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09:00
@Xeo Dunno. I'll be in Köln the 5th and 6th of September.
Xeo
Xeo
Oh.
Cuz my little brother's getting enrolled in primary school on the 5th and I kinda planned on being in Berlin at that day (+-1).
Well crap.
Why do some people write about themselves in 3rd person on SO autobios?
@Xeo Wait, the 5th is Saturday.
How does that work?
@ElimGarak It's one of the first signs of insanity.
Xeo
Xeo
09:04
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a kinda ceremony, not a real school day; that's on Monday.
@Borgleader That's not true :o
@Mr.kbok Yeah, and quite a bit obnoxious. Like you're some politician's Twitter account maintained by interns because you cannot be bothered with the plebs.
@ElimGarak Yeah. Kinda explains the why then
Xeo
Xeo
09:10
Lol, some mod also cleaned up all the comments on that question. Without any comment. Wtf.
@R.MartinhoFernandes wanna drink a coffee somewhere?
@Columbo Sure. Tonight?
I want to drink a coffee.
I'm sorta busy tomorrow.
Doing what, you stallion?
09:14
@Morwenn Is there some sort of coffee shortage where you live?
@Mr.kbok Fortunately, no. I have one in my cup right in front of me.
Mourning
Well that was a need easily fulfilled then
@R.MartinhoFernandes yep
@Xeo what
09:17
Hi nabikacz... hi you
That's not his name
Mourning, yeah.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ What is my name, then?
09:18
You offensive kok
Alternatively, if you are (somehow) unable to refer to me by my internet pseudonym, you can refer to me by my name: Jędrzej
Although that doesn't sound easier in the slightetst
Not sure how to type that e with a cedilla
@nabijaczleweli :D
@Mr.kbok alt+e, duh.
ę
see?
@Mr.kbok LAlt+E
@Mr.kbok AltGr+ç for dead key cedilla on my layout. Easy to remember.
09:22
@LucDanton makes a ^ here
@Mr.kbok lel, ^ is Shift+6
alt+e brings up the edit menu :/
@Mr.kbok J’utilise un truc différent.
dvorak?
@Mr.kbok Make sure you are focused on the text box
@Mr.kbok Nu-uh
09:23
@MaiLongdong teehee
You two are masters
seehee
@Mr.kbok Not as such (Dvorak is for English), although it’s the same principles behind it.
Teehee
@Columbo Let's talk on Slack.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Hanging out with my girlfriend :D
Hey. Current version of <internal package X> is 0.0.99. What version should be next: 0.1.00 or 0.0.991?
:cringe:
09:25
@LucDanton Oh, yeah. Most people who use it call it dvorak anyway (french dvorak)
@Mr.kbok 'Most' as in you’ve seen more than one person that uses it?
@Mr.kbok Seriously? The only people I know who us it call it bépo.
$200+ for a trip to Mt St. Helens from Seattle? This is madness.
@LucDanton Yeah. I work in geeky places
@R.MartinhoFernandes problematic, as my BB has difficulties with it.
09:30
@Griwes should be 0.0.100
amazing :v
@Columbo Oh. Hmm, e-mail? I can't do SMS or calls currently.
@R.MartinhoFernandes why is that?!
Missed my phone bills (sent to wrong address).
Classic robot
09:33
I moved and didn't update it.
Ping me with time and place here
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't help but imagine you mean that literally
everyone at the belgian bar at 19
I might be a bit late, it's a long road
09:36
I'll be there, hiding.
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 "I'm at the other bar, on the U8"
@R.MartinhoFernandes vIv
vIv?
... I don't know o_0
so hey, get me being all fancy, I did some JS dom manipulation stuff, without feeling like I needed to use jquery
not sure if there's anything good about that...
-1 not enough jQuery
09:44
@thecoshman I can explain!!
@thecosh btw, I met Ell last week.
@nabijaczleweli lol it's almost a white paper for jquery
@Mr.kbok ¬_¬ I don't explanations, I want begging for mercy
"if you want to do it in plain js you need ie9+"
09:46
@thecoshman you also don't English apparently.
"look that jquery one liner is only 14 lines of js with two levels of calling back"
@Mr.kbok IE is not an internet browser, though
probably made by C programmers who made it into web. jquery? but bloat!!!
@R.MartinhoFernandes let's gloss over that it's easier for me to open it up again using the tiny url link then it is trying to go through g-drive
09:48
@thecoshman Many sites are blocked at work, such as google stuff, so I check them out with my phone
@Mr.kbok ... but how would tiny url help?
oh, opening it up on phone
lol, copy-pasting?
Er, I mean, manually typing it? lol
into the phone??
google doc urls are a real pain to type manually
qr code it, scan with phone, done.
09:50
I use that.
let alone with a mobile keyboard -_-
@R.MartinhoFernandes neat
o_0 just save the link in email draft
@Mr.kbok So, don't. The easiest methods of external input into phones are QR codes and NFC.
@thecoshman lol
I want ultrasound
Xeo
Xeo
@thecoshman btw, I also met Bartek. Remember that he was at the first uncon
09:51
this should be a thing
Eh, my cup of coffe is empty again :(
@Xeo did he leave you with Haskell scars?
Xeo
Xeo
no
@Morwenn mine's been empty for a few hours
@Xeo oh yeah, don't know how I failed to recall that, both of you being there together like, and staying in the same bed even :P
09:53
But I have a refill waiting for me.
@TonyTheLion How did you survive? :o
@Morwenn barely
I've sort of detoxed myself from the coffee
Xeo
Xeo
@TonyTheLion But I spooked him pretty good when I went out early in the morning on the last day to get food, while he was still sleeping :D
@Xeo lol
@Xeo hehehe :)
Xeo
Xeo
09:53
He was freaking out in hangouts.
@Xeo oooh yeah
@ElimGarak hey hey hey! no.
Believe and the Code shall deliver you unto your Destination.
@R.MartinhoFernandes needs more chrome
But basically, leads to R. Martinho's linkie. Also, states no restart, but had to restart to actually save the generated images to disk.
I'm tempted to bin that qr code
takes up too much screen space
09:57
Also, seems that VS 2015 doesn't generate the SDK path macros for existing projects that have been target-upgraded to the newest SDK version. This is a bit of an issue. But to sleepy to deal with it.
Just. DO IT
@TonyTheLion Go for it.
Hrmmmm, QR codes are interesting
Abusing QR codes is awesome.
I used to backup all my private keys on paper as QR codes.
10:01
bits/char 3⅓
smart, until someone finds them
Haha, there's a big spider in my sink. It freaks out every time I wash my hands :D
@TonyTheLion Er, that's true for any sort of backup.
@TonyTheLion You can also encode "Totally not private keys" to fend off lurkers.
@R.MartinhoFernandes you should do it with like ten sheets of clear plastic stuff, that you have to layer up to get the proper code.
10:02
It's a way to store them in a device-independent form that is easily recoverable. It's not a way to keep them from prying eyes.
Stop giving games 10s, Gamespot. Also, fuck Konami. Also, IGN. Also, the third irrelevant publication.
If the apocalypse happens, you can even just decode them by hand (tedious but apocalypse).
@R.MartinhoFernandes something to while away the hours whilst the 'raoches eat your feet
while (verb): pass time in a leisurely manner.
TIL
10:05
Writing QR codes through a console looks possible
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you know how to decode QR codes by hand?
@thecoshman I've been thinking of an alternative storage mechanism, and hmm, this is actually not that silly an idea.
@Mr.kbok First, you reinvent Wikipedia by hand. Then, you use it to look up how to do just that.
@LucDanton Wikipedia doesn't describe it in enough detail.
@Mr.kbok Well, like he mentioned, it's just tedious.
10:07
Print the source code of a QR code decoder then. That way you have to learn to do it only if needed
Not one of those tricks that will get you laid at parties due to the time investment, but cool nonetheless.
Xeo
Xeo
2h...
@Mr.kbok Nah. I'm learning other codes currently.
@R.MartinhoFernandes First, reinvent WP. Then, edit it.
10:09
@Mr.kbok You'll have to decode the source code first
Which in the case of C code is probably much harder than the QR code itself
Reinvent QR Codes, get lucky, exact spec. Profit.
@sehe What do you mean "you two"
:grin:
Xeo
Xeo
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ No, 2h until early access release. aaaaaaaa
@Xeo Which geam?
Of what?
Is someone in jail?
10:10
Jailfffrey
Xeo
Xeo
(Spoiler: I worked on that. Hence nervousness.)
So wait, you need an early access key to access... your own game?
Neat landing page
@Xeo I just saw a guy crossing another guy as is if it was a ghost
He's nervous about the community's response.
Also, the game looks cute. Don't worry.
Xeo
Xeo
10:11
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ no?
BUT THE WINDMILL DOES NOT SPIN 0/10
Xeo
Xeo
@MaiLongdong It actually does, if there's wheat being milled.
Also, loved The Settlers, will check it out.
2/10 for realism
:D
@MaiLongdong lol
10:12
And Jeff Mills.
By the true creators of “The Settlers 2″ and the “Cultures”-series
There are false creators of The Settlers?
what are the invisible things on top of the mountain
@Xeo Oh, so you are waiting for people to try it out and give feedback?
Ice giants?
Xeo
Xeo
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ ye
10:13
@MaiLongdong Valhalla, man.
Xeo
Xeo
@MaiLongdong Ice vikings and giants and stuff
@ElimGarak Sorry this isn't exactly basic Asian culture
Also, weird that dev diaries are in German.
I like the cartoonish style
Ah, subtitles, nice.
10:16
This is too broad to be addressed since you don't provide any code or the compiler/passes used to optimize that code. If the code makes sense and it's readable to other human beings (i.e. it's not something like start: while(1) { if(0); goto start; }) there's no reason to say it's a poor quality code. — Marco A. 4 mins ago
amirite?
Also, there's an engine programmer. And they're using Unreal Engine 4.
I know engine programmers
they program the electronic units of cars
those are real engine programmers
Well, one does not program merely the engine within cars.
I was just fooling around : P
@MarcoA. I'm not sure there is a relation at all between the ability of a compiler to optimize code and code quality
10:19
@TonyTheLion surely that is prone to useless discussions / broad / primarily opinion based
the user doesn't even provide code or any additional info
@MarcoA. yea
@ElimGarak You just gave yourself away completely. /cc @sehe
that is way too broad a question to be valid
this kills the disguys
oh well, I'm VC++'ing
i.e. VoteClosing++
10:20
Shanghai Composite Index down 8 per cent
@chmod711telkitty is that a financial index?
Yes and Steve Jobs is dead what else is news
@MaiLongdong perhaps you can explain me something I don't understand
I may try or die in the attempt, at least
10:21
@MaiLongdong News of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
Mai longdong had a exciting day at work ... obviously
@ElimGarak Let's give that bus another chance
@MarcoA. Basically, China is having issues. So rich people are losing money.
When US stock exchange drops, Italy's economy is screwed. When China's stock exchange drops, Italy's economy is also screwed.
I mean: wtf?
Everything is connected
10:22
I don't think when Italy's stock exchange drops US or China even scratch their butts
@MaiLongdong Sounds like a commercial for Watch Dogs.
Investors have assets everywhere
@MarcoA. If an Italian bank owns some assets in another country, and those assets lose value, that bank loses value itself. It's a chain like that.
@MaiLongdong Question really is if your longdong is your biggest asset? :P
(simplified example!)
@TonyTheLion Ha!
And just how long the ding dong is?
10:23
@MaiLongdong ah, that makes sense. China owns lots of stuff in Italy then
I always forget to turn off my flashlight on my phone :c
@TonyTheLion Definitely the longest and the dongest.
@MarcoA. Well it doesn't even have to, it's just a game of indirection. If you rely on someone who relies on some who relies on ... someone who's broke, the whole chain is broke :D
was the g's in your name necessary?
Was chmod 711 in your name necessary?
Investors try to minimize risk by spreading it over many things
But China represents like a third of global growth, and my dick the rest.
10:25
inb4 diversify
Ell
Ell
don't put your eggs in one basket n all
So it's not negligible at all
If something lie, idk, Lesotho crashes, the impact would be much more limited.
But China
@MarcoA. China also owns a lot of US debt. (US Treasury Bonds)
Anyway, everyone give a warm welcome back to our dear Domagoj the bus survivor :D
They will cash that in a check addressed to World War III. Or never.
10:27
U.S.'s FED interest rate is at 0.250 %, a lot of ammunition if the U.S. market/economy goes under ... </sarcasm>
The what now? The who? First the accusations of Cicada, then this Domagoj... You guys, you need to let go of the past.
Look to the future, there is a grave with your name on it.
Cicada left a while ago
Ell
Ell
what is happening
At least I am not the woman turned guy turned woman dude anymore
I am actually Morwenn's alter ego.
Yes speaking of which I'll probably be a woman again in 4 days
Still picking the ethnicity
Ell
Ell
10:29
Brown
Like shit.
Alright, and I'll name it "Ndunga Ndunga from Uganda"
No I already had a character from Uganda
:(
Wait, Domagoj is available as a nickname now
Why Domagoji when Emoji is free.
Ell
Ell
Call him Huxley Triumph, he is an old pervy engish man
Ermagoj
10:31
Besides, Long Dong is the best name.
Why it's just your average chinese name really
@chmod711telkitty No selfies pls (also wow you got tanned!)
Ell
Ell
Riccardo Rivvadercci
When you come to the US, you can give yourself a true patriotic name, like Big Dick.
My Big Dick, from Hong Kong.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was mostly joking, but yeah, it adds a final layer of security in that you have know how to layer them up. You could do it with some sort of pin code system, number the sheets, only some many of them are actually 'real'.
10:32
@thecoshman That's no security at all.
If you use clear stuff, you could have some clear, some black and some white.
QR codes have a rigid structure.
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's not amazing, but it's better than just having them
Just line up the alignment patterns and you're done.
You know what else has a rigid structure bby
10:33
Your long dong?
Man, I can't get enough of your long dong. I must be Cicada.
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@thecoshman It isn't. It's really trivial to find the right layering, unless you print very very few bits per layer, but then memorizing the order equates to just memorizing the code itself.
@R.MartinhoFernandes except you might have some of those layers that add dark spots where they shouldn't be etc. It would be hard, as you'd want to make it so that you can't just find the one valid combination
@R.MartinhoFernandes well obviously
@MaiLongdong that's not me, I actually look like this:
as you can see, very thin
Very thing indeed
:25272980 It's not gay if you pretend you're a girl on SO.
10:35
@thecoshman Yes, and then you render it useless because you have to memorize the code. The idea here is to store it in an easily recoverable way. I want to be able to recover it if I suffer from amnesia.
mai is gay, he hit on a few male loungers already
Well, the loungers could do worse.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh well, then you need to also write down exactly what this QR code is for. And then make it so that someone who knows nothing about you would find this if they put trivial amounts of effort into working it out.
male loungers
pleonasm
@thecoshman A private key is very clearly a private key.
10:37
@R.MartinhoFernandes for what though?
-----BEGIN PGP PRIVATE KEY BLOCK----- kinda gives it away.
Could be a chocolate macaroon recipe though
-----SHARE PRIVATE KEY ONLINE-----
sure ok, so you remember nothing, and you have this private key in your pocket. Now what?
Now I have something.
It's > nothing.
10:39
As for Martinho's private key QR code collection, the security stems from hiding in plain sight.
And nobody looking for it actively.
@ElimGarak No, it doesn't.
QR codes are terrible for hiding things in plain sight.
Well, you turn the papers over. :P
They're designed to be easily decoded with a quick look.
What problem are you trying to solve
The code is only a way to store it device-independent.
@MaiLongdong I'm not. I solved it already. Cosh is trying to suggest "improvements".
10:41
They are just poking fun at storing private keys as QR codes and making a big deal out of it.
Add misspellings?
The way to keep it from prying eyes is to, uh, keep it from prying eyes. Put it under the mattress.
Also Superman > Batman.
both < Zubat
You can't catch Zubat.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not, I'm questing your motives.
@R.MartinhoFernandes could be a while to remember that though, especially with amnesia
@thecoshman A QR code is easily decoded without requiring a specific device (or a device at all) using a standardized publicly known process. It is not attached to a specific storage medium; it can be stored in something cheap and widely available like paper, which can be easily shielded against wear and against elements (laminate it). It has error correction which adds another layer of reliability. It's perfect for storing long-term backups of small amounts of data.
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's not really, it's noise that think might be useful
10:47
@thecoshman No, it's not. You're holding too much onto this amnesia thing (I could remember other stuff; still irrelevant). The point is that the code works on its own. It doesn't need an effort on my part to be retrievable.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't have a problem with that. Just the notion that it will help with amnesia, and the 'risk' of having it floating around like that.
@thecoshman I didn't say it will help with amnesia. I said it's recoverable even if I don't remember things.
There's no order to memorize or anything like that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes which is a pointless feature. It's like pointing out that there a comets with millions of tonnes of diamonds.
@thecoshman Why is that pointless?
Paper is more reliable than my memory.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok, not 100% pointless.
10:49
If I add something that I need to remember to it, I'm essentially bottlenecking its long-termness to my memory.
oh no... now I'm wondering what makes you 'you' :\ if you don't remember anything from before an accident...
@thecoshman Gee, really hung up on that 'amnesia' word.
I could, uh, just forget something I haven't had the need for in ten years and still remember everything else.
what are the chances that you'd actually remember where you put it?
I mean you personally

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