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13:00
lol the free version of this API has no rate limit but the paid one does
user3010322
Why don't they return iterators?
user3010322
Why not give me views into the original string?
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@Rapptz oh god why string-specific
@райтфолд Why's that "lol"? You pay for extra features. It's called having a business model
@райтфолд Because it's not very useful for anything else?
13:00
@ThePhD cos strings were developed independently from containers and iterators. bit of a historical oddity, that
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Rate limit is not a feature
well, actually, taht's why they use indexes rather than iterators
the lack of views is an ongoing shitestorm
@CatPlusPlus yes, it is
No, it's not. It's usage limitation
granted it's fucking retarded because it's a feature for them :D
@Rapptz Thanks for the link
13:01
Anyway imma go.
user3010322
Nighty night!
@SmartDev Hint: Didn't get accepted.
See ya.
@Rapptz hmm..I was trying to find out the reason
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ah, so it's like io streams and stuff.
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WELL, GOOD THING I SOLVED THAT WITH MY OWN STRING CLASS.
user3010322
13:02
<snrksnrksnrksrnk>
Anne is eating crackers with sardine and tomato paste. I may throw up soon.
nn thephd
wait it's not night
@MartinJames just don't watch
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(Seriously though, I really did make my own string class and I'm a bit too attached to it. .-.)
Going on honeymoon on Monday..Feeling so excited
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's why I'm back in my office. I wanted to cook myself something, but I can smell that revolting stuff in the kitchen:(
user3010322
13:04
Well, I made 3 classes. c_string_view(_base<[const] char>), string_view(_base<encoding>), and string(_base<encoding>).
@Cat with the emphasis on "like we care'
@SmartDev Where you off to?
user3010322
c_string_view is covered by whatever they're trying to do with basic_string_view in the standard.
user3010322
But string_view and string for me cover the case of efficient encoding and decoding and all that lovely jazz.
@MartinJames Kerala, India
13:06
look at that BEAUTY
user3010322
And then there's <Furrovine++/text_algorithm.hpp> which contains some nifty unicode Algorithms.
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@AlexM. CHEEEESE.
@AlexM. Cheese not completely melted; otherwise looks good
@SmartDev Oh, OK. Don't know it, but have fun anyway. Don't forget to pack your wife.
@AlexM. Margherita?
13:06
it could do with some fucking olives mind you
@MartinJames heh
QF only needs to contain 4 cheeses and tomato sauce
nothing else
@MartinJames lol
Here's Kerala:
I particularly like the giant statue
and the way the topography is uneven
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Perfect...It has beaches too
13:08
@SmartDev Does it have beer and pizza?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Any good advise to make it more romantic?
@MartinJames Yes..We will be staying in 5 star hotels..So we will definitely get it
@SmartDev :))
user1804599
double cabs(double complex z) {
    return hypot(__real__ z, __imag__ z);
}
user1804599
nice. I like hypot
Pizza on room service - perfect!
13:10
@MartinJames Yeah
@SmartDev You should ask these guys.
No that's okay I don't need to be in any more chat rooms @SmartDev
Food on room service is nice.
I wish I had that in my apartment.
user1804599
> If no errors occur, the hypotenuse of a right-angled triangle, √(xx+yy), is returned.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol..I clicked on it though I am in office
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Bullshit! An approximation of it is returned!
13:12
@LightnessRacesinOrbit will definitely check from home..lol
@StackedCrooked I haven't even got a kitchen I can use ATM, (until the smell of that disgusting paste has dissipated).
who the fuck topposts on an email that was bottomposted
WANKERS
Topposters:(
@райтфолд "If no errors occur"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit reply with bottompost :)
13:13
If it's an approximation, then errors were inherent, so the passage you have a problem with isn't even in effect!
@StackedCrooked I did
now the whole thread is a terrible mess. signatures everywhere, too
what is wrong with people
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Q: how to approach learning type deduction in C++11?

RamkiI find c++ type deduction very hard. how will you approach this learning of type deduction in c++ especially c++?

lol
I wonder why the 4 in QF
why not 5 or 3
he and lrio should enroll classes together
why not hepta-deca formaggi
> I find c++ <topic> very hard. how will you approach this learning of <topic> in c++ especially c++?
13:14
@AlexM. QF like Quatre Fromages?
@BartekBanachewicz what do you mean?
@Rerito is that some sort of French perversion of Quattro Formaggi?
reminds me of this:
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Q: Best JavaScript Coding Structure Using Object Literal?

gskleeObject Literal has no doubt been established in recent years as one of the essential components to best JavaScript coding practices. However, I am not very sure about what is the best way to structure my codes using Object Literal. It has been suggested earlier before that Module Pattern might b...

lol: 'for certain people, the formal language standardese is clearer than natural language'
@AlexM. Oh yes it's the exact french translation
13:15
@thecoshman something like tri op
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm actually learning javascript and someone pounded that syntax into my head recently.
learning javascript
you have a peculiar choice of languages
@ThePhD Good, because it has no doubt been established in recent years as one of the essential components to best JavaScript coding practices.
@ThePhD Why are you beating yourself up like that?
user3010322
It's basically abusing functions/objects to make scope.
13:16
How else do you suggest he dynamicizes his web sites/
@ThePhD Huh? No, you're talking about something else.
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh, darn it. And here I thought I finally got it. :c
You're talking about hacking "namespaces" in JavaScript. Object literal notation is orthogonal
unless you're talking about the Object Literal Pattern
which you probably are
which is atrociously named btw
@BartekBanachewicz which is...
@thecoshman a ? b : c
@Rerito pizza is sacred!
you cannot just translate names like that
13:18
ternary operator, here's the fucking name
Anyway, I gotta go cook now. The paste smell will have gone and, anyway, 'MySQL convenience store guy' threatened to be back.
conditional operator
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Isn't the big problem was that at the Dawn of Javascript, everyone put their shit in global namespace objects and everybody's code fought with each other, so what people ended up doing is putting their code and internals inside of a function and then having a function (require) return an object that only had certain specific public fields set to be viewed now?
IT IS NOT CALLED THE TERNARY OPERATOR
the big problem is that JS exists at all
13:18
@BartekBanachewicz oh right :P erm... don't recall... to be honest
> the Yawn of JavaScript
@ThePhD yes
it's been a long time since I've actually used Perl :D
@thecoshman give me that unicode face you use at moments like that
I haven't used Perl in like 20 years
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Being the ternary operator is a property that uniquely identifies the conditional operator.
13:19
@thecoshman well you're a lucky guy
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm guessing that you don't feel deprived.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There are people that call it ternary operator? How disgusting.
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@BartekBanachewicz I learned most of my JS by compiling CoffeeScript
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And then just reading what it output.
user3010322
(And by most I mean "scant enough to barely get by")
13:21
oh yeah, added a badass short musical effect when the orc attacks you, awesome
now to make my party characters shout "Enemy!"
it will feel just like Wizardry 8
@ThePhD Funny thing is my two languages apart from C++ are JS and bash scripting.
#nostalgia
And I don't even know them well.
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I'm trying to make a realtime preview display for something in Javascript to teach myself some stuff about JS.
Does IE8 on WinXP support TLS 1.0?
Stupid compatibility shit
user3010322
13:24
@CatPlusPlus caniuse.com Dunno if that's on that list.
Anyway I can't fucking enable SSl3
@ThePhD I still don't get why people do that
@StackedCrooked lol, bash scripting
@ThePhD what stuff in particular?
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@StackedCrooked I used to know a lot of bash back in the day!
user3010322
13:25
@BartekBanachewicz Well, I wanted to make a textbox, learn how to manipluate it (manipualte the dom), attach functions to it, etc.
@ThePhD Yeah, and then the day was over.
@Griwes That's an irrelevant property.
@Griwes As soon as someone invents another ternary operator you are screwed. Call it what it is.
@StackedCrooked Too many :(
@MartinJames I cry myself to sleep sometimes
user3010322
And then I wanted to have the input be parsed into another textbox on the same page in real time. Everyone tells me it'll be too slow if I do something like try a realtime markdown or realtime bbcode processor though.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
@CatPlusPlus IE8 does yes, IE7 does too I believe but you have to enable it
13:26
@ThePhD that's not really how modern JS UI work
IE7 is outside of our compat list
@BartekBanachewicz Yes it is.
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@BartekBanachewicz Should I be using a framework of some sort?
@ThePhD Why would it be? That's what Stack Oveflow does.
13:27
@Mgetz Same for IE6
"that's not really how modern JS UI work" "That's what Stack Overflow does."
@ThePhD Not necessarily. I just think it's good to know about stuff like Bacon and React
I think I've used IE7 a couple of times. Never tried the ones after that.
because shall you ever want a non-toy app, you'll probably want to use a framework
that being said, a lot of JS frameworks are shitty.
13:28
@jalf I'm not sure IE6 gets the SChannel update to support it actually
@Mgetz TLS1.0? It already had support for that
@StackedCrooked IE11 doesn't suck too bad
IE7 was the first one to have tabs, lol.
@jalf No, IE6 definitely goes only up to SSL3
hilarious
Windows 95 was the first one to have a start menu, lol.
13:29
@ThePhD well the idea is that "raw" approach would be to bind to keydown on the first textbox and write to the other one. In FRP you'd define the value of the 2nd textbox as a function of the first or someshit like that
@CatPlusPlus Wanna bet? :) (it may depend on this or that service pack, not 100% sure on that)
but it certainly won't be too slow
IE6 is no longer relevant though, so fuck it
loci-lang.org has such nice docs
i want to learn the language just because of how pretty the documentation is
It's disabled by default, but it is supported
13:30
If it's disabled by default it might as well not exist
:p
If it's IE6 it might as well not exist
And it doesn't! Nobody even mentions it anymore :v
> datatype Optional = Something(int value) | Nothing;
Even IE7 is out
@CatPlusPlus Sounds like you live in a nicer world than me
13:31
followed by
IE8 is the lowest compat we see mentioned
printf(C"Nothing value is %d.\n", getValue(Nothing));
sigh.
> in comparison to using combinations of enums, structs and unions
I love how those people treat broken C++ level as baseline
@Pris still garbage collected. Still misses the point of C++
well yes compared to shit that C++ is it's probably better in some cases
13:33
what a fucking achievement
that being said it looks better than Wide already
@Mgetz seems to allow for raw allocation loci-lang.org/HeapMemoryManagement.html
@BartekBanachewicz people seem to miss the fact that C++ is a Responsibility oriented language
the object oriented stuff is tacked on really
@Mgetz a what
[citation-needed]
@BartekBanachewicz oh go watch John Kalb again... and then praise the mighty DESTRUCTOR
@BartekBanachewicz If you choose it, you're responsible for all the pain you have inflicted on your team
13:35
@CatPlusPlus haha
@Mgetz meh
don't remember when Bjarne said it but it was something to the point of: "The goal of C++ was to acquire a resource, use it, and release it as efficiently as possible"
{
    Connection c ("ip");
    c.send("you suck Haskell");
}

using (Connection c ("ip")) {
    c.send("no you suck C++");
}
@Mgetz in the meantime making everything else a fucking pain
sounds about right.
lol RAII is not about efficiency
@BartekBanachewicz I've not set up ahk on this machine, and I think my script got trashed by unicrap software
@райтфолд Can you please change your name back to just plain rightfold? It's always a pain to ping you when you're not around.
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13:40
@CatPlusPlus it sort of is
ffs this is worse than PHP
@FredOverflow I think that was his intention. :)
instead of generating HTML page, it generates makefiles
I thought I won't see worse than PHP logic that generates HTML
I wish I was wrong
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Pinging rightfold is easy: see? @райтфолд @райтфолд @райтфолд
just type @ and click on him
"when you're not around"
13:44
oh I missed that one
sorry
Xeo
Xeo
@milleniumbug You.. click? Pleb.
In that case search for Perl in chat or something
C, C++ or J? Pick one. — Lightness Races in Orbit just now
that's new.
Xeo
Xeo
Why did you answer it.
13:48
I didn't :) I joked in the comments
Also the histogram across /Archive2/fe/*/main.cpp is quite telling
Guess what I cut myself with this time.
Xeo
Xeo
Mouse?
A knife? A door? A book?
Like a boss
13:50
@Xeo I didn't
@R.MartinhoFernandes was it metal
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was almost done typing "200 EUR note"
@BartekBanachewicz No.
I cut myself with a piece of linoleum lately
@R.MartinhoFernandes A wall of feminist opinions?
13:51
@wilx showing no preoccupation at all
@sehe gonnaaaa haaave neeww tillessss on the floor till the end of next week
No no no you don’t get it visual programming languages are the future http://t.co/mW8LBQkuL6
@BartekBanachewicz that looks sick
what is it
i wanna program like that
...
@Pris the point is you really don't
@BartekBanachewicz you don't understand i have a thing for graphs
so pretty
@Pris I wrote a thing like that for my BEng
@Pris meh
it's as pretty as functional programming
except FP code is more concise and more readable
13:58
I wanna learn haskell and all, but it is not as readable as C-ish languages. Haskell is ugly as hell
user1804599
@FredOverflow no
user1804599
wait a month
FP is not readable
In fact I'm kind of ashamed to say my biggest turn off with learning a new language is syntax. I know it shouldn't really be that big of a deal

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