranges of allowed/prohibited IP addresses). It pre-populates ports for a few of the common protocols. If you want to define a new one, you click the + at the bottom and enter the relevant data.
The half-drawn arrow is my (crappy) way of showing that you're half done drawing a line from a newly added port to route data on that port to the third machine one the right.
So, assuming you're dealing primarily with well-known protocols, you pretty much just pick the protocol on the left, draw a line from there to the local machine (on the right) to which you want that traffic forwarded.
 
user3790646
@JerryCoffin Oh I see. That's interesting! That modifies the router configurations, right?
 
Do any standard containers, besides vector<bool>, require proxy types to implement reference and pointer types?
 
@Andrey That's the intent, yes.
@StackedCrooked I don't think so, currently. There's been talk of supporting iterators to std::bitset, which would almost certainly add the same. Oh, and if you want to get into it, some of the valarray stuff sort of acts kinda like them too, but not really (and they're not really containers anyway).
 
1:10 AM
std::bitset iteration is an interesting case. It's obviously a useful thing, but it can't satisfy the standard which requires deref must return an lvalue ref.
 
user3790646
Ah, I'm falling asleep
 
user3790646
I'm going to bed, good night to everybody =]
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah, the idea seems to pretty much depend on having (at least some sort of) concepts that would allow you to define a concept that would probably be at least a little different from that of any other existing container (with the possible exception of std::vector<bool>).
 
I know they are from different geographic regions and targeting different age groups
 
1:15 AM
@StackedCrooked does it even promise to be a container?
 
But if we combined two, the conclusion one could derive is: top 10%-20% drinkers live the longest (moderate drinkers who have 1-3 glasses of wines a day)
 
Dunno.
 
I think no
 
I think that's a bit harsh.
 
Note to self: systemd's RuntimeDirectory doesn't work very well for template units
 
1:22 AM
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper You get pretty nearly the full benefit from drinking within the few few units per day, so the one or two people at one or two glasses of wine per day are the ones who gain the most benefit. At the 95th percentile, you're at around 20 units a day, which puts you well behind even teetotalers for life expectancy, at least in theory. In reality, a lot of those are probably just college kids who'll graduate, slow down on drinking, and live long, healthy lives.
 
@StackedCrooked I had to visit the edit history to notice that was a pun
 
1:32 AM
@jaggedSpire watch out /cc @TonyTheLion @Morwenn
 
I'm not sure that POV pussy shots are SFW
 
1:49 AM
ugh, how do I escape the [] in [[stuff] bla](http://url.com/) ? :S
yay backslashes! :D
 
@Borgleader :D
 
That laugh track.
 
that html rendering of the standard draft is really useful for linking to :)
 
@melak47 Re-bookmarked
 
2:08 AM
😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓 https://t.co/7o08G4tuhV
lel
 
PCH is garbage hack
 
ccache, parallel build and pimpl are the tools of the trade to speed up builds.. build still slow though.
 
@sehe though I suppose it would be nice to also have renderings of N3337 and N4140 to link to.
 
@StackedCrooked yup. distcc if you have the gear and thge need
 
@StackedCrooked We use fastbuild at work, which does caching, and distributed compilation, and yet we still do a few other things on top of that and build times are still pretty bad (whenever i sync code anyway)
@jaggedSpire Guess what I'm playing :P
 
2:19 AM
@Borgleader ...LOTRO? :O :P
enjoying your TOR?
 
Yeah, I'm debating starting a new character. Apparently Imp. Agent & Rep. Commando are both worth doing.
 
> Observation #3: Software engineers use the Pareto Principle (also known as the "80/20 rule") to delay concern about software performance, mistakenly believing that performance problems will be easy to solve at the end of the software development cycle. This belief ignores the fact that the 20 percent of the code that takes 80 percent of the execution time is probably spread throughout the source code and is not easy to surgically modify.
Once you fix the first 80% you have to fix the next 80%.
It gets increasingly harder.
 
Well sure, but the 80/20 rule, i thought, was to bring home the point to not optimize "on sight" because some of those optimizations will have no effect on the overall performance
i.e. profile first, optimize later
sure it gets increasingly harder but at least spend your time where it matters
 
Sure. But early design decisions are crucial.
Especially concerning data layout.
 
user406009
@StackedCrooked tell that to all those people writing desktop apps in JS ...
 
2:26 AM
@Lalaland that would be a waste of time
 
Best advice on programming I ever heard comes from this video:
> Write code that is easy to replace rather easy to extend.
Just keep it simple and clean.
 
@Lalaland but the computer is so fast they don't need to worry about all that nasty low level stuff like resources you're just sad you don't have the awesomeness of js
 
@StackedCrooked Have you read The Art of Readable Code?
 
@Borgleader Yep. I think it's a very good book actually.
 
@Borgleader oooh
 
2:30 AM
I've been re-reading it this week. :)
 
Readability is the most important thing ever.
 
yes
jeezus, ive been going through some old code today, it had me pulling my hair out.
(not my code, this was at work)
 
At my work there's some ...bad stuff, as well.
 
@MadameElyse ahahahaha
How come the q-ran doesn't provide an answer?????
the comments are wrong even
it is sad
@thecoshman Wow you actually put raqqa you know that was a joke right
 
Ven
2:49 AM
Yo peeps
 
> VS 2015 Update 2's STL is C++17-so-far Feature Complete
Still not C++11 complete
This is not a game
 
@AngryLettuce yea, we know
 
No but it's annoying
They're parading like their compiler is some glorious gift or something
When it's in fact complete shit
And then they even anticipate people's complaints about C++11 like they're not valid
Fuck you
> Q: Argh, you're implementing C++17 library features before finishing C++11 compiler features.
A: That's not a question.
 
@AngryLettuce long live mingw w64 :)
 
STL is pissing me off atm
GOOD MORNING
 
2:55 AM
@AngryLettuce you must be speaking about the man, not the library. Yea, he's a spokes person of sorts, but for the library, not the compiler.
 
Yes the man
 
@AngryLettuce hey, STL is the standard library guy. He goes and implements everything he can. It's not his fault the compiler team isn't catching up fast enough :(
 
I don't care I still annoys me
 
@AngryLettuce VC++ pisses everyone off, I think
 
@AngryLettuce Right. It does us too. That's why we use gcc.
 
2:56 AM
I'm not supposed to care how MS splits up the work on its compiler
I don't have to care that it's two different teams
 
have you tried using "Clang with Microsoft Codgen"?
 
@AngryLettuce well, it's like this in the world of C++, if you want to code in C++ and you happen to use windows, you have a few choices, and they are all trade off's.
 
What I see: they brag about how their library is "C++17 feature complete" when their compiler is a retarded tetraplegic in a wheelchair
 
to get that C++11 fix :D
 
So it's ANNOYING
It's like idk, some airline bragging you can have wifi in flight when they don't even serve food
 
2:58 AM
@AngryLettuce well, i know this is going to piss you off, but they do have the best tooling for windows apps.
 
WHO CARES ABOUT THE WIFI GIVE ME FOOD
 
I laundered my scarf and now it is fluffy. :3
 
@StackedCrooked Yes, unfortunately, yes. It means that in a distributed environment we expect events or data to arrive actually to happen in particular order. lockstep. When problems arise that degrades, like if i receive an 830 i have to reply with a 997 etc... that sort of thing.
 
Ell
Hgtyy
 
3:01 AM
@jaggedSpire read that as "and now it is luffy". Got excited for a while.
 
@sehe you still awake? :D
 
@StackedCrooked I have knit and laundered a shonen protagonist, yes
I am expert level knitter
 
you're gonna be king of the knitters
@Johnathon Hm..
 
Ell
I feel
Bad
 
you should set the bad feelings on fire
...
 
3:05 AM
I feel bath.
 
so I'm watching the Meeting C++ talk on variadic templates because it was the first video in the list
@StackedCrooked you should set the bath feelings on fire
 
@StackedCrooked I think putting it together with the timeout and exponential backoff she mentioned, maybe something like: response times out after 1s, and just then the response is sent and now the server is waiting for your response for exactly 1 second, but you are retrying your other request again...and you end up lockstepped in timeouts instead of what you actually wanted?
 
you expect lockstep, the problem is when it dosn't happen
 
@melak47 I think so too.
 
@Ell drunk af?
 
3:06 AM
apparently it's hard to imagine uses for variadic class templates beyond implementation of tuple? Even though that's how you make variadic functions have specialized behavior for specific types?
:\
his variadic template print function used an if statement to test if the recursion was about to end, too
 
lockstep is required in transaction processing, EDI, MRP, ERP, etc.
 
@StackedCrooked silly ukrainians
 
@StackedCrooked I recall that being surprisingly difficult. At least it was during my few years in a marching band
 
totally irrelevant to her talk but lockstep was so important that the hardware a lot of that code runs on is implemented to run calculations in lockstep as well.
 
3:10 AM
I'm only a quarter of the way through this talk though
 
as in it was dual threaded, calculation was ran twice, and if the result of both was not identical it was discarded.
at the hardware level.
 
@jaggedSpire link?
Apparently female soldier videos is a thing on youtube.
 
that's where he's showing his variadic printing function.
it's a bit later he talks about how variadic classes are not very useful
 
@jaggedSpire That guy never seems to make sense to me.
 
@StackedCrooked oh thank pants you too
I was only half listening when he said "be sure to declare all your specializations before your implementation or it won't work!" for that function, and I didn't look, I just said "really?!?" and implemented my usual variadic print function, which doesn't care about specialization order. :\
 
3:14 AM
Well. At least he did the wording.
 
@jaggedSpire i was kind of thinking the same thing.... this guy's an idiot lol..
 
@jaggedSpire o.O
 
@melak47 ikr
I was all ???
 
yeah should be reserved for std::tuple and std::variant. Regular folks shouldn't mess around with it! :p
 
that's how you specialize your variadic template functions better for one thing
 
3:16 AM
lmao
 
@melak47 he should...really, really not look at my code then. >_>
I like templates
 
hehe
 
possibly too much
I'm not saying it's certain, but it's a possibility. Just throwing that out there
 
now I wanna see your code :D
 
at 18:00 I'm pretty sure he's using macros for no reason
dafuq
@melak47 sadly, most of my hijinks happen when I'm mildly bored and also at work
... at least the next person to deal with my code will know templates after they're done!
 
3:19 AM
@jaggedSpire He's even taking credit for inventing rule of zero. (No joke.)
 
@StackedCrooked what the goddamn hell
 
@StackedCrooked didnt robot come up with that? or did he just blog post about it?
 
@Borgleader yes robot is the real hero
 
@melak47 i just checked out
 
> At this point, the Rule of Five transitions in fact to the Rule of Zero, a term coined by Peter Sommerlad [Sommerlad1]
2
 
3:21 AM
@sehe ..of a hotel?
 
@StackedCrooked nerd rage intensifies
@Borgleader nerd rage evaporates
 
@StackedCrooked one of the links points to robot's blog post
 
@StackedCrooked lol
 
3:23 AM
^^ Watch the copyright in the corner.
 
@StackedCrooked what a fraud
 
Yeah.
 
@StackedCrooked nerd rage resumes like a cheery bonfire
 
@Borgleader that
 
3:24 AM
Meanwhile everybody in the C++ community knows it's by Martinho Fernandes.
Just stupid to try to take claim.
 
@Borgleader I don't think I can not smile while looking at that :)
this is an emotional rollercoaster of a thread
he's just so happy in the water. :D
 
@StackedCrooked ...and the source linked there is dated after robots "publication date". wtf
 
well it looks like I might actually get to play LOTRO with coworkers tonight, but my computer can't run either browser and LOTRO at the same time, so I'm off for now. Hopefully I'll calm down some, but probably not. :P
 
3:46 AM
So, spent 3 hours today teaching a friend how to solve school problems with C. And somewhere along the line I asked him which compiler do they use at uni (do they have access to C11 stuff)... "I don't know what you're talking about, but we write the programs on a piece of paper for the exam, we don't use computers."
There should be prison sentences for this shit.
 
@ElimGarak at least they don't make them do it on punch cards
 
First programming language they ever learn: C. And then they make them write code on paper. Sabotaging education must be a crime somewhere.
 
@ElimGarak C's not a bad first language. Code on paper is annoying, problem prone, and not a good way to teach using tools. However code on paper is a good way to not have to worry about the complexity of teaching a new programmer how to use their tools
@ElimGarak Personally, I think Ruby would be a bad first language, or perhaps VB....
 
In the end all the people either start with Java or C#.
 
@ElimGarak Really think of it like this, the student programmer's don't have to learn compiler switches, don't have to have to learn how to install anything, they don't have to learn to type if they don't already know how to, and all they have to do is focus on writing perfectly beautiful code
@StackedCrooked i started with C
 
3:53 AM
People write shit code on paper, make mistakes everywhere and it is fucking stupid. Anyone who thinks otherwise, botany. Immediately.
 
@ElimGarak yes, people write shit code. But the point is to write useable code. No 1st year is going to do that. Hell i've worked along side college graduates when they interned with us for a year. We trashed every single line of code these 'brightest' the college had to offer wrote. Complete waste of time and money
 
TIL about Planet 9. Cool stuff.
 
Sup
It's 5am and im at the airport
What the fuck am i doing with my life
 
Sup, Bartek. We have a proponent of C as a first language and also, he thinks there are merits to writing code on paper at school during exams. Good thing most of the Lounge is sleeping and I am way too polite. If Puppy were here, we'd end up on Meta. :D
 
lol
 
3:56 AM
@StackedCrooked Planet 9?
i.e. Pluto? :P
 
Planet Nine is a hypothetical large planet in the far outer Solar System. It would have an estimated mass of around 10 Earths and an estimated radius of 13,000 to 26,000 km (8,100 to 16,000 mi) (approximately two to four Earths). The existence of the planet would explain the unusual orbital configuration of a group of trans-Neptunian objects (TNOs) in the outer part of the Kuiper belt. On January 20, 2016, researchers Konstantin Batygin and Michael E. Brown at Caltech announced additional indirect evidence of Planet Nine based on a new scientific model of the orbits of several extreme TNOs. In...
 
@Borgleader Pass the Planet Exam, bruh.
 
It's supposed to be a very big planet very far away that's also rotating around our sun.
 
@StackedCrooked I took about a half a blink notice to that, its all theoretical, so we'll see.
 
@Elim nothing fun
 
3:57 AM
@ElimGarak I'm still studying Virmire. Gimme a break D:
 
It is highly likely that the planet is there and there are a few more easily. But they're basically irrelevant.
 
My question is: how is it that were noticing them just now ish?
 
@ElimGarak where evidence is weak, probability abounds
 
@Johnathon there's those web things people use for interview code puzzles and things like that.
 
@melak47 In reference to?
 
3:59 AM
@Johnathon in reference to not having to teach them how to use tools and stuff
you just type your code in an online thing, it can run tests and see if your thing works as expected :)
 
@Borgleader Looking for planets is really difficult. :D And even if you see something, you're seeing a projection of it onto your viewscreen. And you have to process every little bit manually. It's an extremely tedious and difficult process.
 
@melak47 but they still have to type, they have to now have internet and know how to use a browser
@melak47 Truly, i agree with him. They should have tools. Especially with a language like C
 
@Johnathon you have computer labs to take care of the internet thing. you don't have to know how to use a browser, you can just create a shortcut to the website on the desktop :)
and typing...well
 
Writing code on paper was conceived by idiots. Next up: playing guitar by writing down the tabs and imagining how it sounds.
 
@melak47 Right, but are any of US teaching the class?
 
4:01 AM
@Johnathon ???
 
@ElimGarak Nonsense. I can see the moon very clearly.
Oh wait.
 
that's no moon :p
 
@melak47 My point is we (or at least I ) don't know the students the teaching body has been tasked to teach, nor do I know how technologically advanced said society is, and lets be perfectly real, today's kids (at least in the USA) grew up on facebook, think mobile phones are better than having a computer + keyboard, and think acronyms are real words.
 
@Johnathon I'm just saying...even if you don't want to teach your students how to use tools, you can still make it easier than writing code on paper and running the compiler in your head :p
 
@melak47 That's entirely conceivable, and i agree they should be tasked with teaching them how to use tooling too, just enough to get them started at least. But keep in mind at this point in their education they likely don't have a compiler in their head.
 
4:10 AM
@Johnathon "at this point in their education they likely don't have a compiler in their head" - which is why you don't make that a requirement :p
 
@melak47 and perhaps that's the skill the professor has targeted first
 
F4z
this is a scary language
 
so the skill they're teaching in an intro class is writing valid-ish C without ever having touched a compiler? By internalizing K&R?
 
The professor targeted paper because he's shit at his job, doesn't know what he's doing and is too lazy to change the nature of exams to utilize the few computers they have on groups of students. And it is their brilliant way of "cheat-reduction".
 
well, I for one would like a college grad to know how to use gcc
just one..
 
4:15 AM
:D
 
I am curious which system was allocated to the Planet 9 proposal for the n-body simulation, the specs of it.
 
@melak47 Seriously, have you ever had to teach an intern how to compile your codebase, on linux, when they only thing they've ever used was visual studio?
 
Ah, mercury6 (1999)
 
or for that matter a simple hello world
 
@Johnathon haha, nah. I am that intern :p
 
4:19 AM
I envy companies which can utilize interns in any capacity, beyond them being a drain on resources and quality. Alas, melak is not one of those. :P
 
@melak47 ah. Well, please become at least familiar enough with the tools involved in programming in what ever languages you learn so that when you do acquire a job in the field your growing knowledge of said tools won't consist of an erudition comparable to the students who must write code on paper :)
@melak47 And if your interning, have you had any code pushed into the production codebase?
 
yeah.
 
@melak47 what field are you writing code for?
@melak47 or rather, what industry
 
@Johnathon energy storage
 
@melak47 windows , linux ? T-SQL , MySQL , ??
 
4:28 AM
vxworks :v
C++
 
ah windriver stuff
intel here ;)
gcc as well
 
I read that as win driver and was confused
 
@melak47 It's ok :)
 
it's a derivative though, so we're stuck on an ancient release of GCC for the moment
 
@melak47 Don't take that so hard, most of the embedded world is considerably behind the main stream gcc release. I've got an arm board no less than 2 feet away from me still usin 3.8
err, 4.8
 
4:34 AM
we're running GCC 4.1.2 :D
certainly makes me appreciate C++11 and 14 more :p
 
particularly when you don't have it.. checks 4.1.2's c++11 status
 
it has some TR1 stuff, at least.
 
@melak47 yea. You can use some of the library features at least. Does your team also use boost?
 
Yeah. We're also stuck on a particular boost release for this target, but it's not too ancient
 
@melak47 that makes up for a lot more of the c++ 11 stuff being missing. boost always has done some cool stuff, you just suffer from a lack of syntactic sugar.
 
4:39 AM
We do have some windows and linux targets as well, so there are some opportunities for C++11 and beyond here and there :)
 
@melak47 imagine having to limit your c++11 to a single aspect, as in a plugin for existing software, as the main branch had to compile against a particular Red Hat distrobution that had no c++11 support.
@melak47 that was not fun.
 
hehe. Most of our code has to work on all targets as well, so we have to drop to the lowest common denominator often enough
 
GATE such wow anime
 
Perspective correct me like one of your French girls.
 
4:54 AM
@ElimGarak you're slipping. Your scenes used to be more rounded! :p
 
I am implementing a GPU in software, but still accelerating it via compute shaders. :D
Vertex shaders, primitive assembly, rasterization, depth processing and pixel shader game is on point. :D
I need to understand the implications of a technique I am developing and the best way to understand all that is to make something as close to the GPU as possible and inspect it step by step. :D
 
implementing a GPU via GPGPU programming. brilliant! :D
 
how much are you getting out of the hardware accelerated software renderer? :P
 
It's much better than WARP and other stuff for obvious reasons, but mostly it is the insight behind the lines. I need to know whether an extreme approximation of mine will hold up through the rasterizer, at this point, the math seems to hold up. :D
I need to support moar instructions still, tho. Need to fetch them texture samples and thingies.
I blame the lounge for attention drifting, though. Read the preprint of the paper on Planet 9. I applaud their diligence to keep drilling the data and trying out different parametrization over the course of a year, must be tedious to be running all those n-body simulations and stitching the data together.
 
heh
 
Doesn't seem useful, though. And quite uncomfortable. :D
 
'ello, pretties
 
sup jagged, how is your personal garden full of red pandas coming along? :D
 
@ElimGarak oh, it's going all right. :3
 
5:22 AM
I am trying to find a touchscreen panel, but internet doesn't agree with me on the meaning of panel.
 
try just touchscreen
 
awh. I'm sorry
 
5:39 AM
oooh shiny
 
well, goodnight :)
 
night
 
night
some amusing jokes in here
 
@ElimGarak would this fit over a regular 19" screen?
> BUT IT IS
HARD/IMPOSSIBLE/ILLEGAL/DANGEROUS
AND MY DOG ATE MY HOMEWORK
 
heh, they named their metaprogramming lib after "a person who lives in a gang, by pillage and robbery"
 
5:46 AM
@melak47 Yeah, but over the actual display panel, there could be problems with the cover of today's displays, especially if they're tapered or something. :D
 
> illegal
kek
I like the Bane joke
 
And this new generation of stylish displays usually attaches this overlay by adhesives which require annoying physical activity to get off proper. So you'd need a nasty heat gun.
 
:/
just make an app for a tablet and glue that to the wall :p
 
An 85 inch display requires a 10 thousand dollar 4-point touch overlay. The display itself is $3k.
 
if I had a nasty heat gun I would be a supervillain
"give me the money OR I MELT YOUR FACE"
 
5:50 AM
I actually thought about making capacitive touch panels, really small ones, as an experiment but it requires serious precision work and material procurement.
wtb a boatload of indium
 
Jerry can probably hook you up
 
6:10 AM
sup
 
sup
 
6:26 AM
sup
 
7:03 AM
sup
 
sup
 
7:19 AM
sup
 
sup
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sup
 
7:34 AM
sup
 
They stop selling beer at 3 and my batteries deaf so I walked to get beer
Tennessee is in a state of emergency
 
Guineas nitro ipa
 
What is the best C++ book for already experienced programmers?
It's very hard to find a definitive answer.
 
Make a trivia game
 
7:42 AM
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Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are published every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a well-written...

 
Thanks, I was directed here by a friend to ask.
 
use your knowledge of your own skills to figure out which is best for you. An experienced Java dev won't need the same information as an experienced C dev, which is incidentally why there's a list and not a single answer with a couple of books.
different people know different things and learn things different ways, etc.
 
Yeah. I just needed to find a good resource from which to begin. Hard to find 'REALLY' good books that don't teach bad programming.
 
Mmmm.
 
I'll probably stick to Accelerated C++ as the starting book.
 
7:51 AM
I've got no personal experience with that one, so I'll decline to comment :P
now that the sup chain has been broken thoroughly, how is everyone?
 
@GettingNifty Beer shortage?
 
@MartinJames snowmageddon II: Electric Boogaloo
 
Yeah pretty much.. If anyone hasn't tried nitrogen infused pop you should its much lighter
 
@jaggedSpire OK, that sounds bad. Will the beer tankers get through?
 
@MartinJames no idea. I'm hanging at a nice non-snowing 29F or so here in St Louis. All I know I've heard on the news
 
7:58 AM
@jaggedSpire Orite. The South does seem like a better place to be ATM:)
 

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