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2:00 PM
Like those peeps that draw car concepts or sculpt them out of clay
@BartekBanachewicz If I had time and money, I would - but my way. I'd hire Puppy for mentoring.
@Jefffrey I haven't proven anything. I answered your question in a format applicable for a chat message :P
@JerryCoffin interesting
@BartekBanachewicz some slightly sweltering six slow summers
Or even Pantoona
In fact I think this feature is so important I'm ready to lose money on it
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No.
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2:01 PM
I don't want to mentor.
The problem is mostly time
All right, scratched that
@BartekBanachewicz You can often find the recommended pressure values in some places in the car itself. Behind the back door hinges is a common place.
Ok, enough dreaming. Now, time to go back to complaining about our own codes.
These motherfucking flags are pissing me off.
@Nooble that's what I do these days, yep
2:02 PM
@BartekBanachewicz From 2001 to 2006, IIRC.
@Jeff how's Titim going
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> Thanks for commenting on my short answer at StackExchange...

Question?
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wtf
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...and it's usually marked directly on the tire.
In 2006 I did mostly office work, though.
2:03 PM
@AndyProwl Great, now it's not buggy anymore. And someone I don't know just starred it. :)
Cool
downloads
Also I stayed awake until 6AM to refactor "yesterday".
How come you didn't do this for the Marmalade?
I don't like tight schedules.
I can relate to that. OTOH we tried longer jams and they were just too much effort
(that weekend I slept 2 hours)
2:05 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That I really dunno. When I started I knew pretty close to nothing, but since it was nepotism it didn't matter. You probably need to show some kind of experience first if you're not taking advantage of nepotism.
Everyone just gave up apart from me and @melak47, and none of us got any award
That was a relatively traumatic experience
@AndyProwl WTF.
@AndyProwl lol, you are making it more dramatic than it is.
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2:06 PM
why the fuck does git branch -d - not work.
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why is this UI so horribly inconsistent
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know what a VVT camshaft is but I have never replaced a timing belt in my life :S
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. I took the very wise decision of writing unit tests for Shit 2, which slowed down development a bit in hindsight
As a result, I almost didn't finish in time
@Jefffrey I know
@Jefffrey hey what's that
@райтфолд Because Torvalds.
2:07 PM
lol tests for jam games
> An unofficial game for the Lounge Marmelade
you fucker
I thought it would pay back for a 24h jam
It did not
I'm going to officially publish it now
It was done in way over 6 hours dude.
2:08 PM
@AndyProwl 6 hours was too long for me :S
@BartekBanachewicz It was quite OK for me
@Jefffrey hihi I'll take first 6 hours worth of commits :D
is an intentional delay required after enabling vsync?
@Elvisjames no if you block on drawcall
but you should time nevertheless
24 hours was insane
2:09 PM
@AndyProwl I like the shorter ones most
3-4 hours
2 hours... probably ideal time-wise, but my suckage wouldn't allow me to come up with anything playable
anyway that's it for jams in the upcoming months
I'm thinking of trying the next one with Elm :3
@AndyProwl Tests have a bigger pay-off if you get to change the code they test. If you just write it once and forget about it once it works, there isn't much benefit from them.
I want to release the new hate asap now
after publishing the jam games finally
2:10 PM
I did that already. Or at least I made the pull request.
you did?
all of them?
@Jefffrey on wiki?
Yeah.
oh cool
thanks
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, true. But sometimes they also help me get the implementation right, which saves me debugging time
2:11 PM
At least, I think they are all of them. I asked here, and read the Marmelade chat.
I also tend to end up with a better (more modular) design when focusing on tests
Thanks
well my next idea is to kidnap blogreader and do a Vulkan project
@AndyProwl that's proper types for us haskell folk :P
@AndyProwl We just need a kickstarter! Really, though, I made a crappy compiler for my class last term and that's about it. Maybe I should go read the Dragon book.
@BartekBanachewicz Hehe
2:12 PM
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I should have participated instead of being at the pub quiz alone.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ow sucks
I think we can do another one in may
I got a round of applause so it wasn't that bad.
2:13 PM
hm, we could do a jam on my b-day
Don't tell me you are gemini.
I still want to make that multiplayer life idea.
not that Bartek is self-centred or anything
@chris It's an interesting book, very well-written, exhaustive, covers all the foundation, but it's probably not enough to get you started with say hacking Clang/LLVM
If you lack the foundations though (like me) then it's probably a must
Or at least a should
@AndyProwl Yeah, the foundation would be important
2:14 PM
But I know for instance Puppy simply learned the stuff by messing around with Clang
That wouldn't work for me
> Vulkan Status
Rapid progress since June 2014
well where's api
@R.MartinhoFernandes You won alone?
@BartekBanachewicz When is it?
What if I'm using vectors in my copy constructor? Do I really need a destructor, according to the rule of three?
@AndyProwl No. I got a round of applause for placing better than two other (full) teams.
evaluating how safe is to publish my birth date
2:15 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Your awesomeness irritates me :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes you'd first have to define how to 'win' and then work out how to resolve it with any base
@AndyProwl at the beginning of May
@BartekBanachewicz Mine too!
Not gemini then.
@thecoshman I already decided all that.
2:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes then do it vOv
@Jefffrey Bull
Taurus
not sure what's the right name
@AndyProwl he's not smart, he just a good rediculous memory... and is smart
2:17 PM
@AndyProwl Taurus.
@AndyProwl I was thinking wether "Bull" was the correct term :P
@thecoshman "good"...
so when we can expect the vulkan api
I need to know how much time I have with Hate until then
@BartekBanachewicz 2017, draft late 2016 though
And.. Is it better to do the initialization on the constructor itself or in a separate initialization function?
2:18 PM
I hope SDL, gfwl etc support vulkan context setup soon after its released
@BartekBanachewicz what about just updating hate?
Vulkan seems even more low level than OpenGL
@thecoshman what
@Jefffrey more or less is
@Jefffrey and rightly so
"late 2016"
2:18 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I can pull another date out of my arse if that suits you better?
are they kidding
@thecoshman oh fuck you
Some guy from the committee said that we should expect around ~600 lines of code for a simple hello world triangle.
@AndyProwl I talk enough of my failures here, I think.
@BartekBanachewicz XD
@Jefffrey that's why I need blogreader. and possibly some more melaks from the lounge
2:19 PM
Are they OpenGL experts?
@Jefffrey so not much different from now
@Jefffrey Blogreader is at least as good as me.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Like cutting yourself and getting on the wrong train? That's part of the awesomeness if you're asking me
robor don't cut yourself
life is wonderful
Oh, yeah, did I mention the latest "cutting implement"?
A Rubik's cube.
2:20 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes wh
a
You should patent that
@Jefffrey lol sounds terse
@CatPlusPlus there's new Ogame server starting
Ogame is meh
2:21 PM
:(((((((((((((
> Ogame
> 2015
Wait, what
Ogame is old.
@ParkYoung-Bae Ogame was great when I was fighting my late waking up problem
It's always been grindy and then they implemented paid features
Like 10 years ago
Front page didn't change for 6 years.
2:21 PM
During the 2 months of playing I never woke up after 8 am
it was mostly 6-7am
That's actually a great idea. Playing Ogame in order to avoid waking up late, that is.
Player interactions in this game are mostly annoying
Fleet saving is a dumb thing
@Jefffrey worked really nice in practice. When the semester started and Natalia came back it wasn't needed as much so I dropped it
Is Natalia your right hand?
@AndyProwl :S
@Jefffrey Left.
2:24 PM
I kid, I kid.
@Jefffrey lol
You don't name your hands?
I haven't done that yet
Yes, they are called "left" and "right".
"handicapped" and "mildly skilled", respectively
2:26 PM
Rapptz says I should shitpost less, so let's end this discussion quickly please.
I haven't.
I named my bicycle, though.
@Jefffrey That's fine, we won't tell him
@R.MartinhoFernandes bell?
Handycapped and mildly handy
That reminds me I haven't cut myself with the pedals in a while. Not wearing shorts kinda helps for that.
2:27 PM
do you have SPDs (clips)?
@CatPlusPlus lol
@BartekBanachewicz What's that?
Handy Prowl
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No.
Just normal pedals.
2:28 PM
can some one clean the shit of the star board, it's really starting to stink
@R.MartinhoFernandes 10/10 buy
Shitmano
@BartekBanachewicz hipster
@BartekBanachewicz What for?
@thecoshman what? they're sooooo popular
2:28 PM
What does it do?
Creates potatoes
@R.MartinhoFernandes allows you to pull as well as push
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't get them. They lock your feet to the peddles, so you will always fall over.
Er.
Why would I want to pull?
because you have muscles there too
2:29 PM
they're for racing
The chain doesn't work in reverse.
On the way up, I guess
@R.MartinhoFernandes the up stroke fool
@R.MartinhoFernandes not in reverse, when the crankshaft goes up on one side
Like, when your leg's in the ascending phase
2:29 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Coming up from the back, you Alex
@thecoshman not only, duh.
push on the front, pull on the back
@thecoshman only if they are too tight or you're a beginner
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@BartekBanachewicz or @R.MartinhoFernandes
That's what she said
2:30 PM
@CatPlusPlus oh my
it's really pretty intuitive to clip out of them
Doesn't sound like something I really want.
^ pull request
@BartekBanachewicz Dude, I cut myself with the pedals.
@R.MartinhoFernandes makes you more efficient. And they are less rough, as pictured. and the foot doesn't slip
2:31 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes you really don't
@BartekBanachewicz I'm good, thanks.
@BartekBanachewicz look, forget about arguing about clips, just think who you are suggesting these to.
@BartekBanachewicz That's not how I cut myself, btw.
Jul 3 '14 at 11:55, by R. Martinho Fernandes
You're walking alongside your bicycle and the pedals turn and they hit your calf.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Now you won't. You'll fall down and break your leg though.
> And they are less rough
2:31 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes to be fair, clips tend to stick out less
@BartekBanachewicz Upgrade to Speedplay.
and if you were a smart been, you's take them off
I think pretty much everyone involved in serious biking uses clips nowadays
on bike marathons I hardly saw anyone w/o them
even on more family-like ones
they have little drawbacks and give you a lot in return
2:33 PM
their are ok for long distance cycling, but I wouldn't want them for around town. as then you have to have spare shoes too.
the cup/net things are handy enough for that though, not as good, but close enough.
I can do long distance cycling just fine.
how about that
@BartekBanachewicz special shoes is a rather big deal imo
@thecoshman the cup/net things are way fucking more dangerous
@BartekBanachewicz WTF that's even worse: the whole thing is made of cutting hazards.
@JerryCoffin fancy. I think I saw prototypes of those years ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes What cutting hazards?
@Jefffrey The four protuberance thingies.
2:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes People were just fine without them. And without new gears. And lighter frames. It's just an upgrade
@BartekBanachewicz Perhaps. I've had Speedplay Frogs since I was working in a bike shop, 20+ years ago.
@BartekBanachewicz Which I didn't ask for.
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you have that condition that makes your skin cut real easy and then not clot?
2:37 PM
@thecoshman no, he's just bad
@R.MartinhoFernandes and I didn't ask for the tail to be removed!?
@JerryCoffin I meant the one in FB link specifically
damn it I want my monkey tail back!
Xeo
Xeo
Do I need to remind the people here that the robot managed to cut himself on a keyboard? Everything except maybe a fluffy ball is a cutting hazard to him.
R.MartinhoFernandes likes his edges heavily beveled
2:37 PM
I can see this becoming a new Lounge meme
it already is a meme
An* Lounge meme
I'm sure he'd be able to cut himself with the flat surface of paper
heavy bevel rhymes with heavy metal im on to something
@Xeo inb4 cutting hazard
@ParkYoung-Bae now stop it
2:38 PM
@thecoshman My calves do bleed a lot and I often don't even feel it. Don't think that's a problem, though.
@Tony: This is a rare example of while (!inFile.eof()) being used correctly. — Lightness Races in Orbit 10 secs ago
blimey
@R.MartinhoFernandes How can that not be a problem?
@R.MartinhoFernandes unless you are a girl, bleeding is a problem
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's not a big lot. Just more than my fingers.
I see your meager cutting hazards and raise you a book.
> The switch to clipless pedals isn't one you should make until you're already extremely comfortable and confident on your bike. But if you're ready for it, the difference it makes in your riding will be gigantic.
well something that.
2:40 PM
IRTA "I see your manager cutting hazards and giving you a raise"
It wasn't even that close
Maybe I should talk to my manager
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wow. Though it can easily be written without that.
oh also I forgot to mention how well they interact with suspension
Xeo
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Actually, it's not
if you have suspension if a bike, it will go down when pushing down
that wastes your power
Xeo
Xeo
while (infile >> ...)
2:41 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Doesn't that not work if there's whitespace at the end of input?
@Xeo I didn't say it was the best code ever, but it doesn't suffer from being functionally incorrect (other than not checking other failure cases, I suppose)
@BartekBanachewicz Also, I thought you were suggesting this as an alternative because I mentioned cutting myself, not for whatever other benefits I didn't complain about missing.
Xeo
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's still a code smell.
All I'm saying is that it's not a duplicate of the question that someone will inevitably bring a dupehammer down on
@R.MartinhoFernandes well that one is also improved. And the other benefits are just sooo great I felt obliged to mention them.
2:42 PM
Time for a Falling Fellow game
the only place I would hesitate to use them are downhill bikes
@AndyProwl lol
@BartekBanachewicz How about in cities, where you need to stop at intersections all the time, and clipping and unclipping the damn things is a pain in the ass?
@BartekBanachewicz Total absolute winner of all jams ever
It's only a PITA at the beginning.
@ScottW Well, it's just that I tend to only add people I actually met in real life. @StackedCrooked is the exception because of a grandfather clause (he was added before I started enacting on that policy). Sorry :(
2:44 PM
@AndyProwl it's really good alright
Every day on my way to and from work I overtake "serious" cyclists with pro bikes and clothes and everything, because they have to fiddle around with clipping into the pedals after every red light
@BartekBanachewicz Because then you give up and get rid of them?
Aint nobody got time for that
@BartekBanachewicz Who's that copy guy btw? I don't think I've met him before
2:45 PM
@AndyProwl he's a guy in the JS room. A FPer.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because you get used to them, duh.
@jalf if you have to fiddle with them you're clearly a beginner
Well, my tinnitus was only a PITE in the beginning, too.
Now I got used to it.
@BartekBanachewicz Depends on how much fiddling we're talking about
@jalf I just put the feet to the pedals and roll out.
All I have to do is push down with my foot, and my bike will magically start moving
@jalf I typically start with my one foot already clipped in and clip the other when running already
@jalf same here
2:46 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Is this out of context day or what
@BartekBanachewicz Right, and to clip the other one, you have to focus on that and you can't accelerate as much as you would otherwise
@jalf And you have to unclip to stop.
I just put my foot to the side.
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's the same movement as getting the foot to the side
@jalf you only have to focus on that if you're not used to them
2:47 PM
Spoken like a true fanboi.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I presume you have tried.
Xeo
Xeo
Knowing robot, he'd prolly get stuck and just fall over to the side.
@Xeo that's what happens during the first few times alright.
especially if they're too tight
How much do they pay you for selling those things
lol
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz What a great motivation to try them!
2:48 PM
lol, every, fucking, one, person I know uses them
Where's Tony
literally everyone.
@CatPlusPlus A true fanboi doesn't get paid.
Xeo
Xeo
And nobody I know uses them
@BartekBanachewicz I assume you're using "literally" to mean "figuratively" or you're not counting me and jalf in those people.
I really like anecdotal evidence
@BartekBanachewicz I dare you to accelerate as hard as you can, while clipping a foot
@BartekBanachewicz True city bikers.
woah just went through a 7k fall
@CatPlusPlus I'm going to spam photos of people using them until you believe me
2:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Have you ever noticed that most cycling races don't involve a lot of intersections and red lights?
@jalf Sounds fun!
It's almost as if their equipment was designed for something other than starting from 0
Because they start from 0 exactly once during their race
cyclocross then?
@BartekBanachewicz Like a real city.
20 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@thecoshman not only, duh.
@R.MartinhoFernandes you stop and start a lot in cyclocross, no?
2:50 PM
Not only for racing, he said.
Some minutes before he started spamming examples of racing.
@R.MartinhoFernandes long tours, because you mentioned them
in a city scenario it might be annoying because shoes alright (still don't buy the starting up argument though)
but for longer tours...
As opposed to outside of city where you don't wear shoes?
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A: Equipping a commuter bike

freiheitEquipment/Accessories: Fenders — keep you dry if it's rained recently. I prefer the "full-coverage" kind with a mudflap, but anything that keeps you from getting a stripe up your back is probably sufficient. Regular platform pedals (or even better: BMX style pedals) - clips or clipless and fre...

I'll give you this.
@BartekBanachewicz I wasn't going to mention this, but the pun makes it irresistible.
2:53 PM
That is also shoes
@BartekBanachewicz You keep backpedalling out of everything you say.
@BartekBanachewicz so, I googled cyclocross equipment
> One key difference however is in the choice of pedals, most cyclo-cross riders won’t use their road pedals and shoes, instead borrowing clipless pedals and shoes from the mountain bike world.
@R.MartinhoFernandes he he backpedalling
I think you should be fitting spaceships instead of bikes
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Q: SPD shoes that look like normal shoes

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2:54 PM
@jalf yes, they use MTB clips. they allow for more freedom and work better when dirty
SPD things go in, SPD things go out
I also grepped "city" there. No hits.
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, you have to wear special shoes
> Regular platform pedals (or even better: BMX style pedals) - clips or clipless and frequent stops don't go well together and might mean needing to lug shoes with you.
BMX style pedals happens to be exactly what I have. Yay.
@BartekBanachewicz Right, and the "freedom" aspect is kind of what we've been pointing out
2:55 PM
@jalf um, no, that's really not what you meant
road SPDs hold your foot tightly
some allow as little as 3 degrees of motion, some are totally rigid
@BartekBanachewicz I don't want my foot held tightly when I have to stop every 400m!
ITT fartek knows what other people meant
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(400m is probably an exaggeration)
@jalf that's not about stopping or not uh
it's about how much freedom a foot has when clipped in
But can you roll pitch and yaw effectively
2:56 PM
@jalf I have a poor grasp of how far that is to cycle :\
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Q: Is "women men girls love meet die" a valid sentence?

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Looks like C++.
@thecoshman About 10 seconds
@CatPlusPlus you can too whilst free falling of a bridge :z
@BartekBanachewicz Right, and my foot when not clipped in has a lot more freedom
2:57 PM
@jalf which is a prime reason of a lot of people using wrong part of the foot
1km in a city is something you don't even notice
@CatPlusPlus I like the purple ones :)
@jalf As in, almost complete, except for the inability to go through the pedal.
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, we're holding it wrong.
@BartekBanachewicz It kind of is, yes
lol Bartek you sound like jef fatwood about dicsourse right now
You need it! If you don't need it, you're doing it wrong!
2:58 PM
@CatPlusPlus what do you mean bartek's view isn't right for everyone?
@CatPlusPlus but it's really not like my opinion
Pretty much everyone that uses fancy pedals in the city slows down at intersections to reach it as lights change and avoid stopping.
Because stopping sucks.
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's like the one feature you need :P
Okay, I'll agree with you that in the city with frequent stops and short distances, they aren't as good
I'm not sure why you try to convince anyone they really need it
2:59 PM
but for longer tours, and as we all know robot does them, they're really much better
You stated why you think they're better, so that's that? vOV
@CatPlusPlus I'm not saying you need them, I'm saying they're beneficial
> jef fatwood
nice
@CatPlusPlus yep.
@R.MartinhoFernandes compared to that wobble dance though?
2:59 PM
Alas I can't take credit for it
twas YOSPOS

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