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> cout << "Enjoy this Oregon trail rip off. I worked about an hour on it."<<endl;
that's impressive
he must've procrastinated a lot
nah
I'll believe he worked an hour on it
if you don't have a damn clue what you're doing an hour is gone in a blink
goto retry;
Man SO has so many bullies. They shoulda just said "You have to ask a specific question, error messages, expected behavior, actual behavior, etc" and closed it. No need to rag on someone who's clearly new
i'm having difficulties locating where the label "retry" is, though
@Pris yeah, they should laugh in the lounge, not the comments
@Blob Yeah... being a dick to someone doesn't teach them how to write better questions. If anything its more likely to make the question devolve into stupidity with an angry reaction from the OP
00:03
Netflix works on Linux now :D
> cout << "I'm too lazy to develop anything else. Press either '1' or '2', nothing else!" << endl;
@Pris It's not the newness, it's the 'member for today' who could not be bothered to read up on how to ask a question. Plus 'debug my shit', plus linked code, plus 'need help NOW 'cos my homework is due tomorrow', plus, plus...
@Pris WAT. Are you really saying this was "normal behaviour" in any kind of universe?
Let's not forget that SO is for professional and enthusiastic programmers.
@MartinJames They don't know any better though.
00:05
The OP of that question is neither.
told him to move return 0; } to end. he should find it easier debugging if he does that.
Need to install video drivers though. Playback is a little choppy. (Also, no need for switching user-agents anymore. Unlike what the tutorial in Linux Pro Magazine said)
@Blob He did some debugging?
> a school project due tomorrow
Let's not forget people will have to learn to take responsibility and plan things
@MartinJames Probably not, but as he's not getting help he would hopefully start.
i'm not sure what int choice One_Path; is supposed to do
oh wait, he accidentally put a space
00:08
@MartinJames The SO response to that makes me sad, tbh
He's probably 14-19 and freaking out already
SO needs a way to close questions with a 'this question is inadequate, please add blah blah blah to the question', it shouldn't be personal with comments blasting the OP. Why is shit like The alternative, which is acceptable to us, is you fail necessary? How does that help the site in any way?
@Jeremy It's not unreasonable, since the OP did just about everything wrong. Had my downvote at 'NOW'.
@Jeremy who cares?
when I joined this site I was 14-19 as well
this was my first question: stackoverflow.com/questions/4643647/…
So I Ctrl-Alt-F1'd into a terminal session. How do I leave it?
I hate that people treat people in puberty like idiots
and I hate that people give people in puberty carte blanches to act like idiots
these people aren't idiots, they're just lazy
00:11
@Borgleader Ctrl-Alt-F7
so the guy has growing up to do, and you didn't
and maybe the question should have been put on hold
@Jeremy No.
but there's no need for comments like the ones there
@orlp Yeah. I don't care about poster's age. If it's a shit question, then it's a shit question.
I've seen 20+ people like these.
They don't have growing up to do.
This is just how they are.
00:12
@orlp Yup:(
@Blob thx
Like, in the beginning I had no idea of what I was doing.
but at least I put in effort
accepted answer
but no upvotes
damnit orlp
@orlp That question should have been closed
@Pris Yes, the question was bad, I had no clue what I was doing.
But I put in the effort.
00:17
> Don’t use a dog-ear treatment in the upper-left of an icon. The cast shadow from this position interrupts the harmony of the icon.
lol designers
Is there any story or something that's remotely close to a kid's mom dying, kid meeting dad, kid not accepting dad, kid running away, dad looking for kid but failing?
doing english homework and i need to "connect" it to something -.-
sure there is
you just made it
i just described what happened in the story; i need a real piece of literature/news/whatever that has something similar to this so i can pretend i made a connection between those two
well if I were you I would have started with the real news/literature/whatever
00:26
Needs to connect to what I described. I don't get to pick a random thing :|
I meant, you should have found it, then written the story
Xeo
Xeo
whoo, code works. Not completely, but it works. Time to commit and go to sleep.
There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding.
I read chapter in book -> Teacher asked me to connect it to something in literature/news/whatever -> I'm stuck here.
It's fun saying "There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding"
ah right.
well your teacher arbitrarily assuming that a random chapter in a random book has some connection to some other thing is pretty shitty of them.
go back to them and tell them that they were moronic.
@Blob Neon Genesis Evangelion meets your all requirements up until "dad looking for kid but failing"
00:30
great, i'll look it up and try to make it fit
thanks
wait
it's an anime?
Yes
It has a story
i hope it's not long ;_;
was hoping it was a book so i could look it up on sparknotes or cliffnotes or something
it is exceptionally long, from memory.
oh no, I must be thinking of some other anime.
@Blob It's not only long its extremely convoluted
In all seriousness, if you want to look further, look up tvtropes.org for "Parental Abandonment" and other tropes to see which works match
00:40
@Blob Write a poem that encapsulates the plot
That by definition is literature.
(serious)
01:10
@CatPlusPlus Proceed, son
3 hours ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Not sure specifically described subjects need definite article
> History of your edits will be visible to everyone. History of your deleted messages will be visible to room owners.
The before history or not?
Please note Lippman's C++ primer, 5th edition (covering c++11) Exercise 2.32 which is pretty much the same thing. I'm thinking that the OP has the correct answer, and gcc is what's giving the issue here. Any comments? — FlipMcF 4 hours ago
Feedback welcomed
@CatPlusPlus Yeah
Well
hmm
"History" seems like a funny one and off-hand I can't vocalise why that may be
"Log of your deleted messages" would be wrong
it's clear as it is
So in general, yes, you need the definite article but I'm not going to outright proscribe that here
no reason to change it
01:15
@Blob Pfft you can make it "clear" without half those words; that's not what's being asked
"History is available" feels like a valid sentence to me. Whyyyyyy
Perhaps "history" can double up as a pseudo-proper noun
Oh, it might be because it has an uncountable mode
which isn't strictly applicable here, but probably acceptable in colloquial terms
Cheers & hth.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm going to assume you're not a native speaker
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See also: "water from your bladder is not tasty"
@Blob :(
i don't expect any native speaker to know half those grammar-y words
charming
that's only because most native speakers are not as obsessed as I am
Or non-native speakers
01:18
I am a part-time linguist which is sort of orthogonal to the specific language of choice
but this is of course the one I know best because, yes, I am a native speaker
seventh Google image result for "built-in speakers":
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It doesn't sound correct to me. I feel like it should be "The history...".
@Nooble You're a koala. What would you know?
"Edit history of messages will be visible to everyone. Edit history of deleted messages will be visible only to room owners."
@Nooble That would certainly be unambiguously correct. We're just trying to work out how okay it is to miss out the "the". I think it's acceptable for a few reasons.
@Blob "Edit history" is not an uncountable noun.
wtf is an uncountable noun
01:24
OR IS IT
@Blob back to school m8
@Blob see: "sheep"
schools don't teach this
Yeah, actually, they do
When you're, like, 6 years old.
In Korea probably when you're 2 years old
:D
Hey hang on where is @AlexM lately?
I nearly wrote "Career" for him then realised... AWOL
@Blob Every heard of collective nouns?
@Nooble No, but I can make sense of "things you can count", which is likely what Lightness means.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No clue.
Speaking of collective nouns: Is it "The band is playing" or "The band are playing"
01:28
is playing
My grammar book says otherwise.
Weird.
w0t
@Nooble That's a contentious point. There's no consensus as far as I'm aware.
your grammar book is either from a different place or a different time
@Nooble Strictly speaking, the most directly correct phrase is "the band is playing" but reality has made its mark here.
01:29
damnit, can we just accept that english is however people use it? no one says "the band are playing" >.>
@Nooble I think it depends on what you mean by band, a music band vs a group of ppl
@Blob People say that ALL the time.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit where do you live?
never heard it in new york
@Nooble Collective nouns and uncountable nouns are different things.
@Blob England. Where English comes from.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oops.
01:30
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
@Blob And I've heard it in New York.
@Blob grains of sand that kinda thing?
Yeah, it's a book published in NY too.
:|
A bench of bishops. A gaggle of geese. A lament of Loungers.
01:31
A cling of koalas.
A nooble of noobs.
A clutter of CatPlusPluses.
A prion of Puppies.
A ridiculosity of Robots.
A pantheon of Pantoons.
.. a blob of blob?
zounds of koalas
@CatPlusPlus: Rightfold is missing from the list of "project tools" on the index page.
8 hours ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
I just realised who Pantoona is
ftr
01:39
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Took me about a few minutes.
How come std::unordered_set::insert has a worst-case time complexity of O(n)? Is that the case where every single element of the container happens to be hashed to the same bucket?
I bought an E-Book.
Set does hashing now?
(hint: no)
It's probably something like a full tree rebalancing
but I'm not an algorithms person (fuck 'em)
user3010322
@Borgleader You're the worst with your puns. D:
01:43
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My bad. unordered_set.
right ok ;p
talks about average time but may provide hints
@Maxpm You can legally write a std::hash specialization for your type that's suboptimal and will cause O(n) worst-case time.
cppreference.com says:
> If rehashing occurs due to the insertion, all iterators are invalidated
so, rehashing is possible. if it happens, all elements need to be rehashed, I guess. so, O(size())
why on earth rehashing everything is useful fuck knows (given an unchanged hash function)
night
@ThePhD top kek
@LightnessRacesinOrbit because it's a hash table...
01:45
i was being an ass more than trying to make a pun at the time though
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's re-hashing into a different number of bins. Same hash, different modulo if you will
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Because the actual usable bits of the hash to index into the "table" part of hash table (the bins) changes. The modulus operation's result can change if the modulus gets larger, thus new bin assignments happen/
It's been a while since I've made one of my Paint.NET masterpieces.
Yes
@ThePhD I liked my explanation better :)
user3010322
01:52
@sehe Yeah, it's shorter and easier to read. :c
@sehe Do you std::begin(c) in production?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's increasing the table size. Doesn't necessarily require re-hashing if it stores the complete hash value with each stored item (but that's pretty unusual).
@Nooble I was truly disappointed when the "roars" remained only audible, not visible.
The "roar" is closer to that of a buzz.
Yet again, taking the time to think of/write a good answer means the answer gets zero votes...
@Nooble Regardless of how you describe the sound, it remains a sound, not something I can see, so it's not "showing".
@JerryCoffin :P
@JerryCoffin I once tried my best to explain something pretty basic to an OP (was a back-and-forth of him asking, me explaining in comments/moving to answer) and somehow that got me 7 upvotes.
7 upvotes in a positive light, not "omg only 7?"
i even drew a picture
02:16
I'm good at drawing pictures.
See above.
@Blob Oh, don't get me wrong: in the end, it's not going to make any big difference to me--it just bothers me a bit that in a lot of cases a quick quip can get lots of votes, while an answer that took considerably more work and is certainly more helpful to anybody in a similar situation ends up almost completely ignored.
things drop from the new queue and people stop seeing it and relatively late answers don't get votes :|
@Nooble I dunno if that's really great. I'd expect "pan tuna" to look more like this:
@JerryCoffin Time to draw that too.
02:19
this is the drawing
lol
OP didn't understand why stuff after the recursive call were printed
lol this voting ring
mention your post in lounge and get an upvote
@Blob That depends--yes, good posts will often get (at least a few) upvotes. Drop a bad post here, and it may (easily) get downvoted into oblivion though (and many have been downvoted and deleted).
i realized my language is broken
because of jumps
you can jump anywhere, including inside loops/conditionals. the way i made them work is a "state" gets pushed to a stack and popped as you reach the end
with jumps, you never enter the initial state :|
i need to make functions and get rid of jumps/calls. urgh
02:35
that took you a while
It took effort.
It was 3 dimensional this time.
And that thing in the middle doesn't even look like tuna.
Look like a big chunk of gold.
mine's hand-drawn
That doesn't look like tuna either. Looks like you killed the red ghost thingies from pac man and decided to eat it.
hmm
noticed two game-hacking related posts this week
02:45
Game-hacking is getting hard nowadays.
Everything is turning to be server-based.
near the end of GunZ's days, some dude released the source code for his proxy thing which let him play at the same time with two accounts
you could use it to send fake packets to the game
and you didn't inject a .dll
GameGuard couldn't do anything about it
it was op
Speaking of GameGuard...
Those Hack protection thingies, don't they run in kernel mode?
They get to see everything.
How do you even bypass that.
it's a proxy; game tries to send packets to peers, the thing captures it, filters it if it likes, sends some new ones
it doesn't do anything to the actual game process
Ahh...
Wouldn't you have to host the game then?
You would have to be the server.
it's a peer2peer game
everyone sends packets to each others
02:53
That's just insecure :P
I wonder how the game handles it when information sent from peers conflict...
made by MAIET, a south korean company. i don't think they gave a crap.
to clarify, hosting it would be a pain (in terms of $$$$).
eventually they let other companies host it
but the structure remained
@Nooble Yes, they have a kernel-mode driver
wow the parashift c++ faq moved to the iso cpp website
@Pris go fix the links
what links
03:08
all of them
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why cant stuff like that be automated?
it's easier to tell everyone else to do it
i'd do it because i'm bored but can only suggest edit ;_;
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Q: C++ include guards and multiple definition errors

ggogI have a situation where I need to include a header file (stack.h) in 2 .cpp files. The set up is as below: //------"stack.h"------// std::stack<int> s; int a; void doStackOps(); void print(); //------"stack.cpp"------// #include "stack.h" //------"main.cpp"------// #include "stack.h" Que...

03:19
lol
why is it so hard to find free, open-source PDF editing software
given how many people need these tools, I'd totally spend 3 months making such open source software
@hexicle Please do.
99% of downloadable PDF editors contain adware (exagerrated statistic)
i mean look at the wikipedia page
'contains adware'. 'downloads some adware'
03:34
Is this course worth taking?
> Jeremy developed the Boost Graph Library
Run as fast as you can
@DemCodeLines its free, might as well check it out
Well not everything free is good, right?
IDK about the course but this guy is a fairly big name of CS
@AMostMajestuousCapybara who?
03:39
Yeah but something like the usefulness of a course with lectures seems subjective enough that you should check it out and see if its for you given that its free
5 mins ago, by DemCodeLines
https://www.udemy.com/cpp-short-and-sweet/
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Nice, that sounds interesting. Also I didn't know about this site. Thanks
But I'll check it out more tomorrow. I should go to bed now
@Borgleader Night.
He's a big name? What did he do?
03:47
BOOST GRAPH LIBRARY
Also he invented gradual typing
@LightnessRacesinOrbit my sleep schedule is fucked up thx to exams
I need to go back to not sleeping at night
I woke up at 6 in the morning again :(
are you almost done exams? i remember once i had an exam on the last possible day with like a break of over a week... it was hell
What's boost graph library in eli5?
Its a library for working with mathematical graph data structures (the kind with nodes and edges, like trees)
also the boost::graph library is used in a few introductory course on data structures. So a bunch of people know it from school.
04:05
It's also one of the best examples (IMO) of over-abstraction and lack of documentation that cripples some of the boost libraries.
I thought that was the case until I hit CGAL, which is my contender for hardest library to use.
> How can I balance between number of executions versus performance-awarenessicity
@Mikhail CGAL is nightmare fuel
My favourite thing about CGAL is despite being header_only you still need to run CMake to configure the headers! That was a fun illegal instruction exception.
04:45
That's gross.
What's even the point of making it header-only, then?
05:19
@Pris I'm done since friday
05:52
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Salad full of shrooms?
 
1 hour later…
06:55
Hello????
Well hello
Uh...
If anyone cares...
Does anyone know of any open source projects that are easy to contribute to for beginners?
Or maybe even some open source repos that newbies should look at?
beginner meaning knowledge of C++03, linking, compiling, makefile proficiency
???

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