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Ven
Ven
15:01
@LucDanton pls do
also thanks for the explanation. That's... fun
@LucDanton std::is_pointer<_Ty>': class has no constructors
MSVC is so good at this :D
@melak47 it must take a lot of effort to produce errors that are so wrong
@R.MartinhoFernandes's mood right now
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hahah that gif
starring it for posterity :P
everything is up
@LucDanton I guess MSVC is ignoring that weirdo conversion of constexpr in template arguments stuff. That sounds confusing! :D
@TonyTheLion is it because youre happy to see me? :P
15:08
@TonyTheLion It's from Kung Fury, if you didn't know.
but ::value is too long to type!
@Borgleader lol
which you should watch if you havent :)
I haven't
@LucDanton get_value_v<std::is_pointer<X>> :D
anyone knows about hackerrank.com ?
@melak lol do template variables work in MSVC?
@R.MartinhoFernandes ofc not
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix oh god that terrible piece of code in the banner video
15:12
@R.MartinhoFernandes but this works :p get_value_f(std::is_pointer<T>{})
can you just bracket (std::is_pointer<T> {}) or something?
@Griwes I had a test for mozilla last week on that site
@LucDanton 'void foo(void)': could not deduce template argument for '__formal' :D
@Borgleader it's friday..
15:14
gud parsing
I can static cast to bool, also. :p
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix (I mean the code shown in the video)
Never watched the video
So MSVC is shit?
Can you bring some... new news?
stop beating that dead horse @Griwes
jeez.
15:15
its dead already
that horse is
Today I had tinnitus ringing all day long.
Fuck this.
Thank god it's Friday.
Quick Q: someone's sent me C++ source code that's originally from 2001 - before I even consider starting up a Windows VM and installing VS, have I hope in hell of even getting it to compile any more?
15:16
nooooooooooope
Ven
Ven
@JonClements sure. MS maintains their hacks :^
Xeo
Xeo
@JonClements depends :P
@JonClements VS2015 barely still has XP & Vista targetting support, IIRC
Ven
Ven
15:17
yeah 2015 is too recent
oh yea its only vc6.0 code that won't compile anymore
You can still install VC7
I might still have an old "MSDN wallet" with 2005 - is that probably a good start?
@JonClements I hope it's not C++.net
@JonClements sounds like it may be
15:18
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix nope - no .net in there at all... uses all the old style UI stuff/interfaces from what I can tell
Ven
Ven
oh, with my SFINAE stuff, I can't have a prototype
@JonClements I was referring to the language that MS invented
Ugh... what are "dfm" files...
aww gawd.... TGraphWindow* - it's that old
@JonClements delphi forms
umm... did they ever do a c++ product?
15:23
@JonClements C++ builder
Umm... I had Borland C++ Builder in '95 I think
Wow... and there's a DLL here from 1993
Ven
Ven
i should learn delphi..
Yeah... umm... the code's horrible, there's no way in hell I'm going to get it to compile even if I spend time setting up a Windows XP VM and can get a copy of C++ Builder
Anyway - thanks for your input guys - most appreciated
Anyone has work on SQLFetchScroll?
P sure C++Builder and VCL are alive and well
15:32
@Ven I’m fairly sure that’s this 2-year old bug.
i.e. if it doesn’t even warn there, there’s no hope of SFINAE kicking in
Ven
Ven
@LucDanton oke, thanks for digging :)
welp, I have to change my code to use virtual inheritance now.
@Ven o.o?
Ven
Ven
@melak47 techlead changed the "interface <-> implementation" rules...
@JonClements why would you want to anyway? :D
man I hate sql
15:36
@melak47 someone's willing to pay for my time doing so is why... :p
I'm sure there's other ways you can make money than compiling legacy code :S
Ven
Ven
nope, he's utterly stuck
Indeed... and am doing so now - it was just a possible bit of work to add to the list, but I'm not taking it :)
my sister keeps sending me random GHangout images
Ven
Ven
send us the nude parts?
15:40
Hi @BartekBanachewicz
rch
rch
@nick Hello nick :D
finished university yet?
Ven
Ven
yes, just yesterday
Ell
Ell
Hi folks
@Ell hi
Ven
Ven
15:44
Ell-o
I'm looking for a less psychopathic alternative to Dwarf Fortress.
Ell
Ell
I love listening to peoples phone convos at the train station
Half of them at least
RimWorld
Ell
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel towns, stonehearth
Age of Empires
hehe
15:45
@Ell Towns is a massive scam, I already played a bit of Stonehearth but it's still way too early in development.
@CatPlusPlus Hmm, I keep hearing positive things about that.
Ell
Ell
I've never played towns tbh, only heard it was similar
I have played stonehearth though but I agree too early
@CatPlusPlus In RimWorld do you get a RimJob?
Ell
Ell
It doesn't feel big enough either
Nothing really gets close to full DF experience
I'd play DF if it didn't have this bullshitty archaic UI that requires mods and external tools to get anything done.
15:47
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix no.
Ell
Ell
Yeah I wish it had a better UX
Im semi surprised nobody has attempted an open source clone
You don't know of any != nobody has attempted
Ven
Ven
everyone play the starcraft1 html5 clone
Ell
Ell
Of course
But a quick search doesn't yield any interesting results, from the past or present
Goblin Camp was an open source DF clone but it died few years ago
It's a large-scope project
15:50
@CatPlusPlus how does opensource dies?
I don't know if I want to do embedded development in 2015
Ell
Ell
I had no idea goblin camp was open source
Gnomoria looks suspiciously like DF in terms of gameplay.
The same way anything else?
People stopped working on it
And I've just heard about Timber and Stone.
Ell
Ell
15:50
@BartekBanachewicz why?
And the sources transformed into ashes?
Might as well because it's all garbage
Existence of the source doesn't mean the project is alive
Ven
Ven
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix its called "bitrot".
At least sources can be resurected at some point unlike people's body
It's garbage riddled with technical debt, there's no point touching it
15:52
never heard of real "undead"
Ell
Ell
Oh wait I mixed up goblin camp and some other goblin game
There was a 3d one
well if the sources are that bad
Mar 26 '12 at 23:11, by Cat Plus Plus
I've reduced NPC.cpp to only 97kB!
@CatPlusPlus Didn't you fork that at one point?
I was a core dev maybe for a while
Ell
Ell
15:54
Oh nice
Ell
Ell
How did it turn out with so much techdebt if you were a dev?
I'd imagine you sarcasm'ing them into shape
It's C++ and it's also my C++ from 2010 or so
@CatPlusPlus Fucking hell, 3.2k lines :O
This project is why I laugh at people calling shared_ptr deterministic
Good luck pinpointing lifetime in this
This is also where I learned that build systems are shit and Boost.Build is also
15:56
At least you've learned something.
Ell
Ell
That's all I ever do on a project :L
That C++ is not a good language
Ell
Ell
Learn something then move on
Which is bad
@Ell learning is important
If I ever make a game it's probably not gonna be a city building/resource management game because fuck complex simulations.
15:58
Also fuck libtcod
@CatPlusPlus do you have any build system recommendation or they all suck?
Ven
Ven
what'd be a better name for constexpr? if you could change it
Don't use C++
@Ell because C++ is shit and rust is too immature
rust is not in beta anymore
Ven
Ven
15:59
not in beta == mature in your eyes? nice
Not sure why anyone would want to do embedded development ever

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