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16:01
@sehe is your entire pc solid state?
@sehe By how much?
@Ell That sounds so expensive and so good.
@elyse semper fidelis you traitor
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I want to make an entirely solid state pc
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It's really just coolint that is the issue if I want a micro itx case
16:03
@MarcoA. Brand loyalty isn't really the smartest thing to do.
Also Gameworks™.
just get some from your belly button and put it in the freezer
@Nooble to me it makes sense, but I'm not really impartial
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@puppy lol
@Ell Liquid Cool your CPU, and the setup the radiator in a push configuration (hot air goes out).
that's not solid state, there's a bunch of moving parts in the radiator and the liquid.
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16:06
there are solid state pumps? :P
That is impressive
Oh I thought you meant only drives.
But passive CPU coolers are gigantic.
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I mean the whole thing
@Ell Pretty much all cooling involves moving parts, since just cooling by radiation is terrifically slow.
And how on earth are you going to find a passively cooled GPU?
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I think you can get passive CPU coolers but they require at least airflow in the case
16:07
@Nooble they exist, but theyre generally really low end ones
used in netbooks mostly (afaik)
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I was wondering if you could use a Peltier cell or something to cool a CPU
@Ell You can.
But don't you know how peltier coolers work?
One side gets extremely cold, and the other side gets really hot.
You'll still need to get rid of heat.
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Right but it doesbt matter that the hot side gets hot
You can radiate it away slowly
As long as the CPU side stays cool
I guess eventually it will just melt :L
@Ell If the other side gets hot enough, the whole TEC loses efficiency.
But yes that is generally what people do, sandwich the peltier with a CPU on the cool side and a heatsink on the other.
It's not really a conventional setup though.
16:12
oh fuck
it appears that my stranded ship is going to crash into Kerbin.
so it did make it home :)
@Puppy Oh no D:
@melak47 Hehe.
@melak47 In pieces.
and I already launched a rescue mission that now won't be able to rescue it ;p
so strand the rescue mission, use your knowledge from the asteroid mission to intercept the previously standed ship
never did the asteroid mission
16:15
oh. well basically, add a grabber.
I have no idea how to get a proper intercept though
@Ell Also condensation is another problem. If your CPU gets cooler than ambient, little water droplets start forming around your CPU, which is a problem with liquid nitrogen cooling, and also peltiers.
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Hmm yeah
You'd have to use some sort of clay to protect your motherboard or monitor the temperature difference inside your PC and such.
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maybe I could use the whole case as a heatsife
Simk
16:18
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Case/heatsink combo
Notice the foam.
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Yeah
@Ell I don't know how much heat transfer your case will be capable of, but I doubt it'll be much.
Over 1.1M viewers for cs right now, that's a record right ? #ESLOne
@AlexM. you watching?
16:19
yes
You'd have to do this with your GPU too, or get a passively cooled one (I think there are 750Tis like that).
@AlexM. is it any good?
yes
but only if you follow the scene
otherwise it's just nice frags
there are cases built for that purpose
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@nooble but a case with heatpipes throughout it would be much better, a specifically designed case I mean
16:21
@melak47 is it me or that looks silly =/
take a look at this one then.
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Its too big. I want micro itx
google images says those things exist, too
resharper doesn't understand inline namespaces. nice.
heh
want to list my drumkit on ebay to sell, only allows 4 pics though. :(
@Ell Ah I see.
Ooh also don't forget PSU.
+
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16:32
Yeah
And optical drive :P
That one probably doesn't exist
@Borgleader it's the final starting in a bit twitch.tv/esl_csgo
if you want to watch
it's EnVyUs vs Fnatic and it's somewhat of a 50:50 split as to who will win
most likely going to be a great game to watch
ImSoCoOlLoL
FaZe
@Marco Jekyll can't do comments nor forum, since it's meant for static content. When I had comments I used Disqus which is essentially externally hosted comments and you just put a JS interface to them on your page.
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks, I kinda figured that out. What if I needed a forum? I suppose Disqus can't work for that, right?
@Ell yup. I do have a HDD too, but it is "always" powered down
@Nooble 7,1
16:43
I was looking into Discourse but it seems Jekyll-Discourse is still in its infancy
some people managed to get it working though
@Nooble huh. that's the easy part
@sehe So you have a gigantic passive heatsink?
@Nooble the foam forms around the mouth and is benign
@Nooble yesh
lol a guy downvoted my 125 votes answer on codegolf yesterday
@Nooble not even so much for the nvidia card, but the CPU, yes of course. It's a decent one (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz)
16:46
when I see an answer with more than 30 upvotes I don't downvote by default and start thinking hard if there's nothing wrong with me
@sehe That was my CPU before I upgraded to an i7-5820K.
rich dude
std::list is just the STL implementation of a linked list, right?
@sehe I saved up the entire school year for a compatible motherboard and 16GB of DDR4 RAM.
@MarcoA. Dicksource you mean?
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16:51
@nooB you got that with a single year of saving?
@Nooble Thought about that one, but it only has 28 PCIe lanes, had to go for the 5960x with 40 lanes to support the multiple GPUs.
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You must spend a lot usually
@Ell I need to buy lunch sometimes too.
depends on what your working conditions are of course
It was around 400 + 220 + 200. So yeah around $800.
16:54
Need to buy a new motherboard to with 8 DDR4 slots, but I already know it would take me a month to do the actual replacement if I went for it. #lazy
why do you need 8 DDR4 slots =/
do you have 2000 tabs in chrome?
@Borgleader You mean 2.
I have 4 DDR3 slots, each with 8GB DIMM in it.
@RadAway I don't know why you need that.
8 sticks of 8 GB, 64 GB, max allowed. My usual work is pretty data intense. Right now, I am using about 23 GB right now. (image/visual data, engine running, Zbrush, 3ds max, all 64-bit, all eating memory)
16:55
@AlexM. I did, because I don't like your avatar and didn't understand your answer
(no I didn't, I'm joking)
@Puppy I have 8x2. This way, I can upgrade to 32GB when I want to.
@AlexM. link?
@RadAway Zbrush looks really cool, and id consider buying if it wasnt 800$ :(
Also, Windows 10 has a stupid Superfetch memory leak in the kernel, System is getting fat
@Borgleader Zbrush 4R7 with ZModeler is fantastic!
16:58
@RadAway I keep reading about it in 3D World magazine, they do such cool things with ZBrush + Substance Painter. But alas, its too much money for me to spend on, considering my (very) limited skill set.
Theoretically, with the 4 channels that the memory controller supports on the 5960X, on the system side, it matches Xbox One's bandwidth.
I'll stick with Blender's sculpt mode for the time being.
Substance has been getting quite popular, I was a bit on on the Quixel side until they pretty much fell under.
Yeah Quixel stuff seemed cool too but, if I had to choose I think I'd go with Substance
Was looking forward to Quixel MegaScans, but they had some personal tragedies and basically derailed the entire project. Substance tools will probably do the same thing before them.
17:00
@RadAway personal tragedies?
@AlexM. heh
i joined codegolf just to upboat you
@Borgleader Two deaths, the main engineer's family or something...
oh... wow, that's awful
It's sad, but you have to pull your life together. Pretty much has something to life for. And the community has been a bit anxious, so they've been acting a bit like entitled pricks. Not sure where I stand there.
@RadAway Thought about the 5960X, but it didn't have enough cores. Had to go for a dual-CPU setup with e5-2699 v3s.
17:03
Why would you need more cores?
They need to be actively used, and beyond Vray and a few video editing tools, pretty much massively underutilized, unless you're making a server blade.
PCIe lanes are used passively, you just need hardware. Each GPU supporting PCIe uses 16 lanes optimally. At two GPUs you're already at 32 used up. At 4, you need 64. With switches, it's a bit better when you have only 40. But cannot help with 28.
On the GTX 980 system, a 3770K was sufficient.
@RadAway I was only kidding. The E5-2699v3 costs like $4000.
But it has its uses.
Mainly in video rendering.
Too bad it can't really be overclocked.
The Mac Pro comes with some Xeons, not sure which ones. The tubular one is silly and expensive.
@RadAway s/The tubular one/Macs/
@RadAway Meh Apple products.
No use in buying Xeons really. Unless you absolutely need its features (mainly applicable to servers).
Yeah, I have no problems with expensive shit, as long as it is justified. I don't know how Apple calculates their prices. What we need is another designer electronics company to give Apple some competition at lower prices.
17:11
cough Razer cough
oh wait, theyre just as expensive
#BigLaptopsAreBeautifulToo
Man, that's fat!
I got spoiled with the Surface Pro 3. I swear, if Apple came up with the Surface Pros, the world would be shitting itself. So sad. It is a bit expensive, though.
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Yeah why doesn't apple have a competitor? :S
@Ell What does Apple offer?
17:13
They'd probably sue the shit out of them.
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Dell I guess
@Ell Because they sue their competition to oblivion
The Dell XPS13 is beautiful.
@Nooble That's pretty.
They already forced Samsung to pay them 1 billion in damages, imagine what they'd do to someone smaller. They've got the budget to shit all over half the US. And still have some cash for hookers and cocaine.
17:15
@Mysticial Looks like a $5000+ system to me.
@Nooble someone more patient than me did the wiring
I really never could give a shit about the wiring. I tried to give a shit, but it was beyond me.
@Borgleader Cable management is easy.
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IP is terrible
I don't really upgrade machines, at the rate I upgrade, I just buy a whole other machine or the equivalent of it.
By the time I get a new CPU, I need a new motherboard and new RAM.
17:16
And there is some fantastic advance in storage speeds. Only the GPU is always up to date.
Yeah I think Dell is a competitor.
@Nooble Which one is that?
oh
it's in the image name
Razer Blades look really good, in fact it's my favorite looking laptop. But never will I pay 3 grand for one
17:18
@Nooble please use the upload button
it's there to the right
Nvidia needs competition, serious competition.
@AlexM. What's the problem?
the image loaded for around a minute
loading from imgur's servers is quicker
@RadAway Yeah but the only company that could is Intel and I doubt they will after Larrabee
Well, Intel is not good at GPUs. They actually bought off their GPU tech and it wasn't something specially good.
17:20
@RadAway AMD can do it.
One day...
@AlexM. Ah ok.
AMD can, but AMD is... I don't know what have they been thinking these past few years. They're getting back on track with the newest GPUs.
@Nooble actally they cant thats why their market share is 20% :P
@Borgleader AMD gains 70% performance with DX12.
Someone new needs to be on the scene. Nvidia and I basically share a birthday. It's not too late.
@Borgleader I can only hope.
17:21
@Puppy What tells you that by the time DX12 actually becomes relevant Nvidia wont as well?
AMD is definitely getting back on track.
@Borgleader Because it's in the fundamental architecture of the cards they're using.
also, I'm not discussing a hypothetical future card with a new arch, I mean, existing cards.
@Borgleader Nvidia also goes 30-70%, Maxwell 2.0 is 12.1 feature complete.
17:22
nVidia can't go back and magically make their existing cards work in a completely new way.
They just fucked up the drivers, is all.
Half of AMD's DX12 hardware barely goes 11.1 on the Feature Levels. Only the newest ones are 12.0 and 12.1
the feature level itself doesn't really matter, even if the card effectively only offers DX11 features at a 70% improved rate that's still a massive bonus.
@Puppy they can produce new ones : P
Also Zen CPUs.
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I am looking forward to Zen CPUs
17:27
Please AMD
It. Was. A. Driver. Mishap.
They are on par, the test was done poorly and out of turn.
@RadAway [Citations needed]
what exactly about the test was done poorly and out of turn?
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@borg why is Intel the only possible competitor?
What about if qualcomm or arm etc. Move into desktop market?
AMD had to dump their entire VLIW architecture of the TerraScale and start from scratch. Only the GCN GPUs were even capable of DirectX 12. These new GCN entries are competition for the Maxwell architecture. Nvidia's architecture is so advanced, their Fermi and Kepler devices also support DirectX 12 (up to a degree), all the way back to GTX 480.

All the work done between has shown Nvidia to have an upper hand. AMD didn't even have drivers for an entire year. Someone at Nvidia messed up the drivers that were current on the one. I mean, seriously, do you really believe Nvidia's hardware actu
AMD has been butthurt over DirectX 12 pushing out Mantle, Nvidia has been the driving IHV force behind DX 12.
17:32
@RadAway None of that stuff relates to how the test was actually done.
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I don't think AMD has been butthurt
The test was done on half-assed early access software.
And on a poor mismatch of drivers.
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I think vulkan will replace dx12 eventually
It won't.
Windows 10 is in release now.
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17:33
vulkan was pretty much written by the major game engine writers
the time for half-assed early access drivers is when you can only get half-assed early access copies of games and operating systems that run DX12.
Windows 10 is not in a classical release. It is constantly being reworked, DirectX 12 bugs are being worked on as we speak.
if nVidia still has a half-assed early access driver, that's their fucking fault.
DX12 was released a month ago.
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Microusb is such a bad connector :(
I'm not bringing down AMD. It is good they got their shit together. But the test should've raised a red flag the moment Nvidia hardware retarded performance under DX12.
Let me run an internal Intel sample for you right now on a GTX 980.
17:35
@Ell Haha for your phone I assume?
well
Yeah it's a bit weird.
I could do that
but I won't because I simply don't care.
I own a production copy of Windows 10 right now, I can buy a DX12 game right now, and it does not matter in the slightest as to the outcome of that test what hypothetical future gains nVidia may make.
It's not a future gain. :/
It was a temporary fuck up, that has been corrected.
if I can't download it, it's in the future.
and for the record
I happen to own an nVidia card bought recently so I would greatly love it if they got their shit together
but right now I can hardly even play Starcraft 2 because their driver keeps crashing on Win10.
so as far as I can tell, their driver is totally fucked and I only care about fixes or performance improvements that actually run on my computer.
it doesn't matter in the slightest about performance improvements on internal Intel samples, since I can't use them.
I'm not gonna buy an nVidia card because Intel have it running swell.
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17:38
@nooble yeah
in fact, I'd really rather they didn't have internal beta drivers that are way faster for DX12, since that implies that they have people who are not working on the fact that it doesn't work for DX11 under Windows 10.
@Ell They could but mobile/arm space is very different, it makes the shift less likely.
imo anyway
DX11 stability has been an issue for months, I grant that. During development, we had to swap drivers to actually use digital content creation tools under DX11 and OGL.
But the latest one has been working pretty well for me ( the public one, 353.82)
on which one are you?
let me have a look
oh also, as a side note, if you could tell them to kindly fuck off with this geforce experience shit, I'd appreciate it, it really gets in the way a lot
I have 353.62 and nVidia says that I am up to date.
Wat.
17:41
just disable all the geforce experience services
Get the newest one directly from the page
353.82
The latest one is 23.8.2015 :/
wait, no, that's my update today. but 353.82 is latest.
I checked for updates nearly every day since sc2 is so broken
that's what you get for being an early adopter
17:44
> 1>LINK : fatal error LNK1000: Internal error during IMAGE::EmitRelocations
oh wtf
I'm still running XP and I'm very happy with it!
@ʞɔᴉN and very secure too
nVidia's website wants me to download 355.60
353.82.
That's even better then.
17:44
what does hardware acceleration actually mean in the context of UI? I mean GPU isn't really well suited for drawing vector graphics like circles, lines, rectangles or text (especially with antialiasing) so I believe view drawing is done on CPU anyway. So what exactly is accelerated?
@mrpyo It's done on the GPU. Also, vector graphics are cached in any smart UI system for the DPI and resolution you have.
oh hey
their release notes says no bugs fixed in 355.60
" Just in time for the preview of Ashes of the Singularity, this new GeForce Game Ready driver ensures you'll have the best possible gaming experience. This driver also supports the Beta version of the GameWorks VR software development kit (SDK). As a result, users will be able to enjoy the benefits of GameWorks VR with supporting applications and headsets for the first time."
The test they ran
Facepalm, someone got fired.
Figures why I didn't have any performance issues.
God, what an embarrassment.
who got fired?
The schmucks who did the driver specifically for the Ashes of the Singularity (using the DX12 engine from Oxide Games, Arstechnica article)
that's why I am not seeing issues, my old driver is working perfectly ahahah
Man, if I saw that article and had to go to work in the morning, I'd have pucker factor 12.
17:49
I dunno
I'm not sure I'd fire anyone over it, if I was confident that the results weren't going to be the long-term story.
I'd just be like, "Well then finish the real version quicklike and get some new benchmarks out there"
Yeah, in the end is pretty good. I am glad AMD is basking in some glory in this temporary mess.
I am just curious how can someone manage to retard performance under DX 12. That's an achievement. Needs a paper at SIGGRAPH.
I could probably do it
VS2015, why you no recognize new Target Platform Versions :(
@RadAway Well to be honest, I was kinda hoping it was real because nVidia have been on top for too long.
much like Intel really.
whatup all
17:54
The thing is, AMD usually has more raw horse power. And now they got the architecture right. And they're still barely 18% of the market.
Each of their flagship GPUs usually has 1000 to 2000 more cores. Fury X is at 4096 or something. Titan X is at 3072. I like the X jab at Titan.
they're not very efficient, but then again that's not really a huge factor for people who buy performance cards
Not to mention HBM and the 4096-bit memory interface. But as with software, better doesn't guarantee popularity.
AMD is the muscle car. I never minded the noise or the power consumption, as long as it roars and delivers.
Nvidia is more like an Audi. Quiet, and shit.
I went with nvidia because I wanted good driver support on windows and linux
esp linux
although nvidia's linux support is rather meh, I've been having problems with it
Nvidia are assholes when it comes to drivers. Their Linux drivers are still closed source
and they won't let us take a peek to develop drivers in other places they don't support
Intel, on the other side, published all of their stuff. But then again, Intel bought some GPU company for their purposes, so it's not really their pride or their primary concern.
also I like Audi :(
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17:58
I'm reading about vulkan and I'm excited to try it
I'm also really excited about low-level APIs that I'll never use
Why don't you try DirectX 12 in the meantime? It'll get you in the mindset.
Also, they are ass-holes when it comes to OpenCL support. For example, sqrt inside a kernel maps to the approximate sqrt rather then the accurate sqrt in CUDA - the OpenCL accurate square root flag maps it to something that is better but still not the same value as you get from within CUDA.
In the meantime, Apple is still OpenGL 4.1.

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