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8:00 AM
Credit card company: What's your mother's maiden name? Me: Donkey Kong Bumper Boat. Them: Uh, yes. What? Me: I'm in security.
 
:)
I always forget what I answered to those unsecurity questions.
 
"What's your mother's maiden name?" ... "How the fuck should I know - my father didn't even know".
 
I always answer "pornhub"
 
@MartinJames I don't see the error. Yet — sehe 1 min ago
Formatting is key
 
I don't know how to name my exception type. :<
AttemptToDeleteRootUserError :v
 
8:04 AM
@PolymorphicPotato Yup me too.
 
@sehe It's not an error message, but just progress? Fuck me, wots wrong with 'Installed OK'?
 
@sehe "make keeps sending me mail!"
2
 
@MartinJames who cares. It's make anyways
 
@LucDanton lol
 
8:05 AM
terrible questions be terrible
 
@sehe Oh... OK. I just saw the wall of messages and assumed an error, my bad:)
 
@TonyTheLion Who upvoted that shit.
 
@PolymorphicPotato not me
 
Whаt have you tried? — Polymorphic Potato just now
Cyrillic #yolo
 
8:08 AM
@PolymorphicPotato Gosh that's pretty ... lame of them to not detect
 
It's lame they are such fuckers to even try.
 
> Alternatively, that blog is about credit cards having uploaded naked selfies onto Point-of-Sale terminals that are then stolen by malware (ok...)
 
@PolymorphicPotato Ugh.
Will "please post the error message" also get that soon?
 
@Griwes Of course not.
 
I should make a plugin that automatically detects that popup, replaces one of the characters by a look-alike and then tries again, and post that on Stack Apps.
 
8:22 AM
@PolymorphicPotato why wait for the popup
@PolymorphicPotato It makes sense to discourage repeated blurts of the same responses if that's already the site policy. The desired response, instead, is to close the question ("on hold", remember) with appropriate reason
 
@sehe Given the path SE is following, I would not be surprised.
 
@sehe I don't want to do it on all comments.
 
@sehe To automagically detect new "comment bans".
 
@Griwes Just remap some keys. Done
 
Crap.
56 secs ago, by Polymorphic Potato
@sehe I don't want to do it on all comments.
 
8:23 AM
:18653929 You're contradicting yourself. You don't like thing X, yet you wish to know everything about them?
@Griwes Yeah. Interesting wish. Just... Deal with it already or go to meta.
 
YIL that 'swinging out of a supermarket parking space' and 'sticking your free arm through the spokes of the steering wheel to change the setting of the trip computer' cannot be done concurrently without hurting your arm/hand, jamming the steering and risking a crash.

Now I have to go find the specs I use for driving - they flew off somewhere when I slammed on the brakes just before ploughing into an Audi two spaces down on Tesco:(
 
@MartinJames Interesting. I've had this suspicion for some time!
@MartinJames I hate it when there's no spec :)
I also reach through the spokes, but I -do- always think ahead of time where the wheel might be turning soon (I only reach through to engage windscreen wipers and/or the "direction blinkers" (cléateur))
 
@sehe OK, I was a moron, but these things happen when you are driving on a background thread:)
 
@MartinJames Driving should always be on foreground!
 
@MartinJames Which is the problem: you can't put driving on a background thread. Especially not when "swinging" out of a parking space (kids, shopping carts on slight slopes, the works)
 
8:37 AM
@VáclavZeman Driving, yes indeed. Operating the controls, as a sub-task, is sorta a background thing, and can go wrong:(
@sehe Oh - don't get me wrong - that stuff, like looking both ways, scanning for pedestrians etc. I did just fine. It was the sneaky interaction of controls that undid me..
 
@MartinJames You are just a man, not a woman, you cannot do two things at once. :)
 
@MartinJames erm. So... you did all the routines, but the processing was on a background thread?
@VáclavZeman You mean, can't think and drive :)
 
Python's datetime library is so horrible, wtf.
 
@sehe lol
 
@PolymorphicPotato Tell us more
 
8:40 AM
> Fortunately, Python datetimes can be made time zone aware, by supplying an instance of tzinfo in the constructor. Unfortunately enough, the Python standard library does not provide any concrete implementations.
Epic fail.
 
@PolymorphicPotato So it will not work anyway because it is completely untested. :)
 
> There are two kinds of date and time objects: “naive” and “aware”.
And guess what, naive and aware datetimes are of the same data type.
And there are too many default arguments which make code very obscure.
 
8:56 AM
> Fortunately, Python datetimes can be made awarzone
@PolymorphicPotato Exactly as .NET BCL with it's DateTimeKind AFAIR
 
And I cannot find any Noda Time port for Python.
IronPython :F
 
Ouch
That would appear to introduce more issues than it solves
 
Disaster #2. Yesterday, I asked Anne, (who was going shopping in Burton), to see if she could spot a 100ml bottle of sun oil, mebbe factor 6. I forgot to add 'that does not smell so much like coconut oil that I will be embarrassed to go into any bar'. Now I have to go out and find some acceptable-smelling oil and swap it out into the 'coconut' bottle so Anne doesn't know her time was wasted:(
 
Speaking of dates and times.
I should continue working on my GC rather than playing Minecraft tonight.
 
9:07 AM
Sure thing.
 
I fixed a bug where allocating memory for an object invalidated all existing pointers, lol.
 
Mind blown. I've used Boost Accumulator quite some deal, and never picked up that it supports non-scalar sample types. — sehe just now
 
I also want a Joda-Money port for Python. :<
Oh wow it exists.
 
Heh - I got 'Nice Question' badge on meta for a Q. put on hold:)
 
@MartinJames brillant
What is a "gravitationally-challenged Parking Enforcement Officer" by the way
 
9:22 AM
Fat cop.
Good cop, fat cop.
3
 
Xeo
lol
 
@sehe That fat bastard down town who hates me. He ticketed me when my car would not move 'cos snow and ice.
 
@MartinJames just sprinkle yourself with lime and people will assume you were making pina-coladas </joke>
 
@Mgetz I don't think they appreciate pina-coladas in the kind of waterfront bars I usually frequent:)
 
@MartinJames I think that's the wrong drink anyway...
 
9:34 AM
@Mgetz I wouldn't know - I rarely get past saying 'large beer', pointing at appropriate pump and making a 'large' hand-gesture.
 
@MartinJames that sounds almost american of you...
 
@Mgetz I'm trying to think of an appropriate reply to that. So far, I'se agot nuthin'
 
@MartinJames eh, not really worth a reply other than to lament the horrors the 1970s did to america's german beer drinking/making heritage
 
@Mgetz I must watch 'Beerfest' again:)
 
@MartinJames is that about the convention held in Denver? That gets quite annoying... as someone who works in downtown Denver and takes the train in, dealing with tipsy or drunks on the train home is not fun.
 
9:42 AM
This sounds really sketchy. If you mean, it's not well documented and you'll just have to roll your own, that sounds like more of a comment to me — sehe 12 secs ago
 
@Mgetz Not Denver convention, not remotely:) I do have some recent experience of drunks on a train, however, (Loungers:).
Fuck it, I have to stop Lounging around and start doing stuff.
OK, looks like war with France again:
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/Calais-mayor-threatens-blockade-port/story-22869443-detail/story.html
 
@MartinJames I can imagine the email from the president of france now...
 
@Mgetz I don't want war with France ATM 'cos a no-fly-zone would make it more difficult to get the the Spanish/Portuguese beaches.
 
@MartinJames you're stereotyping yourself, also I was mostly referring to the president of France emailing the mayor going "Non!"
 
@Mgetz lol
I don't get it anyway. I always thought that blockades were supposed to be enforced against enemy ports, not your own:)
 
10:01 AM
@MartinJames I think the mayor of Calais is forgetting that without the tourism they are threatening to block... Calais has very little economy
 
@Mgetz It's true that many UK citizens would be considerably inconvenienced by the unavailability of booze-cruises, (and income from container traffic etc).
 
@MartinJames inconvenienced yes, out of a job no. The shopkeepers in Calais itself however, will notice the pinch a lot more.
 
@Mgetz Yes:((
 
@CatPlusPlus So I think I'll do something like this gist.github.com/anonymous/0b71f5580af1652708d7. /cc @Rapptz @ThePhD @Luc @Jerry
 
Why are there so many flags from [iOS][Android]? Hve they not enough phone calls to make?
3
 
10:07 AM
@Borgleader MSVC?
The quantization seems like a resolution artifact.
Maybe I need to tune that a bit to reduce such effects.
Also, I should use fiddles too instead of hosting that stuff myself.
 
Xeo
haha
 
haha potato reportedly working on jefff's machine
 
lol there's a storm outside and one of my neighbor's chickens was brought in our yard by the wind
the thing just took shelter near one of our trees and started eating grass
 
@AlexM. finders keepers?
 
@Mgetz nah too much work to keep chickens, we'll give it back asap
 
10:20 AM
@AlexM. Yesterday I've played the funniest lol matches since a long time
we played co-op vs ai, but still... 49/4/7
 
@AlexM. point taken, not worth starting a feud over livestock
 
@BartekBanachewicz two matches ago I had 23/0/? and then I looked at another lane to see if someone needed my ulti
and didn't notice I was being ganked
oh well
 
@MartinJames phone hacking of course
 
I gotta tell you I thought Katarina is the best anti-bot champion
 
it was frustrating but until the end of the match I died 2 times
 
10:23 AM
but Nidalee wins hands on
 
the other players were really bad
when you consider I was left alone to push mid
 
split-pushing is a thing you know :P
 
there was a Brand there who only knew how to not do anything
 
except yeah I guess you'll be matched with pretty terrible peeps
 
it was still fun
I got an ace for the team
 
10:28 AM
lol that build
that's... not very effective :P
 
most likely
I didn't know what to do with the gold and I was just buying things that gave me damage and speed at random
 
you should get Infinity Edge if you're going for crits
 
as fast as possible so I can get back to killing stuff
 
that's funny too
 
there is no wards stolen
also I can hear the bandicoot outside, stealing the chicken feed most likely
 
10:35 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tangential but apparently for pasting you have to do the #define PASTE( a ) #a dance (and you can add another level to that for expansion+pasting etc.).
 
Stringizing, you mean?
There's no token pasting there.
 
Ya sorry. I never remember the names of those tricks, takes me hours to find them back, even when poring over the Boost.PP docs :(
 
I need coffee - I can not do instant coffee again tomorrow morning ... I am a coffee addict, I need real coffee
meaning I am off 2 the super market to get ground coffee
 
std::initializer_list's size() is supposedly constexpr
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Your comment has a dagger.
Which means it's a 'controversial comment'.
i.e. lots of downvotes and upvotes.
 
10:47 AM
How can you see that?
 
it's an opt-in setting
it's kind of buggy, hence opt-in.
Sometimes it appears/disappears
you can find it under preferences
 
LOL, TIL my bugreport is #1 on reddit's cpp
 
I should contribute more to OS
 
BTW
Do you guys see the crappy code blocks or just me?
it's as if someone wrapped it with ` in markdown.
> In the proposal of C++11 standard (also known as TR1)
 
Xeo
Damn massages are awesome
 
10:53 AM
@Xeo true
 
@Rapptz yes it is horrible
 
@Rapptz absolutely bad
 
@Xeo Especially prostate massages.
 
Great.
Found a bug in asio.
 
Kill it with fire!
 
10:56 AM
If you async read from a serial port and destroy the io_service before closing the serial port, its destructor hangs waiting for a read.
 
I wonder if my latest problem is also a ghc bug
combinePairs :: (ToJSON a, ToJSON b) => [(a,b)] -> [Object]
combinePairs = map (\(a,b) -> (toJSON a) `unionObjects` (toJSON b))
when I remove the signature, the first line binds directly to first use
Potato\Web\Serialization.hs:19:39:
    Couldn't match type `Unit' with `City'
    Expected type: [(Point, City)]
      Actual type: [(Point, Unit)]
    In the first argument of `combinePairs', namely `units'
    In the second argument of `(.=)', namely `combinePairs units'
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes isn't the io_service supposed to outlive all of those things?
 
I've no idea if that's something that ought to happen. What do you think?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That’s odd. Meaning run does something the destructor doesn’t? :s
 
Ell
I thought io_service was supposed to outlive everything also
 
11:00 AM
maybe I should ask on SO
but I am not sure how to make an SSCCE out of it
 
> [C++] Is there a way to increase the size of a dynamically allocated array once it has been created? (self.learnprogramming)
 
@Rapptz Immutability or bust
 
rip
 
Ell
or you're supposed to call stop() before you destruct or something idk
 
btw
4
Q: Why do C++ data structures for graphs hide contiguous integer indices?

Max FlowData structures for directed and undirected graphs are of fundamental importance. Well-known and widely-used implementations such as the Boost Graph Library and Lemon are designed such that the contiguous integer indices of nodes and edges are not exposed to the user via the interface. Instead, ...

@Ell eww
 
11:04 AM
@Ell stop doesn’t synchronise. If you have other threads running run(), then you have a race condition. I expect the destructor to synchronise one way or the other.
 
Ell
Ohh I see
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the guy failed both of his exams and now started studying for real for the next try
 
okay done both plane checkins
at least they allow doing that earlier not like airberlin :V
 
I made the right choice I guess
 
@AlexM. ouch
@AlexM. certainly
he might have been programming a plane I am going to fly on
I'd rather see him retake the exam :S
 
11:14 AM
I wonder whether Python has something like snd.
The lambda in sorted(locale.currencies.items(), key=lambda c: c[1]) is ugly. :v
 
ew
yeah python isn't the most language language on the planet that's for sure
 
functools.partial(operator.itemgetter, 1) XD
 
I'm going to leave this to show what happens if you produce written content before morning coffee (I meant elegant)
Also I'm betatesting a Starbucks coffee right now :D
#hipster
 
@BartekBanachewicz do you use push to talk in teamspeak?
 
@AlexM. voice level detection
it's too cumbersome to press anything
 
11:17 AM
I'm wondering if that won't cause issues as the microphone seems to be built-in on the laptop, so it may catch noise from the speakers and fan
 
@AlexM. a) it's about SNR
b) depends on the quality of the laptop (it's about SNR :P)
 
Ohhh wait.
Just operator.itemgetter(1), duh.
Neat sorted(locale.currencies.items(), key=operator.itemgetter(1)).
 
I wonder if we'll ever get GPUs that will have as many shading units as pixels
or dunno, an (one) order of magnitude less.
 
display resolution doesn't seem to be increasing at anywhere near the rate of shading power
so I'd think so
 
@Puppy but it's 3 orders of magnitude now
 
11:22 AM
compared to Moore's Law, that's not very much.
 
4K is around 6MP right
 
I don't think that most people game at 4K.
the normal is 1080p, which IIRC is about 2MP.
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's not hipster, to be hipster you'd have to brew it yourself having bought the beans from a very small roaster that nobody has heard of. The beans would have to be fair trade etc. etc.
 
but either way, that difference is not tremendously large on the scale of Moore's Law.
so unless Moore's Law comes screeching to a halt, which is not really impossible, I can state with confidence that it will happen.
1000 difference is only 2^10.
 
@Mgetz well they are fair trade :D
@Puppy very soon, really. Phones have 1080p right now.
And phones have what, 4.7"-5" screens?
 
11:24 AM
@BartekBanachewicz you're also missing the required hipster beard
 
@Mgetz genes :( :( :(
but I've acquired a lot of hipster equipment lately
a smartwatch, a leather bag, a custom-made laptop case
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know, I swear hipsters must use something to grow hobo beards like they do
 
but I don't have a macbook or iphone so it's still meh
 
@BartekBanachewicz compensating for absense of gf?
 
yes "absense" is the right word incidentally :P
 
11:27 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I get annoying echos that I can't fix
fuck this
 
I've always liked expensive electronic gadgets
 
I'll go back to runescape
 
expensive electronic gadgets that I can wear on myself are even cooler
@AlexM. suck. You'd need headphones then
Well nothing beats a proper desktop for gaming IME.
I am using my Logitech webcam as mic right now and it works really great
though obviously I have to turn the speakers down a bit
 
@BartekBanachewicz fortunately, it's a lot easier for vendors to make their gadgets expensive than to make them actually worthwhile :)
 
It's been a few days since I last said fuck qt, right?
 
11:32 AM
possibly
 
because fuck qt
 
I haven't heard you say it recently
fuck software
dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnn
 
Let's play a game. Suppose you want to create a new file. If the file already exists, you want an error to be reported.
Do you think QFile supports that use case?
 
Of course not
its too logical
 
doubt it
 
11:35 AM
Well done! They didn't think creating a file was a use case worth including in their api
 
the real question is, what the fucking fuck do I eat for lunch?
 
noodles
 
How about some lunch?
 
That's what I always have for lunch. It's the best
 
11:36 AM
maybe I'll go to Pizza Express
 
main.cpp:6:74: error: ‘x’ is not a constant expression
 
initializer_list's size is not a constant expression.
 
Actually I don't even need to call run
 
11:37 AM
no it isn't
 
constexpr size_type size() const;
 
in C++14.
 
-std=c++14
 
its a trap
 
Create io_service, open port, async_read from it, destroy io_service => hangs.
 
11:38 AM
doesn't mean that g++/libstdc++ implements that specific rule yet.
 
@Puppy so it is a bug?
 
Put something in the port => exits.
 
no, it could just be unimplemented.
 
This seems way too wrong.
 
also, don't forget that just because the function is marked constexpr does not require that the compiler evaluate it at compile-time.
it can still evaluate it at run-time.
 
Xeo
11:39 AM
@nightcracker A parameter is never a constant expression
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh wait I misread your original message. That sounds normal. Send stuff to the port?
 
exactly.
 
@Xeo then what's the point of passing parameters into a constexpr function?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I’m not sure it’s a bug just from reading the docs :s
I.e. for sure the queued whatevers are discarded but it doesn’t say for pending operations (yes, that would be a stupid behaviour).
 
@nightcracker To use them in not-required-constexpr ways.
 
11:43 AM
you have got to be kidding me. std::ofstream and ::fopen can't do it either?
 
I was actually thinking earlier
that surely the availability of a given file open mode depends on what common OS APIs support.
and if Windows/POSIX does not support "Error if existing file", then no Standard or Qt API can provide it.
ah, Windows has CREATE_NEW, which is "Creates a new file, only if it does not already exist."
 
what's the problem with check if exists, if not create
 
not sure about POSIX
@BartekBanachewicz Race condition, for one thing.
 
@Puppy my understanding is that flag is implemented in user mode, the race condition still exists
 
it's the implementation's problem to avoid race conditions in the implementation.
 
11:46 AM
@Puppy atomically $ check if exists, if not create
:P
 
also, just because it's implemented in user mode does not directly require that the race condition still exists.
depends on what the underlying kernel API is.
 
Ell
I think windows can do what you said anyway?
 
@Puppy both POSIX and Windows do support it though
 
@jalf Fair enough.
 
@Ell sure, every OS can do it, because it's a bloody important thing to be able to do :D
 
Ell
11:48 AM
@jalf yeah :P
 
@TonyTheLion a bucket of cocks?
 
@sehe Before or after cooking?
 
I don't eat cock
 
I do, cooked ones.
 
@Puppy to taste
@Jefffrey in wine?
 
11:53 AM
Wine is definitely necessary.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In fact, I seem to have the same behaviour with e.g. a UDP socket. No run, just flowing off main and hanging.
 
@TonyTheLion Didn't realize that people had a preference for the gender of their chickens.
 
@LucDanton Ugh.
That's not right, right?
 
15 mins ago, by Luc Danton
@R.MartinhoFernandes I’m not sure it’s a bug just from reading the docs :s
 
no, it's left.
 
11:55 AM
I don’t feel like diving deeper into the docs though.
 
@Puppy dat pun
 
@TonyTheLion Honestly, I spent the whole time unsure if sehe was referring to dicks or chickens.
 
I assume dicks
because Lounge
its always sexual
 
personally I thought he was probably trying to pull that pun and meant chickens.
 
Ell
Do you guys all work at software consultancy companies? Idk where to look for programming work experience
 
11:57 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh sorry, apparently I forgot to rebuild :( No hanging, so there’s at least a discrepancy. Also, I need a break.
 
fuck.
 
I'll file it as a bug. Let them decide whether it is or not.
 
did I tell you guys that yesterday, I applied for some jobs, and today, some new recruiter started spamming me?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Always :P
 
11:58 AM
"We are looking for several people who fit the following urgent Job Spec. If you are interested please call dickhead on dickhead's phone or email a word version of your CV back to me stating Salary requirements and Availability.

If this job is not relevant to you please accept my apologies but if you could forward it to anyone you feel would be more appropriate I would much appreciate it."
 
@ThePhD I know I used libwebp in VS, pretty sure I built it unless binaries were easy to find.
 
cue job spec for ten years experience of ASP.NET
 
@Puppy how complete is your linkedin profile?
Do you actually advertise your skills properly?
 
what linkedin profile?
 
Careers 2.0 then
 

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