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4:00 PM
That's a crappy utopia you've got there if you still need wages
 
@райтфолд Is that a fried dog turd?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes maybe we should stop looking so much in our neighbours' wallets then
 
@BartekBanachewicz this should also mean that pay is balanced, else you are saying that men as harder to please
 
Xeo
@райтфолд Ah, Fleischkrokette.
 
@BartekBanachewicz But how will you know which one to steal from then
 
4:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel kroket, motherfuker
 
@EtiennedeMartel breaded
 
@BartekBanachewicz Maybe if you close your eyes enough, you won't see the issue.
 
user1804599
@jalf No.
 
That's much more coherent than "Under assumptions which are blatantly not satisfied, there's no problem, and therefore I don't think there is a problem"
 
Ignorance is bliss, after all.
 
4:00 PM
SEP
 
@BartekBanachewicz just as long as mine has more then theirs, got ya ;)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Says the guy who was whining that he's paid less than people in other countries
 
@EtiennedeMartel its fried ground trashmeat
 
user1804599
@Xeo with mustard
 
Whining is our national pastime
 
4:01 PM
@jalf Bartek 101: do what Bartek says, not what Bartek does.
 
@jalf see this was a perfect example that this kind of thinking leads nowhere
 
So, if women don't need those extra 20% pay, why do you and I not just go tell our employers that we'd like to drop down to 80% pay?
 
I mean, I'm not as dumb to think that just because I said that wages in my country will magically go up
 
Do what I say, because I'm the king
 
4:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus Oh, young man, I think you did not experience the terror of the Chiâlage Québécois.
 
@jalf why would I do that?
 
@EtiennedeMartel What's that?
 
I don't know what that means
 
Ca sonne barbare comme nom
 
@BartekBanachewicz you don't need that 20%
 
4:02 PM
But it seems French so I can believe it's bad
 
@CatPlusPlus Polish too? :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz If no one says it, they are more likely to not go up.
 
@BartekBanachewicz because you pretty much just said that what women are paid is good enough to allow them to live happily on it
 
@thecoshman refurnishing the kitchen tells me otherwise
 
oh wait, I forget women got 20% off everything.
 
4:02 PM
@BartekBanachewicz the wages in your country will go up. Not magically, though
 
We always have something to whine about. The weather, the government, the gas prices, the Canadiens' (our hockey team) performance, whatever's on TV...
 
Women don't refurnish kitchens.
 
@thecoshman yeah it's almost like I weren't sharing costs with my GF
 
If you don't want to give up that extra money, why should women accept not getting that money? Why should you and I not think that women deserve that money as much as you do?
 
if she earns less that means I'm putting more into our apartment
or car
 
4:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I initially read that as "refurbish".
 
@BartekBanachewicz you're profiting off her reduced rates!
 
@wilx Central Europe tradition
 
well fuck I earn more than her she's so underpriviledged
 
We blame Germans and Russians
 
4:04 PM
Why do you have to make it about you?
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Hey!
 
Nevermind, I know that.
 
@CatPlusPlus Sandwiched between two greater nations, eh?
 
Xeo
What did I ever do to you? :<
 
It's almost as if you apply different standards to different people. It's almost as if you're simultaneously arguing "I deserve everything I get and I want everything I get", and simultaneously say "women don't deserve as much as me, and they should not want as much as me"
 
4:04 PM
For a moment there I forgot your objectivistic tendencies.
 
2 mins ago, by jalf
So, if women don't need those extra 20% pay, why do you and I not just go tell our employers that we'd like to drop down to 80% pay?
@R.MartinhoFernandes jalf asked me specifically
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, Bartek reads Ayn Rand?
 
Yes
That's the funniest part
 
Fucking hell, that explains a lot of things.
 
@Xeo invade
 
4:05 PM
Why does nobody understand meeeee
 
@EtiennedeMartel I do.. :strokes shoulder reassuringly: .. I do
 
I kinda thought about making Love-style shell for C#
 
grr, getting emails just when I'm about to go home :(
 
@jalf go home
 
Press Alt+F4
 
4:06 PM
@CatPlusPlus mm?
 
Dec 14 '12 at 11:16, by Bartek Banachewicz
@sbi I quite agree with Ayn Rand beliefs, which aren't to be found in any modern party. How unsurprising
 
Unity has an old Mono version
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shiiiiit.
 
UE4 Mono plugin has extremely shitty license
 
@BartekBanachewicz I thought "you and I" here meant "us, as in men". Might be wrong.
 
4:06 PM
@CatPlusPlus soo
 
There's Duality but
 
@Xeo "fuck this guy in particular"
 
idk
It's kind of weird
 
@CatPlusPlus YNAB
you need a backend :D
@R.MartinhoFernandes Frankly I can't say why @jalf would or wouldn't go to his employer and ask for a pay decrease
how would I know that?
 
I'd put CLR, GLFW and CEF into host, and then it'd be a matter of just loading the assembly and let it do whatever
 
4:08 PM
why don't you do it @jalf?
@CatPlusPlus CEF?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which makes it even less useful to interpret "you and I" as "these two individuals" instead of "us men".
 
Chromium Embedded Framework
 
user1804599
sooooooo
 
@CatPlusPlus uh that thing
 
user1804599
4:09 PM
No need for phi nodes.
 
Mildly relevant.
 
oh look zebrahead favorited my tweet
 
Hey man, i loved The Fountainhead when I was thirteen. And Atlas Shrugged.
 
buttcoin
 
Chromium Embedded Failure
 
4:10 PM
^ this
 
It works fine
 
but I'm not going to enter another font shitstorm
no dont dont dont
we were talking about things
 
And it lets you use webdev tools to make UIs so
At least it's not completely terrible like most of the GL UI libraries out there
 
so... conclusion... Bartek thinks that women just don't ask for money as well as men, and that's just tough luck.
 
@CatPlusPlus the concept is really exciting agreed
 
user1804599
4:11 PM
Can use mutable variables instead. :D
 
@thecoshman Bartek also thinks that if you're poor, it's your fault and you deserve it.
 
Sarcasm detected
 
Bartek would make a good American.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Side effect of the American dream, really.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae oh yes, if you're too poor to get a good education, then FUCK YOU!
 
4:12 PM
If you can get anywhere you want with enough effort, if you fail to do so, it means you're lazy.
 
We have free education
 
We don't. Thankfully I had paid internships.
I managed to get out of university with only 2.4k$ in debt.
 
@CatPlusPlus Maybe if Polish education was paid, Bartek would put a little more effort into getting his degree :D
 
I've never had any debt HAHAHA
 
@CatPlusPlus same here
 
user1804599
4:14 PM
@CatPlusPlus You have no money?
 
Debt? What debt? I paid 27.5€ in school fees for 5 years of studies.
But uuuuh the alcohol price
 
@CatPlusPlus funny how you also complain about it being shit... but that must down to the hills being really tall or something
 
user1804599
School cost 1700 EUR per year here.
 
@thecoshman It wouldn't be better if it was paid
 
@ParkYoung-Bae drunk world problems
 
4:15 PM
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Q: Why can Python not discover the Boost-Pretty-Printer module here?

Lightness Races in OrbitI am trying to get Boost-Pretty-Printer working, but GDB is rejecting the documented installation procedure (with the same error shown in the testcase below). I tried the Python script in isolation and, as I'm not a Pythonista I can't see why the import fails: [root@localhost daemon]# ls -l ~/B...

 
I'd just probably never bother
 
user1804599
And it was shit.
 
@CatPlusPlus ... well, yes it would, because 'the people' will complain more about those places that are shit and so places will have to be good to get you to go so they can get their money.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ~ is a shell feature
 
Off to bread
Night
 
4:16 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae night lamb chop
 
My GF told me that there are plenty of Dutch students in Norway because it's cheaper there.
 
Use os.path.expanduser or just the absolute path
 
both
neither
 
@CatPlusPlus Ok :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel I had a nicely paid internship, good scholarships and parents had a bit of money put away for the first couple years, so I made it out with no debt. But other people I went to school with came out with $10k/year. US Education system is unreasonably expensive. Not even a comparatively expensive school, either.
 
4:17 PM
Works thanks
 
TBH, I think @BartekBanachewicz is like the dude in the bar in Good Will Hunting. He agrees with whatever he has just read. Same with programming languages.
5
 
@CatPlusPlus maybe a tiny bit
@wilx dude, dunno where you're getting your thoughts from, but I just read your post and I think it's absolutely bullshit
 
posted answer for rep since you answered here :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz vOv history is a fine way of predicting the future.
 
4:19 PM
@SamDeHaan In 2012, the Quebec government tried to increase the student fees by 75%, or 1625$. They went on to say that even with that, education would still be cheaper than in the US. And that made me wonder: why would anyone try to be more like the American education system?
 
@EtiennedeMartel price of education here and job opportunities kept me from going to uni.
 
ah bastard that prettyprinter has no map or bimap support
 
many years later I do somewhat regret it
 
@EtiennedeMartel True story. And that 10k/year is long past what the government will often loan, so some of it is at a 4% interest, some of it closer to 9%. American education system is totally borked.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So pretty.
 
@EtiennedeMartel well, education is expensive, it just a question of how it's paid for.
 
@thecoshman It all depends on how you see education, really.
My view is that education benefits society as a whole, and as such society should pay for it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel imo it is for the state, so the state should fund it. But I'm not opposed to the students putting in some of it.
 
Other people say that it's purely an individual investment that you do for your own benefit, so you should pay for it if you want it.
While I don't agree with that point of view, I understand where it's coming from.
 
home time :D
 
4:26 PM
aww
 
@BartekBanachewicz because I'm not the one arguing that "people who make less than me for the same work don't need to earn any more, they should be perfectly happy with that"
 
@EtiennedeMartel dude, our taxes are already high enough :P :mumbles something about greedy sonsofbitches:
 
If I may remind you, I'm the one saying they should not be paid less
 
US Taxes are high enough. Maybe just maybe we could spend less on "defence" and more on education.
 
Anyway, I'm heading home. Have fun all
 
4:28 PM
You can what you earn at university education?
 
I realize that is un'Merican for me to say, but I said it.
I expect to be deported shortly.
 
More like miseducation. With all that "learn C++ but really C" crap.
 
@SamDeHaan lots of room up north
BRING MONEY!
 
@SamDeHaan US taxes aren't high enough.
 
@rlemon FORD NATION BRUH
 
4:29 PM
Your Canadian funny-money is weak right now, must go north and buy all the things.
 
did you include <fstream>? — Mgetz 4 mins ago
 
@SamDeHaan That's a mentality prevalent in the US, because your government traditionally gives you less bang for your buck.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I agree with you on that education benefits the whole society.
 
@SamDeHaan works out well for us, out prices are not converted between US and CAN. :D
us = my company (and we price against US)
 
@orlp taxes on corporations (which would of course trickle down to consumer prices) are not high enough. Taxes on the wealthy, not high enough. Other taxes, more than high enough but allocated VERY shittily.
 
4:31 PM
@SamDeHaan Trickle down doesn't work, that's the issue.
 
If they allocated taxes better, I would definitely be willing to accept higher taxes in exchange for more stuff that actually benefits people.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I already avoid TO, but he makes me avoid it harder..
 
@Jefffrey I'm trying to figure out what mistake you made here but I can't. There is a mistake (grammar? spelling? wrong words?), right?
 
Corporations, when given tax breaks, typically just save that money somewhere instead of investing it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
It's "You call"
 
4:31 PM
@jalf there are people doing the same work as me earning more, but I don't feel the need to go out in the wide fucking world and shout how unfair I am treated
see the difference?
 
And "learn" not "earn"
I should sleep
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes... yes you do. Look at the starboard.
 
@Jefffrey Ok, that makes a lot more sense, lol.
 
inb4 "not the world" - the lounge is the world.
 
@SamDeHaan this was to point out that the women wage discrepancy lies below my personal wage discrepancy if I shall ever shout about anything
 
4:33 PM
@SamDeHaan lol
 
I remember waking up from a lucid dream tonight while yelling "Who the hell are you?" at someone in the dream. But apparently I woke up in another dream because then I woke up again.
That was my night of sleep, right there.
 
Why do programmers have full-time jobs? Wouldn't it be feasible to work, I dunno, 2-3 months a year and spend the rest of the year in the Lounge? :-D
 
w/e i'm going to ikea
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's what she said.
 
@FredOverflow That would kill me the first year
I'd much rather work than stay in the lounge.
 
4:35 PM
Okay so how about work 1 day a week? :-D
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Take me with you? ;~;
 
@FredOverflow It is feasible, you just need to be super rich
 
@AndyProwl Don't C++ programmers make $8,000 a month or something?
 
That's not being rich
 
user3010322
@FredOverflow Well, I've been getting ripped off.
 
4:36 PM
But you can easily live off $24,000 a year, right?
 
Not easily
You can survive, yes.
 
Ugh, measles outbreaks in Berlin.
Fucking Mericans.
 
@FredOverflow I don't think so. At least if I look in the mirror, I don't see a rich guy
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wow, they actually brought it to you?
 
user3010322
Hot damn.
 
4:38 PM
actually I don't think any programmer makes $8,000 a month regardless of the language, unless he's a manager of some kind
 
user3010322
Though now I'm a bit confused: shouldn't the people vaccinated against Measles... not get the measles?
 
user3010322
Or is it an outbreak among the un-vaccinated?
 
Vaccination means getting the disease.
 
and I can't be a manager because I am a perfectionist
 
@AndyProwl There are quite some positions > 100k
 
4:39 PM
@ThePhD It's actually Serbs and Bosnians, but blaming Merkins is always funny.
 
in fact I never do anything perfect
but I still try
@orlp lolwat? that's insane! What for?
 
@AndyProwl Hey there. I'm too.
Nice to meet you.
 
fuck me Boost code is impossible to read
this is awful
 
@ThePhD It makes it very unlikely. Vaccination rates in Germany are high enough, but there are high rates of refugee influx, especially in Berlin.
 
@Jefffrey Pleased to meet you too
 
4:40 PM
You are missing a period in the end there.
Please add the period in the end.
 
You're going to get a dot in your end in a minute
 
@Jefffrey No.
 
Causing period-like symptoms
 
user3010322
@AndyProwl It's usually for some arcane, terrible job where you're maintaining a horrific codebase and you're paid to keep the thing running because it's underpinning the whole company.
 
People of a certain age range from ex-Yugoslavia are not vaccinated because there was no vaccination during the civil war.
 
4:40 PM
@Jefffrey Oh, I'm a perfectionist only in certain areas
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ;)
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, right.
 
meh no way I'm going to get a boost.bimap gdb pretty printer working within a few hours
 
user3010322
So over-exposure to the disease will prompt outbreaks despite vaccinations?
 
@AndyProwl according to money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/computer-programmer/salary the best 10% makes on average 120k
 
4:41 PM
@Andy you should (or shouldn't) look at London rates then
Or dunno, Geneva?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I thought vaccinations meant getting a small dose of the disease so that you generate the anticorps to fight it.
 
And apparently there was some other immunisation gap in the 70s because the government decided to do only one dose instead of two.
 
@Jefffrey There are multiple kinds of vaccines, but no, they do not involve "small doses".
 
user3010322
Also FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK ITERATORS.
 
user3010322
That's all.
 
4:42 PM
@orlp oh wait, 100k per year
 
@EtiennedeMartel What do they involve?
 
user3010322
Oh oh, I also learned about Context Free Grammars.
 
user3010322
So now I understand how to write that syntax for Programming Languages.
 
ok that does make sense. I thought you meant 100k per month
 
4:42 PM
You meant context free
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz I fixed it, yeah.
 
@Jefffrey It can just be something that shares the same whatever magical protein signatures used to make antibodies as the disease.
 
user3010322
I never learned how to make a parse tree.
 
user3010322
By first step is to make an HLSL parse tree.
 
I see
 
user3010322
4:43 PM
The good thing about HLSL is it technically supports less features than the latest GLSL.
 
@Jefffrey Depends. Can be a dead virus, a live but weakened virus, toxins or bits of the virus, or finally something that looks enough like the real virus but isn't.
 
@ThePhD try Parsec
 
user3010322
So if I can properly parse HLSL, I can turn it into GLSL and then into SPIR-V.
 
Its actually sane
 
my god foxes have beautiful fur
 
user3010322
4:44 PM
> industrial-strength parser library
 
user3010322
/cc @ParkYoung-Bae Industrial Strength: better or worse than World Class?
 
And the "live but weakened" virus isn't given to children or people with a weak immune system because there's a risk it'll make you sick.
 
Anyway @andy lol at $100k when new Porsche Macan starts at $90k
 
@Jefffrey It's "antibodies", btw.
 
What's the difference between "Computer Programmer" and "Software Developer"?
 
4:46 PM
:(
@AndyProwl developer might mean you also manage builds and shit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "anticorps" is the valid French word for it though.
 
Programmer just writes code
 
Programmer = Code Monkey?
 
@BartekBanachewicz shit, that means I'm not a developer
 
@AndyProwl None in practice.
 
4:47 PM
"anticorpi" is the valid Italian word for it
 
@BartekBanachewicz hehe, dreaming is hard for programmers :P
 
@Jefffrey also romanian
 
It's Latin influence.
 
user3010322
ThreadedTileTracer<16, 16> raytracer(threadpool, imagesize, camera,
	scene, bouncer, shader, multisampler, imageoutput);
 
user3010322
4:49 PM
Oh, gawd.
 
user3010322
The tabs.
 
@orlp there's a bug in the 1000-2000 interval
 
user3010322
But yeah, that line crashes VC++.
 
@AndyProwl woops
 
4:50 PM
@AndyProwl oh well, let's just assume it said 2000, can't edit it
 
sure
 
user3010322
Now I have to figure out why...
 
Which makes it a horrible word.
 
who's the lucky bastard earning €10000+?
 
Rapptz
 
4:51 PM
Attaching Greek prefixes to Latin words is horrible.
 
woah
 
he does cancer research
so he earns lots of money
 
are you trolling me again?
 
no I'm serious
 
He is not even online
 
4:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Calm down, everything is going to be alright.
 
oh, ok
 
he really does cancer research
 
like research pays shit
 
and has lots of money
 
you'll be happy to not get debt while doing research
 
user3010322
4:52 PM
BUAAAHAHAHAAAA.
 
user3010322
I comment out some parts of the template's body and it compiles just fine.
 
user3010322
Oooh, VC++, you so funny...
 
user3010322
sobs
 
@orlp Perhaps it depends on where you do that
 
@AndyProwl think it's pretty much universal
 
4:52 PM
In Italy, definitely true. In U.S. it's probably different
 
Dec 2 '14 at 17:10, by Rapptz
$109k/year
that's what he earns
 
@AlexM. cool
envious
 
Dec 2 '14 at 17:12, by Rapptz
@Ell Cancer research.
 
user3010322
He does like super serious business research.
 
as a programmer?
 
4:53 PM
@AndyProwl me too
 
> Unemployed.
 
he's the best programmer who's not really a programmer
 
Like Vlad?
 
user3010322
Unemployed. ;~;7
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, Vlad is Unemployed.
 
user3010322
4:54 PM
Also there's no SCHOOL OPTION.
 
@AlexM. Interesting
 
@Rapptz Any news on the cancer research side?
 
Genius kind of folk
 
user3010322
@AndyProwl I think Rapptz is actually a certifiable genius.
 
user3010322
Like. Genius™.
 
4:55 PM
Mom why did you make me nongenius?
 
user3010322
Okay.
 
user3010322
So I narrowed the Compiler Error down to a single function.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit found your next avatar 9gag.com/gag/am05Wv6
 
> Web Page Blocked
:(
> Category: questionable
2
 
4:57 PM
just ok?
ok
 
user3010322
bounds<2> bnd = imagesize;
for ( auto idx : bnd ) { /* */ }
 
user3010322
SO GOOD.
 

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