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7:00 AM
Dark silicon is a term used in the electronics industry. In the nano-era, transistor scaling and voltage scaling are no longer in line with each other, resulting in the failure of Dennard scaling. This discontinuation of Dennard scaling has led to sharp increases in power densities that hamper powering-on all the transistors simultaneously at the nominal voltage, while keeping the chip temperature in the safe operating range. "Dark Silicon" refers to the amount of silicon that cannot be powered-on at the nominal operating voltage for a given thermal design power (TDP) constraint. According to recent...
^^ Interesting. > 50% dark silicon
 
@Mysticial Do you do AMD-specific stuff?
 
Yeah
 
~HSA~?
 
7:02 AM
Oh that thing.
Never one that.
I'm mostly a GPU person.
 
Anyway, when discussing CPU vs GPU, it seems that x86 non-HT core roughly corresponds to a warp scheduler, so it makes sense to compare those numbers. Not x86 core count vs shader ALUs.
 
So AMD has this nice image where the Task Parallelism (IO on one thread, network on another?) is done of the CPU and Data parallel ( FMA...) is done on the GPU. But how this AMD's scheme different from Intel's SIMD...

http://amd-dev.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wordpress/media/2012/10/HSAAcceleratedProcessingUnit.png
 
SIMD on the GPU is wider than SIMD on the CPU
 
@BenVoigt Maybye GFLOPs, or how cufft does 12x faster compared to fftw...
 
@Mikhail It's a hotter tech. ;)
 
7:08 AM
So why the heck don't we have a massive 10 megabyte SIMD unit, like Seymour Cray would have wanted...
 
Different programming/computing model.
 
Well one model does 12x faster than the other model?
 
@Mikhail I meant as far as silicon allocation. You were complaining that Intel only fits 6 cores (2 schedulers, plus register map and ALUs) per die, and said nVidia fits thousands. But GeForce 980 actually has 64 (scheduler plus register map and ALUs) "cores", not ~2000, if I read the architecture diagram right.
each one controls a wider SIMD capability than an Intel ALU has, but runs at a slower clock rate. In the end having 12:1 GFLOPs ratio (per chip, about 1:1 per core) seems very believable.
 
Ahh, I see. Now how do we fix Intel chips so that they go 12x faster? Do we just need to make them bigger, apparently we can't add more cores or else it will catch on fire.
 
@Mikhail Go down the picometer level.
 
7:18 AM
How to make an Intel chip go 12x faster?
- If you clock it 12x faster, it catches on fire.
- If you squeeze in 12x the cores it catches on fire, but not as quickly.
- If you make the SIMD 12x wider, it will catch on fire only if you use it.
 
AMD: Catching Fire
 
@Mysticial Can't we make the chip 12x bigger?
 
cool it?
 
Well, the Geforce 980 chip is about double the area (and maybe triple the power consumption) of a current-gen Core i7
 
@JohanLarsson The problem still is power consumption (cosumers already set expect lower consumption).
 
7:20 AM
@Mikhail The power consumption will be 12x higher and it will catch on fire.
 
So we can start with bringing the Intel up to that size
 
@BenVoigt The Haswell-E line is pretty fat and juicy.
 
Then we can stop wasting half the Intel area on iGPU
 
@MarkGarcia yea
 
there was something I desperately needed to do on my computer this morning and I have no idea what it was
 
7:21 AM
I have a 5960X. 140W TDP. At 4 GHz it pulls 280W.
Without water cooling, it would catch on fire.
 
@Mysticial: Ah true, looks like Intel's already done exactly that. So use 10-18 cores (before hyperthreading) as the baseline
 
@BenVoigt The newer iGPUs are fairly meaty. I would have liked an iGPU when my previous discrete card died.
 
@BenVoigt Yeah, their server line consists of 8-core, 12-core and 18-core dies. Haswell-E desktop is the 8-core line with up to 2 cores disabled. The rest are the multi-socket servers also with pairs of cores disabled when necessary.
 
@Puppy: Indeed. But the discussion is how to get the maximum x86 performance crammed into an Intel socket, not what's best mainstream
 
12x cores will make it 12x faster?
 
7:24 AM
@JohanLarsson No, but it will catch on fire 12x faster.
 
@JohanLarsson: Given the right workload, yes.
 
@BenVoigt I have no problem with iGPUs (in fact I like how they're going with Iris). I would that they have an option across the board that have the tini-tiniest GPU practical.
 
@BenVoigt but if you give it the perfect workload but let the average programmer write the code?
 
@Mysticial Their server lines generally have lower clocks though.
 
Well, with the dark silicon trend, you can use a SKU with the iGPU disabled and fire up the x86 cores still meeting TDP envelope.
Xeons do that
 
7:26 AM
Some.
 
@JohanLarsson: There are workloads that even an average programmer can make scalable. They're called "embarassingly parallel"
 
@MarkGarcia Yeah I know. My 5960X @ 4 GHz beats out a 20-core Haswell-EP @ 2.3 GHz under an AVX load due to throttling.
 
@BenVoigt Or calls to OpenGL functions, etc
@Mysticial So I bought that 12 core system so we should maybe benchmark it :-)
 
oh...
Run the 1b and 10b benchmarks for my pi program. See if you can beat 74 and 976 seconds.
 
I'll try to get back to you on that, right now I'm getting the thing ready for some 3d imaging work. OpenCV takes ages to compile
 
7:30 AM
ah yes
re-buy my phone contract
 
@Mysticial Why doesn't that scale well? (should be near 740 seconds)
 
@MarkGarcia Computing Pi to N digits runs in O(N log(N)^3) time.
 
oh
lol, my brother bought components for his build. No stock cooler for CPU. It must suck having to wait while all the other components are there.
 
No stock cooler? Is this socket 2011-3?
 
He's building a cheap LGA 1155 (Sandy Bridge I think) system.
 
7:37 AM
I have like 3 or 4 stock coolers for LGA115X sitting at home.
It's kinda dumb.
 
I honestly don't know why it doesn't have a stock cooler.
 
Maybe dumb question, but why do CPU temperatures max out at 100˚C, not just a little more? Then they could boil water. Wouldn't that make for more effective cooling?
 
@Potatoswatter I thought about that as well.
They max it out at 100C, but that's only the safety trigger that shuts them down or throttles.
If you sustained a chip above 85C-ish 24/7 for a long time, it'll still burn out.
 
Yeah. Well, it's a thermal diode, which isn't likely very accurate.
 
The 100C is sort of an arbitrary limit to protect against "spikes".
 
7:40 AM
@Potatoswatter I guess you don't want to have pipes of running water and steam to and from your computer, or a huge closed-loop water cooler with a condenser.
 
And the designed maximum temperature is based on the statistics of wear and tear.
 
Black's Equation is a mathematical model for the mean time to failure (MTTF) of a semiconductor circuit due to electromigration: a phenomenon of molecular rearrangement (movement) in the solid phase caused by an electromagnetic field. The equation is: is a constant is the current density is a model parameter is the activation energy in eV (electron volts) is Boltzmann constant is the absolute temperature in K The model is abstract, not based on a specific physical model, but flexibly describes the failure rate dependence on the temperature, the electrical stress, and the specific technology and...
Temperature is in the exponent.
 
@MarkGarcia Well, steam is corrosive, but at the scale of a computer you could just pay a little extra for corrosion-resistant pipes going to the condenser.
 
You could design a chip to run 100C but it wouldn't be the same chip that ran at 0c
 
Either way, cooling isn't the real problem. The real problem is that running a 1000W computer for a month gives me a fat power bill.
 
7:44 AM
idk, people run multiple GPU systems and don't care
 
@Mikhail They have money.
 
fuck people even pay for comacast
 
what is it that consumes energy in the cpu?
 
@Mysticial It's in the denominator of the exponent. That's not really intuitive…
 
@Potatoswatter The equation is for lifetime. So lower is worse.
 
7:48 AM
Central processing unit power dissipation or CPU power dissipation is the process in which central processing units (CPUs) consume electrical energy, and dissipate this energy both by the action of the switching devices contained in the CPU (such as transistors or vacuum tubes) and by the energy lost in the form of heat due to the impedance of the electronic circuits. == Power management == Designing CPUs that perform tasks efficiently without overheating is a major consideration of nearly all CPU manufacturers to date. Some CPU implementations use very little power; for example, the CPU...
 
@Mysticial Yes, but it's not an "exponential relationship."
 
@MarkGarcia nice link ty
 
How it not an exponential relationship? The lifetime of the chip is inversely proportional to e^T.
Assuming everything else is constant.
 
When I designed logic circuits at an internship, basically the design checking software would tell you that the wires are too close together and you need to move them further apart to combat EM.
@Mysticial t ∝ e^(1/T)
 
Oh fuck you're right.
I got it confused with the sign flip.
 
For science, I took the 31 distributions with the most packages and compared the number of packages against their rank on DistroWatch for the last year. Only a third of those even appeared in DistroWatch's top 30 something, and the correlation is just off: i.stack.imgur.com/LzSRm.pngslhck ♦ May 19 '13 at 14:30
Super User does science
 
Ell
8:15 AM
I died last night
 
I wish I was dead this morning.
 
Ell
I am dead this morning also
 
I pray to the god of paracetamol that I may be resurrected.
 
Ell
Does paracetamol help hangovers¿
 
8:31 AM
This morning I was shopping for some seafood at the market, this old man kept on touching me from behind. At first I just stared at him and walked away. But he kept on following me. I got a bit mad so I walked towards him with this deadly stare. He went away & never came back.
 
sounds like he got off easy
 
My god
Work is ridiculous
9 to 6, 9:30 to 10:30
 
I could do something more extreme, but then he's probably a poor man who could not find a girlfriend or afford prostitutes
 
@chmod711telkitty So he settles for a mutant offspring of a telephone pole and a kitty with ownership privilages?
Next there'll be people stalking polar bears or puppies.
 
no fold expressions
uh
 
8:34 AM
nofold
 
@Potatoswatter Oh they do have this?
 
I'm trying to catch a mosquito with my small drone but I ran out of battery and the fucker is still around
 
@MarcoA. send in the swat team
 
You could not tell that I am armed (with crazy ideas) and highly dangerous from my face or body :p My innocence is skin deep >_<
 
8:37 AM
"Magic statics" sound magical
 
@TonyTheLion So magical they persist across time
 
I am probably going to die from a heart attack for eating too much seafood ...
 
Got excited for Cat Mechanic Simulator for a while
 
8:40 AM
i don't think i've seen that type of fish before
@chmod711telkitty nonsense
 
What type of fish is that?
@rightfold wb
 
"Fish"
 
@CatPlusPlus what
 
@VermillionAzure trout (large) barramundi(small), clams, prawns/shrimp & salmon
 
8:41 AM
Fish don't need types, they're all terrible
 
@chmod711telkitty You really, REALLY need to try yellowfin tuna
 
weird cat doesn't like fish ~_~
 
It's world famous
 
Ell
What cat doesn't like fish?
 
you also need to try eel
 
8:42 AM
This fucking cat
 
dude you need to try sashimi
 
I saw eel today but it's hard to cook
 
and nigiri
and all the wonderful freaking japanese seafood
 
Xeo
Cat likes Sushi
 
user1804599
MGSV y u September.
 
8:43 AM
@chmod711telkitty Dude. You need to try three fish before you die:
1) Ahi/maguro/yellowfin tuna
2) Unagi/eel with the proper juicy, savory sauce
and 3) Butterfish
 
Buttfish
 
I am going to a Japanese seafood restaurant to eat some sashimi in an hours time with some friends, 6pm one is booked out so we are going for the 8pm seating ...
 
@chmod711telkitty Dude
 
I think I finally figured out semi-elegant design for this MUD thingy
 
Order the red tuna
Order maguro and unagi
 
8:44 AM
Order new world order
 
@CatPlusPlus It's like you don't even sushi mannn
 
I think I need to be on a diet
 
@chmod711telkitty Salmon is supposed to be extremely good for you
 
Sushi's good in spite of fish not because of it
 
@CatPlusPlus no.
Just no. That's like saying pizza is good in spite of its toppings
 
8:45 AM
@VermillionAzure it's her fault when that happens!
 
Pizza is good because of EVERYTHING
 
that or hiking some 300km in a fortnight
 
@sehe I know right
Kitties, polar bears, and puppies should always dress sensitively and conservatively
"They're just asking for it!!!111!!
@chmod711telkitty No but seriously.
 
My aunty just told me to lose weight ... my mum said that my aunty has no butt because she's too skinny.
3
 
8:47 AM
Get maguro and unagi
@chmod711telkitty well height/weight?
She must be quite light
 
165cm, have not weight myself lately but I go for medium in clothing
 
oh god metric
uhhhhh uhhhh having metric hardingtons right now
Oh wow
you're at a nice height
I'm 155
 
I'm 12
I haven't checked my height in like 6 years
 
When I was 12, I was under 100 pounds
 
ID says 176 but fuck knows if that's accurate
 
8:51 AM
@chmod711telkitty That's under 45kg btw
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus omg you're so small.
 
That's what she- wait
 
going to pick up a friend then join the rest in the city, laterz.
 
@chmod711telkitty alright
nite
@rightfold what are you then
220 and 200cm
 
8:55 AM
Not fish
 
user1804599
Fish is a pretty bad shell.
 
Xeo
I think I'm 190 still. Maybe a centimeter or two taller
 
Ell
I like fish
Ahh my head :'(
 
Xeo
You got wasted again, didn't you
 
@chmod711telkitty thanks for letting us know. Don't be late for supper
@VermillionAzure wat. When I was 12 I weighed ~40 kilograms AFAIR. I weighed 36 kg for the longest time - years.
@VermillionAzure I'd be surprised if the average was close to 100 pounds. Are you sure you're not looking at the US stats? They don't count
 
Ell
9:12 AM
@Xeo yes :(
accidentally this time
I didn't eat much
 
Impossible to get wasted accidentally
 
I accidentally
It accidentally
 
I accidentally watched this
 
Xeo
9:30 AM
Hm. I wish there was a way to indent multi-line raw string literals and have it ignore the indentation inside the string.
 
user1804599
There is: use Elixir.
 
Ell
10:02 AM
It takes a lot to make a stew
A pinch of salt and laughter, too
A scoop of kids to add the spice
A dash of love to make it nice
And youve got
Too many cooks
 
10:14 AM
Hmm.
My trousers' button broke.
Ffs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes big things require a big slot
 
I'm not fat.
 
I didn't mean that
 
Think I fixed it.
It'll probably break again as soon as I start cycling.
 
10:50 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes USB cable belt?
 
Hi guys!
Long time now see.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes dat bonus chemtrails
@GamesBrainiac Definitely. Hello.
 
@MarkGarcia How've you been?
 
Same as before (as indicated by me remaining in the lounge :)
 
11:05 AM
haha :P
I need some help with gdb, or rather I wish to understand how gdb works and how I can get information on registers.
 
Ell
Maybe I should go teetotal
 
So, when I do info stack on gdb, I think I just get the frames, like #0 in funca #1 in funcb
How do you see where your actual local variables are stored?
 
@Ell You need to consider all factors before making such a life-changing decision. Think about it carefully over a couple of beers.
 
Ell
Lol
 
@Ell TIL
 
Ell
11:10 AM
I never want to drink any alcohol again at the minute
 
> minute
 
ha! got it, its bt full that gives you all the local variables inside the stack as well
 
Family gathering. sigh
 
Family sighing, I gather
 
11:17 AM
> Joseph Stalin
Oh. Fox News. As ever.
@R.MartinhoFernandes WTH kind of character is that guy
> I actually know somebody who had a doctor cut a piece of her body right out of her. They said it was cancerous, but as we all know, cancer can be very easily cured with natural substances and homeopathy. But no, this evil doctor actually took a knife and cut the tumor right out of her body. How evil is that?
It's satire, no doubt
 
Xeo
> Dioxin
lol
 
even mercury
 
@sehe Yes.
> Microwaves were added to the water of concentration camps
 
Xeo
11:37 AM
Hm. I feel like my failure reporting could use some... improvements. My tests check that something throws for a specific reason, but if that something throws for another reason, that still counts as "passed".
 
testing's hard
 
@JohanLarsson They created a whole planet? If so, they did it wrong, it's in a poor orbit and it's too hot there to mine it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes have you had a chance yet to look at nonius? Or are you still stuck somewhere unable to get home :S
 
:(
 
Xeo
11:49 AM
Y'know, I'm not quite sure how I can improve this. :s It'd probably work with Catch's matchers, but those are documented... nowhere. And they're in some early dev state.
 
@Xeo you fail at failing. how much can you suck? :P
4
 
Xeo
:(
I'd need to check the what() message of the nested exception...
 
Ell
12:15 PM
If someone could drop by with some tomato soup that'd be great
 
@Ell I'll be there in a sec.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
@StackedCrooked if suck at failing to suck
 
Hello
 
@Ell I only have creamy chicken:(
@LucasHenrique lo
 
@MartinJames wassup?
 
user1804599
12:27 PM
% crontab -l | tail -1
*/3 * * * * scripts/weather.sh
% cat scripts/weather.sh
#!/bin/bash
if [ $(perl -e 'print int(rand(6))') == 1 ]; then
    tmux send $'weather rain\n'
else
    tmux send $'weather clear\n'
fi
 
@LucasHenrique Well, nearly last night's beer and pizza, but my guts feel better now.
 
user1804599
Great cronjob. Minecraft's default weather system is horrible.
 
Ven
(doesn't work, though... sadly)
 
user1804599
Terrible.
 
Ven
the "Result" needs to be a defaulted param, because those are instantiation-time, whereas the block of the role itself is evaluated at compile-time (thus its type parameters aren't available)
 
user1804599
12:29 PM
creativecommons.org is horrible
 
user1804599
instead of having a link to the licenses in plain text somewhere (such at the end of the license picking wizard or on the homepage), it's impossible to find them.
 
user1804599
we can conclude that this website is made by complete and utter morons
 
s/we/I/
 
Ven
lol, 0/0 == 0 in J. what?
 
makes sense
...not
OTOH since 0/0 is undefined, it could as well be 42
 
12:39 PM
0 is atomic, can't divide it :p
 
Evening
 
hi
 
Ven
o/
 
@melak47 Look: 0/42
BOOM
 
@melak47 erm. divisor and dividend swap
 

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