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13:00
ah
@techno from India?
It's not about "I can do this for $xxx". It's about "I need to do this for $xxx", and potentially "I want to do this for $xxx"
i decide to do it for 45k and the customer is not what wealthy
@AlexM. Certainly not
@AlexM is that an insult?
13:00
no
okay..
yes it was
it looks like a race for the lowest bid here
@techno In my book you already sold out. They know you'll do it no matter what. They might not even pay. Because (of course) there wasn't really a competitor
and companies and programmers in India tend to bill less
than pretty much everyone else
13:01
yeah
@AlexM. lol that could be read very wrong
i know
@AndyProwl :)
@AndyProwl lol how
race (1. .... 2. ...)
13:01
^ (considering the context...)
the point is the delivery time for the project was 2 months .. i do it within like 15 days
I don't get how race in that context can be read wrong lol
do you mean like racism?
and before completing a week before i had asked the customer that if i complete the project on time
@AlexM. yeah
what do bids have to do with racism lol
13:02
will you be able to pay up
@techno sit on it until you have some money. Or deliver in chunks, see how they respond (the "support phase" could become the real drain here)
he assured me that full payment will be made
WAIT I GOT IT
lolol
ahahah
i delivered the project
13:03
I'm slow
he tells me that he will pay 25k first
and 10k
@techno drum roll...
later after 10 days
@AlexM. story of my life
or so
13:03
@techno I hope you have a contract.
I'm the slow one all the time
no
10 advance i got
*10k
I like this video
and song
the thing is he also wants me to sign a contract saying
*contract mentioning about the service&support
after the full payment is made
Just theother week I went along with lending a friend of my wife a medium amount of money. I insisted on making her sweat it a bit first, and then I insisted on very ample time to pay back (the friend had proposed unreasonably optimistic payback terms). And I decided that I do this for my wife.
13:05
well, get payment, then don't sign :p
I consider the money lost.
i told that no new feature requests will be entertained
and only bug fixes
@techno you can sign up, for an annual fee
and problems will be resolved
okay
i will ask for 6 month free
support
and after 6 month,it will be paid
he also wants include the clause that i developed the application for them
@techno if you want to give them that present too, of course you can. But it might be better to give them reduced fee the first n months
13:07
i cannot decline support requests
@techno Well, that's a gimme. You did.
@techno Of course. You could decline by being dead, e.g.
let me know
what should be the minimum period
of support
None whatsoever. You don't have a contract for that.
Whole life
come on guys
13:08
Of course, the professional thing to do would be to offer support, at a reasonable price
im a newbie
so for 6 months
then paid
Just make it worth the money (as in, make the customer happy). Price is always right i the customer is happy
@AlexM. ikr
@Jefffrey 3 confirmed
@techno I think it's better to have a reduced fee for n months. Could be the same net reduction. But the reality is that support will be most intense the first months. You will have to keep yourself motivated / compensated
13:09
if I were Valve I wouldn't even announce HL3
I'd just drop it on steam's first page on release
suddenly, HL3
it would be very hard to suppress the rumours
@sehe okay... does they own the source code
or the output project
You asking me? I suppose that's in the contract
there is no contract
13:11
its to be made
and its just for the service and support
it's a bit too late, since you already delivered
not delivered
@techno What kind of project is worth 50k in 14 days?
8 mins ago, by techno
i delivered the project
@Jefffrey It inloves and web server+andrid app
13:12
in 15 days?
@sehe i mean i installed it on the device
What kind of app and server?
i have this guy plonked for some reason
Did you do testing?
should I unplonk
13:12
and showed
@techno ah. so you can still "sell" the source for a proper contract?
@BartekBanachewicz nope
@sehe i think so
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
since its small budget
i will not agree to give the source code
13:13
@BartekBanachewicz I need to think about it.
i hope this kind of contract is normal
Small budget? Holy fuck you are asking 50k for a web server and application built in 14 days
@BartekBanachewicz Hi yes why mention my majesty?
@ParkYoung-Bae it's a link
50k?
13:14
I could live for a whole year with 50k
what is the currerny?
its not $ @Jefffrey
@techno I suppose that's fair. They can buy it at additional fee (at which time they could have had the software built by someone else)
@Jefffrey net or gross?
13:15
412.5090 US Dollar
@sehe yeah
ok that's reasonable
USD is ridiculously high compared to € right now anyway
don't buy stuff from the US folks :S
@Jefffrey i never told you the currency man
its a small budget
the project costs double
13:16
I don't care
good for my company though (and peeps making mobile apps in general)
My salary has increased 20% since November because euro fall
okay...
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz :'<
I should buy a boat
13:20
get a warship
the rise of the dollar and the fall of everything else is thought to be linked to the situation in Ukraine
I should buy Ukraine
meanwhile more and more US equipment gets transported through Romania
lol
tanks, trucks etc.
I should invest in Romania
@AndyProwl It splits the infinitive which is typically frowned upon but, as an abbreviation of a phrase containing a comma-delimited parenthetical ("it, in my opinion, is") is acceptable in a technical sense.
Hum I don't understand today's xkcd
13:25
@AlexM. link?
@BartekBanachewicz pfft why would I do that
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's not what a split infinitive is.
@Rerito nope me neither
13:26
That infinitive split not is
@R.MartinhoFernandes you're right
what phrase am I seeking
it's a forum but there's one guy from the army there
@LightnessRacesinOrbit inversion? (just remembering the post)
actually there's like three guys who went to war there but only one is active
1
A: Initializer list of variables

Filip Roséen - refpI didn't read the question carefully enough, previous post was a massive brainfart

13:27
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Bartek's original sentence was not comma delimited
downvote it to hell; I know you can do it!
he usually watches stuff from the news and confirms/!confirms stuff
Speaking of Romania, I showed my GF pictures of Cluj @AlexM., she'ld love to visit :p
it's just a split verb isn't it
(So do I)
13:27
@ParkYoung-Bae I did not say that it was
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not sure.
@Rerito drop by
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I did not say that you said it was
Not before a trip to London, I need to see my long gone buddy who's currently living there!
@ParkYoung-Bae good work
13:28
Thanks
@Rerito London? awesome
@FilipRoséen-refp my pleasure
@sehe No, that's when you change SVO order to OVS or similar.
say hi to @LightnessRacesinOrbit while there
:P :P :P :P :P
did someone just opvote that answer? freakin' hell
@R.MartinhoFernandes no time to go back to that post
@FilipRoséen-refp do people actually downvote on command?
I downvote for free.
@sehe never tried that to be honest, so this is a first - especially on a post where I'm the author
You should have asked for upvotes
lol upvotes
13:30
Inverse psychology and stuff
reverse
alright, this didn't go as planned
@FilipRoséen-refp you should have asked for flags anyways
Fuck I overdid my rice
@sehe I should have, but I've already flagged it myself
13:31
TIL it is possible to fail rice
@Rerito get a rice cooker
or a slow cooker
Given the amount of rice I'm eating these times that's a good idea
I have a slow cooker with a rice program
@FilipRoséen-refp So. Patience.
13:32
@sehe That, thanks
@AlexM. how bad at cooking do you have to be to need a rice cooker :P
@BartekBanachewicz It's not being bad at cooking, it's being a scatterbrain
how bad at programming must you be to need a compiler :P
I set the timer, it went off and I just forgot it for a few minutes, boom rice overdone and awful to eat
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not sure why you linked me that thing (because CUDA+Lua?)
13:36
@ParkYoung-Bae mhm
Vector size: 1
[0] Invalid subscript
lol
Teenage Cyclist Hit By Car Told ‘Sorry, I Can’t Stop, It Would Upset My Kids’
Guess the country!
Indeed. That's an important bit you figured out. Usually, now the problem finds itself as you add more stuff back on: kera.name/articles/2013/10/nobody-writes-testcases-any-more and java.dzone.com/articles/solve-your-problem-almostsehe 26 secs ago
@ParkYoung-Bae murrica
@sehe Same player strikes again
@ParkYoung-Bae Now make us guess the state
@Rerito it's the united state of america
13:39
Since it's full of assholes (or at least supposed to be), I'm betting on New Jersey
@ParkYoung-Bae UK
@sehe Well played!
:(
bad played
So, story time?
13:43
Sure. Timer starts
my GF took my (our?) car illegally to her hometown to pick up her drivers' licence
Once upon a time there was a princess called Maria Banachewicz..
illegally because, well, she didn't have her licence on her
bad girl
It's not a good idea to mention it on a public chatroom
13:45
when she arrived there (bout 70 clicks from here) she was told that her licence was send to our place in Gdańsk, because she checked an appropriate checkbox some 2 months ago
@Rerito meh
@BartekBanachewicz Just the paranoid advice of the day :)
it's really as illegal as forgetting the wallet at home
Is that the end of the story?
Kinda disappointing.
@StackedCrooked were you expecting a cop chase or something?
Me too
what is the maximum mutex lock in AIX / linux that hold
system
?
42
also I passed the in-school theoretical exam today
fi-fuckin-nally
I can start scheduling the official exams now
congrats
I had to retake it because the first time it turned out the software I was learning from wasn't up to date
@AndyProwl it's all taking ages :/
I enrolled last summer
I was just too busy with work and our flat and everything
@mahmoudgamal why are you asking us? ask on SO. Search IBM docs. Heck, ask a proper question to begin with.
Plonk
@sehe Is it really you? Are there really polar bears in computer world?
Lots of them. We rule in trig
13:58
lol
unfortunately i can not show the code ,but i added some pictures , if you need more pictures ,just tell the info you need — Zlex 12 mins ago
Yeah we're in a Blacksad-like world
Look there's a @CatPlusPlus as well

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