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18:01
Yes?
@khajvah Depends (heavily) on what you consider part of Windows, and what you consider applications running on Windows. The kernel is mostly C and C++, with a little assembly language. Much of the shell appears to be C++. Some of what I'd think of as applications that happen to be bundled with the OS are written with .NET (probably in C#).
@khajvah Because Android is a piece of shit.
@JerryCoffin I don't think he meant what the windows(or linux) is written in
@khajvah Perhaps not--the question is quite ambiguously phrased.
yeah
18:08
@Nooble play CS
and become the very best
like no one ever was
To kill them was my real test.
@JerryCoffin I started reading Lion's book as you suggested, it is great. Also looking at MIT's open course in os engineering(I believe the book was used there at first)
@khajvah I believe the book was originally used at one of the universities in Australia (where John Lions was a prof). Not that it makes any real difference...
My memory is notoriously fragile though, so that could easily be wrong anyway.
oh, ok. The xv6 OS is like 9000 lines of code. Linux's scheduler alone was 8000
LOC is a shitty measurement.
18:13
@khajvah @JerryCoffin Which book would you recommend to a complete novice for C++
if you're writing in C then 90% of it is going to be memory management crap
@Coldplay I think, we did suggest you some yesterday
@Puppy It sucks, but most of the alternatives suck even more.
@Nooble rek them all*
in CS you either rek or get rekt
mostly get rekt
18:16
well without people getting rekt
there would be no people reking
@khajvah I am confused between these three
Programming: Principles and Practice Using C++
C++ Primer (5th Edition)
C++ Primer Plus (6th Edition)
@Coldplay If you're an experienced programmer who just needs to learn a new language, then Accelerated C++ (but be aware that it teaches C++98/03, not C++11/14). Otherwise, C++ Primer by Lippman, Lajoie and Moo. In the latter case, be sure to get the newest edition (which does cover C++11).
@Coldplay get this one
@Nooble there's this huge player who hails from your homeland
huge as in big as in large
"What are the differences, at the molecular level, between a Spaniard and a Frenchman?" — Lightness Races in Orbit 7 secs ago
18:17
I think he'll explode one day
@JerryCoffin I have learned little bit of C
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :D good one
@Coldplay Could you (for example) implement a QuickSort in C in (say) a couple of hours, without referring to any references? If so, you probably know enough to start from Accelerated C++. Otherwise, C++ Primer is a better bet.
I have read the reviews and people are saying that this not good for absolute beginners
@JerryCoffin What are your thoughts on C++ Primer Plus by Stephen Prata
@JerryCoffin What alternatives?
18:21
Everyone is so obsessed with genDir nowadays. — Lightness Races in Orbit 6 secs ago
my place still stinks of rum
fucking satanicnuggets
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Lel
what's genDir?
it is a vabible
@Coldplay I'd avoid it.
18:24
OHHHH
IT'S A PUN
no, it is a variable
well you could've used [nonobviouspune] tags
@Coldplay For an absolute beginner, You can Do it by Francis Glassborrow is worth considering.
@JerryCoffin So if I know C I should get C Primer Plus by Lippman
right
Newest Version
@Coldplay C++ Primer by Lippman.
18:26
yet none of you arseholes upvoted it
fine
my god you're so needy
there
one could also say needful
and then in indian english doing the needful could mean doing lori
I'm onto something
I just found a new good DJ
I gotta admit tho
"prepone" is genius
I'd so use that
user3010322
I don't think there's an is_line_break unicode property...
I think I'll watch interstellar tonight, finally
18:31
COME ON ALEX
you will be disappointed
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what
@AlexM. are you talking about me?
18:32
@Puppy Most other measures of code "size", like Function Points (and variations like "Weighted Micro Function Points"), Balanced Score Cards, simple counts of classes, interfaces, functions, etc. Nearly all of them end up about equally meaningful (or, mostly, meaningless) in the end. IOW, they all produce crap results, but line counts are at least easy to do.
I'll get back to it after I watch the movie then
@LightnessRacesinOrbit good movie
Sorry, your request could not be completed because it looked suspicious.
thanks SO
I really wanna watch something like avengers tho :<
the ideal world would have a new avengers movie every day
@nick what did you try to do?
18:33
inb4 multiple accepts
tried to comment on something
@nick serves you right for trying to access NSA's files
nah it was multiple downvotes
i think SE is just discriminatory against people of my kind
brb making an angry tweet
yo lounge
yo
18:39
how is everyone this fine sunday
@Prismatic AC130
@LightnessRacesinOrbit twisted, right?
@Prismatic funny and messed up at the same time
@Prismatic dangerous
18:41
the nicest part of call of duty mw
@Prismatic Also missing the point
there's a good reason you want your soldiers to be fully aware and conscious of each life they take
@milleniumbug missing the point of what?
the moment it becomes some veneered video game you're just begging for overzealous drone operators to shoot before they think
18:42
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah how those researchers used the word 'dehumanize' so nonchalantly was pretty disturbing
@AlexM. sounds like a convenience store
@LightnessRacesinOrbit this might be exactly what the military is begging for: this way they can "achieve" so much more
@Prismatic It doesn't do the "masking"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's not like soldiers have a say
they just follow orders
18:43
@AlexM. what
@JerryCoffin Well I'll concur that as far as "Get a crappy measurement" goes, LOC is certainly easy. I guess that I just wouldn't try to measure this aspect.
and they're working towards making soldiers follow orders better
@AlexM. um they're human beings
they make decisions in the heat of the moment
yes, those decisions are supposed to fit within the scope of a set of orders
@AlexM. There's a limit on how much soldiers should follow orders.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit deliberately not killing the target you're assigned to kill is called deserting
18:44
but a military does not instruct a soldier's every muscle movement
@AlexM. they give feedback to medics who monitor their mental condition.
@milleniumbug If you scroll down on the page I linked there are ones that mask out the targets
wait deserting is not really the proper word
if you're told to bomb a building you're gonna do it
deserting means you go to the other guys and join them
18:45
I think the picture I took a screenshot of was jus tmeant to 'dehumanize' by making them look like people from the sims
@AlexM. nope, that's collaborating
@AlexM. deserting means you leave
deserting is just refusing duty/eloping AFAIK
defecting is joining the other team.
right
18:47
deserting is just leaving your own team without their consent, effectively.
not killing the dude you're told to kill is refusing to follow orders, which is a completely separate matter.
@Puppy that's what I was looking for. Wordz are teh hardz
user3010322
"Obstruction of justice" is the civilian version.
user3010322
Not sure what the army version is.
obstruction of justice and refusing to follow orders are two completely different things.
war tends to have different effects on people
18:49
obstruction of justice is about interfering with the outcome of a court case or other judicial proceeding.
some need to go to the hospital because they go mad
others are like hitler, "ww1 was the best thing for me, now I must kill those who defeated me"
you can't obstruct justice by refusing to prosecute a dude
they'd just fire you and get somebody else to prosecute the dude.
Evening
howdy
user3010322
Making the DFA for this lexer is hard. :(
18:51
dude, lexers are easy.
it's just a giant for loop, basically.
user3010322
Yeah, but I wanna do it the right way!
the right way is not constructing some awkward state machine.
user3010322
... Oh.
it's just writing a switch case.
user3010322
Well I guess I'm already failing?
18:51
writing giant state machines is for lexer generator programs.
The German State Machien.
a switch case is sort of a state machine right?
user1804599
Use monadic parser combinators.
user1804599
18:53
ctrl+v fail
@CatPlusPlus +1 very relevant and good
@CatPlusPlus Help me with Git, cat
I fail
So I wanted to push my repo, and the command line asks "Password: "
So I enter my password, and it comes up again
you didn't set up SSH properly then
you got the wrong pw bud
holy fuck laundry driers are expensive
18:55
@Puppy I don't even know if you're bullshiting me
nope.
Xeo
Xeo
@AlexM. I have one, but it's apparently broken :(
@Puppy How do I set up SSH then?
hes not
ask github
18:56
@Xeo I was hanging up my clothes to dry today and thought
Ell
Ell
tumbledriers?
wouldn't it be grand to have a machine which dried the clothes
cant you set up an http git server?
@AlexM. Woah.
@Ell I have this
18:57
@AlexM. dayum
Ell
Ell
if it works :p
Ell
Ell
You'd struggle with just that in britian though
@Prismatic that vanilla
Who's starring random crap?
this dries them up automatically
18:57
smack smack smack smack
but costs as much as a laundry machine
@Puppy Are you sure it's SSH? I mean, you can't be, but consider that I declared my origin as git remote add origin ssh://.....
so it's a pretty big investment
but I guess it works well if you don't have a place to hang the clothes
yes im sure.
git doesn't ask you for your password if ssh is set up properly.
@Puppy Err, what
18:58
Get it guys??
Wait, I enter my password everytime on Linux
Unless it's cached
@Nooble oh ho ho so clever
Passworded SSH doesn't work with VCSes that do virtual users on top of a single system user
you could set up a key
do kids still play pokemon
Ell
Ell
18:59
@Puppy mine does vOv
You either push over HTTP with username/password or over SSH with a key, there's no other option
is it still a thing
I know some of the words that cat said
@Prismatic Yes.
Ell
Ell
I guess my ssh isn't set up
18:59
@Ell Then your SSH is not set up correctly.
Ell
Ell
my ssh keys are passworded

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