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22:00
Puppy's 'no' is a CV skill
he has no gf
he's a lone wolf
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@Puppy filthy
> > your gf
> no.
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bad dog
he's independent
he doesn't need a gf
only 36 times in two years?
hm... seems like the snake_case is better than the camelCase when the variable is named callId
buh, should I get a book on OpenGL or Blender?
@Puppy only 36 times?
Discworld
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22:04
@corvid opengl
I don't imagine a book would be that helpful for Blender, but idk
@Puppy 37 actually
@Abyx snake_case is always better than camelCase.
Aug 30 at 12:36, by Puppy
I farted twice
I hate camelCase
@Jefffrey More than that.
Apr 24 at 21:37, by DeadMG
I farted repeatedly.
22:05
I feel like knowledge of OpenGL isn't really that useful... there are so many easy wrappers and engines to abstract it
PascalCase for user-defined types, snake_case for everything else
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I have a bodged case scheme
@corvid wrappers and engines are for nerds
PascalCase doesn't really differ from camelCase
snake_case for everything!
22:06
@orlp That's workable and usable.
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@corvid depends if you want open source or not
open source game engines are shit
what is PascalCase, you mean TitleCase?
@Abyx yes it is
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although apparently some big AAA engine is going open source
iirc
@Abyx Presumably you mean "other than by being different"?
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22:07
@corvid Title Case is different from PascalCase
@corvid Title Case Is For English Titles, PascalCase refers to the programming variable naming
@Ell I wanna make terrible video games and mediocre tier animations
all I'm saying is
@Abyx Let's say I have a user defined type Camel, with camelCase that'd be camel
drugs plus too many brownies = flatulence
22:08
how about whatever-I-feel-like-at-any-particular-moment-case?
Hey guys, is this possible? :

virtual const char *n_name(void) const = 0;
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yes
perhaps
why is there a star?
anything is possible if you believe
22:09
I know it supposed to be a pointer
@Andy function returns const char*
then what's your question
but I don't understand it @Ell
also I like the k prefix for constants.
@AaronKyleKilleen A consistent pattern can be useful.
22:10
n_name is a const pure virtual method taking no parameters returning a pointer to a const char
user1804599
> Allah thinks all Dutch women are whores, and he is totally right in that regard!
user1804599
This comedian is hilarious.
@Andy Means the return type is pointer to char.
@JerryCoffin is the return to only one char or to many characters? like sting?
@Andy you don't know
@Andy it's just a pointer to a const char
22:11
@Andy no.
@Andy there could be another const char in memory right after it, but the function declaration says nothing about it
@Andy New style declaration would help :P virtual ptr<const char> n_name() const = 0;
hmm
I think I've got it.
@Andy No way to tell for sure, but in a case like this, more likely than not a zero-terminated string. Rather than try to figure out, it's generally better to change it to either char or string or (possibly) std::vector<char>.
whenever I see people writing shitty questions, I fart.
22:12
(no such style of declaration exists, but you can have template<typename T> using ptr = T*;
@Puppy If I ever visit, I'll bring a blindfold.
here we go again...
user1804599
you again top kek
Just kick him.
22:13
Lounge Owners
give my my italics back and I will
You can kick mute.
Use that ability.
user1804599
huh where did that message go
@rightføld to the bin!
I should probably just leave it and let you get banned for a while again, but I'll try to be merciful this once.
user1804599
22:13
Ohh :p
I'm on mobile.
@JerryCoffin if you kick mute someone three times - it automatically raises a mod flag
I'd have kicked him right away.
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What did he do? O.O
I saw him explain Allah's rules on women and that's it
Racism, Anti religion, all sorts of stuff.
22:15
@Ell he's a racist asshat that keeps spewing bigotry and hatred
@R.MartinhoFernandes Given his history, I probably should have.
@Ell and besides, that's not Allah's rule on women at all
user1804599
Allah has no rules because he doesn't exist.
@orlp And technically, he didn't way it was--he just said some followers believe it is.
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In other new I exchanged an opengl bug for a segfault
22:16
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 40 secs ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
Hey, this user has been posting racism/anti-ethnic/anti-religious messages all day, this is not the first time, he is currently suspended (Second time today) for 30 minutes. Any change anyone could take a look?
@JerryCoffin I know, I was just responding to Ell
lol anti religious
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Lol anti-ethnic
@Ell I'm anti-ethnic too. I despise Java users of all ethnicities.
@BenjaminGruenbaum tl;dr he's scum
you're not being tolerant.
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@rightføld me too its hilarious
@Abyx don't you start
Proof by Wolfram|Alpha is a thing
@thecoshman nah, I'm not in a mood to start that
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22:22
I like wolfram alpha
next time perhaps
Oh. Hey
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A: pack any data type into vector <uint8_t>

wood_brian I want to pack class like these into a byte array The C++ Middleware Writer(CMW) can help with that. The CMW is an on line alternative to serialization libraries. I added some prototypes to your class that are needed when using the CMW. I also removed the packRequestWithTemplate member va...

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@thecoshman quiet pirate
Brian Wood started doing his promotion thing again
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Or I'll hang draw and quarter you
22:23
@Ell actually I'm a bit of an opinionated loud mouth :P
I'm posting that on meta in a bit. Just so you know
@sehe rip
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I wonder if its UB to treat an empty struct as a char
I found one that didn't mention his library :)
@Ell of course it is. (depending on what exactly you meant)
I didn't find any mention of his name on that site he linked to
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22:25
@sehe I mean struct byte {};
It must have size 1 to be uniquely addressable
yes, that's required.
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I wonder if its UB to use byte for storing a char in
Is this guy serious?
he only writes answers promoting his own thing
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Q: Is this user advertising his product acceptable?

seheI noticed quite a number of posts where someone would advertise an alternative serialization library, since I more or less follow the boost-serialization tag. Just now, I got another one: Packing struct in Boost Asio buffer, and decided to have a look. To my surpise, this user http://stackoverf...

@Ell Why not struct byte { char lolz; };
22:27
old hat. we have several spammy users like that.
the standard library should include a nice way of forwarding a temporary container as [c.begin (), c.end ()) to some_func ... :(
Actually, some of the time I think it's okay, but then many times it's just to drive traffic to his site
@FilipRoséen-refp ranges
oh screw me I wanna write f(g()) where g can return void
@sehe yeah, but I want it now.
@Abyx why
22:28
@Jefffrey generic code
so f also takes nothing?
@sehe @rightføld figured out why std::swap is not noexcept btw
@Jefffrey it takes decltype(g())
@Abyx f(wrap(g()))
"fixed!" ;)
22:30
@FilipRoséen-refp yeah, looks like that. sort of identity function
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@milleniumbug I wonder if that could be made zero overhead
Probably
ah wait, what wrap() takes then?
dammit.
this language is so wrong
@Abyx yeah, it was a joke :/
@orlp woot. twoten!
Is it possible to define member function implementation of protected or private members outside of class?
and why not?
user1804599
22:32
@sehe woot. promoten!
@sehe twoten?
@Andy no.
tweet, twat, twoten (irregular conjugation)
@Ell You mean with regards to EBO or what?
You should just do static_assert(sizeof(byte) == 1, "ups");
every type has a minimum size of 1 in C++ world.
user1804599
22:36
EBOla
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I just want a strong typedef of unsigned char
user1804599
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I forgot a good way to do strong typedefs
that's because there are none.
@Ell There isn't one. Write your wrappers yourself.
This sucks
22:37
meh
I have yet to observe a compelling use case for strong typedefs, really.
@Abyx should I write a hack for you?
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I'm just thinking in my head
@FilipRoséen-refp in the Standard?
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Imho the most basic IO stuff should just return bytes
@Abyx nhaa, hold on
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22:38
Which aren't integer like
char violates single responsibility principle
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So I don't even want a strong typedef anyway
@FilipRoséen-refp nevermind, I'll just write a specialization for void
that's bloody boring
yeah, but I wanna have it short.
22:39
welp work again tomorrow
@FilipRoséen-refp Hey, didn't see you in a while.
also I have to deal with MSVC, and I'm afraid that hacks will just ICE it
@Columbo nhaa man, I've been mad musy
@Abyx pff.. this is kinda clever, and even MSVC should accept it; let me type it up for you
okay...
Evidently it's against the rules to champion women's rights in the Middle East, sorry I didn't know.
22:46
@FilipRoséen-refp Mind checking a standardese answer for me?
@Abyx The first rule of C++; abuse the Standard as much as possible -> paste
@Columbo sure.. what's up?
@Abyx You don't have to handle VC++ with kid gloves.
@FilipRoséen-refp here
whoa, long answer.. let me light up another smoke first
Especially the second part which I am not a hundert percent sure of
@FilipRoséen-refp You're still smoking?
@FilipRoséen-refp thank you for the code, but I'm not using it
22:48
@Abyx damn you.. it's freakin' magic!
@FilipRoséen-refp For fucks sake, say fucking
@FilipRoséen-refp There you go! Let it all out!
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Q: A stubborn self-promotor has returned

seheIn reference to this earlier Meta.SE question: Is this user advertising his product acceptable? Again, it's not completely obvious the guy is directly making money off his product, but it sure strikes that he's managed to produce this laundry list of answers mentioning his library website: p...

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daaaamn, dat UBW episode again.
Who here is watching that, actually? @Mysticial @StackedCrooked @ScarletAmaranth ?
22:57
@Columbo well, it's a bit misleading to be honest
@FilipRoséen-refp Wouldn't have expected anything better ;)
@Andy the heck
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Q: Why is it not possible to define protected/private member functions outside of class?

AndyFor example the following class has member functions foo1,foo2,and foo3 members of public, protected, and private respectively. Why is it not possible to define foo2 and foo3 outside of class Base? ( I am aware of the fact that they are protected and private) class Base { public: voi...

are you ok?
> (C L O S E D )
lol
lol
yeah
@Columbo sure, it boils down to ADL not kicking in when having a qualified-name, but it's more a problem with name-hiding than anything else
my computer is nuts
let's close that questions please
22:59
just delete it
no?
@Columbo it's kinda like a chicken and egg-problem to be honest
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@Andy don't feel bad man
LOL
I didn't know you could close your own question as "unclear what you're asking".
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I can't delete it someone else answered it
lol I don't know @Jefffrey
@Andy You should be able to if that someone hasn't received a positive vote
23:01
first it was not working
now it was working
@FilipRoséen-refp I actually don't give a moist fuck about whether my answer is misleading.
@Columbo but you are explaining it wrong, so it's.. well, I'd down-vote it if I wasn't busy lighting up another one
I just wanted to know whether my explanation is correct. Of course it's idiotic that he named the member function draw too.
@FilipRoséen-refp The explanation is wrong? Well, why?
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Lol moist fuck
Better than a dry fuck I suppose
@Andy Also you did that with less than 3000 rep. wow
@Ell slippery fucks
As was just announced on the [spirit-general] mailing list, looks like this bug has been fixed in the next boost release: boost.2283326.n4.nabble.com/Symbol-table-tp4668838p4668842.html /cc @G.Civardi — sehe 29 secs ago
@milleniumbug if its your own question, i dont think the rep requirement stands
@Columbo I'll explain in a little while, just gotta call the GF and say good night etc
@milleniumbug so?
@orlp interesting
23:05
@sehe shame we only found this now =/
@sehe it's probably too late now
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@Jefffrey Doesn't mean Andy closed it for that reason - it's just that "unclear" was the majority reason. IIRC.
@sehe it's so counter intuitive you can not use self-referencing recursion in noexcept specifiers
@orlp How so? It's all for the greater good. I'm not afraid to utter nonsense if it leads to more insight
@orlp Oh you mean, after c++11 ratification
@sehe even after c++14, right?
23:08
Yeah, did c++14 change anything in that respect? If not, it's really an issue in c++11
which means it'll stick to c++17
which means that compilers will have this issue until 2020
and recursive noexcept specifiers will be broken forever
@orlp mmmpf. You "stick to the future"
Nice
what does that mean?
sorry, my english is lacking nuances here =/
Oh. I misread. I read "which means I'll stick to c++17" :)
Disregard
@Columbo alright, I'm back; the problem is that you are implying that using ::draw brings in the function the author wants to be called through ADL; the real case is that it brings in the template-function up top, expanding the name-lookup to see past the member-function named draw, which in turn will make the compiler notice the draw overload matching MyClass
@Columbo and now, after reading your post again, I see that you did raise this as an issue, haha I shouldn't be too quick to judge
23:14
Hey, gained another nice answer badge
@FilipRoséen-refp Should I bother reading your first message?
Haven't started yet.
@Columbo there's no need really
@FilipRoséen-refp Btw, we have met earlier
Here
I'm Loopunroller
If you remember
@Columbo I know
@FilipRoséen-refp Good :)
not really.. I'd rather wish I didn't
23:16
@FilipRoséen-refp Don't tell me...
... that you thought I was a woman!?
Or why would the fact that you know that we met earlier be problematic?
@Columbo nope, but I recognize your way of writing
@FilipRoséen-refp You're not serious
Shit
That is bad
I didn't know people would recognize me by my writing style
@Columbo no, and I also know that your real nick is arcoth (and that you annoy the living fuck out of me quite often)
23:18
@FilipRoséen-refp What the
@milleniumbug just in
Who are you?
@Columbo someone who remembers shit
@FilipRoséen-refp Do we know each other from somewhere else?
We don't
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23:19
@FilipRoséen-refp heh nicely played
@Columbo no, we "know" each other from here.
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You're scaring this guy :P
This is quite entertaining
I have this vague idea
That is horrifying if I began to take it seriously
@Ell the guy was a prick back in the days, I'm quite sure I can find proof of that in the logs..
@FilipRoséen-refp Ah, that's what you mean.
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23:20
I don't tend to remember much
"Back in the days", haha
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I remember that Filip smokes
Or used to at least
I think
@Columbo alright, rephrase; you still are a prick
@FilipRoséen-refp No, I'm not
I never was.
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Cool it guys
23:21
@Ell that's pretty much all I do
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We don't want a situation on our hands
@FilipRoséen-refp psst. I'm not an owner anymore, but I can still ask you to fight it out in another room. Let's keep it classy
@Xeo yep. it was pretty good :)
@sehe I'll just stop replying, no worries
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Dat Rin reaction when Shirou turned up at school
23:22
I successfully changed a gcc spec file and I'm almost certain I didn't screw anything up!
now everything compiles in c++11 like I wanted
@Xeo Yeah. Pretty amazin'
now I won't ever have to learn how to use make files
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@sehe wait, what
(I have no idea, just talking out of my arse :))
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arse talking is the best kind of talking!
23:23
You can say that again
that again
Don't tell me this was unanticipated
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That anaig
Aw damn
I have let you down
@Columbo This was not unanticipated
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I ought to learn to dance you know
@rightføld I discovered it yesterday.
23:24
@Ell As long as you are never gonna give me up
Nice song, still
maybe I should ease up on the smoking.. ever since I started working from home I've been smoking far too much
@FilipRoséen-refp There's no maybe. You should.
I'd like to say it isn't just an option, but unfortunately it is "only" one
@Columbo by day I'm a chain-smoking model, can't just disregard that because I spend far too many hours in front of this screen of mine
@FilipRoséen-refp In case I haven't (I'm fairly sure I did): I profusely apologize.
23:30
@Columbo the internet is a vagina, and we are all dicks trying to find our place without touching each other; tits cool.
@animuson in response to your deletion (thanks for explaining the reasoning), I have updated this post. I think it's good that we can track the history of what has been reported, and deleting that question makes it hard to see that something happened this day. — sehe 27 secs ago
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@Columbo meh smoking is only as bad as any other unhealthy habbit
needs citation
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If you're willing to live with the consequences of any decision then its fine
@sehe I don't mean physiologically
there's this thing about consequences to others though
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23:35
True
If he is smoking around people that don't want to be smoked around then he oughtn't
And if he has a child he oughtn't
@Ell For you, your body should be the most precious physical thing on the planet. It's not replaceable. The only thing that should be even more precious is your mind. If smoking helps you to concentrate or relax from hard stress that does still not fully compensate the damage dealt, though.
Speaking of smoking, I should quit the cigar smoking for good.
Although it helps me to think.
& then there is organ transplant ... who says your body is not replaceable?
your body is not replaceable
most loungers are implacable
@sehe *emplacable
embarcadero!
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@Columbo what about some medicine that keeps your children alive? :P
That seems pretty precious :P
Could you please refer to the message you want to refer to?
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I don't think everyone thinks their body is the most precious physical things
@Ell Yes, and that is a problem.
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@Columbo I'm on mobile, so no unfortunately
23:52
@Ell Ah, I see.
Okay.
I can do it on my BB, but anyway
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@Columbo not a problem for you, surely?
@Ell (Currently thinking of a humorous way of saying no)
Nein
That wasn't funny. Damn.
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Don't feel bad :P

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