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4:00 PM
and Valve's anti cheat isn't great at detecting these
ESEA's is the best
 
why can these people not be tidy ffs
 
some servers add their own "solutions"
 
seems to me that Windows ought to offer a protected user-mode process, maybe.
 
And then they drop you because you have something running in the background that might have some debugging capabilities
 
that is hardly a common case.
 
4:01 PM
@Puppy Protected from what
 
> read about virtual functions but i am not able to clear the concept.
then proceeds to ask something else
u wat
 
e.g. faceit servers have extra stuff running that only renders enemy players if you or at least one teammate see them
 
@AlexM. If it is that easy to fuck up the game by an external process, then it is buggy
 
this is to protect from wallhacks
 
@CatPlusPlus Other user-mode processes.
 
4:02 PM
unfortunately, nobody told them that not all wallhacks work like this
and players popping from corners as if they're lagging due to their solution happen too often
 
Elevated processes are protected
From non-elevated ones, because that's the only thing that works
 
not from other elevated processes, if I recall correctly
 
@khajvah no it's not lol
 
How would you do that
 
what do bugs have to do
with processes hooking up to software
 
4:03 PM
i am trying to avoid getting hijacked by ADL here:
http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/57e543d8108808b4

any tips?
 
Does anyone know how to reach an employee at the Chrome web store? I have an important update going out to 85,000+ users that's blocked.
 
And even then, you could just load a driver that has to have raw access to hardware
 
What is the point of cheating any ways. I can never understand.
 
@DonLarynx sir i have a doubt
 
Does this look like the work of a professional designer?
 
4:03 PM
@CatPlusPlus Sure, but from memory, it still needs the page table from the OS to actually load memory from that userspace process, right?
 
No, it needs page table from the CPU
 
Because maybe I have some real OCD issues.
 
The OS and drivers run on the same privilege level
 
I thought that the CPU only kept a cache of the page table, rather than the real thing, and only for the process you're currently running.
so if you were a driver then the CPU would only have available (a cache of) your page table.
 
@CatPlusPlus So there's no way for us to bash your code?
 
4:05 PM
can a pointer call a function?
i.e. int *p = &someobj; p -> foo();
 
@Puppy That's TLB
 
wait
 
@DonLarynx That question makes no sense.
 
@Jefffrey now?
 
Did someone really just put an imperative sentence in their title?
 
4:06 PM
you make it sound like that doesn't happen all the time
 
@DonLarynx Still no sense.
 
@gnzlbg You don't want the one in std to be found?
 
p is a pointer to int, and int does not have a member function because it's not a class type.
 
Q: I have a car which uses a motor, is it possible to rip out the motor and keep the car working? A: You will have to build your own motor. Q: Is there no better way? A: No. — RedX Mar 5 at 10:24
@DonLarynx Are you serious?
 
anybody has any idea how to setup amazon ec server?
 
4:08 PM
@AndyProwl I want mine to be found first, the one in the standard can be found if mine isn't viable. I really dont know why std::begin gets picked, i thought that ADL was always performed after looking in the current namespace, if no viable function was found
 
@CatPlusPlus Well I guess that if it's literally impossible to implement, then obviously all you can do is simply run in a server-client model and not send any priviliged information to the client, like a Web server.
 
@Jefffrey objects can call functions like so: Object myObj = object_one.returns_an_Object();. can pointers call functions like so: Object* objPt = &sometype; objPt -> returns_some_type();
or is it called something else?
 
there's fucking sunlight at 19
I hate clock changes
 
@DonLarynx Yes
 
i want it to be dark when i go home
 
4:08 PM
ok, cool i just didnt want to sound like a moran when saying "pointers can call functions."
 
@Puppy Sure, but that means you can't interpolate anything on the client, which makes it extremely latency prone
 
perhaps you could do a full OnLive-style game stream.
 
any ideas?
 
but surely for things like interpolation, that would require sending information to the client that's only going to be privileged for a couple frames, not really enough reaction time I feel?
 
@gnzlbg Lookup rules are quite complicated, I don't remember them by heart , but I'm not surprised by ADL interfering. Can you make your begin a function object?
 
4:10 PM
at least not for random cheaters.
 
@AndyProwl Today I start my jam basically. :c
How are you doing?
 
I wonder if Valve will ever fully fix CS
maybe with Source 2
 
@Jefffrey Working on it quite hard actually, but it still kind of sucks
 
there are bugs in this game that were also present in CS 1.6 lol
 
like, it's nothing I would normally play for longer than a minute
I should at least try to make more interesting maps
 
4:11 PM
@AlexM. Nothing is ever fully fixed.
 
@Puppy P sure if there was a way it'd be done already. Internet games can't be too chatty or they're vulnerable to packet drops and latency
 
@Puppy I don't know. I think about it. It would be enough if the one from std:: is never picked up.
 
You could do more on LAN, but that's up to certain scale anyway, more massive games use P2P simulations
 
P2P is protected from most forms of cheating anyway by desyncs
 
@gnzlbg (I was thinking of something like this, but I'm not sure if it makes sense)
 
4:13 PM
but more vulnerable to viewing privileged information I feel
 
I haven't quite understood your use case
 
Guys, please, somebody give me a link to a tutorial to this amazon EC2. I hate this.
 
no.
you find the link
 
@Puppy I expect that from you mate.
 
good
 
4:15 PM
You still on the kernel thing?
 
so
full OnLive-style output video streaming is the only proper protection then.
 
@CatPlusPlus Nah, I hate to configure an amazon EC2 server. (if you were talking to me)
 
and that is no panacea.
 
stupid hashing function :\
 
4:16 PM
it's 5pm right now and I'm really confused because it's bank holiday so no work but still a Friday and I got up earlier than I would have done on a Saturday (slightly) so it feels later than it is PLUS it's actually only 4pm UTC ffs
 
The proper protection is playing with friends not random idiots :v
 
@khajvah Perhaps you should mention again who sells EC2. I may have forgotten.
 
@AndyProwl i think i have a solution, i'll make begin a function object, and the current begin free function will be renamed to e.g. my_begin which dispatches to 2 my_begin_impl(T&&, int) and my_begin_impl(T&&, long) as follows: my_begin_impl(forward(t), 0), the second one, my_begin_impl just brings in std::begin
 
what's a bank holiday
 
@thecoshman coshing cosh function
 
4:16 PM
this is the 2nd time I hear about it
 
A holiday where you go to a bank
 
@AlexM. public holiday in UK
 
And leave all your money
 
@Puppy Can you just plonk me if you dont want to read, instead of bitching?
8
 
user1804599
hi
 
4:17 PM
no
 
I guess the name is a little anachronistic
 
user1804599
ok
 
@khajvah Best to just plonk him. He's a sad, pathetic little child who will keep berating you forever if you let him.
 
> puppy
> bitching
I SEE WHAT
 
4:18 PM
lol
 
so today's a bank holiday as is monday
and there's another one at the start of may, and another one in August ish
 
so like on this bank holiday banks don't work?
I mean people can't spend money?
 
historically speaking yeah
 
Banks don't work on weekends either
 
it stems from the notion that bank holidays are not "business days", so you couldn't be compelled to pay any debt on those days
 
4:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus yeah but Martin was worried that his card would also not work
 
if you said you'd pay somebody back in three days' time, that meant working days, and bank holidays would be excluded from that
 
so it sounds to me like their whole infrastructure gets shut down lol
 
oh sweet mary mother of jesus! just spent ages trying to work out why passing in ANY value results in this function using zero. It's because that log is from another call where a zero IS passed in!!!
 
of course in reality it's just a basic public holiday so, as a consequence, banks really do close on bank holidays. but for no other reason than they also close on sundays
@AlexM. he had technical difficulties; that's all
 
4:20 PM
oh ok
 
online banking was broken
he did try to explain this to you at the time, as did I!
 
user1804599
I should remove the JIT stuff and concentrate on the interpreter.
 
2
Q: How to #define if in C++ to be python-like

kill-zI know that I can define something like #define LESS(x, y) if(x < y) so I wonder can I define if in c++ to be python-like template or not? such as if x < y: do something instead of if(x < y) do something

inb4 "use Wide"
> 2015
> 3 April Friday Good Friday
> 6 April Monday Easter Monday
> 4 May Monday Early May bank holiday
> 25 May Monday Spring bank holiday
> 31 August Monday Summer bank holiday
> 25 December Friday Christmas Day
> 28 December Monday Boxing Day (substitute day)
@AlexM. ^
 
lol the user guide of EC2 is 800 pages
 
What do you need to do with it
 
4:27 PM
the substitute day thing is great. it means if a holiday would fall on a weekend, we get it on the next weekday instead :D
 
@LightningRacisinObrit why is your easter in the same day as the hungarian easter here
 
If it's just "spin the instance" then select the AMI and the type and press the butan
 
what religion is that
 
so even though we have relatively few public holidays, on average we actually get more than in Europe
@AlexM. um normal Easter mate
 
@CatPlusPlus Have to run a python webapp
 
4:28 PM
nope, orthodox easter is normal
and it's on the 13th
 
lol
no it isn't
normal, that is
 
lol gtfo your religion is inferior
 
i am islam
 
go orthodox jesus
 
@khajvah Have to run a Python webapp or have to run a Python webapp on EC2 instance specifically?
 
4:29 PM
i have no religion, bitch
just bank holidays
 
My religion forbids me to answer linked list questions
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, for some reason my boss chose EC2, so specifically on EC2
 
@LightningRacisinObrit You off to the bar later?
 
@MartinJames no
well.
 
apparently protestants and catholics have their easter now
(i.e. this week)
 
4:30 PM
I was gonna do a whole "no it's a pub mate" thing. but I think actually I may end up in Bar Schnapps at some point
 
(i.e. when lrio said it would be)
 
If you don't have anyone who knows how to do ops, then you're better off either hiring someone to deal with that, or using PaaS like Heroku
 
anyway
 
@AlexM. It's about Western vs Eastern Christianity. basically everyone vs Orthodox
 
national easter day off is on the orthodox easter
due to the majority
 
4:30 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit I've been remiss in my duties lately, so I thought of heading down to the club early. They're streaming the soccer.
 
@MartinJames the WHAT
 
in my country I mean
not yours
 
goat ew hell
 
Anyway EC2 is really just "pick the type, pick the image, wait until it spins up"
You don't need any of the more advanced features
 
@CatPlusPlus then why should I hire someone :D
 
4:31 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit Someone has to keep the club income up.
 
@MartinJames no but I mean the WHAT
 
Because after the setup on EC2 you have setup and maintenance of a server instance
 
@CatPlusPlus If it gives me a linux terminal, I will do it.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit i love Schnapps
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Derby match on SS1: 'Football', to you:)
 
4:33 PM
@MartinJames and to you...
 
@LightningRacisinObrit 2 chars less typing.
 
@MartinJames r u srs
"footie" then
 
@LightningRacisinObrit sre ll
 
but it's not "soccer" how dare you
the queen will chop your head off m8
 
@khajvah Well, then click on EC2 in console, change region if needed, click "Launch instance" butan, fill form
 
4:34 PM
> location United Kingdom
> says "soccer"
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Executions are forbidden on bank holidays.
 
I, too, like to live dangerously.
 
It will, in fact, launch an instance
 
american football and rugby both need to be refactored as sports
 
@MartinJames the substitution rule applies
 
4:34 PM
feet have nothing to do with the ball anymore
 
rugby has more to do with rugs than with feet
and american football can just do one frankly
 
I'd put rugby in the e-sports bag for fun
 
You might also need to go into security group settings and open up ports 80/443 or whatever, don't remember what the defaults are
 
@CatPlusPlus I hope it is that easy
 
But really it's not much of a rocket science thing
 
4:36 PM
I wonder what the hell they wrote in that 800 page book.
 
0
Q: Does this cause memory leak?

SoutheeBase is the base class and Derived is the derived class. Base* p = new Derived; delete p; Let's assume that the base destructor is not virtual. Does this cause memory leak, if yes, why? And what would be the solution to fix it?

ffs
 
Because EC2 has more features than just launching instances
You don't need them though
Probably
 
Not yet for sure
 
They're mostly targeted at cluster scaling
Also there's API for automations and stuff
 
4:38 PM
I remember you being a gentleman in answering my question once. So, I'll respect your word on this one. — Southee 40 secs ago
lool
 
I remember you being a gentleman in answering my question once. So, I'll respect your word on this one. — Southee 44 secs ago
ahahahaha
bah jinx
 
@LightningRacisinObrit duplicate
 
@DonLarynx go ahead and vote
 
i flagged it
 
@Don yeah that's not bad actually
hammered
haha just went through Southee's previous questions, and I've only ever berated him for lack of research
 
4:40 PM
who?
 
user1804599
ugh
 
user1804599
segfault in operator new
 
I'm trying so hard to find that instance where LRiO agreed that using stuff like "it might explode your computer" to explain UB is silly
 
user1804599
oh wait, sigabrt
 
user1804599
> src.out(998,0x100581000) malloc: *** error for object 0x1002000f8: incorrect checksum for freed object - object was probably modified after being freed.
 
4:42 PM
Let's assume that both the base and derived class have distinct dynamically allocated variables. – Southee 2 mins ago
What do you think, @Southee? Will de-referencing a child cause the member data initialized in the parent constructor to be deallocated? well? -Don
 
I can't find it
w/e
We can say. It is a well-established general computing term. This "anything can happen" cookie-cutter answer is well and good when we're language lawyering, but the guy is asking about what can happen in practice. In practice, "anything can happen" is simply not true. — Lightning Racis in Obrit Jan 9 at 12:13
aha!
 
you really like rep don't you :P
like that time when you made that huge bolded "Yes!" with the exclamation mark
 
it was the answer!
 
people upvote enthusiastic and formatted answers more
you know this
I can see your true motives!
anyway
still not as bad as me changing the titles to the questions I answer
so that they get more views
(I don't change other questions)
 
4:50 PM
Dec 27 '13 at 20:27, by Lightness Races in Orbit
rep rep gimme rep
 
I think for april 1st SO should have changed to something like homework.se
 
@AlexM. you clever little man.. but you do know that the question bumps up when answers are added/edited, right?
 
with lots of homework questions on the front page
 
result:
3
A: Calling clear() on a vector of shared_ptr. Will memory be freed?

Lightning Racis in ObritYes.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Cheers & hth.
no bold fyi
 
@LightningRacisinObrit What an answer
 
4:53 PM
@khajvah thx
 
@FilipRoséen-refp yes, but "Why do some developers make players pay or wait a period of time?" is more hittable than "why do games limit the turns you can take?"
actual example of one of my changes
the original title didn't even send the message that it was about money
 
money talks.
 
no it doesn't
what a silly thing to say
I thought you were intelligent Phil
 
@LightningRacisinObrit what a good answer!
upvoted
what if I changed...
> Updating children nodes in a game engine
to
> How to manipulate children in this situation?
nah the mods would revert it
SE NO FUN
 
not the mods
do you even use SO
Ah man, this is such a good Friday.
4
 
5:07 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit lol, nice play! Even better against an Arsenil team.
 
Arsenil lol
ooh just hit SR100 in Halo
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Is there a video that I cannot find?
> Cannot play media. Sorry, this media is not available in your territory.
Bullshit
 
@AlexM. MUH PROFESIONALISM
 
I read few questions about rvalue reference on stackoverflow but couldn't get it. When exactly do i need to use && ?
 
@khajvah yes
@khajvah kik
@androidplusios.design Read more questions.
 
5:18 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit mpm
 
@androidplusios.design What do you think we can do other than to repeat the same material????
Study it, think about it, try to understand it. Take your time. Learn. Have patience.
We can't just magically make you understand and we won't waste our time repeating the existing information in a fanciful attempt to do so.
Just because u is 2 lazy
 
This server thing is fun actually. It is like running a computer from distance.
 
Ok I think I need to be more patient. Lightning Racis in Orbit can you right a program to stop time?
:p
 
>right a program
maybe if he wrong the lottery
 
> >right
 
5:20 PM
write
:p
sorry
 
@androidplusios.design yes
 
so is nobody gonna congratumulate me on 150k?
 
Congratulations! Expect your internet karma on your mail.
 
You have 4 stars there.
 
5:23 PM
need moar starz
 
There
 
Did you know...

Constructors and Destructors in Java Swing are completely different from C++
 
thx keep em coming
@DonLarynx yes Dan
 
Lightness how old are you? and how much time did it take to earn 150K?
 
inb4 marry me
 
5:24 PM
@androidplusios.design I am 15 and it took me 16 years
 
please be serious -_-
 
The humor of some people in here... I'm still not getting it :D
 
Felicitaciones por el 150k
 
But now that I've stopped just lurking around: Congrats @LightningRacisinObrit !
 
@jPlatte ta
star it
STAR IT
 
5:27 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit Star what?
 
It wont get you a beer
 
@jPlatte british humour only humour
 
@androidplusios.design If you click on his username or avatar, a menu will pop up. That should include an entry to look at his profile on SO, which will at least tell you how long he's been a member on SO (though given the qualify of his answers, I'd consider it open to a great deal of question whether he's actually earned 150K at all).
 
@khajvah it might
 
@JerryCoffin The last part was priceless.
 
5:30 PM
@LightningRacisinObrit: "you" — Karoly Horvath 7 mins ago
wtf
@khajvah The last part was typical, unprovoked, childish wankery from a supposedly mature individual. I tend to consider it a source of amusement nowadays, as I don't know what else you can do with such self-evident lies.
Must just be threatened by my awesomeness.
 
some times i get confused whether to use he or she for lightness so i avoid using pronouns and just call lightness
:p
 
@androidplusios.design you can use trap, it goes for both
 
@androidplusios.design I surpass both :P
CHICKEN PIES ARE READY YAY
lol spotify sends you a private message regarding "ranking up" on almost every post you make
 
@LightningRacisinObrit How could "I consider ..." possibly be "self-evident" as a lie, unless you claim that you're able to read people's minds and know what they consider true (though the latter wouldn't be terribly surprising--this is far from your first post that displays a symptom of Schizophrenia).
 
5:36 PM
also I very quickly came to regret getting involved on the spotify "minimise to tray" forum topic. these guys know about as much about honest discourse and logic as @Cat does...
One guy's bitching that Spotify doesn't notify you of changes post-upgrade. I linked him to the release notes. Then "I don't have time" to read the release notes cos he has a life etc apparently. So then why is he asking to be notified of changes if he doesn't have time to read them huh
Just boggles the mind
 
user1804599
Ugh, segfault in std::vector::push_back.
 
@райтфолд Sounds like either copy / move constuctor problem or *this doesn't refer to a valid object
 
@LightningRacisinObrit That's standard human behavior.
People do not read release notes.
 
user1804599
Yeah I think I know where to look.
 
user1804599
Operand stack contains invalid pointer for some reason.
 
5:43 PM
I think it's linked to the TL;DR syndrome.
 
@EtiennedeMartel THen they shouldnt complain about notifying about changes.
 
Doesn't matter. To these people, it is never their fault.
And as such, you can never win, because whatever you do, you're doing it wrong.
 
Why isnt pip providing binaries ?
 
pip isn't providing anything
Also it installs wheels if they're available
 
I cant find pandas binary for suse enterprise
 
5:47 PM
Install prerequisites then
 
I did
it is failing to compile for some reason
 
anyone know any good resource related to algorithm analysis and design that's available for free online? The only book I know on the subject is The Design and Analysis of Computer Algorithms, dating back to 1976. I am prepping for the google interview(s).
 
Well solve the some reason then
 
Do you know what is execvp?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Undoubtedly to an extent--but also linked to the fact that release notes typically contain a lot that's of precisely zero interest to most users. In this case, they apparently removed a feature that's of interest to many users, but a lot of what's in release notes is typically about fixing bugs most users haven't encountered in the first place.
 
5:48 PM
nothing inherently wrong with the book though, but it's always good with an additional resource
 
It's exec() taking vararray of arguments and I think envp
Well or something around that area
 
it says execvp: no such file or directory
 
Oh, no, this one takes normal array
That's a bug somewhere
Or your environment is fucked up idk
 
@khajvah remember that execvp and related functions works with absolute paths, you can't rely on any magic search of $PATH to find the executable that you'd like
 
I think I found it, I might need to install gcc-c++
 
5:51 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp Actually execvp does
I think that's the p
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Linux repos usually include binaries for panda but not suse linux appearantly
 
@CatPlusPlus ah, true; I just checked the manpage. thanks!
 
Relying on repo packages for that is a road full of blood tears and goats
 
done!
I needed to install gcc-c++ first.
 
@JerryCoffin At Ludia, we make an engine (and associated toolset and asset pipeline), and our users are other developers in the company. It is the responsibility of the lead developer on a team to update whenever we ship a new version, and we try to include upgrade instructions and warnings about any potentially breaking change. Well, guess what, sometimes the leads don't read the release notes and that creates issues, even though reading them is their job.
 
5:56 PM
No idea how you can not read release notes
 
1
A: Is the word type able with key adjacent to eachother?

orlpPyth, 66 ?"Yes".Am>2sm^-.uk2Cm.Dx"qwertyuiopasdfghjkl*zxcvbnm"b9.5dC,ztz"No Try it here. I was surprised to learn Pyth doesn't have a hypothenuse function, so this will likely be beat by a different language. I'll propose a hypothenuse function to Pyth, so this atrocity won't happen in the fu...

 
user1804599
Fucking C++.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That doesn't surprise me a lot--and yes, it obviously is a problem. Nonetheless, density of information that's truly relevant in release notes is often quite low. The basic question is whether they'd lose more time by reading the release notes every time, or by picking up the pieces when something breaks because they didn't read them. I suspect in a lot of cases, the latter is actually more efficient overall.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Find a book called cracking the code interview
 

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