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17:00
profile suggests he's a grown man
therefore this is amusing
I may not be the brightest penny in the box, but looking at the results I see two things. People be either idiots or dicks, and Unconference 2.0 is in London!!!
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit your cursive <e>s are terrible.
look at all you anonymous peeps :P
also, pin please.
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks
Since flying to the New World is expensive for us Old Worlders, and flying to the Old World is expensive for the New Worlders, maybe we should just have an event on each continent. /cc @Jerry @caps @ThePhD @Rapptz @AnyoneIForgot
17:03
lol united korea
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thought about that, but they can organise it themselves :)
But does look like a western meetup would be a good idea for them
not much love for USA
It looks fine in my screenshots because they are both from when the answer has the extra spaces removed. I think it's ridiculous that folks on IOS think that everyone has to accommodate them because their software "thinks different". — martineau 1 min ago
laff
@JerryCoffin hehehe. Don't blame me.
17:07
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/Old World/modern world/, s/New World/school shooting world and also Canada/
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@thecoshman let's make it Bristol or Bath for chrissake, IF it has to be in UK
@BartekBanachewicz wtf? those places are shite
@AndyProwl I know. "I'm not impressed" is my stand-in for "meh", "I don't think that's relevant".
hey I live in Bristol
@Puppy so you know first hand.
17:08
My delicious cookies are about as relevant to my editing preferences
@sehe No "blame" involved--just recognition of reality. :-)
@martineau: When did I say I'm on iOS? I've never used iOS in my life. You seem to be coming at this backwards; you're the one saying that everybody else needs to accommodate you and your highly unusual formatting, just because you perceive unacceptable spacing that literally nobody else has ever complained about. Your profile suggests that you are a grown man so I am left entirely baffled by this entire affair. — Lightness Races in Orbit 53 secs ago
@JerryCoffin Augmented Reality
@thecoshman he's the one making it shite
... bafflement granted
^ that's subtle
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17:09
I want to eat onions. I love onions.
I love them to do my routing
Very cunnning avoiding the question whether getBlob(...) returned null — sehe 36 mins ago
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@sehe pedophile
@thecoshman so is London. Your point?
@рытфолд now there's one I don't follow.
@BartekBanachewicz To know it first-hand
user1804599
s/fiaritinessnessity/fication/
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17:13
@Jefffrey I changed val to let and var to let mutable!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He started programming so long ago, in the United States, and yet doesn't know how to write English.
@BartekBanachewicz why do you want to go Bristol?
I suggest Cantebury. Close enough to London that it's a short trip for anybody who's there--but also far enough from London for hotel prices to be somewat lower, and a shorter trip for anybody traveling from the mainland via the Chunnel.
good idea but wrong direction
I interviewed in Cantebury once and it means that for anybody on the west side of London (which afaik is basically everybody in the UK), they have to route through there.
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@Puppy It should be unintuitive and ugly. :P
17:15
it would be better to go on the west side of London
¬_¬ is it time for a 'where in England' polll?
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"let mutable" reads better IMO.
@Puppy Fair enough (though west of London would apparently just reverse the problem, and require anybody coming from the Continent to go through London).
(yes, I've already cast aside wales and scotland)
17:17
dude, shave
@JerryCoffin Oh wait, I think I mixed up Cantebury and Cambridge.
@thecoshman Maybe Canada
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@thecoshman They're all GB AKA UK AKA England.
It's almost like London is a nice easy to get to location
@рытфолд no
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@thecoshman Uckfield sounds good.
17:18
@Puppy At least if memory serves, Cambridge is mostly north of London.
Also lacks anything fun
@CatPlusPlus My time machine is broken.
@R.MartinhoFernandes His English looks okay so far
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In written English, words are separated by spaces.
17:21
@JerryCoffin I've never been to Cantebury but I interviewed in Cambridge.
It's Canterbury.
@Puppy I enjoyed visiting there.
@R.MartinhoFernandes tork propa
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol right okay
@рытфолд Can't read the axis labels
user1804599
Get better glasses.
17:26
Post a better image.
Not everybody is still using 640x480 resolution
@рытфолд The Vatican isn't even on the list. So what are you talking about?
@sehe maybe. I don't know Vim, so I can only guess. We have plugins for VS that do some work when launching builds, enforce project settings, etc. I don't know how easy it would be to make those work with Vim.
Most likely would not work out of the box
The Vatican has one company of the Swiss Guard as their military. 110 men.
@thecoshman Poland didn't make it?
ah, I now see the pinned message
@Puppy So the Middle East is also this "modern world"?
@jerry I'd be flying rather than driving anyway
But London means Luton if I want to not spend shitload of tickets, and that's p terrible
Also I just liked Bristol more when I was there @thecoshman
17:32
tickets aint that much
that's why we wanted to sort it out early
I think travelling costs are not the dominating factor
I'll admit accommodation could be pricy...
Who cares, unconf in UK is going to cost us way more than Poland anyway :/
17:33
but London is better than bristol
@BartekBanachewicz it's also going to not suck :P
@BartekBanachewicz yeah :(
Poland wouldn't suck!
@thecoshman you're fucking racist
user1804599
Briestol. Een kerststol van brie.
and beer in UK is ew
@BartekBanachewicz it's the place, not the people
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17:34
@BartekBanachewicz Which races is he comparing?
@AndyProwl there is bad anything everywhere
@thecoshman you're placist
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@AndyProwl All beer is ew, so you are right.
@thecoshman no bad in Poland
@thecoshman The place?
Really?
What's so cool about London as a place?
17:35
@рытфолд All beer is definitely not ew
Poland has good vodka.
good and cheap
I'll try to make it anyway
@рытфолд you are ew
@R.MartinhoFernandes Extremely high prices
his code makes me cry
17:44
Shut up. You didn't even join in Berlin.
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Time to poop.
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Poop, not fart.
@BartekBanachewicz It also means that (for example) the rail ride from the airport to a hotel is stupidly expensive--roughly 5x the price of a ride from CdG to Paris or 10x the price of a ride from the Brussels airport to downtown Brussels.
Yeah the trains in UK are expensive as heck as well
Whereas public transport in Poland is more or less a few potatoes/day
17:53
Liverpool is an alright UK option...
has an epic metal night club for one thing :D
B'ham is ok for a day trip... I doubt I'd want to spend long there though
I like memory allocations
@thecoshman Only for Muslims
Xeo
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Wait, so are we talking about the Unconference 2.0 location now?
what does the strawpoll say?
London
@AndyProwl or some other uk place :P
@Xeo twas google btw
results on baord
17:57
@thecoshman oh, I see. Then perhaps update the pinned message
@BartekBanachewicz The real potato empire
@Xeo Straw poll says Vlad will show up if it's in UK or Moscow, which I interpreted as meaning the winner was "anywhere but UK or Moscow".
Fuck, I forgot to take the cash out
I guess potatoes would be affordable for someone earning CZK too
17:59
How can you not accept CCs is beyond me
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@JerryCoffin hahaha
I think it would be fun if Vlad and Tomalak both showed up
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@AndyProwl Nobody in his right mind attempts such things :) I just fire up Vim for real editing. And have VsVim (always had viEmu before VsVim came into being)
@AndyProwl At the unconference
@sehe yeah
@JerryCoffin I took that to be someone trolling
he wasn't in the room when that response was submitted, I checked
18:01
@AndyProwl "In this corner, hailing from Moscow and weighing in at 54 kilos..."
Didn't have to be
@AndyProwl Ouch. That would see the start of a world war
@JerryCoffin lol
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@JerryCoffin And in the white corner, hailing from Orbit...
You guys are planing a meeting again?
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18:02
Yes
@thecoshman GeoIP! Perhaps you can trace it your friends from Poland! i.imgur.com/gYFpV9r.png
any way, most people said they were ok with uk, so now just need to see if most are ok with London or not.
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@thecoshman Most people seemed to be OK with whereever
if it has to be in UK, then London probably makes most sense
18:02
@thecoshman it was me, duh
@AndyProwl London is never a sensible choice if you can possibly avoid it.
@Xeo which doesn't really help
@JerryCoffin because...
@Xeo I see and you guys haven't decided about a place, yet?
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Hm, seems like I could get flights for around 50 - 60 bucks per flight to London
@bamboon kinda
It's either gonna be somewhere in the UK, somewhere in Poland, or Berlin
@thecoshman Because it's horrendously expensive and transportation is a nightmare (among many other reasons).
18:06
@Xeo from Berlin?
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@bamboon Duesseldorf
@JerryCoffin pish posh
@JerryCoffin But other places in UK would probably have less to offer in terms of things to do or to see
@bamboon We've just about decided that it'll be on Earth. Just about.
Who needs anything to do if you can have Vlad
18:07
What do you need to do other than talk and get drunk
IMO london offers the most, but yes, does come at a price. but it's not that expensive
nobody voted for Moscow I see
@Xeo I see, but accommodation is probably still very expensive. How did you guys do it last time, just for a day or did some guys stay overnight?
@AndyProwl Already pointed to Canterbury, which has a fair amount to see/do, and is close enough to London for a reasonable day trip if you want to play tourist (but still has substantially lower hotel prices).
@AndyProwl That's kinda silly IMO. Sure, it's a huge city. But how much of it are we going to see? All we need is a half-decent city with say 2-4 pubs and a transit system. Sorted.
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18:07
@bamboon most stayed 3-4 days
I think
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, I realized
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh, that's bad. I already applied for the one-way-to-Mars ticket
Berling wasn't just drinking
it was also playing cards
And eating
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Xeo
18:08
we also had the boardgame party!
@thecoshman Tell that to @MartinJames
@thecoshman farting too?
I think Cat's right in the end
Of course, Poland is obviously the best choice
@Xeo drinking excuse
18:09
hmm... liverpool might allow for a game night... I'd have to speak with an old friend to see if we could sort that out/...
> Stinky Poland place where cat and/or farttech come from
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I don't think we even drank anything there
I was hoping for Poland
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or did we?
if you can't remember then you probably did
18:09
we did :P
I was poping for Holand
more than we brought with us
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at the boardgame party?
oooh, true
you guys got beer beforehand
I'll do poland next year :P
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I remember now
18:10
Board games without alcohol are just not the same
who knows whether there's gonna be a Poland next year
It's only gonna get a lot bigger
Who knows whether you'll be able to leave UK next year
Mono for Android...is so slow
Good idea @Cat
18:15
board games + alcohol = success
Ugh 511k records, processing one page of 5000 takes 200s
I'm going to do this.
But yeah, If liverpool included a games-night, would people be up for there? It's cheap, really good nightlife. Cheap etc.
any way, dinner
@CatPlusPlus Skip the "assigning answers" part and it'll go a lot faster from the looks of things.
I need to do it somewhere
I'd rather have long export than long import
18:22
@CatPlusPlus That's only what the user's think they need. Clearly it's better to let them do that work, rather than having some poor, marginalized computer labor for whole seconds at it.
welp
managed to put back my parent's water account.
What's a water account anyways?
It's an account that stores water
A leaky abstraction
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@Nooble It's a billing account with the local water utility.
Oh.
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18:28
I don't know whether I add this thing to an existing function A or to a new function B.
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I'll just put it in a new function.
@рытфолд If it isn't obvious, then you apparently don't have a good idea of what A or B is supposed to do, and you're probably writing code prematurely.
@EtiennedeMartel lol
Also, I've just now realized that Metroid: Other M spells "M:OM".
Fucking hell, they went balls deep with this bullshit.
18:34
@EtiennedeMartel Balls deep always sounded painful to me.
@VáclavZeman And what did/do you think of "balls to the firewall"?
511k records in the main table, but 27 fucking million in the answers one
@JerryCoffin I have never heard that. That sounds even worse. :D
@CatPlusPlus You are doing it wrong.
Yeh I should start up an instance on client's cloud for this
@R.MartinhoFernandes is nomic dead then?
18:39
@VáclavZeman It's actually not, once you understand it. Comes from old aircraft with front-mounted engines. The firewall is the panel at the front of the cockpit. The "balls" are the balls on the ends of the throttle sticks. It's saying to push to full throttle, then keep pushing until the ends of the throttle sticks hit the firewall.
Boxed values 2stronk
@JerryCoffin Hehe.
7GB RSS
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@VáclavZeman From what I've been told, it isn't (as long as you don't have too much length starting at your balls)
@JerryCoffin wait o_0 why do you care where in London, you aint coming either way you said
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18:48
I want to try balls deep.
@thecoshman I'm just giving fair warning to those who haven't been to London that it's a shitty choice.
@EtiennedeMartel wot
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Other M is... badly written.
ok
watch better shows hth
18:50
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's a game.
play better games hth
With 15 minute cutscenes because I'm guessing the creator saw Metal Gear Solid and thought "This is the best thing ever made".
ok, so I see 16 responses worth counting. 11 say ok with uk, 9 say ok with poland, 6 berlin.
that should mean that UK wins... but perhaps london/uk was not a good option to put on the poll
Someone here thinks this can be fixed? stackoverflow.com/questions/27929101/…
@EtiennedeMartel With things like that, I always wonder if it's because somebody thought it was cool, or just that (for example) their creative team was running ahead of the programmers, and that let them balance the load more evenly, so to speak.
@πάνταῥεῖ Just to be clear: do you mean fix the code, or fix the question?
18:55
@JerryCoffin The design flaw ...
@JerryCoffin I always felt like it was because many game designers wish that they were doing films instead.
@BartekBanachewicz where in poland were you thinking?
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At his home.
Although I suspect the real reason is that people that write for games are actually screenwriters.
And so they use a language and techniques that is better suited for film or television.
And doesn't take advantage of the unique features of games.
personally
I think that MGS is very well balanced.
it's true that it has a lot of cutscenes but I also found the core gameplay to be very engaging.
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18:57
MGS is great.
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The cutscenes are fun to watch.
it's only unskippable cutscenes that can actively detract from an otherwise-good game.
@Puppy MGS is actually good storytelling.
Because the non-interactive parts do not contradict the interactive ones.
@JerryCoffin Ah, yes and that question is pretty useless, because of the fundamental flaws. Isn't it?
@EtiennedeMartel That would certainly fit too.
18:58
For instance, in FF13, a character that is established in cutscenes to be insecure and weak is just as badass and capable as anyone else in battle.
@EtiennedeMartel I heard that the new Tomb Raider has a similar problem.
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Type mismatch
expected: Map[String, Long]
actual:   Map[String, Long]
As if there were really two stories running in parallel: one during gameplay, and one during cutscenes.
Hit 9GB, hit swap, everything died
I need more RAM
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Disable swap.
18:59
Or, said differently, as if "the story" and "the game" were handled by two separate teams.
Who didn't really talk to each other.

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