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user1804599
12:34
fuck benchmarks
user1804599
Exactly. Let's go back to assumptions.
@rightføld nah, just write good code. If it's too slow, throw more hardware at it.
user1804599
There is no more hardware.
user1804599
They stopped doing that ten years ago.
speaking of that, I've received an advice from someone at work, saying that it's generally good for performance to avoid "template juggling" (not sure what that means), and he knows of some people who decided to use python scripts to generate code instead of templates, just because of that
user1804599
12:38
lol
Hey, can you guys try checking out something from John Lewis. If I enter my postal details, I just get a raw html page of brokenness, that same as when I tried it at work. You don't need to pay, just enter postal details.
@AlexM. templates can result in your executable being bigger, as foo<T> and foo<U> are two functions, opposed to using a polymorphic base type. I say can, as compilers can remove the duplicate code. Doing it via python to generate two separate function bodies offers nothing.
this was a follow-up to me proposing a template-based solution for a problem in a general thread about code quality and improvement
he was an ex-lead programmer who was there for longer than me so I replied with what I thought was the most diplomatic way to make sense
"<the guy> has a point, if you believe any solution has negative effects on your performance, benchmark and see whether or not it is true. If because of this the solution is not viable, do not implement it."
user1804599
Pugs are terrible.
hope he didn't notice the fact that "has a point" has nothing to do with the rest of my message, since he never considered any sort of arguments for his claim, or any sort of benchmarking stuff
pugs really are ugly
12:47
It also depends what they mean by performance. Templates are resolved at compile time, so it hurts build times (the last thing on earth to worry about really). They can be a bit hard to read (for some people), but that is solved by educating. Executable size can be larger than other solutions, but avoids less look ups, so there's a tradeoff there.
@StackedCrooked what happened to coliru
It's cleanup season.
@StackedCrooked aka rm -rf?
yesterday, by StackedCrooked
not sure. all I see is a mysterious process that is consuming 50% CPU and that has a TCP connection to an IP located in china.
oh someone got through
12:50
I suspect it's a victim of automated attack, not via Coliru.
Because that how most hacks happen.
And I have to admit the password was not super strong.
I got recently hacked too
This sucks
So hopefully I just need to revert to old machine backup and disable root password.
I cannot get hacked, I'm using Microsoft Security EssTHIS IS YOUR CHINESE OVERLORD XI XUAN TALKING TO YOU. YOUR GOODS ARE FORFEIT. THE LOUNGE IS COMPROMISED. SEND ME YOUR MONEY, OR ELSE
@StackedCrooked o_0 you... you didn't do that already?
I once disabled password login.
But then later I re-enabled it.
Probably should only use public key login.
user1804599
12:54
@StackedCrooked haha domme belg
I'm the type of person that only learns the hard way.
@StackedCrooked of corse
Anyway, that's all assuming the hack was created that way.
If they got in by hacking the Coliru sandboxing system then I have a bigger problem.
Have you wrapped up that sandboxing in such a way that others could use it easily enough?
also, when you going to add Rust to coliru?
Rust on coliru? Nope, it's stainless steel, you know.
13:01
Coliru doesn't Rust.
user1804599
How bad is the USA as a place to live?
user1804599
They seem to get shit done unlike Europe.
Who is "they"??
there is only one reason I'd like to move to the US for
13:03
Are you talking about US Politics?
or just people?
they always have the latest games, latest products, latest services
cheapest hardware
user1804599
@TonyTheLion Silicon Valley
user1804599
I don't care about politics. It's bad everywhere.
@rightføld Its full of hipsters
13:04
why can't you stupid people just eat the damn pizza
@rightføld you want to work in SV or sth?
user1804599
No.
@Jefffrey because they want to annoy you :P
@Jefffrey jeffrey!
San Francisco is nice, and the people are nice.
13:05
yesterday I ate my pizza without ketchup
don't you feel better?
user1804599
@TonyTheLion I heard San Francisco is very expensive.
but that was because I accidentally bought the worst ketchup ev... I MEAN I DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS SO GOOD WITHOUT IT
@rightføld That's not uncommon for large cities
@AlexM. ikr
13:06
If you want cheap, go live in the middle of nowhere
I'll never buy Heinz ketchups ever again
Kansas or something
user1804599
I already live in the middle of nowhere.
worst shit I ever tasted
@AlexM. shittiest internet, crap laws
13:06
oh yeah
should I move to the US, I'd have to say goodbye to fast internet
@AlexM. s/Heinz // FTFY
for cheap, at least
user1804599
@TonyTheLion How about Alaska?
@rightføld Probably not too expensive, very remote, very cold and very beautiful in nature, I'd think
I haven't been there, but I have some friends that live there
I want to visit Anchorage once
I hope it's cold
I want to visit a really cold place
13:08
fuck
today I need to give the idea for the website project
@TonyTheLion isn't that in Russia? I wouldn't feel safe there, IIRC nobody's BFF with Russia yet
If its cold, who cares where it is? I <3 cold.
user1804599
Russia is shit.
13:11
@AlexM. can be... but if you want really arse clenching cold you'd need to go farther north to Nome or Fairbanks
user1804599
But then again USA is also full of homophobes, so screw it as well.
@rightføld Gays are very welcome in San Francisco
user1804599
I'm gonna learn West Frisian and move to Friesland.
13:13
@AlexM. they get moose downtown
meese are ugly :(
they're like mutated stags
@rightføld and Europe is full of anti-Semites, so it evens out
user1804599
Right, and still importing.
user1804599
But I'm not a jew so it doesn't bring me in danger.
rightfold why are you not considering Romania? people here don't hate anything
user1804599
13:15
Romanian language.
user1804599
Is life in Romania expensive?
says the guy who was ok with learning Frisian
nope
We could go with a better youtube
it's cheap
user1804599
13:15
@AlexM. Hey I can at least understand Frisian.
@Jefffrey I really should look at posting something to mine... but I think an update the jekyll broke something, so I got lazy and couldn't be arsed to fix it.
Romanian is very easy
here
"Te iubesc" means I love you
every language is easy for their native speakers :)
"Salut" means Hi
user1804599
Groningen is also nice but there are earthquakes there.
13:16
"Du-te la munca tigan cersetor" means "Go to work you gypsy beggar"
@thecoshman Oh btw, you can vote your own proposal :)
user1804599
They make houses incredibly cheap, though.
now you know all you need
@rightføld you say that like that would protect you...
to survive in Romania
13:16
@Jefffrey I know, waiting.
user1804599
@Mgetz concentration camps are no longer in use.
?
@thecoshman why
user1804599
That was like seventy years ago.
the holocaust was such a huge stupidity
so many lives wasted, so much talent that could have been used for the benefit of mankind
@rightføld you say that like there weren't active political parties that would bring them back in a heartbeat, parties that nearly won the presidency of france and are growing very strong in the UK, Netherlands, and Belgium
13:19
it's like having perfectly fine resources and throwing them away for no gain whatsoever
user1804599
@Mgetz What antisemitic party is growing in NL?
@AlexM. the thoughts of those doing it, those lives were already a waste.
user1804599
The only one I know of (PvdA) is decreasing in popularity.
The Party for Freedom (Dutch: Partij voor de Vrijheid, PVV) is a right-wing political party in the Netherlands. Founded in 2005 as the successor to Geert Wilders' one-man party in the House of Representatives, it won nine seats in the 2006 general election, making it the fifth largest party in parliament. In the 2010 general election it won 24 seats, making it the third largest party. Since then, the PVV has agreed to support the minority government led by Prime Minister Mark Rutte, without having ministers in the cabinet. However the PVV withdrew its support in April 2012 due to differences over...
user1804599
PVV is not antisemitic. It's anti-islam.
user1804599
13:21
> Harsh punishment of violence against Jews and the LGBT community, which particularly comes from the Islamic corner (p. 13)
user1804599
^ loves jews
@rightføld Most Muslims are Semitic, so the difference is lost
user1804599
TIL.
huh? Semites are jews, no?
user1804599
> Antisemitism (also spelled Anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group.
user1804599
13:22
^ muslims are irrelevant.
@thecoshman Semites refers to the Semitic peoples, most of which have traditionally been jews in europe
@Mgetz While the conjunction of the units anti, Semite and ism indicates antisemitism as being directed against all Semitic people, the term was coined in Germany in 1873 as a scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"),[4] and that has been its normal use since then
regardless the US is probably even more rabidly anti-islam than europe in parts
so while you're right that semite means more than just jews, antisemitism is just jews
curious
13:27
and I'm not sure if you even know Dutch politics
because PVV has very close ties with Israel and jews
@rightføld what's wrong with your country again?
why do you want to move?
user1804599
@AlexM. nothing, actually.
user1804599
I quite like it.
user1804599
I think I'm just sick of the village I live in.
user1804599
I should move to Roosendaal and reevaluate then.
@Mgetz I don't really believe that any such parties are growing in the UK. Even if they are, at this rate it'll be 50 years before they become a real problem.
As for the PVV
in 2010 they got 15% of the votes
in 2012 they got 10%
such growth...
user1804599
They got 40% of votes in the municipality I live in top kek
@Puppy fair enough
The National Front (NF) is a British far-right political party for whites only, opposed to non-white immigration, and committed to a programme of repatriation. While denying accusations of fascism, it has cultivated links with neo-Nazi cells at home and abroad, and the British police and prison services forbid their employees to be members of the party. The NF was founded in 1967. By 1976, it had up to 14,000 paying members, and won nearly 20% of that year's local election votes in Leicester. In the 1979 general election, the NF fielded a record 303 candidates, polling 191,719 votes. Margar...
let me guess, limburg?
user1804599
13:30
Rucphen.
those guys are not a real political party and they don't wield any meaningful political power
noord brabant
kan ook :P
@Puppy UKIP not racist enough for you?
@Puppy hence fair enough
BNP aren't much better either.
13:31
but I'm deeply ashamed of anyone who would vote PVV =/
@thecoshman UKIP have yet to actually win any real number of seats in a general election. People are only voting for them as a protest vote. Besides, even so, it'll take them decades to become a real political force instead of a joke like the Greens.
@thecoshman at least AFAIK UKIP seems to try to be a bit more politically correct
UKIP sounds like a pokemon name
@rightføld that should be best :P
@Puppy which is problem enough really, but that's more down to bad voting system.
@Mgetz UKIP are "We're racists, but we realize we ought to pretend that we're not so people vote for us more and we don't get kicked out"
13:32
@Puppy so they are like the US Republican Party
@Mgetz They try to put a PC front to it, but they are racist.
3 years after moving to a bigger place than my hometown I want to move again
so moving to a bigger city in your country might be just a temporary solution
but that depends on you
@AlexM. UK Independence Party. I think they started out with a fairly reason view that UK should reverse it's merging with the EU, it's since devolved into a plain anti-nonEnglish
the problem with joining or leaving the EU is that there are so many effects which cannot be accurately quantified, it's really impossible to know what would happen.
but the issue for us is less our relationship with the EU and more our incessant toadying to the US
@Puppy which is dumb, as toadying to us is asking to get left holding the bag for something shitty
13:35
which is exactly what has happened repeatedly
and they still didn't learn?
ouch
apparently not.
the thing is
I kinda feel like people have just lost their drive to co-operate and get along and make the world a better place
user1804599
I should vote GreenLeft if only to troll the society.
I woke up in a train in Zeuthen, wherever yhat is. I think I might have chosen the wrong direction.
What's up?
where were you trying to go?
@R.MartinhoFernandes you slept on a train? Who knows what country you are in now!
13:50
says here that Zeuthen is right in the southeast corner of Berlin
That place is hardly even in Berlin!
There are woods on both sides of the rails.
yeah, it's basically a forest.
it's next to berlin schonefeld airport
oh I know that airport
that's like an hour out of town isn't it?
13:52
This makes no sense.
don't you even check the train departs the right dirrection?
I took the Ringbahn, I'm sure.
But this is not in it.
I trust the train to go to the right place more than you getting the right train.
robots "getting lost" circuitry works a little too well
The Ringbahn is confusing because the directions are "clockwise" and "counterclockwise"
Either one would get me home, it just takes longer.
WTF there isn't even a train to get here from the place I was at.
13:55
lol
it was probably a train that terminated at a given station and was then re-used for another service
I guess I missed some warning to change trains and they took it somewhere for maintenance.
I had a weird night.
And now the day starts weird too.
Wait... when did you leave where ever you left?
About an hour ago.
I slept at a friend's place.
oh right
14:01
any way... so I brought the lady a digital pattern... thinking I might 'give' it to here via USB stick... or maybe do it via a QR code to a 'public' link... or maybe just QR code to a static page saying I got it for her...
What is that?
it's a cross stitch pattern
I want to give it to her in some physical way... of, xmas gift btw :P
I have no idea what you are talking about to be honest.
But I'm not feeling very bright today, so don't mind me.
Hmm. Now the train back to civilisation ended at Schöneweide for some kind of reason. :S
I got a her a cross stitch (needle work) pattern for a christmas gift, but not sure how to 'gift' it to her.
Think a USB stick with it works best...
14:10
Oh.
I took the S46 not the Ringbahn. I didn't even know this existed. That explains everything.
@thecoshman but how will she know what it is?
user1804599
I need a galaxy.
@R.MartinhoFernandes a little card in a box with it I guess... or let her wait till she opens the USB stick...
@R.MartinhoFernandes "You" explains it all :P
user1804599
And a quantum computer.
@rightføld The galaxy is on Orion's belt.
14:44
I like cats

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