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12:00 AM
Ah, it was two GPUs and a bridge in one logo, I got into the habit of writing SLi.
 
Speaking of GPUs, I sure do wish that the AMD Fury X allowed for aftermarket coolers.
The 980Ti is still the best card I think--overclocks real well.
 
I would like to see 4 Fury Xs.
 
Ell
There is one
 
Wonder how AMD is going to respond to NVLink, hopefully soon.
 
And almost always beats the TITAN because of... what's that thing... like turbo boost but for NVIDIA cards.
 
12:02 AM
Without a higher bandwidth for interGPU communication, you're pretty much stuck duplicating data on all of them. If one could share data in a fast manner between them, very high density volumes used as volume tiled resources could enable blazing fast full glossy and diffuse GI.
 
GPU Boost.
 
Imagine it, no more fake reflections.
Sampled from a static precomputed and preconvolved probe.
Which in UE4 is a hilarious 128x128x128 /facepalm
or 128x128 6 sides
 
@RadAway Raycasting is still a problem, no?
It's still expensive.
Oh precomputed.
 
No need for raycasting, cone tracing and voxelization is the shit right now in the industry. The tech itself is not really useful in games yet, but its derivatives are pretty cool. New screenspace reflection tech has been inspired by it (Frostbite, Mirror's Edge)
I've actually hoped for it to come sooner, John Carmack too I think, he said somewhere sparse voxelization ought to be the future.
Back in 2006., but the hardware was far off
Nvidia introduced 8800GTX in November of that year, much power, very GPU.
They actually used OpenGL and faked compute shaders by ID'ing vertex shaders.
Performance was shit, tho'. 60-70 ms per frame (15 FPS on avg), on a GTX480
This is that tech that Unreal tried to implement and failed. The guy works for Nvidia and basically VXGI is a direct descendant of that tech, of the shitty black box called Game Works, integrated in UE4 recently again, but not for public consumption.
Nvidia has figured out fast interGPU/CPU communication with NVLink, AMD brought HBM with a 4096-bit memory interface for intraGPU consumption. AMD & Nvidia need to get together and make a baby.
 
I'm naive, but how is nvlink different then more PICe? Is figuring out communication the same thing as just adding more wires?
 
12:13 AM
@RadAway This never happens.
 
NVLink is part of Nvidia's Pascal architecture, it is an augment for PCIe. Also, it is their response to AMD APUs. Nvidia doesn't do CPUs, so they figured out the best next thing, they're trying to make a push with NVLink. Reduce latency and increase bandwidth reasonably via additional hardware without collecting it all on a single PoP-SoC
But Nvidia is still just in the bragging/whitepaper stage with all that. First goal for them is to help build the next US supercomputer (a response to the Chinese)
PCIe 4.0 will soon come along and bring a bit higher bandwidth, but still less than half of what NVLink promises.
The issue is, though, one needs to have both a proper processor that supports PCIe 4.0 and has sufficient lines to actually satisfy the full potential of it. And GPUs that support it. Multiple GPUs, without the enthusiast grade i7 processors, seldom have enough lines for even PCIe 3.0 to work at full capacity. Even with switches.
 
@RadAway That's gonna take forever.
 
Microsoft gave us guidelines to assume that most people will be stuck at around 5-8 GB/s for now (sysmem -> vidmem), to aim for that. That is our budget. For reference, PCIe 3.0 has been around for years, its bandwidth at max is 16 GB/s. Dire underutilization of potential.
 
Watching Divergence now.
 
Wait, is Divergence shit? Or Insurgence? Insurgent? What?
 
12:20 AM
The society organization in that universe makes no sense to me.
They have these factions.
But from the amount of people visible on the screen there are equal amounts of people in the factions.
 
I also don't get how Hunger Games became a thing. I find it difficult to buy society would ever let it get that bad. But then again, fantasy. Fallout 4. <3
 
However, that seems rather unlikely.
It kinda makes the whole thing less believable.
 
I need a new Star Trek TV show.
Good old, prime universe Star Trek.
And not that Star Trek Renegades bullshit. Everybody is trying to appeal to fools who desire blood and war. I miss the diplomacy, Picard's irreverent speeches and all that shit.
Also Sisko, with his yelling. THE BLAME LIES WITH THE MAN WHO ORDERED THE ATTACK, NOT THE MAN WHO TRIED TO CARRY IT OUT. DAYUUUM, BURNED.
 
Wait a second. PCIe 4 was announced a long time ago.
Dunno why it's still not on motherboards.
 
Yes, quite a bit ago. It takes a while for it to get in. You need Intel, AMD, Nvidia and every motherboard company to get onboard.
DDR4 was pretty much a disappointment.
Reduced power requirements, slightly higher transfer speeds... Meh.
Here's some details on NVLink: devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelforall/…
 
12:28 AM
THE GUIDFATHER (annoyed): I'll make him an offer he can't reuse.
kek'ed
 
Somehow pretty witty
 
12:52 AM
SCNR.
 
Oh, it's 3am already.
 
1:11 AM
Yup
 
1:40 AM
Uh.
Is it me or is Divergent fear mongering against science?
 
Who is Divergent
 
@sehe Me.
 
huh
 
@sehe I think it's a book series.
About how most everyone is the same except a few "divergent" people.
Dunno.
 
1:54 AM
cat sneezes on java
 
Cat++ does java
Apr 30 at 11:35, by chmod 711 telkitty
I want to change the modern architecture and allow every property to have a small detachable space (a room in a house for example). So people can travel in those rooms & when a large nature disaster hits, people can escape in those to other areas.
 
@chmod711telkitty Sounds like a caravan. :)
 
2:10 AM
@chmod711telkitty Sounds like an RV.
 
seems to be similar idea to the one that I had - As I have said, startup ideas are worthless, most of the times anyways
 
@chmod711telkitty That's so cool.
@chmod711telkitty Actually meh no high-speed internet connection.
 
2:30 AM
Do you have a sample XML? (Without further ado: I'd guess it's normal. Boost Property Tree is not an XML library. It's a property tree library. This means it will be "good enough" for config-file like applications) — sehe 1 min ago
 
I see questions on SO continue to skyrocket in quality.
 
That is a high quality question, really
Decent by all standards.
 
I guess I really like questions where an issue is not necessarily attached to a single person's work problem. General discussions of language features come to mind.
Not really good at SO-ing yet, mostly getting (home)work issues only. Also, one that replaced a = with a -. And then stared in confusion.
Here's one of the true fresh greats :P
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Q: outside definition of member class of an explicitly specialized member class

stackcppthis example is from N4527 14.7.3[temp.expl.spec]/5, a little bit of change. template<class T> struct A { struct B{}; }; template<> struct A<char>::B{ void f(); struct C; struct D{}; // ok }; void A<char>::B::f(){}// ok in gcc5.1.0 and clang3.6.0 struct A<char>::B::C{};// erro...

Also, SQL is still awesome. Makes me sad I don't have a project to use it in.
Anybody watching Aquarius, the show set in the 1960s with Duchovny (Hank from Californication)?
2
Q: C++ in-place construction & subsequent destruction: how do I get the right pointer?

iAdjunctDisclaimer: This is a nuanced C++ question relating heavily to a strict reading of the C++ spec. In C++, the traditional way to use in-place construction is: void * pStorage = myPooledAllocationFunction ( /*pool number*/1 ) ; // allocate from pool number 1, for example MyClass * p = new (pStora...

"This is a nuanced C++ question relating heavily to a strict reading of the C++ spec."
Then references C++03. Along with mandatory atrocious code.
 
@RadAway General discussions of language features are off topic!
@RadAway Can you please not link the junk so it takes up all screens?
 
@sehe Must be expressing myself wrong, for example... Someone not understanding sequencing as per C++11+, gets a really interesting answer. And a lot of comments with a bunch of cool insights. That type of thing.
And sure, just lurking a bit. Sorry.
 
2:44 AM
:D
 
Hey, Nick. It's early evening on your end, right?
 
@Borgleader /cc @melak47 added three vids to the Spirit list: livecoding.tv/video/sehe/playlists/boost-spirit (Nested Preprocessor Conditions With Spirit #1..3)
It's 4:45am here. Good night!
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
 
Same, night!
 
@thecoshman I can remind you of this periodically
 
@sehe good night sweet prince!
 
2:46 AM
:smooch:
 
@RadAway yep, only 7:46 pm here :) good night
<3
 
Ah, no sleepy times for me. Must write them codes. Monday coming soon. People angry if codes not there by Monday.
 
lol, that sucks
you getting overtime at least?
 
Yup, but also don't mind it too much. Otherwise, I'd just play around with theoretical physics and frustrate myself with things that really aren't that important. Or worse, play GTA V. Which sold 54 million copies. Out of total 220 million of the series in the last 20 years. Them billions.
 
more $ than my jquery code
 
2:53 AM
$13,200,000,000. Criminal Mastermind Challenge Complete.
 
@huu howdy feller
 
Hi Lounge<JavaScript>
 
hello
 
@sehe night
 
3:08 AM
Hello, Nipple!
Anybody seen some good corn lately?
 
I'm no longer satisfied with Final Bosman's quality. :/
Sadness.
 
The rare times I go to GT, Final Bosman is the only thing I watch... a few years ago I went there daily
but they got rid of the so many ppl
 
Yeah, they got bought out by some company.
Can't remember which, lots of layoffs
 
fuck all this setup... all i wanted to do was display some text in opengl
gdi
i'll finish this tomorrow
 
3:26 AM
@Borgleader Lol.
 
no but srsly
i had to find an atlas generator make the right texture
then i wrote a python script that converted the config to a header file that i could use
then i have to load the dds file, and create a 1d texture with for the indirection
and i still havent written any of the shader code yet, or the high level "here's the string i want to render" code
ugh...
 
3:42 AM
@Borgleader Yeah I'd definitely take a break.
Go watch some koala videos.
 
nah, ima go sleep, 11:45 here
but hey, i might dream about koalas
 
@Borgleader I was gonna tell you that :D
 
3:54 AM
Oh, Build 10525 is here.
 
4:28 AM
static variables are dangerous
 
 
1 hour later…
5:36 AM
goto awake;
 
hi @chmod711telkitty
 
6:28 AM
Anyone here want to help me with a problem im having? For 50$ in BTC?
 
@AndrewPeters Sorry, that is unethical here.
@AndrewPeters What is your specific problem?
 
6:54 AM
@edition ooh money :D
 
 
1 hour later…
Ell
8:33 AM
@edit why is that unethical?
Working for money makes the world go round
 
Xeo
8:43 AM
mornin
 
8:54 AM
hi
@Ell because it's right-wing, fascist, capitalist and imperialist.
And not to mention, racist and islamophobe.
Which is just about the worst combination of things something can ever be.
 
Ell
@borg why not use Cairo+pango?
Wait freetype + pango
 
9:27 AM
Ell, you know you're replying to messages that are several hours old, right?
 
Ell
Yah
 
@Ell This begs the question as to how the world went round before humanity invented money.
 
Ell
They traded stuff for bread and fruit n whatnot
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Hey!
 
well then clearly trading for money doesn't make the world go round
in fact, I would have to suggest that gravity may be responsible for the roughly spherical shape of our planet.
 
9:31 AM
@orlp It's pretty. I like the melancholic atmosphere it inspires :)
Sounds a bit like Yann Tiersen.
 
9:50 AM
@Morwenn and it uses theremin!
 
:o
 
you didn't listen?
 
I didn't recognize the theremin sound to be honest.
 
oh
 
I might have mistaken it for a string instrument.
 
9:51 AM
I guess you didn't watch then :D
which makes sense
 
Watch? It's a fixed image.
 
oh
I think I linked you a studio version then
ah sorry
try that one
(skip first minute)
 
Ah, the sound of the theremin is different in the live version. It still looks like something really hard to play right.
 
takes some balls to do it live
 
Yeah. The laser harp is easier.
 
9:57 AM
@Morwenn also more cancerous :D
 
@orlp It's only light :o
 
lasers
sunlight is also only light
 
@Morwenn hrm, I thought that prolonged exposure to laser light could cause skin cancer
might've just been FUD though
 
@orlp I guess Jean-Michel Jarre would be dead by now then. But he's still touring.
 
@orlp X-ray lasers can cause that, for example.
 
10:06 AM
you know
we all pick up pieces of misinformation in our lives, that live on until challenged
for example, for a long time I simply thought it was a chemical reaction that makes oxygen rich blood turn red, and oxygen starved blood blue
which isn't that crazy, considering there are quite some animals with actual blue blood
 
copper-based rather than iron based iirc
 
Kings have blue blood.
 
did rightfold get banned again?
 
No.
I just happened to be logged in with this account on this computer and I CBA to log out.
I like how the email addresses of my accounts are rightfold+se@gmail.com and rightfold+se2@gmail.com. They resolve to the same inbox.
 
10:23 AM
wtf potato is lobster?
this is too complicated
 
@Morwenn Do you have github?
 
@DonLarynx I do.
 
@Morwenn What's your github?
 
10:32 AM
@orlp Rely reminds me of this.
But yours guys have more subtle arrangements.
 
that's numberwang
 
@elyse You got me. I hadn't time to read this time :(
 
user1804599
Good.
 
user1804599
It would be very embarrassing.
 
Haha, as if half of what you post here wasn't :D
 
user1804599
10:35 AM
:[
 
user1804599
> morwenn29@hotmail.fr
 
user1804599
> hotmail
 
user1804599
-1
 
Well, you can change hotmail by gmail or orange and you'll still find me.
But I never felt the need to abandon the old hotmail.
 
user1804599
OMG
 
user1804599
10:38 AM
hotmale
 
I still have my ancient hotmail
oh hey
in VS2015 you can actually auto-rename C++ types.
that's new
 
10:55 AM
 
yay
I thought I had run a spellchecker over it
 
oh hey
your sort is highly suboptimal in C++03, by the way.
 
@Puppy how come?
 
you can swap the elements directly (e.g. std::string::swap()) instead of copying them.
which is effectively move semantics in C++03 for all types that support a direct swap.
 
@Puppy which portions are you talking about? because I use both swaps and moves
 
10:58 AM
well I'm looking at the bit right after the typo with partial_insertion_sort
you copy the value of *sift into a local, and then copy that value back into *sift after changing sift a bit.
 
only the insertion sorts uses moves
 
which is gonna involve a bunch of copies instead of swap
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ ?
 
better to store a copy of the iterator and then swap *sift and *ittmp I think
 
10:59 AM
@Puppy maybe I'll have to code it twice then, once for C++03 and once for C++11
 
@orlp I think you can change the code to work for both modes without too much effort.
 
@Puppy although the swap is way worse for types NOT supporting a simple swap
 
@orlp Do you also have sort4, sort5, sort6, ...?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ no
 
not really sure how the swap can be worse.
 
11:00 AM
@Puppy a swap is 3 moves/copies
 
the code you have now effectively implements swap, it's just that the two operations are separated a bit by some other unrelated stuff.
 
@Puppy no it doesn't
repeatedly swapping is 3 times slower than moving
well, in this case 1.5 times
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ the sort3 routine is for the pivot selection, by the way
 
personally I don't see why anybody would care about eliminating move operations, which are basically free.
but on a more useful note, in C++03 you don't have moves so it doesn't matter if swapping is a little slower than moving ;p
 
@Puppy in C++03 it would be n additional copies
for types without a cheap swap
default swap is 3 copies
 
but you only have two.
 
11:03 AM
exactly
 
curious that you don't retain the previous value of *sift?
 
@orlp I think that you can make it variadic
 
how exactly does the sort routine work if *sift isn't retained?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ in C++03?
 
I know I know, YAGNI
 
11:03 AM
you're wiping out the previous value
 
@orlp Nope C++ >= 11
 
@Puppy which line?
 
121
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ yes, my code works in both
 
Move to C++11 only v0v
 
11:04 AM
@Puppy that location has been moved from in line 118
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ this is for the C++ standard library silly
 
which pretty much seems to have the same problem, since you're continually overwriting the existing value without storing it anywhere.
 
@Puppy no, sift_1 is always equal to sift - 1
 
I like this codegolf
 
ok, let me rephrase that.
 
11:07 AM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ there's a good chance pdqsort will become the algorithm behind std::sort in libc++ and libstdc++
 
the only copy of std::swap that you're eliding is where the original value is stored back into the second argument... but if you are not overwriting the existing value without storing it anywhere, then you must be performing the same number of copies as std::swap.
 
I know I'm not being realistic, but fuck C++03 tbh
 
@Puppy moving n elements one index takes n-1 swaps
@Puppy which is 3n-3 copies
@Puppy with my method every element gets copied into the temporary once, and then once into their final position = ~2n copies
 
11:10 AM
right, but there is an existing element at their final position, which you must copy out somewhere or it will be permanently deleted.
 
@Puppy there is an existing element at the INITIAL position
that element is moved into the temporary
 
the range is full of elements, there is an existing element at every position
 
then repeatedly the element before the current element gets moved into moved out position
 
you know, the elements you're supposed to be sorting?
 
maybe I can make a visual
@Puppy oh forgive me
I got confused
repeatedly swapping is 3n-3 moves
my method is n moves
not 2n
 
11:16 AM
ok wait never mind, I think I've gotten it
it's just exceedingly hard to read.
 
 
That's insertion sort :3
 
but speedy swaps are still way better than copies, even if you have to perform many such swaps
 
@Puppy the reason it's written that way is to prevent repeated calculation of sift - 1
@Puppy yes, but it's literally 3 times as slow when there is no fast swap
 
so I figure then in order to maintain maximum performance in all cases you would have to try to detect member swap and use that if available.
 
11:18 AM
Is there a figurative version of "it's 3 times as slow"?
 
Too bad the detection toolkit only comes in C++17, it would have made the whole thing trivial.
 
@Morwenn detection toolkit?
 
@Puppy I'm not even sure if std::sort is allowed to call member swap
although I guess you can detect member swap and then call using std::swap; swap(a, b);
 
@orlp Certainly can do at least for Standard types under the as-if rule.
UDTs, possibly not
 
11:21 AM
@orlp That would be assuming that there is an ADL swap together with the member one.
@Puppy I guess that they expect people to at least correctly implement their swap method when there is one?
Ok, std::sort requires the stuff to be ValueSwappable, which means that it allows user-defined ADL swaps.
 
@Puppy at that point I think you're better off customizing std::sort for strings anyway
 
Standard does not require anything in particular of member swap.
 
like a radix sort or smt
 
no guarantee that a radix sort would actually be faster
 
Boost asserts that its spreadsort is faster when there are many values.
 
11:25 AM
@Morwenn Can't you write your own version of that in C++11 anyway?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ In C++11 you can, but if I'm not mistaken, it relies on expression SFINAE, so you can't backport it to C++03.
 
Nobody cares about C++03
except maybe orlp
 
and people who have to maintain important libraries like libstdc++ and libc++
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Implementers care.
 
they fake it
 
11:28 AM
Bottom line: for std::swap, you can use ADL-found swap for user-defined types, but you can't use a member swap method alone.
 
Well, you can never use the member swap if you want truly generic types.
That would not work on primitive types.
 
What I mean is that even if you detect that the type has a member swap function, std::sort is not allowed to use it.
 
Also you can let the user specialize std::swap if they want to
 
fuck
I'm in a polar orbit instead of an equatorial orbit.
@Morwenn You can still use Standard-defined ones.
 
@Morwenn Is this something written in the Standard? Because I don't see any reason that would not work in practice
 
11:34 AM
@Puppy Through unqualified ADL swap, right?
 
no, you could just use them directly.
their semantics are well-defined and calling member swap would be completely covered under as-if rule.
 
unqualified ADL swap on standard defined types is basically std::swap
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ It's among the requirements of ValueSwappable, which iterators passed to std::sort are required to satisfy.
 
@Morwenn What is?
 
@Puppy True. I forgot that you can use the as-if rule for many things as long as you control your standard library.
 
11:36 AM
@Morwenn You don't need to control it for this one, as the semantics of member swap for Standard types is required by Standard.
 
Yes, but what is the subject? What's "it" in there?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ The fact that you have to consider namespace-level swap but can't consider member swap even if it exists.
 
Oh yeah, thank god.
 
(Unless you can guarantee the semantics, then it falls under the things allowed by the as-if rule as mentioned by @Puppy)
 
11:40 AM
I wouldn't want the standard library to assume that a member function swap is something special only dedicated to swapping the two values.
I could use the name swap with different semantic.
 
yep.
 
What he meant is that member swap methods' semantics are defined for standard library types, so you can use those. There is no guarantee for user-defined types.
 
you could, but std::string cannot.
 
I'm hungry. See you later.
 
Eating an icecream
get jelly
 
user1804599
11:48 AM
no
 
Who would ever eat from the part of the biscuit first?
 
I feel like ice cream now
I bought a bucket box of it, but it's too late to have ice cream
 
The chocolate part is so unstable
@chmod711telkitty It's never too late
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ a moron
 
user1804599
11:50 AM
I don't like ice cream that looks like a 3D model anyway.
 
Every icecream looks like a 3D model, hth
 
12:12 PM
oh fuck
you have to be engineer 1 to repack chutes now?
well that's gonna make life tough
 
I like how GH congratulates me for having no unread notifications
 
user1804599
12:42 PM
my fast inserters are too slow
 
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