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amd video cards are definitely more bang for the buck
i went with nvidia because theoretically, there's better support for linux
I like the way geralt is not restricted in his movements anymore
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@nick kinda yeaj
with the mini-cutscenes when opening doors and stuff in TW2 it felt really bad
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The proprietary driver is better for amd
now you can jump and do all kinds of shit
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00:01
But iirc the open source is better on amd
I got a nice armor from a place that was only reachable by jumping while sprinting
@sehe 22
in the timely-replies department
@Ell Me too!
Looking at the R9-390X.
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Yah
Although it might cost more than the usual $550 for R9-X90X.
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00:04
I also want to go console sized case
Mini-ITX?
like a small case?
are you sure you want to do mini for gaming?
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But specifically thin as opposed to cube case
00:04
there was this "awesome" gaming mini ITX PC from gigabyte that sounded really great
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@AlexM. I want to, not sure if viable yet
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Could be cooling issues
that one is a dope case, dunno how to buy it though
... until you realized that its "full desktop GPU" was thermally throttled every time you tried to do gaming
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00:05
@AlexM. A BRIX model?
and as such performed worse than the desktop counterpart
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Yeah :S I'm not sure if it'd work or not
An AMD gpu too :P
Make sure to get the reference "blower"-type GPUs if you're going slim Mini-ITX.
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Yeah
That way you blow hot air out of the card.
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00:06
I always wonder what non reference cooling does if not exhaust out the back
only problem with blowers is they never stop
It just blows air onto itself.
With fans.
I've saved up my money too, all ready for a $1500 ish build.
@Ell /r/gamesale
As it goes with the questions that you figure must have been asked by others, the linked answer was from 2009 and has 217 upvotes. Wasn't hard to find :/ — sehe 27 secs ago
By the way, @StackedCrooked just bumped into an answer of you on that linked dupe-source.
You only /just/ missed being the accepted answer. Buy ~215 upvotes
Someone was selling GOG codes for $30.
I bought it.
00:08
@Nooble do you have monitors?
@nick Yes.
nice
I have an Asus MX229H.
i spent over 2k on my build and its not even that fancy; a lot of the cost was the monitors
It was $89 on sale at Microcenter.
00:09
nice man thin bezel is the way of the future :)
._.
It's 1920x1080, IPS, 60Hz.
It was a steal.
yeah bro, especially cuz IPS
i bought two dell U2415 monitors at 300 each and they don't seem much better than that one
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> I stopped buying expensive veg like Asparagus, and just buy regular veg instead.
I buy normal potatoes instead of sweet potatoes.
What kind of financial advise is that :L
normal potatoes are not the same thing lol
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Esp since it was titled "I saved £x by switching to Lidl"
00:12
@Ell It's the kind of advice you need when you never considered the cost of small luxury items compounding
@Nooble Any cost higher than "free" is stealing your money with a vertical resolution of only 1080. Realistically, even free should be treated as minor theft. If you're programming, you should never settle for less than 1200 lines vertical resolution.
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@sehe true. I guess I was expecting something more besides "buy cheaper food"
1080 isnt bad for a 22 inch monitor
that cost 89 bucks :)
@nick beat me
I know people who completely fail to make ends meet with more money than a small single-parent family lives on. For years. It's an art form. And It's hard to learn coming from "luxury"
00:13
my keyboard is more expensive than my GPU
@AlexM. haha what is it?
@Ell "Win lotteries"?
@nick roccat ryos mk pro with mx blues
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That'd work too :P
i got a ducky legend with brown keys
00:14
I bought it for my birthday, wanted it to be memorable
one sec
it's amazing but so not worth the money haha
for a birthday it works tho
haha nice
i convinced my boss to buy me a HHKB pro 2 at work
@JerryCoffin I've been wanting to get a 2560x1440 monitor for a while now, just trying to find the perfect one.
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I have a dell keyboard :P
00:15
@nick 1080 is unusable, regardless of size or price (unless you're using it purely as a secondary monitor along with something else that's worthwhile).
nowadays i can't touch a keyboard worth less than 100 bucks :)
I have a Logitech keyboard.
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Im thinking of getting a mechanical keyboard also
@JerryCoffin i almost got 1920x1080 (x2) to use one of them vertically
Yes but if I get a mechanical keyboard, I'll be forced never to eat and use my keyboard.
00:16
Hi,I have a question about oracle sql. It's not c++, of course, but since this is the only truly active room I'll ask and hope for the best. I am trying to make a procedure to fill my tables with values and what I need is some sort of string set from which I could take a a string by random order. Is there a way to do this without using arrays?
@nick I practice every day. But I do like my home keyboard
@Justin The answer is yes.
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@Justin probably
@sehe what is your home keyboard?
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I don't know SQL
00:17
@Nooble and how do I do this? How do I define the set and how do I take values from it randomly?
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Your best bet is asking on Stack Overflow
@nick das keyboard, brown MX
@sehe nice man, seems like lots of programmers are using das
@Ell I feel it's too simple question to make a post.
coworker is on a das with blues right now
00:18
@Justin define the set: anything (array types, temp tables). "take values randomly" is known as shuffling
@Justin by borrow someone else brain, but unfortunately all spare brains here are taken so you have to go else where
I must say I like it. But I can type on a lot of things
@Justin I don't know, I'm only a koala.
My laptop has a pretty snappy keyboard, e.g.
That's rare
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I've never typed on a nice keyboard for a long period of time
My brother has a mechanical one which is lovely to type on
I think layout is most important though
00:19
also other places might be cheaper, sehe charges 5kg tuna an hour
Allright, thanks for the help. Now I'll know what to google for.
@nick They're not bad vertically, as long as you use it with something else horizontally (lots of web sites, for example, expect you to have a monitor that's wider than that).
@JerryCoffin I've been programming on a laptop for quite some time. It's 1920x1080 and don't really see why it's so bad.
psst. me neither.
I guess it's when people use IDEs?
@JerryCoffin thats definitely true, i've found 1200 is the minimum width on quite a few sites i visit
00:20
Although I am usually on my desktop, where I use two monitors (one vertical).
@Nooble i got the same setup :)
@Nooble I suppose until you use something with higher (vertical) resolution, it may not be--but after using a higher resolution monitor for a while, 1080 seems extremely cramped (at least to me).
Is the difference between 1080 and 1200 that huge?
you can see a bit more code/web
that's about it really.. personally i prefer the 16:10 ratio that a 1200 monitor provides
just feels more natural
00:24
I heard 21:9 is really nice for gaming.
@sehe I used to have a thinkpad... great keyboard
@Nooble Seems like it to me, anyway. May just be that I'm accustomed to it, but when I bought a 1080p laptop, for the first few months I had a very tough time with it (and even after really trying for quite a while, still find it very cramped feeling (even though its overall resolution isn't much lower than I'm used to--just wider and shorter).
@Nooble heh I wouldn't know, but assuming the game and your card supports it that would be awesome
@Prismatic I think I know these. Never had one. I'd call them... crunchy.
@Prismatic at our startup office we should have 21:9 monitors for everyone
and herman miller chairs
00:27
@nick excuse me but how dare you impose monitors and chairs on our coworkers
My current keyboard laptop is an Acer Aspire V3 772G. Dunno what that keyboard is called. It has them flat keys that I usually despise. But there's quite a bit of click response ("actuation point") on these. It makes typing on it very crisp and not at all "fuzzy" like laptop keyboards usually have.
we have a 'choose-your-own' policy for equipment
@Prismatic oh my bad, everyone should get their own choice of equipment
damn straight
silly me
00:27
:D people have weird preferences
@sehe chiclet keys is the term i think
@sehe Have you used apple laptops? I like their chiclet keyboards
ive heard the terms chiclet and island used
macbook keyboards look good but they feel rather mushy after being spoiled by mechanical keyboards
@Prismatic too little practice. I wasn't running away from them either, no
I like the way you can preview window contents in the taskbar
00:29
But many of those flimsy keyboards were... flimsy
I used the preview to guide myself through task manager to kill witcher3 when it crashed
and didn't want to let go of the screen
idunno why everyone likes mechanical keyboards so much
@AlexM. task manager? :)
@Prismatic have you used one?
@nick I hate mushyness. The reason for me to go mechanic is because I want reliability. I can be precise, but the keyboard will have to be exact in it's response and not create confusion
00:30
@nick what?
ive used a lot, even the buckling spring kinds
just not a fan of how loud and clunky they feel
I've found that I could never type a sentence without backtracking a number of times. A lot of that was "fuzzyness"/uncertainty.
@AlexM. oh whoops completely misinterpreted you; thought you were using the taskbar to kill apps
Since I type mechanically my typing rate hasn't gone up, but my error rate has gone down drastically. And hence I have a lot more peace
@nick input and rendering froze
sound went on
00:31
i prefer keyboards with scissor switches and minimal lateral travel
you used the wrong one, or used it wrong.
Possibly both :)
I opened task manager but aside from the taskbar the screen was black because witcher3
I used the taskbar preview feature to see where I was with the selected process in taskman
to kill the game
yeah i get it
damn so youre 2 hrs into the game and it freezes on you?
I can't even say the loudest cherry switches are loud when I use them. They "sizzle" or "rustle". I don't like that (that's why I use browns). But I was surprised at how little oise my DAS keyboard made when it arrived
it happened when I was reading the bestiary
I'm too afraid to open the bestiary again
the game runs well otherwise
00:33
haha
I had literally hesitated for years before trying a mechanical precisely because I hate noisy hardware
@sehe have you tried topre switches?
I never realised that keyboard can be making much a difference (people say that I am a faster typer)
I think I did. In a shop. Nothing to base an opinion off
mouse, however is a different story
they have to be replaced quite frequently
00:34
I hardly use the mouse
I don't care what kind of rodent I have
@sehe ah, yeah its an acquired taste, not really something that will blow you away
I guess that's because you don't play much games :p
My mouse is just there in case, and it has about 4 cm of space either way
I don't even play many [sic] games. Since when are games with mice nice?
I thought it was keyboards all the way down and perhaps specialized controllers
Since FPS.
You use the mouse to aim.
@sehe i need to have so much clear area around my mouse. it rarely leaves the center of the mat but i'm slightly OCD about this
00:36
I have no problem with mouse for the past 2 years - probably because I stopped playing games pretty much altogether
That has literally nothing to do with FPS. Besides, controllers could be much more ergonomic
mice are so much more precise though..
@nick I'll admit that the cause is that I'm bad at organizing my desk. So, I just put the keyboard "on top" and forget about the mouse
@sehe FPS and RTS games are far better with a mouse
@nick Not if you're me
00:37
@sehe same, i have crap all over but i'll bulldoze it clear if i have to
I am good at organizing my desk - it's messy, but I know exactly where everything is :p
@Prismatic FPS? Frames per second? They're ostensibly unrelated. If anything, it can easily be argued that any system will have higher framerate without peripherals than with
First Person Shooter.
Ah
:)
00:38
@nick I honestly don't know what I'd use a mouse for except for the scroll wheel. That's a nice reprieve. However, my touchpad is nice and large on my laptop, so that leaves me with no (need for a) mouse
@sehe What OS do you use
I freaking love mice.
Mostly (90%) linux. Some windows at work
But on windows (like now) there is no difference.
They're so much easier to use IMO.
I mean, in the use of mice.
00:39
Lots more freedom.
I can do pretty much anything using the mouse. I hate Ribbon UI as you'll understand
Some WMs with linux are very keyboard centric but otherwise I think most OS's require a decent amount of mouse input
@Nooble How on earth is it "freedom" to do /the same things/ by jumping through many hoops? Click here, move there, click the other thing, type a word, click some more, ready!
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@JerryCoffin I only have 720 vertical lines. ;~;
@Prismatic you'd be surprised, even mac os x lets you get away with a lot using the keyboard
00:41
you cannot do beautiful things like this with a trackpad
I hate having to look around, aim (yes I'm clumsy) and click six more times, if I know the command by heart.
but mouse definitely makes it easier, imo
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I've been seriously considering getting a new laptop just so I can get a larger, beefier, more ridiculous screen size.
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Like 1920 x 1200, but I'm not even sure if many laptops are that size without being even larger than my already huge backpack can handle.
00:41
@AlexM. lol you posted this a while back didnt you?
yes
you seem to have a memory
I remember too.
It is my great pleasure to announce you my presence here for the rest of the day
@nick On Mac I'm lost without the keyboard. I don't understand Mac mice. They're crippled versions of Windows mice and nothing works (except scrolling, which is inverted as well o.O)
@buttifulbuttefly Would you like some tea?
00:42
@ThePhD theres lots of laptops these days with huge resolutions, but rather small screen size
Is it a new day for you already
@Nooble Ceylon tea please, with a butt of milk
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@nick Hopefully I can get one of those. That has decent fans.
@ThePhD retina macbook pro? :)
i dunno about the fans though
@buttifulbuttefly Looks like we're out of tea! It'll just be water with a butt of milk then.
00:43
@Nooble anything by pyth is a great example of top notch mouse movement and accuracy
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You mean that 3K piece of garbage?
@Nooble splendid
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I'll never buy a Mac ever again.
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Never had such an expensive PoS in my life.
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Not to mention XCode is not my idea of fun.
00:43
@ThePhD i think retina macs are like 1300 now
still garbage
QED
well thats just like, your opinion man
hey xcode isn't that bad
@ThePhD what was wrong with it (and is macVim not superior anyways?)
too bad my opinion is like, the correct one
well, that's, just, like, your opinion, man...
00:44
i dont think you have much choice if youre doing ios/os x builds right?
yes you can hang yourself or jump off a bridge
@buttifulbuttefly oh come on, you barely woke up. Troll your flat mate
dude, like, thats not the right thing to do
What? It's 8:45 here, woke up at 7
I'm wide awake
> , like,
00:45
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I like this song by the goat girl youtube.com/watch?v=jFzg-_L3TLc
Prolly means I should be going to bed
no more goat sounds here tho
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Q: PS4 does not support this data type

liuhongxuanI have a problem in the program I am writing for the PS4 using the obris SDK. When I attempt to open a web browser with a URL, the PS4 warns me PS4 does not support this data type and the web view does not display. What might be the issue?

people so dumb
> the goat girl
<3
I wanna dev for ps4 :[
@sehe doesn't a polar bear live in all time zones though?
00:47
How do get you be a dev that gets access to PS4 dev tools but still asks questions like that on SO
I have performed some investigations and reached the conclusion that the data type you have is probably not supported by the PS4. — Alex M. 5 secs ago
heh
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@sehe My initial developer experience with it was when I was debugging g++ executables, before clang ever existed. And then after that I was doing an embeded project in it. Before that, I had a Macbook Pro and I was dual-booting with Bootcamp to do Windows development, until the thing fried on me (everytime I turned it on, you could smell the smouldering silicon). Aside from that, XCode would do strange things with my code, especially when I was debugging.
@AlexM. ew. that's crappy. She doesn't sing well. She looks like a painted over bitch. The music is run-of-the-mill and she rushes everything still
00:47
@AlexM. +1, we appreciate your efforts
feel like I should learn Romanian
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It would do things like ignore my breakpoints, jump overfunctions with clear definitions, and just outright not attempt to print some things (even with -g and all set).
my buddy had a macbook and it took him like 3 hours to replace the hard drive
sehe has high standards
00:48
@nick I like to walk backwards around the pole sometimes. Just making time pass, I tell my kids
I still kinda want one just because of how smexy they look
Fact: iDevices are for tools.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's something about girls becoming badass or something instead of being naive
"the fate of the naive"?
the lyrics are kinda cringe-y but the song sounds nice
00:49
@ThePhD i actually took my MBP apart a couple years after i got it and applied new thermal paste to the heatsinks. they really ought to have better QC in that area
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fata = girl
fata naiva = naive girl
@Prismatic This is the sole reason I'd contemplate buying one. The fact that it's solid, surely feels comfy and the siren song how everything "just works" on Mac.
but in latin fata means fairy and destiny and other things!!
@AlexM. that's sexist
00:50
lol
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> $5,034.67
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Lenovo pls.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol "this is my summer, we're wearing skirts and sandals"
om nom nom
@ThePhD You could almost buy a Dell for that
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00:51
There's only some 6 laptops that are with 1920 x 1200 resolution, and 3 of them are Macs.
What? You must be kidding
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On Newegg*
No idea what that is
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1920 x 1200, my bad.
Get a Dell XPS
00:52
I expected > 1080p laptops to be commonplace nowadays
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I can't type today.
today today today today today
It must be on your end. Works for me
sehe so punny
And with that, I race to bed. Night all
nite slep tite
haven't even watched it yet
just love the title
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Nighty night, @sehe
@sehe Good night.
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> $2,999.95
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00:53
FFS, and that's a panasonic.
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It's probably because of the graphics card. =/
Wait what is that.
@EtiennedeMartel :rire: :esclaffe:
And why does it cost $3000.
00:53
@sehe Yeah. I know everything doesn't 'just werk' on a mac, but its shiny. I was recently reading about how shit OpenGL is on OSX for instance and some allegations that they refuse to improve OpenGL which can be slower on their devices to peddle Metal.
@sehe gn
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It's one of the 1920 x 1200 laptops.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
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If I lower my standards to 1920 x 1080 (regular 1080p), I get a lot more options.
00:54
16:9 is my favorite.
it means "how it's done"
@Prismatic i put the peddle to the Metal
ugh
swing and a miss @nick, swing and a miss
I'll have to write you up for reckless punning
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@Prismatic With a later macbook, the lowest you'll have to suffer is OpenGL... 3.1, I believe.
gonna have to plonk myself for that
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00:55
They won't upgrade it because their OpenGL is locked to their OS.
can you upgrade opengl on any system?
@ThePhD Their core and and classic profile thing is a different issue
They still don't support OpenGL 4.5 for example
quick Mr Saxobeat before bed
And there are accusations that their driver implementations for OpenGL (or at least the parts they implement) are crap
I gotta go to bed too :<
the reason I stopped playing TW3 is because I was so sleepy I was getting dizzy
00:56
Hello
Fucking boost::make_filtered_graph and its Predicates' default constructibility.
@nick OpenGL is implemented with a driver
If your system allows you to update the driver then sure
@AlexM. night man
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@Prismatic YAGN OpenGL 4.5
@Prismatic isn't some portion of opengl on the gpu firmware?
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00:57
OpenGL 3.3 is pretty much good.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't like alexandra stan that much :<
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@ThePhD you are if you want to AZDO
Lemonade is ok tho
@ThePhD That's a pretty stupid thing to say
NetBeans isn't compiling my multi-file C++ project. References to functions and other items from main.cpp to other source files fails while linking with "undefined reference" errors. Any ideas?
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00:57
OpenGL 4.5 is bleeding edge.
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You target only people with the latest and greatest.
Doesn't 4 add DSA and other stuff
@DragonLord would you be on a case sensitive fs by any chance?
@DragonLord Do you know what "undefined reference" means?
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Right, but DSA is "almost ubiquitous", with only Intel being a bunch of fucks about it.
00:58
Is there any reason a computer shouldn't have bleeding edge if the hardware can support it?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I like this other blonde chick youtube.com/watch?v=psZFoUv7Ipc and a newer song youtube.com/watch?v=ykhaRmZr01M
Why does my three year old $70 video card have OpenGL 4.5 drivers
the first one is probably like 10+ years old
@nick No. This is on Windows.
When a $3000 macbook with hardware manufactured this or last year doesn't
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00:58
4.5 is almost a year old
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Right, but 4.5 is problematic when you travel outside the realm of Windows.
@ThePhD Yes, I've #include'd the required files.
This is a link-time issue. Any ideas?
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@ThePhD how come?
Where are you coming up with thsi stuff? works fine for me on Linux

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