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user3010322
12:00 AM
Only if you store them in plaintext files.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no source available? Is this 90s again?
 
@BartekBanachewicz My work, my source.
I see no need to give it away for free
 
right the repo is prolly on SVN anyway
I don't know if I could get such ancient technology
 
actually that one's CVS
I need to migrate it to SVN
 
user3010322
Take this chance to make it Git. :D
 
12:02 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's like saying "we really need to migrate to VC6" in 2014
 
LRiO doesn't like DVCS I think.
 
because you know, this new thing called C++03 is out
totally gotta try it out
and OpenGL 2.0 woo
 
@BartekBanachewicz SVN has not been surpassed
migrating to an old version of SVN would be silly, yes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit of course pat pat
neither was VC6 and C++03
 
I don't think there are better CVCS than SVN tbh
though iunno why you dislike DVCSes (?)
 
12:06 AM
now might be a good point to ask why do you still want to use a non-distributed VCS in 2014
but I don't think I want to hear the answer TBH
that's more or less like asking people why they prefer C++03 over C++11 or PHP over Haskell
 
Because people have preferences.
 
I think it's not that simple.
I also have preferences, that's obvious.
I'd say that some people are more willingful to change than others.
 
it is indeed that simple
 
what language do you use at work?
 
'Why do you like PHP more than Haskell?' -> 'Personal preference'
'Why do you like C++03 more than C++11?' -> 'Personal preference'
'Why use SVN over Git?' -> 'Personal preference'
 
user1646075
12:09 AM
@Rapptz 'cos SVN at least is simple and doesn't require a PhD-level effort to master. If you can afford a repo master, it's not a bad choice at all.
 
@Rapptz and my point exactly is that it's a meaningless answer
@aclarke compared to what, exactly?
 
user1646075
git shits me, honestly. But still, it's du jour so i use it
 
@Rapptz precisely
@BartekBanachewicz What is the relevance of what year it is?
 
I found Mercurial more pleasant to learn and use than SVN.
 
user1646075
@BartekBanachewicz compared to the effort of learning git, SVN was a cake-walk. And it got the job done.
 
user1646075
12:10 AM
@LucDanton never used merc
 
@aclarke and what part of git is so hard compared to SVN?
 
git is not very hard
it's only hard if you want to do 'advanced' things
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit times change vOv
 
but people are intimidated anyway
 
Perforce is very good :)
 
12:11 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Ah, so you're speaking within the context of "being a sheep" and doing something just because other people do it. I see.
 
user1646075
@Rapptz EXACTLY!
 
Perforce is nice for binary stuff from what I've heard
 
@aclarke Basic usage is literally the same
 
The truth is, I haven't given any DVCS a real go. But nothing's tempted me to. I have no reason to switch, that I know of.
 
Except you don't need a server
 
12:11 AM
@aclarke hint: hard stuff in SVN is much harder than in Git typically, or impossible altogether
 
user1646075
nahhh, the nature of the objects stored is chalk-n-cheese compared to svn
 
Eh I can't think of anything "hard" in SVN
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's precisely why I didn't want to hear the answer.
 
nothing reasonable anyway
 
user1646075
i think my history with svn might have interfered with understanxding the mentality of git, though.
 
12:12 AM
@BartekBanachewicz ;p because you knew I'd point out the flaws in your argument? I understand that can be unsettling ;)
 
@aclarke what
 
I can't think of anything 'hard' either but I'm definitely biased since I've been using git for a long time
I can think of 'annoying' things though
 
Git is also not the only DVCS
And it is sometimes annoying
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no, because you act like a dick when it comes to your personal preferences.
 
user1646075
git and it's tree of objects is different from svn and it's storage.
 
12:13 AM
And it's just impossible to discuss them with you.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Example from this conversation, please.
 
@aclarke who gives a shit
 
Does it matter?
 
Because that's hardly true
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Working offline and easier remote setup (no crappy WebDAV god) was enough for me
 
user1646075
12:13 AM
@BartekBanachewicz ummm, people who are asking> Are opinions so bad now?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you can't get a hint can you
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I really liked that I was on vacation and I could commit things without having to set up a server.
Working offline is quite a breeze.
 
@aclarke no? I mean why should that make using git harder?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm terminating this conversation because you seem to be more interested in spewing hatred and bile at me than actually answering logically or making any kind of point.
 
Also back then SVN had that idiotic 'hey let's put .svn EVERYWHERE' thing going on
 
12:14 AM
@CatPlusPlus hmm working offline... that one could turn me
 
They fixed that thankfully
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I do admit the only thing I wanted to achieve was to make you shut up yes.
 
I still don't like the model of branches/tags being directories though
Or that you can have a checkout that's in different versions
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then who's the "dick"?
 
12:15 AM
@CatPlusPlus yeah
 
user1646075
@BartekBanachewicz oh right. I had all sorts of grief seperating out items from branches and having a look at them in git for a while. couldn't get my head around it. Reading the usual books and their descent into arcane procedures and magic incantations was irritating.
 
user1646075
anywahy, I can use git now without swearing or having to think, so that's a nice place to be
 
I've become fairly comfortable with git over the past year.
 
user1646075
^^^^ and that's just one example. I'm actively trying to repress most of my git frustrations now, and just get on with it ...
 
@aclarke right I forgot programs run on pony magic
 
12:16 AM
Mercurial is a bit closer to SVN
 
YES
SUCCESS
 
I have way too short temper on stupidity and bad decisions of others
 
I don't like people who use bazaar because launchpad sucks.
 
So anyone's preference that doesn't match yours is "stupidity" and "bad decision", automatically
 
also known as "wrong on the internet" syndrome
 
12:17 AM
I'm getting really sick of some of you lot lately. Full moon?
 
note to self: don't show bartek my C++ code...
 
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@BartekBanachewicz until you understand the science, hard-core command lines are indistnguishable from magic. to paraphrase a famous quote..
 
It's a dumb reason, I'm aware.
But launchpad irritates me
there's my stupid opinion on the subject
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Did you remove the tooth?
 
@aclarke that's as nonsensical as it gets. You might not understand them, but they make sense in the end
 
12:18 AM
@Jefffrey tomorrow :(
 
user1646075
@BartekBanachewicz no, in practice, the time wasted reaching the "makes sense" point is irritating.
 
That's the reason then.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I dislike cemented preferences a lot. I dislike unwillingness to change a lot.
 
user1646075
I just want to f*cking get on with it, sometimes.
 
12:20 AM
:lol:
 
I lost the bet alright.
 
user1646075
@BartekBanachewicz where did you get that impression? where did I say I never reached comfort through effort to change? You'd be a shit psychiatrist
 
@BartekBanachewicz It sounds like you're the one unwilling to embrace change. The fact that you're getting so angry about it is even worse.
 
user1646075
I looked a php some years ago, and thought "I dno't need a new port of Perl"
 
@aclarke and I obviously wrote that to you.
 
user1646075
12:21 AM
@BartekBanachewicz clearly.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what change now.
 
I already said that I just haven't tried a DVCS properly.
@BartekBanachewicz Anyone's viewpoint but your own
You went all dork on me for no reason
 
12 mins ago, by Rapptz
'Why do you like PHP more than Haskell?' -> 'Personal preference'
'Why do you like C++03 more than C++11?' -> 'Personal preference'
'Why use SVN over Git?' -> 'Personal preference'
@LightnessRacesinOrbit started at this actually
 
user1646075
fuck man, I used SCCS and built a system around it when there was nothing else on *NIX. I've been through a few. Always freebies ;-)
 
I want my preferences to be challenged by others as often as possible.
 
12:22 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I give up
Puppy levels of derp here
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah.. I didn't shit on your opinion. I just asked questions.
 
user1646075
strangely enough, SVN brought back happy memories of what I was trying to achieve with SCCS as the engine - gratifying in a wierd way
 
@Rapptz thank you
 
now kiss
 
But Bartek went full berserk.
I'm not even sure why.
 
Ell
12:23 AM
@bartek you need to keep your mood calm. Be calm and immutable
 
10 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no, because you act like a dick when it comes to your personal preferences.
 
Ell
Ain that the functional way?
 
Let's just stick this blatant hypocrisy right here, and leave it at that.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit right, becasuse it was me who called you a sheep.
 
Anyway, yes, I need to migrate that source from CVS sometime
 
user1646075
12:24 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit HEH
 
user1646075
to slightly change the subject
 
Ell
I like git
 
user1646075
SHOOSH!
 
Ell
It's very well documented
 
8 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I have way too short temper on stupidity and bad decisions of others
 
user1646075
12:25 AM
you might get your ears bitten off
 
8 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
So anyone's preference that doesn't match yours is "stupidity" and "bad decision", automatically
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no.
imma try a new tactic I'll just answer those trick questions and see what happens.
 
user1646075
@BartekBanachewicz You nearly accused me of luddite-ism. Bitch!
 
user1646075
in fact, I think you actually did
 
the hell is ludditeism
 
12:26 AM
Trick questions.... what?!?!
 
user1646075
people who reject new
 
@aclarke got it
 
user1646075
ok
 
Hi guys!
 
> protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery
 
12:28 AM
hi
 
dunno might be a bit of a stretch
@templateboy hi
 
I wanted to ask: What editors do you guys use for coding?
 
user1646075
the core of the mentality of the people involved was rejection of new technology, and a refusal to give up the old
 
user1646075
and that's the general sense of the accusation
 
@templateboy a lot of stuff
@aclarke I see. I thought it was about them losing jobs, too.
 
user1646075
12:30 AM
the only machine I've smashed is a few keyboards. and a dropped laptop but that was an accident
 
Sublime Text 3.
 
user1646075
yeah - that too
 
user1646075
well, the fear of
 
user1646075
vim
 
12:30 AM
Sometimes the uneditor built into the VS
 
user1646075
too lazy (see above) to learn emacs, although I hear it's a great nerd-attractor. Had some great desk-wars about which is better
 
@aclarke In a way I certainly think that we're hindering our own progress a lot because of "personal preferences"
 
user1646075
@BartekBanachewicz fuck yeah. That's a given.
 
And because I tend to overreact to things in general, my harsh responses are probably a sign of a subconscious defensive reaction.
 
user1646075
but having 3 kids, a mortgage, and just having to bring home the bacon (halal, kosher and vegetarian bacon) makes playing with computers less ---- achievable
 
12:33 AM
thanks guys
 
@aclarke I am the one getting home after 9.5 hours of work to code in Haskell :P
 
user1646075
@BartekBanachewicz see also - cultures of the world
 
user1646075
@BartekBanachewicz i get home, clean the cat tray, nag about homework, maybe cook up a few days worth of something, bathtime, bedtime - GET IN F*CKING BED YOU LITTLE SH*TS - and then hit the bottle. Rinse, repeat.
 
@aclarke Vegeterian Juslims?
 
somehow I'm happy I don't have kids yet
 
user1646075
12:37 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's important to be politically correct at all times, even in the privacy of your own home.
 
somehow the entire world is happy you don't have kids yet
2
 
user1646075
NEVER HAVE KIDS!
 
@aclarke I see
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh look our little snowflake is offended
 
just realised I've had the same song on loop for the past 50 minutes
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not offended. Why do you think I'm offended?
 
12:38 AM
I can't find a good playlist
 
And why are you making things up all the time :/
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it soaks in between chat messages
 
user1646075
actually, I was amazed to discover that there is indeed 'halal bacon' - made of smoked turkey apparently.
 
@BartekBanachewicz So, you just imagined it then pretended it were true.
 
@CatPlusPlus I like the top Focus one on Spotify
 
user1646075
12:39 AM
which is in the same class as "vegan sausages" you can buy in a tin at the supermarket. Giggity!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no.
 
o.O
vegan ikushdfaksiudfa
@BartekBanachewicz Yep.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no.
 
I'm not "offended", mate, I'm just saying the world is glad you don't have kids.
 
user1646075
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the what-now?
 
12:39 AM
That feeling increases the more you continue on this ridiculous line of "reasoning"
 
why don't you tell me why haven't you tried any DVCS yet instead
 
I already did
You were too busy calling me names to notice
 
I thought you said you didn't.
 
I already did tell you why I didn't try any.
 
computing uh oh
 
user1646075
12:41 AM
methinks some people have trouble reading inflection in IRC words. I found it much easier one i started assuming people were being funny, rather than the more obvious beginners choice of assuming people are being pricks. If they are REALLY being pricks, they'll work hard to make it clear.
 
You've got it in your head that I've somehow stubbornly refused to give it a go, but yet again this is a fiction. An imagining of Bartek. A baseless accusation.
In fact I have just never got around to it because I never found a need to spend the time doing so. I'm open to trying one. I just haven't done it yet.
Content?
 
You can use hg-svn or git-svn btw
 
To try it out on an existing thing without converting
 
still takes time to bother
and then you have to spend time using it in order to find out whether you like it
my time is worth £5,000/hr so...
 
user1646075
12:43 AM
i got the impression that lightness is reasonably smart and skilled - for a girl - if (s)he really is one. too hell with PC ;-)
 
more sexism yay!!
 
don't even joke about this shit
 
user1646075
heh
 
that's not PC, that's sexism :v
 
user1646075
12:43 AM
that was back-handed praise.
 
user1646075
just trying not to be sucky-sucky
 
it was claiming that I shouldn't be smart or skilled because I'm a girl
but I appreciate the attempt
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've rereread that whole conversation and didn't find it, so it must've been a while ago.
 
yeah no sucky-sucky for you, I'm afraid
 
such a bad joke
 
12:44 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit aye
 
33 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
The truth is, I haven't given any DVCS a real go. But nothing's tempted me to. I have no reason to switch, that I know of.
 
user1646075
damn my net is being flakey
 
@aclarke put 2 mistakes in one sentence doesn't make it correct
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's really not
 
user1646075
IT MAKES IT FUNNY ffs
 
12:45 AM
for whom?
 
@BartekBanachewicz y u so mean
 
user1646075
clearly ridiculous if you assume it's being silly
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'd say I see it as one of main responsibilities of a higher-than-standard-dev position.
 
user1646075
some people need to stop watching Sinefeld and watch a bit of Doug Stanhope.
 
telkitty defence force is on the case
I'm bored
 
12:46 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Granted, that'd be one good reason. Though on balance, given our resources and workload it's not going to see the light of day any time soon, which explains practically why it hasn't happened in a workplace context.
And I simply haven't done any hobbyist coding outside of SO answers in years
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit because you still earn way more than me :D
 
sucks
 
@BartekBanachewicz £5,000/hr is a lot yeah
don't put yourself down you'll get there! :)
 
might be sooner than you think
actually our product is turning out pretty nicely
 
12:47 AM
I am afraid I won't be able to allocate that much time during the school year though :/
 
ducks
@BartekBanachewicz Well you can just outsource all your school work to SO and focus on your job
 
inflation eventually catch up you know ... your £5,000 can only buy you a bag of potato in 2050
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no because mandatory classes :F
people at my company work for like 12 hours a day
 
@chmod711telkitty I get a £50/hr raise every week
@BartekBanachewicz I do that
FYI
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah my property went up $100k a year and I didn't have to do anything ... loser
 
user3010322
12:49 AM
I worked part of my weekend and work 9-12 hours days. ._.
 
And yeah I have no time for much else than the Lounge
12 hours a day and usually a good 10 hours over the course of Sat/Sun
someone's got to get it all done
 
I try to limit myself a bit
 
@chmod711telkitty You're being a right twat lately
 
Wanting to code Haskell has an impact on that alright
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit maybe it's you? have you considered why most people here suddenly turned into right twats lately?
 
12:51 AM
@chmod711telkitty As much as I wish it, I do not have control over your brain
 
@chmod711telkitty I've always been annoying.
 
user1646075
a lot of cranky people today. Did some major football team lose an important game or something?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit must be the drug you use for your sex realignment surgery ... I heard they could be dangerous to your mood
I am always cranky in the mornings
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty ooooh now who's being un-PC
 
Bartek has just gone back to how he was at the start of the year. Puppy's come out of his shell now that he's not dying and he's taking it out on the world. sehe has his tantrums every once in a while, no biggie. jalf and Jezza are perversely arrogantly showing off their distinct lack of conversational logic, as usual.. and you're just .... I don't know. Menopause?
Everyone else is sane and good. Huzzah!
 
user1646075
12:53 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I deny that vehemently.
 
what about cat? is cat sane or just have 9 lives
 
user1646075
@chmod711telkitty where's your timezone? Perth?
 
We don't speak about Cat.
 
Cat is surprisingly fine lately
he's out of depression clearly
 
12:55 AM
He had a really good few months being quite funny, but now he's quiet and withdrawn. Again, possibly menopause.
 
user1646075
how do you increment a cat anyway? That would be one of the most annoying creatures ever evolved.
 
yea hrigh
t
 
user1646075
oh right. good old sinny town
 
well if cat put on weight <== cat++
 
user1646075
heh
 
12:56 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit in my defence that's not entirely my fault
I've lost my shit today I admit, which sucks because I was happy with my behaviour during the day
 
@aclarke where are you?
 
Stop/start doing drugs
 
lol
should be a button y'know
 
user1646075
sydney too. working out towards the hills district - is that what it's called? Baulkam hills etc. Bit of a hike, not a fan.
 
eh w/e this week ends on wednesday which is nice
imma rest a bit
 
12:58 AM
north west
 
user1646075
yeah
 
@BartekBanachewicz Still waiting for you to apologise
 
user1646075
Near that hillsong central. The crackle of evil in the air is palpable.
 
user1646075
@LightnessRacesinOrbit gold.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Okay I'm sorry I called you a dick and accussed of being a closeminded Luddite.
 
user1646075
12:59 AM
i think most people here today have not been christened in the /b/. They probably should go there and toughen up
 
Ugh no
 

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