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22:00
I didn't pay attention before 'twenty minutes'.
Well that name preceded the trope I believe.
Oh nevermind.
22:01
@LucDanton "Phlebotinum" is hard to argue against.
Now someone has to go back and check.
"Sealed evil in a can" is used in a recent One Piece episode..
Yup, tropes.
So probably every one had one.
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STL is awesome.
22:03
If he did indeed name each slide like that, I like how at the beginning the name is fitting enough that we didn't notice and how now it's getting far-fetched.
Yeah.
Well, I didn't really pay attention to titles at all.
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I just noticed because I read through many TVTropes pages..
We all did.
identical
22:05
This is actually a great way to distract the audience when it gets boring. I'm actually paying attention to find the easter eggs.
One of us!
@CatPlusPlus Not you too.
I totally missed the previous six or seven slides due to tropes.
Damn.
tl;dr, use for(auto&& e: c)
(Probably, I'm not paying attention. It's just what I do already.)
This is new to me.
22:07
Yeah, auto is safer.
Though he's saying auto&/const auto&.
auto&& is most obscure!
I don't want to assume that the return type of operator* is value_type& or value_type const&, so I use auto&&.
Ooh, link to bugfixed standard.
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22:09
@RMartinhoFernandes :O
Ha, found it: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/IRobot It's in here.
Not a trope, but it's in the site.
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lol, but him back in the queue xD
WTF GoingNative-2012 site: "Silverlight Not Supported
This browser doesn't support Silverlight, sorry!"
Is Jonathan someone I should know, or a coworker of him?
@LucDanton Guy who implemented range-based loop.
GoingNative live stream, Silverlight-free.
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A question about the T-shirt?
22:15
A question on the T-shirt? I didn't pay attention to the remark.
There's apparently a T-shirt with code on it.
Oh, the T-shirt has that code with the futures and the range-based loop.
Again, spot on 60 minutes.
I haven't heard of Concert - are there multiple implementations or a specific source?
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How the fuck do they do that?
22:15
Very enjoyable talk. Thanks, STL :)
It's Concurrency Runtime.
From MS.
@Xeo Practice much?
@Xeo They leave time for questions, and stop accepting questions when the time is up.
so only works on MS - too bad
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@FredOverflow I plan to link him to stackoverflow.com/q/9003425/500104 :)
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, but spot on to the second?
22:16
Well, they're bound to have clocks.
1 hr intermission?
Ah, only 15 minutes to Andrei, nice.
15 minutes.
@LucDanton That would be 1729
cool
22:17
The choice of intermission music is supreme.
> 1729 is the natural number following 1728 and preceding 1730.
no way!
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@FredOverflow Captain Obvious is on a run again.
Wikipedia has a goal to document all natural numbers.
When will the video for this talk be up? I want to list the tropes.
I need burgers.
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22:18
@RMartinhoFernandes within 24h
You can go back now.
1 hour ago, by kfmfe04
how long is this intermission?
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@RMartinhoFernandes Also, you can skip back in the stream
and now?
22:18
Andrei's still doing C++? I thought he moved to the D camp, hehe
@CatPlusPlus Does Wikipedia have a meta-circular article? That is, an article that explains the article itself?
@Xeo No Silverlights here (one reboot away).
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1 min ago, by FredOverflow
Ah, only 15 minutes to Andrei, nice.
VLC doesn't seem to like skipping back.
@FredOverflow Probably.
@kfmfe04 He tries do get D stuff into C++ (static if).
@sehe But it wasn't.
@FredOverflow ah - reverse - that's good
Visible Invisibility.
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@FredOverflow "Static If I Had A Hammer" tomorrow. :)
22:20
Sometimes I find it hard to understand Andrei :-/
Malevolent Architecture.
@RMartinhoFernandes Out of the box it won't save the stream and will just discard the data. I don't know if there's an alternative (there's certainly a way to save though).
Exposition Diagram.
A Wizard Did It.
Yeah, I've recorded streams before. Never while watching simultaneously though, so don't know how that goes.
When Things Spin, Science Happens.
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22:21
He even used tropes while talking
Like "Color coded for your convenience"
@CatPlusPlus Holy shit that was so bang on topic I didn't give it second thought.
Computers Are Fast.
Nice Job Breaking It, Hero.
How could I miss that one.
I should have caught it on the wizard thing.
Set Right What Once Went Wrong.
@Xeo Who said that?
22:22
Benevolent Architecture.
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@FredOverflow STL
So, something.
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/me won the data race
Drop the Hammer.
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Damn. If I had a Twitter account, I'd have sent a question if all titles where from TVTropes.
22:23
(I'm skipping, so I might miss something.)
Oh, now Chrome crashed.
I should sleep soon, but I don't want too :(
@Xeo Do you still doubt it? I mean, apart from the last one, which is from "I, Robot" (ewww, I thought STL had good taste).
@CatPlusPlus You still hate range-based for, don't you? :)
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@RMartinhoFernandes No, but I'd have been nice if that question actually got through. :P
I never hated range-based for.
22:24
@Xeo What was not so useful?
I just don't care about it.
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@FredOverflow Something in the implementation, don't really remember.
The Reveal.
All There In The Manual.
@FredOverflow That's the puppy. And he hates "pairs of iterators as ranges", not range-based for per se.
Recently I had to do some Java development and I liked it's range-based for feature. So I'll probably C++'s as well.
22:25
Sealed Evil in a Can.
Pop Quiz. I Will Only Slow You Down.
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, I got it from there.
How long till Alexandrescu starts?
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3min?
I think that's all.
If I didn't miss anything.
22:27
Well, we listed those earlier, I think.
I guess I'm just not nerd enough to "get into" that tropes business :(
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@RMartinhoFernandes When did he have that?
@FredOverflow You probably don't even have a soul, then.
@Xeo Was the title on a slide.
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I missed that, then. :/
22:29
I don't know what the slide was about, I was busy actually reading tropes at the time.
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Andrei up
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Or not.
Breaking news: Andrei went missing, we have another STL talk.
Aw damn.
You know, watching and discussing it live is way more fun than just watching.
Watching whatever stuff alone is always less fun than with company.
22:31
Yep.
What is your opinion on Charles?
Who's Charles?
Zanks.
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The Channel9 guy
it's like Mystery Science Theatre 2000
@RMartinhoFernandes Except for TV shows and films.
22:32
@CatPlusPlus I was including that.
He's a bit harder to understand than previous ones.
Hm, variadic templates, this sounds interesting.
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He's romanian IIRC
That's not an actual English idiom, is it? "The sausage"?
Lol.
printf sucks, I called it first!
22:33
AlgDT are teh shit, I called it.
"Motivation" is not a trope :(
@LucDanton +1.
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Hrhr
But no pattern matching. :(
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@LucDanton AlgDT?
22:34
Algebraic data types.
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ah
Aka the other ADT.
Dadada Ts.
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Da da da..
I get every third word.
22:35
Dadada is en vogue.
Except for 'da da da'.
Let's make it official. ... is the dadada operator (FTR, I know it's not an operator).
Seconded.
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Q: How do I specify a filetype in a Google search?

MosheIs there a syntax to specify a filetype in a Google search? What is it? (I'm looking for PDFs.)

sizeof of dadada.
And fun gun.
22:38
He has a lazur.
Just because he can.
"I have a laser" (yes but we can't see it!)
Dadada is going to expand everything that's on the left.
@sehe Well you should have booked the event!
I did, bit they forgot to relocate to the Netherlands
22:39
We have a comma here.
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The current part is easier explained with , std::forward<Ts>(vs)... as the pattern
aka the comma is a part of it
It's gonna automagically disappear.
Different fonts, woah.
He's not kidding.
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Different da da das!
22:41
STL had better easter eggs.
Tis dadada!
Never watched an Andrei talk, he's fun.
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The only bad thing is that everything will expand with fucking commas
And that you can't for over the things.
how were the talks?
it kind of cleverly looks to its left :)
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22:43
STL's was awesome.
We're still watching.
Now I have a thought: what if two packs in x<Ts&, Us>... are of different size?
It'll cut to the shorter?
@KerrekSB there's your magic 'in lockstep' expansion that baffled me the other day
meh, where's Bjarne's recorded keynote?
Nope, diagnostic.
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22:44
I think the longer will be empty types
@TonyTheLion On the same page
@TonyTheLion Link in the topic is both live and archive.
@Xeo What? WTF is an empty type?
I feel they are bandwidth optimizing by fullscreening to the presentation slides.
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@RMartinhoFernandes X<T3, U3>::x, X<T4>::x
That would be unhelpful and thankfully that's not what happens.
22:45
using should be an expansion locus.
@Xeo That's not an empty type.
template<typename.... T> using foo = T...;? What does that do?
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@LucDanton Does that even work?
@RMartinhoFernandes not in the archive
@LucDanton template <typename... T> class foo { using T::f...; };
22:46
Tis vis.
@RMartinhoFernandes Silly overloaded keywords.
found it
Timeline has talk markers.
In the Silverlight player.
@CatPlusPlus boooo
Do you think Andrei is from the future and he's leaving hints in his slides?
22:47
lol @ exception specifications and attributes.
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@RMartinhoFernandes No, the pattern expansion itself should be more intelligent. :/
Well, he said attributes are possible, but nobody can use them.
@LucDanton He's from the past: he's a vampire.
The real Dracula?
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I feel like I'm from the future, you're all talking about stuff that already happened!
22:48
Dadada is where fun begins.
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Wtf, camera change
Big budget production.
@sehe Wait, who, what are we talking about?
Yay, homework.
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22:50
VVTTs!
GoingNative, Alexandrescu just showed variadics expansion in lockstep vs. 'cartesian' product
class ICantBelieveItsNotButter
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I thik that template thing is ill-formed
It's missing something...
22:51
He said it works.
@Xeo There must be a lag here, since the slide appeared about 30s after you guys posted "VVTTs"
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@sehe Maybe you buffered earlier and are behind?
I'm about 10 seconds behind live.
Ooh, pattern matching.
@CatPlusPlus How do you tell?
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@sehe Look at the timeline
22:52
Player shows current time and stream time.
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It has two times on it
Yeah, like 7:17:38/--:--
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Fuck VLC
Aaaand why didn't you tell me that when I asked you :(
06:34:30/06:34:38
He's crazy, he likes printf!
22:53
Wait what? I'm 40 minutes ahead?
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8 seconds behind, but it already says "live". :(
Then it's just buffer.
@CatPlusPlus Told you he was from the past.
I have 'live' too.
Haha, %z.
22:54
soodoo
like voodoo
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@RMartinhoFernandes What?
That vulnerability he mentioned in sudo is already fixed.
Everybody does it wrong, except yours truly.
"Just add the chicken step, then let it run." The fuck?
@Xeo there is no timeline in vlc
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22:55
@sehe Well... fuck VLC :)
well, I guess I know what I'm doing once I get off work
bah, nobody will catch me if I jsut listen right? Do I need to see anything for GoingNative?
22:58
I never considered that recursion with variadic function templates is not really recursion.
@RMartinhoFernandes and they tell me more or less everything on the slides through my headphones right?
@RMartinhoFernandes I did! When MSVC inlined them all and died on me!
MSVC has no variadic templates.
What did it take him 10 years?
@RMartinhoFernandes oh, well with regular templates then
To notice you can put default on top.

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