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1:00 PM
@fredoverflow lol
 
People are literally willing to break their neck for a "cool" photograph. I actually still can't process just how many people die from taking selfies each year.
 
@Jefery So, if you still feel that's interesting, maybe follow it.
Anyhoops, if you feel something is interesting, maybe refrain from easy quips like your line about Stroustrup.
I mean, if you're assessing books/authors, then discrediting Stroustrup is not very constructive (even if you're right that he does some things badly; writing books is not one of those things)
 
@ElimGarak These are trained gymnasts, I'm betting they've seen much more dangerous positions ^^
 
@sehe Dear lord. It was just a joke. I was not discrediting anybody.
 
@sehe I think he fails at writing books because he skimps on the proofreading.
 
1:02 PM
@sehe Oh, 180k. Congratulations, bear! :P
@sehe Yeah, for reference, I was joking about Scott Meyers as well :P
 
Stroustrup for some reason also likes to typeset his code in times new roman
 
Hmm how would you call a function to convert an angle to an (-pi, pi] interval. complementing a [0, 2*pi) interval function?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've heard this from people
 
@orlp Programmers are seldom good at things which are artistic.
 
Ell
he apparently has a lot of mistakes in his books, I don't own any though
 
1:03 PM
@paul23 pie_slice()
 
@paul23 you mean, what would you name this function?
or
 
Ell
oh wait
 
@paul23 "normalization" maybe
 
@Ell Not even Design & Evolution of C++?
 
Well I got the two functions, one to bring it to the [0, 2*pi) (normalize_angle()) and now one to bring it to (-pi, pi]
 
Ell
1:04 PM
@ElimGarak Nay
 
@Ell Not too many actually
For example he teaches vectors before C-style arrays
 
@ElimGarak Ah nice
 
@ElimGarak More people die from taking selfies (8 last year) than from shark attacks (6 last year).
 
@Ell it’s pi and one tiny bit
 
@paul23 bidirectional_angle_offset?
 
Ell
1:05 PM
add_pi_n_a_bit
 
pi_n_shizzle
 
lol
 
Ven
urgh, I was writing a script to parse some c++ for $work, then I got remainded I was writing a script to parse some c++
 
@fredoverflow Nice. :)
 
I just realized my "code which doesn't increase accuracy even though the time increases" isn't true
 
1:06 PM
I always hate it when I get remainded
 
@sehe Aren't his books full of trivial mistakes? That's why I'm usually waiting a couple of years before buying C++ books in general ;)
 
Ell
In statistics and applications of statistics, normalization can have a range of meanings. In the simplest cases, normalization of ratings means adjusting values measured on different scales to a notionally common scale, often prior to averaging. In more complicated cases, normalization may refer to more sophisticated adjustments where the intention is to bring the entire probability distributions of adjusted values into alignment. In the case of normalization of scores in educational assessment, there may be an intention to align distributions to a normal distribution. A different approach ...
I reckon normalization is probably the way to go
 
Since it rest upon modulating by 2*pi
 
Ell
or maybe normalize_to(range) though that is kinda contradictory
 
@orlp lol
 
1:06 PM
Which increases the further you are.
 
@fredoverflow will you be buying a book about C++03 soon?
 
am I the only one that finds books an inefficient format for anything except beginners?
 
Ven
@fredoverflow are you badmouthing C++'s He-Man? :o
 
@orlp What do you propose as a more efficient alternative?
 
@Jefery Open your eyes to the context. These guys were basically rolling over the floor about authority issues, and "using namespace std" in particular, and you think that the joke is timely/appreciated?
It's an in-joke and you should be able to tell that it's only fuel the confusion about "what books are fit for the definitive list" in more confusing ways
 
1:07 PM
@Jefery papers, blog posts, wiki, etc
 
@Ven I have half a dozen emails in my inbox stating that Effective Modern C++ has been updated again.
 
simply put, if you're not a beginner there is no way that more than 5% of a book can be new information
the rest is filler
 
@orlp I think the opposite. I like having a book because I can scrap things on the side, take notes, take it with me anywhere...
 
@Rerito you can print out blog posts, papers, wiki pages, etc
 
I know I can also take notes with a keyboard (or a tablet)
 
1:08 PM
Well, once you're on top of your field, you read papers, cite papers and write papers.
 
@orlp I also do this ;)
 
@LucDanton I got Effective Modern C++ for free, so...
 
@orlp So you think that Scott's books, for example, are 5% content and 95% filler?
 
Ven
lol, I thought I could fix my parsing script by using the filename to "guess" the namespace, but that doesn't work at $work because namespaces!=file structure
 
@orlp depends much on the style of the book. You can have a book where chapters are rather short, like a collection of blog posts. In fact, I'd rather question if a book is a good format for beginners
 
1:09 PM
@fredoverflow how modern indeed!
 
I think "canonical" is a better term than "normal"
 
@Jefery I didn't say that
 
Ven
@orlp depends what kind of book, really
 
it's 5% new knowledge
 
@orlp You have a point here, but it's still ok to me to have an easily available reminder for stuff you already know at hand
 
1:09 PM
Hmm
 
Ven
@orlp so you think Scott's books, for example, are 95% filler?
 
I don't have time to read a full book to find the 5% I didn't know yet
make information available as standalone, easily indexed formats
 
You already knew 95% of Scott's books when you read them?
 
@orlp Well, same can be said for any other format. Especially blog posts. For example, most things I am exposed to on realtime rendering is mostly -30% knowledge and 95% cargo cult bullshit.
 
Maybe you should lean on more advanced books then.
 
Ven
1:10 PM
@orlp Scott's books have topics that are pretty standalone and are indexed
 
@Ven java salutes your design decisions
 
@Ven so why are they books?
 
Ven
@sehe not my choice
 
you can't easily search or index books
it's not easy to refer to books
 
@orlp Scott does ebooks as well.
 
Ven
1:11 PM
@orlp it's not easy to index books¿
 
@sehe I think you are overreacting.
 
Yeah the lack of C-f is frustrating I know :p
 
@Jefery I think you're trying too hard to evade the point.
It's fine babe. I'm not killing you. Just pointing it out
 
since when
is it offensive
to link to comments on main SO?
 
It was just "Bjarne's book has using namespace std;", and I was like "Yeah, he is not very good at C++ :P". The joke was that he invented C++, and I thought it would be fun to claim he doesn't know it very well to the point of making such a silly mistake.
 
1:12 PM
Since SO is offensive.
 
citing offensive content is offense in of itself now?
 
You are reading too much into it, IMHO.
 
can I get flagged for saying "I want to kill the jews" - Hitler 1940
apparently I can
 
@orlp Yes because you can't prove he said that as is
 
1:13 PM
We have professional ethics here!
 
"You cannot counterflag your own message"
THEN DONT GIVE ME A BUTTON TO
 
@orlp I remember beheading vids
 
@sehe Telkitty lol
 
(I'm not the one who flagged you BTW @orlp)
 
@sehe linking gore is not the same as citing textual offensive material
 
1:14 PM
@Jefery I'm not reading into it. I'm mirroring it back to you in context.
 
@orlp What about an in depth description of said gore?
 
@orlp It's really similar, in my opinion
 
Ok
 
yeah... you can apparently get flagged for that - let's not though? :p
 
1:16 PM
> This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.
 
create trigger after insert on flags when new.room = 10 for each row notify(@JonClements);
 
The Hitler Did Nothing Wrong video & friends have been terminated.
 
Does anyone get that room frozen by mod question when they search for the term 'C++ lounge' on google?
 
@ElimGarak rip
 
1:17 PM
Hey!
 
@fredoverflow heh
 
As I age, my skin get thinner, now I am semi embarrassed by it
 
@chmod666telkitty I think you're imagining things
how does your skin get thinner
 
@Elim Bibi recently said Hitler didn't want to kill the Jews
 
maybe weather?
 
1:18 PM
@fredoverflow Oh god this one is great. Where does it come from?
 
Bibi is a given name, nickname and surname which is found in various cultures. == Notable people with this name == === As a given name === Bibi Andersson (born 1935), Swedish actress Bibi Medoua (born 1993), Cameroonian football defender Bibi Osterwald (1918-2002), American actress Bibi Russell, Bangladeshi fashion designer, businessperson and former model Bibi Amtus Salam (died 1985), Indian social worker and disciple of Mahatma Gandhi Bibi Asmilawati Alam Shah (born 1980), Malaysian Mass Swindler Bibi Samuel Thomas (born 1997), Indian Stupidity Idol === As a nickname === Stefano Bat...
 
@chmod666telkitty On your recent profile pics there wasn't anything like that to notice
 
Damn. Was expecting a redirect
 
also what does it mean for your skin to get thinner
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and the Mass Swindler is a red link
how much mass do you reckon he swindled
 
1:20 PM
@orlp It's self explanatory I think ^^
 
It gets thinner and therefore transparent
 
She is reaching a whole new level of whiteness. Now with alpha channels!
 
Imagine your common skin turning out like the skin under your eyes
 
Bibi of Tel-Aviv, PM of the Jews
 
1:20 PM
turns out I'm ignorant
 
The skin under my eyes?
 
it's an actual thing
 
Hitler obviously merely wanted a glass of juice.
 
@Rerito smbc comics
 
wee
 
1:21 PM
@Jefery Yeah dunno how to call it... But it's really thin there
At least for me
 
I understand now. Took me a while.
 
Just below your eyes
The part that gets purple if you don't sleep enough :p
 
Yeah
 
It's actually incredible that he had the guts to absolve Hitler just to spew anti-Palestine propaganda
 
Eyelids are probably thinner
 
1:24 PM
@Jefery HS? :p
 
@Rerito mine is purple all the time in the left side
I always look like I've been in a fight
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is it a condition?
 
Dunno. Been like that since birth
 
@Rerito No branching involved.
 
There's probably an english noun to describe this part but I dunno it
 
1:25 PM
@Rerito Um?
 
@Rerito the lower eyelid itself, or below that?
 
@LucDanton L'endroit où y a les cernes
 
@LucDanton lol
 
@Jefery Hearthstone
 
1:26 PM
@fredoverflow That's okay, it's a well kept secret.
 
@LucDanton Picture caption says "eye bags"
Pretty smart wording I think
 
@Rerito ben ça c’est les cernes, mais pas l’anatomie
 
Oh right
 
Ell
@fredoverflow lol
what a fail
 
1:27 PM
@Rerito It's just a form of edema
 
'(peri)orbital skin' is probably just going to make everyone scratch their head
 
Ell
oh wait
> Programming Parody
 
@sehe We're discussing the existence of a name to describe the skin, not the eye bags themselves. I may not have been clear :)
 
@Rerito still probably the best way to make yourself understood
or 'eye bag area' if it comes to that
 
@Rerito Sure
 
1:32 PM
 
@Rerito then I don't get how "eye bags" could even refer to it. Skin exists on my wrist. It exists on elephant's backs...
in Discussing the new C++ Book/Site, 11 secs ago, by Kevin C
Ok, so that problem solved. So, we can move to next issue.
 
@sehe most (or some?) of the time, you don’t have eye bags showing though
 
Capable of having a reasonable discussion.
 
Ell
Yeah, if someone is tired you (don't!) say "you look tired; you have bags under your eyes"
 
what’s it called the rest of the time, was the question
 
1:37 PM
@LucDanton (peri)orbital skin? The orbits?
 
now I’m scratching my head
> For instance the algebraic data type Day contains the seven obvious constructors:
try to guess which of the seven obvious constructors obviously comes first
 
Sunday
(inb4 french author)
 
is a day dedicated to the sun
 
@sehe that would be crazy; it’s Sun
 
head desk
 
1:42 PM
Sun :: Dae
 
but very few likes Monday - the day of the moon - because ... fuck the moon.
 
That's a pretty effective blow-by-blow exposition: i.imgur.com/l8WAUnx.png
> “Never do that by proxy which you can do yourself.”

– Italian proverb
Can someone do a fact check on Niebler's claim?
 
@chmod666telkitty I think the monday hate resides elsewhere :p
 
@Jefery Too bad you couldn't see the army of ponies (it's the idea behind that last deck)
 
1:49 PM
I'm thankful
 
I had a strong draw but not the most fun
 
@sehe I'm not sure. I would have to hear that in its italian proverbial form to know if it's true
Funny how an italian proverb doesn't seem to have an italian translation.
 
Also @Jefery if your card set is not very furnished yet, you should try mage
 
@Rerito I'm at a higher level with priest than any other, including mage.
I'm around level 30 with priest.
And 2 wings completed of the naxx adventure.
 
@Jefery Have you at least leveled all your classes to lvl 10?
 
1:55 PM
I think so
Mage is around 21
 
You should try to go further in Naxx
 
The other I don't remember.
 
The most interesting cards to unlock remain
 
hrm
interesting
sometimes when I order fatty food
it spills some oil
but it sometimes seems to leak through the plastic bag
even though there are no visible holes
wonder if plastic is permeable for oil
 
Is it 100% sealed
Transport makes things move
That's enough to spread shit everywhere
 
1:58 PM
@orlp Happens a lot with my food
 
I ordered spare ribs
which came in an aluminum box thingy
it had spilled, so there was oil on the bottom of the aluminum
 
@CatPlusPlus I’m not salty or anything, but that’s a lot of Nacl
 
@Jefery tbh I think it's obviously fake
 
I took an intact, clean plastic bag and I wrapped it around the box
 
@sehe Me too
 
1:59 PM
after a while there was oil on the outside bottom oof the bag
 
I cannot seem to find anywhere on the internet what the translation would be.
 
@LucDanton All praise djb
 
@CatPlusPlus unless you have had to read his code
 

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