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15:00
@chmod711telkitty IMHO, at least at some level, the relationship has to be quid pro quo. If one side is not reciprocating, why bother?
@chmod711telkitty Well, you know it, deal with it!
I can't ... have you tried to change yours lately?
@ElimGarak tingling?
@chmod711telkitty It seems to me, you do not want to be rejected so you do the rejecting/moving on yourself first.
@wilx Use a turbine.
@melak47 When you press ctrl+space on an empty line, do you get the intellisense dropdown? (Complete word shortcut)
15:00
@MartinJames lol, wat?
@wilx 'not reciprocating'
Ell
Ell
I didn't embarrass myself here last night did I?
@wilx that could be true too, but why can't I fall back in love with someone?
yes.
@ElimGarak No additional information available :D
15:02
@chmod711telkitty Fall back?
@melak47 Yours is broken too?
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, I'M GOING TO SEATTLE AND AM BRINGING A CHAINSAW.
@Ell all i remember from you is something about a girl and her butt being (damn) fine. Did you say anything else?
surely if they start to show interest (especially by asking me out), I should just throw myself at them right?
Ell
Ell
@Borgleader I'm not sure :V
I hope not
I deal with VPAndRTArrayIndexFromAnyShaderFeedingRasterizerSupportedWithoutGSEmulation on a fucking daily basis, I can't function without fucking Complete Word Intellisense. I am so fucking irritated.
15:04
wow
@ElimGarak it still works on member access and stuff, but yeah. any completion local variables or types or whatnot seems broken. :D
@chmod711telkitty That depends on what you want. But the relationship, if it is to be romantic and/or (then) sexual, has to progress perceivably for both of you. If it does not, well, ...
@melak47 Also enums (unless you type the name from memory and ::). (member access works, but that's trivial)
like I said: timing issue :p
@ElimGarak you can try just :: :D
15:05
and as you age, it gets worse
best haloween costume ive seen this year thanks reddit, actually the aladin guy was pretty good too
@melak47 I know, but that is so fucking stupid, I don't want to do that. Do I have to? :( I guess, no choice.
@chmod711telkitty Are you afraid of being hurt?
Of course I do
It's that or typing D3D12_INPUT_CLASSIFICATION_PER_INSTANCE_DATA from memory.
15:06
don't you?
@chmod711telkitty With that I agree. For me, it is now harder to love than it used to be. I had a girl friend during the summer, she fell in love with me and I could not.
@ElimGarak this sucks. I really should have gone for the standalone compiler thing methinks
@chmod711telkitty Sure, I guess everybody is to some degree.
@wilx don't you have like a legion of kids already
stop loving and get working m8erino
ATTENTION LOUNGE: Don't update to Update 1 RC. I repeat, don't update.
15:07
@AlexM. Just 2.
@wilx Wait, your girlfriend fell in love with you? Now I'm confused.
@ElimGarak Report issues to the Connect site.
@ElimGarak What update?
@fredoverflow VS 2015 update release candidate
why does elim have such a similar avatar to melak's
15:08
oh okay I don't use that
@fredoverflow the release candidate for Update 1, supplanting the CTP for Update 1 that had no features
It's not a release candidate, it is asylum patient candidate
I have this theory: it's easier for people to fall in love when they are young, because that's when it's easiest for them to reproduce offspring.
I already did :S
15:08
Intellisense borken in many places. Ctrl+space doesn't work, for one.
he's a robot, he doesn't need that
@fredoverflow I have used two words, girl and friend for a reason. We met, we dated, we had sex but all that on premise it was about the mutual company, not love.
Meh, I run with that disabled
@chmod711telkitty Also young people haven't had their heart broken quite as often ;)
@wilx Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
@R.MartinhoFernandes VPAndRTArrayIndexFromAnyShaderFeedingRasterizerSupportedWithoutGSEmulation :D
15:09
It's never been not-broken
@fredoverflow Why?
But now it is more broken. :'(
@wilx Because usually one of them wants more after sex.
@wilx how does that work
freddy, the relationship expert! :p
15:10
@fredoverflow We cuddled! :) On serious note, yes, it apparently is not sustainable for long time.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You always type out everything from start to finish?
For me, that would mean a 1.7x increase in time spent writing code, at best.
reversing this install is going to be hell...
@Elim IME vim's dumb completion does a better job than IntelliSense.
15:11
@melak47 I just noticed that today. JESUS FUCK.
@melak47 haha trying to uninstall microsoft products
gg
It's like VS is built by chimps. I have so many fucking duplicates of redists, it is fucking hilarious. VS gave my machine cancer.
@chmod711telkitty Relationships usually suck after a couple of months when the hormones settle down and people realize that their significant other has flaws as well.
someone told me it's a year
@Scott I found my broken DS Lite.
15:13
@chmod711telkitty Well, it varies from person to person, I guess.
@melak47 lol
@ElimGarak they're not duplicates! you need all of those! :p
I am so agitated right now. I need to calm down. I expected to get shit done and I was reinstalling VS 2 times after a botched installs.
@melak47 Actual duplicates (not unique variants)
15:13
@chmod711telkitty Have you had relationships last more than a year?
I think for me, it might be shorter. I was a job hopper, my relationship status is just a lot worse.
@ElimGarak These seem unique, the versions are different.
@fredoverflow nope
@melak47 at least partially to do with msi being a horrible technology, imho
@chmod711telkitty I can't imagine people working in the same job for 20-30 years.
15:14
@TomW I'mma attempt uninstall and see how much crap remains.
@wilx I had 2 of each in that list. Had to reinstall VS.
Even 10 years sounds almost impossible. How do you not get bored?
My first year out of postgrad, I went through 3 jobs
My longest (other than my company) was 2 years
15:15
You have your own company?
What do you do, tele-market kitties?
I had hoped to get a bunch of shit done today. I spent today helping Visual Studio find the fucking Windows SDK.
@ElimGarak How many GBs does VS suck up these days?
@ElimGarak what were you trying to do originally?
15:17
@AlexM. Botched update 1 RC install.
@AlexM. "get a bunch of shit done"
no, the shit you were trying to get done
@fredoverflow depends how much stuff you select. the android and ios stuff takes up a bunch
Let's say I just want to write C++.
HAHA. there is no uninstall for the update. Are you kidding me?
15:17
Weird thing is that, the company that I was told that everyone stayed for ever & ever, I only lasted 6 months there. But the one that's a revolving door, I stayed there 2 whole years.
6 mins ago, by Alex M.
@melak47 haha trying to uninstall microsoft products
it's like you don't want to listen
just reinstall windows m8
nooo pls
@melak47 you should be able to find the msi it installed from in...some cache. Somewhere. I can't remember where
Why people install update RCs and expect no trouble is beyond me.
15:18
@AlexM. I wanted to implement a new variant of my voxelization engine to better handle selective dynamic revoxelization via D3D12 3D tiled resources (smart usage of memory, arbitrary* resolution). And then Robot posted the update... And I went for it like a fool.
@melak47 Look ma, VS is now in the cloud, too!
But one of the things msi is supposed to do is cache the installer so that it can always uninstall. IIRC, anyway
It seems the harder to stay in a place, the longer I stay. I could not last in a place where everyone's there for ever & ever :p
Never again. Until next time.
@TomW yeah C:\Windows\Installer
15:19
@ElimGarak are you a graphics wizard?
Zzzz land time ...
@melak47 yeah that sounds right. Were you just complaining about VS team being stupid and lazy?
@AlexM. Today, I am merely channeling fury. And I now understand the burning desire serial killers have.
sounds like you know this stuff, anyway
@chmod711telkitty: Maybe you should get a psychologist. :)
15:20
@TomW no. I bet even if I find the right msi in 1226 folders, it'll give me the same setup screen as the one from the disk - with no uninstall option :v
msiexec /x
You can remove the python tools from Update 1 RC and get the other stuff back...but you can't remove update 1. or roll back the compiler. awesome
fred is kinda right tho
why are you guys installing candidates
@melak47 Visual Studio was unable to finish the installation of some components. Here's the error code which is basically a fuck you. Oh, btw. Take a look at all the shit I did install. Impressive, right?
7
And when I ask you to install a new version of the Windows SDK, don't contradict me, it is not a newer version. Don't think. Nuke it from orbit and install it again.
@TomW I'll just remove the whole thing....
15:24
srsly am I the only one who mistakes elim for melak and vice versa
"Smart" installers are a blight.
@AlexM. yes :p
I have no trouble telling us apart.
well it would be hard for you to mistake yourself for elim
since your messages are highlighted in orange
although it did happen with me and rapptz
Alright, I'll indulge. Find me a better contrast/color Elim Garak and I'll oblige.
15:25
at one time I went far enough from the monitor to see the difference
and I was like "why did rapptz say what I just said"
@ElimGarak we already had this conversation didn't we? :p
Many times. :D
Every time I agree to make a change, but require a troubled lounger to make a semi-effort... Conversation dies. :D
Who is this Elim Garak guy, anyway? Can't you pick a normal guy like Geordy LaForge or Riker? :)
We need to introduce Fred to DS9. :D
I think I'm going to go out tonight and drink a lot of Somersby. Can't wait for tomorrow, though. To see just how broken and partial the new C++ stuff is in this magnificent update.
@ElimGarak partial expression SFINAE!
that totally doesn't mean broken :)
15:30
Yeah, not that. Usually it all comes with an asterisk with MSVC. Anybody has that roadmap image that Cat Plus Plus once linked?
The first one could work.
The second one would be a nice candidate for still looking the same at that size. :p
That'll show 'em !
wait why the fuck do I have lounge on my primary monitor
why not
15:32
huskies have this strange gaze
Murderous gaze*
@ElimGarak yes
@melak47 Partial partial expression SFINAE. :D Have you had a chance to play around with it?
they look like they're smart enough to kill you
and crazy enough to kill you
15:33
@ElimGarak nah, just finished uninstalling all the "specified components". so of course it leaves all the other unspecified crap littered all over
++i = a, even though it compiles, is probably still undefined behaviour, at least prior to C++11. — fredoverflow 5 secs ago
^ reality check?
Once you install Visual Studio, reinstalling the OS is pretty much the only real uninstall of VS.
but I still have 11GB space left on C:, it'd be such a waste to start over now!
I'm so glad I know what I'm uninstalling here...
@melak47 There we go, now up to 36 hours until the chat reflects the changes. :D
15:37
@melak47 Would probably be too dark, the first one was the brightest. :D
@melak47 I never use that
@JohanLarsson use what?
@melak47 That's Romulan for Tal Shiar spy software 2.2.
it's a language pack for microsoft help viewer, I think. which I absolutely need...
@fredoverflow Is that UB?
15:41
@fredoverflow I don't think that's UB.
Which part of VPAndRTArrayIndexFromAnyShaderFeedingRasterizerSupportedWithoutGSEmulation do you not understand? needs to be on a shirt.
@ElimGarak Did you sacrifice a goat before beginning the uninstall?
@Borgleader No, but I am thinking about ritual sacrifice of the VS team right now. :D
15:44
@ElimGarak theres your problem
why the hell are there so many localized ".NET 4.X Targeting Pack" - what the hell does the language have to do with targeting different platforms
I miss Top Gear :(
and every one of these little uninstallers is a special little snowflake
oh dear.
It is well defined that at least 1 will fail.
15:48
Couldn't they at least properly localize the installers of the localized SDK installs? :p
melak, what you're doing is called reasoning. Stop projecting your values onto Microsoft. :D
this is a less than helpful error message.
@Puppy did the line/column overflow?
that's a totally unrelated matter to the fact that the error message is unhelpful ;p
Jul 11 '13 at 14:43, by DeadMG
I'm actually starting to have problems writing Wide programs because the compiler error messages are so unhelpful.
15:51
and also you lose the outlining as soon as there's an error ;p
@ElimGarak I would love if all of these installers actually installed nothing but the uninstaller, just so you have a localized "uninstall" entry
The day when Firefox UI stops getting fucked up by normal usage will be a glorious day
Yeah, that's been happening to me as well, but only as of the latest update.
> Visual Studio 2015 installs a Secondary Installer that lets you install third-party applications. When Visual Studio 2015 or the Secondary Installer is uninstalled, the third-party applications that were installed may not be uninstalled.
may not be is legalese for will not be
15:53
They KNOW how crappy this is!
In fact, Microsoft retains the right for the uninstaller to install more stuff.
That's the equivalent of leaving dangling pointers everywhere. If you installed shit, you uninstall shit. Or go fuck yourself. Primary/secondary/tertiary installer, who cares? It's still your shit.
they have GC in C# so who cares right
true
15:55
The last part was a bit weird, I admit.
Also, TreeSize is a glorious piece of software.
@ElimGarak I thought I read the compiler + stdlib only thing was also available with this preview, but I can't find it
> @Marcel Raad - you are right that it's installing unnecessary language packs. Internally, we caught that too late to fix for RC, but it will be fixed in the final release.
I am trying to survive with :: because I can't D3D12_ROOT_SIGNATURE_FLAG_ALLOW_INPUT_ASSEMBLER_INPUT_LAYOUT all the time, so I am too mad to even get mad about that. :D
Don't install RCs on production machines
Ah, this one is for experimenting, however, I still find breaking already semibroken things even more while trying to put more stuff in infuriatingly hilarious.
your avatar! it's changed! :D
16:10
Is it better nau?
how is it so crisp
everyone else's is a blurry tiny thumbnail
@Nooble sup
@ElimGarak Hi.
I'm trying to open up my NDSL.
I can't access the broken front display because it hides behind the motherboard.
I am trying to force myself to continue playing Rebel Galaxy, but I can't.
^ He doesn't look like a Kevin to me.
16:15
@StackedCrooked Glorious, majestic beard.
Speaking of majestic things, how's that nonius coliru integration going? :P
Stacked disappears :D
what's nonius again?
@StackedCrooked benchmarking lib by robot
That's the equivalent of asking someone out and her responding: "Who are you again?"
ahahahahah
For some weird values of equivalent
Cat is sour today. :P Must be having issues with mouse controls. :P
@ScottW Mwahaha I've bought a top panel and full housing for my broken DS.
It'll be practically brand new in around a week.
I'd like a benchmarking tool that can be included in the released product and that occasionally samples certain parts of the code at runtime.
16:22
Weird encounters of the third kind: On a dating website, some woman contacted me, we chatted a little bit then she changed her profile picture that of David Backham and disappears.
@wilx Plot twist: It was David Beckham.
@ElimGarak lol, nope. We were talking Czech.
How do you know David Beckham doesn't know Czech
@ElimGarak October 31 2015: Cat was sour today as well.
@CatPlusPlus I am fairly certain. But I give him 0.01 % benefit of doubt. :)
16:25
Ah yes. Estimated delivery for all the replacement parts is November 4.
Cannot wait to play Pokemon Sapphire again.
Nooble, GTA V going for $40 on Steam. :P I need someone to do heists with.
Shadow of Mordor was <20$, almost bought it
@Borgleader That one seems like a mechanically fantastic game, but too grim for me.
@ElimGarak But I just spent my entire Paypal balance on Nintendo DS Lite replacement parts.
16:28
Dom, are you the guy I did those bf3 co-op missions with?
@Puppy Yeah, I remember sucking hard. :D
I remember that part too
;p
@ElimGarak I'm a scrub, but I think only a level or two from being allowed in heists
Ugh and fucking holiday tomorrow
@melak47 Ping when there. :D I can do PC & PS4, just not XOne, don't have it there. :D
16:29
well, I have a PC. :p
ping when where
Ready for heists. :D
@wilx Since I had a bit wine (why wine, you are so cheap!), I think I should make this clear, I am not afraid of rejection as I am afraid of entrapment. What's the biggest trouble you have to deal with rejection: you have to find substitutes, which is easy. Because the world is full of interesting things. That's why there are so many styles of clothes, so many occupations that people love.
But entrapment is different. The worst thing is get stuck & there is no way out but the clock is ticking. You see, all you have is time. And as you age, the proportion of every second you have vs time reminding, gets smaller. So the effect is compounded since you also have less time. Also good night, because I can not wake up too late for my brunch.
damn, my new avatar is not dark enough to be mistaken for yours!
damn, your face
@chmod711telkitty Entrapment? Ok, good night. (I do not think I get it, though.)
16:31
@Puppy w-what? :(
Fair enough. I still think I was reasonably balanced there, but you're free to disagree. Apparently your moral standards are higher than I realized. — sehe 37 secs ago
I remember mostly just flying in BF3, helicopters and planes. I can dominate the skies, but when I get shot down, even if I parachute, someone is going to own me.
"Give it a rest!" - "Calm down!".
Seems my ~4th encounter with the Obrit has brought us back to usual levels of emo
ha ha you tried to talk with lrio
Sorry
16:33
@sehe It's lrio, what were you anticipating
fuark, I didn't download the iso for 2015 RTM. web installer it is...
@melak47 Ahahah, clear the next 2 hours. :D And prepare your ass for a restart. :D
@ElimGarak Flying in BF3 was super fun, but after a while I learned that everybody else's jets could turn faster than mine. I never did figure out why and stopped playing the game.
@fredoverflow to answer your earlier question:
Hmm, I need to get red shorts that fit on my head...
16:37
also I disliked the jet's lack of good ground attack options
@Puppy radar guided missile was the only thing IIRC
Flying in GTA V is actually amazing. The mechanics are a great blend between arcade and rudimentary simulation.
@melak47 You could get unguided rockets too, but they just didn't do much damage and were hard to aim.
really I kinda felt like the jets are a nice idea but impossible in practice
in the original incarnation anybody could shoot down a jet with the missile launcher, so they were kinda useless
The Lounge would have so much fun in a private world (free roam, GTA Online).
then they nerfed missile launchers and jets became unstoppable flying machines of doom
then they nerfed jets and they became useless again
try flying in KSP
KSP is notorious for non-rockets. For flying, I mostly prefer Prepar3D (Lockheed Martin purchased training variant of FSX) and FSX. :D
depends on which version you're talking about
they did a lot of work on it right after 1.0
Got better lately? :D
puppy airlines
16:46
Giving the passengers a screamin' good time. :D
user406009
@ElimGarak I thought this was GTA V? Where are all the people shooting down the jet with rockets? /s
@ElimGarak Turns out that doing above Mach 4 in atmo is pretty tough.
@Lalaland I usually have private "rooms" when I want to play around with a few friends. :D
Most players are dicks, as you mention.
user406009
Most people become dicks when they are anonymous.
Lately I've been doing cat III(b) landings (ILS with instrumental flying rules) in FSX. With really poor visibility, as well as random malfunctions and storms. :D
user406009
16:50
IIRC that was one of the main justifications for Facebook's real name policy.
@Puppy How's the food?
let's just say there are no cold beverages available on board
@ElimGarak alright setup finished
and it didn't even tell me to reboot!
woop woop
#jelly
16:52
hmm
I'm hankering for some new gaming
CS and SC2 are starting to feel a little tired
user406009
Factorio is quite fun.
> Really poor landing, The aircraft jumped after first touch down. Go back to flight school
Ignorant people on the internet ahahah
I own factorio but stopped playing it shortly after purchase because it was terrible
@ElimGarak are you in the lounge group?
user406009
Have you played Fallout New Vegas or Skyrim yet?
16:55
@melak47 Steam? I'll add myself when I get back from teh date today. :D
yeah
@Puppy It improved quite a while in recent months
I admittedly purchased it quite early, in alpha or pre-alpha or something like that
so it may be less shit now
what was the second ping. no edit? o.O
No idea (check history) :D
16:57
huh. refresh did it
@ElimGarak alright :)
@Lalaland No, and nor do I intend to
We can play regardless of heists, I like messing people up as much as the next psychotic motherfucker (in the words of Franklin) :D
you are the next psychotic motherfucker

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