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1:02 PM
get that off my screen
 
looks like a telkitty post
 
@AndyProwl no need to be insulting
 
lol
 
@AndyProwl yes, but there's no harm in one being more specific
@TonyTheLion except now it's wrong
 
@thecoshman but then there's no reason to have the less general one
 
If A implies B and you state A, you don't need to explicitly state B
 
@AndyProwl yes there is, if you have any virtual functions, you should have a virtual destructor too, as you are basically saying "this class will be used polymorphically"
 
especially if A and B are nearly the same thing
 
@AndyProwl yes, but that's not what's going on here
 
@thecoshman why not?
 
1:09 PM
plus, there is no harm in be explicate
 
Anyone here saw Kung fury?
 
Those two rules are nearly identical and one implies the other
 
@AndyProwl what do you mean 'why not'? I didn't saying anything not
@AndyProwl no. One is a general form of the other, that does not mean the same as implication
 
@thecoshman You did in the message I replied wanted to reply to :P
 
@TonyTheLion my mother worked with a My Dung Cau
 
1:10 PM
@AndyProwl no, I didn't.
@AndyProwl ffs :P
 
"A class with a virtual function should have a virtual destructor" vs "A base class with a virtual function needs a virtual destructor"
how is that not the case that the former implies the latter?
 
It's also about the sections of the rules
I've asked about this and been clearly told, duplication is ok if it is from different sections.
 
IDGI
 
    public static T SiUnitFor<T>() where T : struct, IUnit
    {
        switch (typeof(T).Name)
        {
            case "LengthUnit":
                return (T)LengthUnit.Metres;
            default:
                throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException(typeof(T).Name);

        }
    }
 
The same rule can be relevant to multiple topics, so can be stated multiple times
 
1:13 PM
Then it should be just linked multiple times
 
Is there a way to do ^?
 
How are they going to keep consistency if they modify one version?
 
@AndyProwl they don't want cross referencing
@AndyProwl vOv
 
@thecoshman They're doing it everywhere
also as I read it a bit more carefully, it seems C.127's example is not what the title says
 
return (LengthUnit.Metres as T?).Value; // works
 
1:14 PM
I don't know man
 
cause there's no virtual function in there
ffs
 
@sehe you know ^^ right
 
Meanwhile in Django land: "CVE-2015-8213: Fixed settings leak possibility in date template filter"
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus Classic.
 
user406009
~~~~security~~~~
 
user406009
We should get rid of diamond rings.
 
user406009
They are sorta pointless.
 
@TonyTheLion Why would you doubt that, here in the Lounge?
:P
 
Lounge is where all good people go
 
1:21 PM
good programmers, yes
 
> Honest Andy
 
happy people, probably not so much
 
see?
 
Lounge has many good people.
 
@TonyTheLion ofc, you exist <3
 
1:22 PM
Maybe fat moms make good children
 
@Borgleader <3 <3 <3
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion Eh, I think most people here are pretty happy.
 
user406009
Like in the scheme in things.
 
@Lalaland I said "probably" for a reason
because on the Internet, nobody knows if you're happy
 
user406009
True, depressed people usually have an outside shell of external happiness to "fit in".
 
1:26 PM
ooooh Ghost in the Shell FPS coming out
 
@AndyProwl There's at least one anorexic dog then :P
 
@Lalaland also C++ and happiness is not something that usually occurs in the same sentence :P
 
@TonyTheLion or cares
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion Well, the trick is compartmentalization.
 
user406009
X part of my life sucks, but parts Y and Z are awesome.
 
user406009
1:27 PM
I'm going to live for Y and Z and consider X as just a barrier to achieving Y and Z.
 
makes sense
 
@TonyTheLion However consider "I'm so happy I'll never have to program in C++ ever again!"
 
@AndyProwl you found a corner case :)
 
yeah, I guess I should go back to the corner btw
fuck work
 
@TonyTheLion He's full of them
 
1:29 PM
especially fuck work when sick
 
@BartekBanachewicz Have you tried node.js by any chance?
 
> Happy Hump Day!
^^ Fb telling me this
didn't know
TIL
 
@AndyProwl to die
 
Cat - a cauldron of happiness
 
My non-anorexic dog is calling... :(
 
1:33 PM
Your dog has a phone?
 
> moral of the story: avoid C++
Haha.
 
user1804599
@Jefery Yes.
 
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is a homework dump. — Borgleader 5 mins ago
 
user406009
Here's a question, do you think homework questions should be allowed on StackOverflow?
 
user406009
Like a well written homework question?
 
1:35 PM
@Borgleader Lounged in 3, 2, 1...
0
 
user406009
Like someone says, "I am currently working on a homework assignment, but I ran into trouble using feature X"
 
user406009
With an actual self contained, small, example of the bug.
 
user1804599
@Lalaland Yes. Why not?
 
user1804599
There is no need to mention that it's homework, even.
 
Yep irrelevant
 
user1804599
1:37 PM
It's OP's own business why they're doing it.
 
yeah, by "homework question" we usually mean "do my homework question"
 
@Lalaland Yes thats totally fine, I recall students posting questions because they ran into like MVP while doing their homework. Thats ok, "I dont know how to do this" is not.
 
not "a question that arises while doing homework"
 
^ this
 
For a not-bad question there's no difference whether it's for homework or workwork
 
user1804599
1:37 PM
A homework assignment dump is not a question but a homework assignment dump.
 
There are no not-bad questions though
 
Ell
I don't get printf man
 
@CatPlusPlus That's your inner happiness talking isn't it
 
It prints the f
 
user1804599
Yummy, gherkins.
 
user406009
1:38 PM
@Ell Printf can actually be somewhat tricky to understand.
 
user406009
Those format strings, with all those option, etc, etc.
 
user406009
Or you want to know how to do sprintf when you don't know the buffer size, etc, etc.
 
Ell
yeah the documentation on cppreference is confusing :V
 
Don't use libc
 
user406009
cppreference is actually pretty good.
 
user406009
1:40 PM
But not everyone knows about it.
 
user406009
I have some very bad explanations of printf in textbooks though.
 
Shocking
 
honestly at this point I tend to favor boost.format when I need something with format strings
 
Yeah C standard library is bad even by C standards (which are already low)
 
user406009
I actually like printf/snprintf/friends. I think it provides a very intuitive way of doing string formatting. Iostreams get annoying when you start wanting to have "fancy" features like spacing, or the number of digits past the decimal point.
 
1:41 PM
lol printf and intuitive in the same sentence
 
user406009
Eh, people have different opinions.
 
Ell
I want (long int) concat '.' concat (3 digits of long unsigned)
I tried %ld.%-3lo but it no worky
 
printf is unsafe, not extensible and the syntax gets really arcane for non-basic shit
There's literally nothing good about it
 
Ell
ah
 
Rust's format! is decent
That IOstreams are garbage doesn't make printf a good choice
There are other choices
 
1:44 PM
@Lalaland C# string formatting is nicer though imo.
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus I do believe there is some value in limiting dependencies though.
 
Not really
 
user406009
I wouldn't pull in boost just for boost.format.
 
There are other choices still
printf is not a choice, it's bugs waiting to happen
 
1:50 PM
the default ctor limitations for C# structs is annoying
 
user406009
@Morwenn You should make one of those sorting videos for your library.
 
user406009
You know the audio-visual ones like youtube.com/watch?v=kPRA0W1kECg
 
@Lalaland I mostly took the sorts from other projects, so chances are that most of them already appear in such videos.
 
@Morwenn you're just trying to be smart about which sort you use, right?
 
@thecoshman Not really, I provide many sorts and smart building blocks so that anyone can be smarter than me in the choice of the algorithms.
 
1:54 PM
@thecoshman And to be smart about avoiding shooting a video :p
 
Ell
@Lalaland what like?
 
user406009
@Ell There are a couple of weak reasons.
 
user406009
1. Less for people to learn when joining a project.
 
user406009
2. Dependencies can sometimes make building more complicated than it needs to be.
 
Phone number in a float :)? — YSC 2 mins ago
thats a new one
 
Ell
1:58 PM
Why is it less for people to learn?
 
user406009
@Ell Everyone knows or should know printf or iostreams.
 
user406009
With a custom library, you can't assume people already know.
 
Ell
Oh I thought you meant you'd rather implement your own solution than use an off the shelf one
I agree that they are weak reasons :P
The benefits outweigh those reasons
 
user406009
@Ell Depends on the library.
 
@Lalaland Entirely negligible
 
2:01 PM
ergh, it's only 2 :\
This day is dragging on so much
 
user406009
The day before a break always seems to drag on forever.
 
@Elyse How was it?
 
@Morwenn 420/69 best formatting library
 
I'll probably have to use node.js and mongodb for school
fuck me
 
user406009
Those tools aren't that bad for small projects.
 
user406009
2:14 PM
Why are they forcing node.js and mongodb?
 
user406009
That doesn't make any sense.
 
user406009
(In fact, one could argue that node.js and mongodb perform their best in small projects and prototypes. Who needs a schema or static typing if only one person (or two) is writing all the code?)
 
why must gcc make address sanitizer so annoying to use
 
Garbage
 
user406009
@Jefery Oh wait, is this about that game? You can use node.js with a normal database.
 
2:16 PM
T4 is pretty painful "ErrorGeneratingOutput"
 
@Lalaland No no
It's uni stuff
 
@Jefery I've been working professionally with Node for the last 3 months
 
What's your opinion on it?
 
@Jefery it's shit
 
lol
 
We have to choose between Tomcat (Java) or NodeJS (JS).
What would you choose?
 
that's like choosing between ALS and AIDS
 
user406009
@Jefery How large of a project?
 
user406009
How many people?
 
user406009
2:19 PM
If it's one person, chose NodeJS.
 
up to 2-3 I'd still go with node, especially if it's uni project
easier to set up dev, CI, faster cycles
 
@Lalaland 7 people, a project that will last for about 6 months and be handed to a company, the project is about making a software for tests (multi choice, true/false, etc..).
 
"handed to a company"?
they should pick then, no
 
They let us choose between the two
Probably because their servers support both
 
@ElimGarak pretty cheap given features
 
2:21 PM
lol "their servers"
 
The frontend is required to be JS + HTML5
 
Go with NodeJS. I'd argue it is the lesser of the two shits in this case.
 
will their programmers support both
 
@Jefery since when can you do frontend that's NOT JS and HTML5?
 
nobody cares about programmers
 
2:21 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Any native application
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz 100% flash websites.
 
user1804599
@Jefery A horrible experience, for it was in Erlang.
 
@Lalaland smooth
 
user1804599
 
@ElimGarak Thats retarded. OTOH, I found the Razer Naga Molten to be quite usable (although one of the buttons was just a little too far out of reach)
 
2:22 PM
Frontend is not inherently related only to websites
 
user1804599
@Jefery ^ nice video about Erlang
 
Xeo
FFS SO chat, don't stop the auto-scrolling all the time
 
What is retarded is that I am seriously considering getting a gold MacBook because I'm a complete superficial tool.
2
 
lol
 
Ell
that is retarded
 
2:23 PM
> Proven ability to work well in a front-office or similar highly pressurized and delivery-oriented environment
IRTA: capable of shitting code like diarrhea after eating seafood without further regard for quality or maintainability
 
@Ell ikr, I just can't get over how portable and sexy it is
 
@GregorMcGregor That's what it says
 
user406009
@GregorMcGregor Sounds like giving birth. "High pressure" "Delivery-oriented"
 
Xeo
> highly pressurized
yeahno
 
inb4 submarine programming
 
2:24 PM
inb4 draft beer coding
 
@ElimGarak I dunno I'd get an iPad pro if I were to aim that range
 
Maybe, and I say maybe, I can convince the company that we should use CoffeeScript or some other compile-to-JS language
 
I just inherited the windows part of our project at work. Yayyyy MSVC pain coming
 
@Lalaland Or... don't
There's really little reason to
 
@Jefery doesn't help, nodejs as a platform is shitty. lang is only a part of it
 
2:25 PM
I accidentally picked half my eye brow out
 
@Rerito I inherited all js today because my colleague is leaving
 
It's not faster to write for, it's not better to run in production
 
user406009
@Jefery No. If you want to transpile, use ES6 JavaScript with babeljs.
 
At least it's a part of issues that go away
 
@GregorMcGregor It happens.
 
2:26 PM
well not half but now it's disjoint and visible
 
@Jefery and many others are introduced
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh such pain
 
user406009
@Jefery You can also typecheck using flow.
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz Does your company use a JavaScript type checking tool?
 
2:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz You mean Node related issues or CoffeeScript related issues?
 
@GregorMcGregor highly pressurized you really made them think you're a potato
 
potkakke
 
@Lalaland Nice, thanks.
 
I'll probably end up with a newer MacBook Pro, but hey. I am indulging it while the choice conundrum lasts.
 
@ElimGarak Oh dear
 
user406009
2:27 PM
@Jefery Also, you don't need to use mongodb with JavaScript.
 
user406009
Use a normal SQL database.
 
user406009
Like Postgres or something.
 
@Lalaland MongoDB is what my team will probably choose over PostgreSQL
 
Touchpad looks terrible
 
@Lalaland no. We use jshint and jscs.
 
2:28 PM
Which are the two choices here
 
user1804599
@Jefery delay the project as much as you can until PureScript becomes stable
 
@milleniumbug Actually, it's one of its best parts.
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz I would at least consider bringing up the idea of using one of them. They were quite helpful in the last place I worked.
 
I'd fuck PostgreSQL with love if it was for me, so you know I'll vote for Postgres
 
@milleniumbug wat? Macbook touchpads are universally amazing.
 
2:29 PM
@Elyse Not an <option>
 
My biggest issue with it is the single port, needs a hub, crap. Which is leaning me towards a macbook pro.
 
@Lalaland I don't need to bring an idea, I can do it on my own. And that's effort.
 
user1804599
CoffeeScript doesn't fix any problems other than the non-issue which is syntax.
 
user1804599
Then it introduces many, such as even more retarded scoping, and significant indentation.
 
@Lalaland We're not doing typical dev. My company does performance monitoring and that's ugly.
 
user1804599
2:30 PM
@Jefery Then bite the bullet and use PureScript unstable.
 
user406009
Most of JavaScript's problems can be solved through tooling.
 
user1804599
It's buggy, but still less buggy than any JS code you'll ever write.
 
user406009
Linting tools help you avoid bad parts of the language.
 
@ElimGarak Dunno about usability, I'm only judging by how it looks
 
ie all of it
 
2:30 PM
PureScript can be thought of tooling for js
 
user406009
Transpilation to ES6 allows you to use better versions of language features.
 
user406009
Type checking tools introduce type safety.
 
"better"
 
transpilation doesn't exist hth
it's either compilation or transpiration
 
user1804599
The best option is to outsource front-end development to people who don't know any better.
 
2:31 PM
@GregorMcGregor tlanspilation
 
@Lalaland half-ass broken model of type system, so yeah
you know Haskell, I don't have to explain it I guess
 
half ass is only 1 butt cheek
 
but I agree it can help
the question is whether you really want to use js at all at this point
 
no
webassembly can't be finished soon enough
so we can throw javascript where it belongs
to the garbage
 
I hope I'll just be able to work on the database thingy with PostgreSQL and be happy
 
2:33 PM
@GregorMcGregor it'll be finished faster than C++ modules
zing
 
The database will be my oasis of peace and tranquility
 
Well, duh
 
c++ modules are scheduled for somewhere after the end of this universe
 
user1804599
JS the language isn't the problem though.
 
user1804599
It's the whole ecosystem of broken incompatible libraries made by and particularly for idiots.
 
user406009
2:34 PM
Some JS libraries are really well done though.
 
user406009
JS has fantastic Promise and immutable data structure libraries.
 
What do you expect from a language used 10 years for raining snowflakes
 
lol
 
@Lalaland IRTA "some cancers have positive effects"
 
At least raining snowflakes didn't pretend they had any use
 
user1804599
2:36 PM
@Lalaland Promise is broken.
 
user1804599
It special-cases objects that have properties named then.
 
omg live.com added support for passwords longer than 16 characters
omgggg
 
user1804599
And it's not possible to generally work around that special case.
 
@Lalaland pfff
IMHO there's hardly anything amazing about Promise
 
user1804599
Which is again due to "by and particularly for idiots", here the idiots being those who don't understand the difference between map and bind.
 
2:37 PM
again, if you've used Haskell, it's a step back
 
user406009
Well, the JavaScript promises are better than the C++ and Java ones
 
user1804599
That doesn't say anything.
 
user1804599
The C++ and Java ones may very well be incredibly horrible too.
 
@Nooble suck
@Nooble lamepun
 
3:00 PM
Are security questions still a thing on Steam?
I can't find where you changed it
 
@Lalaland like that's an achievement
 
omg PayPal no longer blocks password copying
Still 20 characters max though
 
3:15 PM
is paypal still shit
 
why are you asking rhetorical questions
 
I enjoy constructive discussions
 
@BartekBanachewicz This is a little like Mark Twain's line about a dog walking on its hind legs: it's not done well, but it's still impressive that it happens at all.
 
hey yall
 
3:27 PM
battle.net password management is still shit
 
inb4 a question
 
@CatPlusPlus For a while now
At least 1 year
@CatPlusPlus How so?
 
> Passwords may not contain the character "\".
Good job wordpress dot com
 
3:36 PM
@GregorMcGregor A constructive discussion certainly beats a destructive concussion.
 
Not if you are the devil
 
@Jefery Obviously I'm a god.
 
Oh God, Cat plonked me
What will i do
 
Ell
I don't understand what password requirements are for
 
Stupid people
 
3:41 PM
@Jefery lol
 
@Jefery Render unto Caesar Cat what is Cat's, and render unto me...everything else.
 
Nov 4 at 0:57, by Cat Plus Plus
it won't be you
 
@CatPlusPlus ha! now I know 1 symbol you use in your passwords
 
Ell
I use every symbol in passwords
 
Look at the Unicode symbol table and you'll now the other 2^21 - 1
 
3:43 PM
I only use ascii symbols in my passwords; go hack me
 
I do the same
feel free
 
@AndyProwl would be funny if we're unable to log in tomorrow ^^
 
inb4 sexually explicit emails are sent from my account to bjarne
@ScarletAmaranth lol I was thinking something along those lines
 
I once registered on a guestbook website (yeah, I know, that was a long time ago), and the registration form allowed me to type 10 characters, which I typed in. Later on, when I tried to log in I found out that login form allows 6 characters, and I couldn't log in with the password
 
lol I regularly do that also
 
3:46 PM
have you tried typing just the first 6?
 
since all my passwords are sha1 hashes
I just copy paste them in and then can't log in anymore
good job
 
@AndyProwl the form was limited to 6 chars (as in, with HTML)
 
ah, got it
 
wait
you mean you use more than 6 characters long passwords o_O?
 
yeah who would have thought
 
3:52 PM
man Chopin was such a fucking genius
 
yeah
but he had small hands
 
hehehe
 
is that a pun?
 
he would arpeggiate every other chord
no
 
ehehehehehe
bby u know what else u can arpeggiate
 
3:53 PM
I never heard his records :P
 
blue rays weren't quite there yet when he lived :P
 
anyway it doesn't seem this was too limiting
> Chopin's elastic hand, small, thin, with lightly articulated fingers, was capable of stretching tenths with ease. Examine his first study for confirmation of this. His wrist was very supple.Stephen Heller said that "it was a wonderful sight to see Chopin's small hands expand and cover a third of the keyboard.
 
@AndyProwl Is that actual footage of Chopin where you can see Chopin's hands? ;)
 

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