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9:00 PM
 
gaaaaah
Lens be hard
 
@Jefffrey Because it's what we do. Our brains are pattern matchers--and they'll find patterns whether they really apply or not.
 
why do we even care about what kind of animals a person fuck, seriously
 
@Jefffrey saying "I'm hetero" is easier than "I like to fuck girls who like to fuck men"
 
@Jefffrey Because there are still people who think some human pairings are unnaceptable.
 
9:00 PM
@nightcracker hetero doesn't mean that
 
or vice versa
 
Until then, people are gonna react by shoving their sexuality in your face.
 
it means fucking the opposite sex
 
Until you stop giving a shit.
 
omg who the fuck cares who you fuck
^ that should be the reaction to all of this
 
9:02 PM
localhost cares
 
@Jefffrey From what I've heard, Italy is an incredibly homophobic country. So a lot of your neighbors might care.
 
as long as they are both, or... well... everybody is consenting to that, i don't care
 
@EtiennedeMartel Russia might have bled some of that too
 
@Jefffrey As long as it's consensual.
 
@EtiennedeMartel a girl i know tried to convince me and my friends of the fact that homosexuality is against nature
 
9:03 PM
why is there no partial setter
or whatever it's called
how
 
plot twist: she is a biologist
 
There are some people who are like "What the fuck is up with 'Gay Pride', I'm not particularly proud of being hetero" or whatever.
 
Unless you've had a drink.
 
And they missed the whole point of what gay pride is about.
 
9:03 PM
@Jefffrey Well... yeah.
 
It's about bringing attention to an issue that's still occurring.
 
i mean, SHE ACTUALLY STUDIES BIOLOGY AT UNIVERSITY
 
She's not wrong bud.
 
This, is way beyond NP.
 
Maybe you should study some biology too.
 
9:04 PM
wat
 
I don't see how a consequence of our genetic code can possibly be unnatural.
 
afaik pretty much every specie just cares about fucking
 
@Rapptz Depends. A bunch of species are homosexual.
 
especially when homosexuality is mirrored across the animal kingdom
 
Depends how you define 'natural'.
 
9:05 PM
true.
 
Also, evolution and shit. Nature changes.
 
Which in my case, I'm defining it as 'an aspect to be desired'.
 
personally I find it hard to argue that anything we do is unnatural, since we are by definition natural creatures and everything that we do is a product of our natural brains and hands.
 
@Rapptz hey, that's not my definition
fuck you
 
Well.
If you do Puppy's definition.
 
9:06 PM
@Rapptz I assume you mean "In evolutionary terms", right?
 
Then nothing is unnatural.
 
i mean what i would expect to see in the wild
 
Well. Ask her what she considers 'natural'.
 
@BartekBanachewicz no
 
I think we have the same definition since we're both biologists.
 
9:06 PM
well
 
@Rapptz that's interesting
i'll ask her
 
I still don't think that homosexuality is unnatural, even from the perspective that "natural" means "favoured by evolution".
 
Well, it is.
 
really?
I wonder why all those species still express that behaviour, then, instead of having evolved it out.
 
Yes.
 
9:07 PM
Is it one of those "Homosexuals can't reproduce" thing?
 
guess it must be that sisters of homosexual men have more children, statistically.
 
@Rapptz i see
I was being an ass idiot all along
 
@Puppy I saw an article about that at some point.
 
the evolution in of homosexuality can be easily explained as a statistical gamble- you pay off losing the odd child to homosexuality in favour of gaining increased reproductive potential for the rest of your children
 
Poor girl
 
9:08 PM
@Puppy Or maybe children of homosexual men in their College years.
 
@EtiennedeMartel There's more to it than that.
 
personally
 
Homosexual people can adopt children, which would technically increase those children's likelihood of survival. I think.
 
jesus
I have 11 golden badges
 
9:09 PM
@EtiennedeMartel What the fuck is wrong with people.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Exactly my thought too. It is the child services laws that gives the homosexuals the evolutionary advantage.
 
@EtiennedeMartel The Homosexual's 'fitness' in that case is still 0.
 
@Rapptz Yeah, but humans are a bit weird.
 
@Rapptz Well, sure. But there's a difference between "imperfection" and "Totally cannot reproduce at all."
any trait leading to such devastating consequences should be evolved out pretty quickly.
 
First things first, not every human wants to reproduce.
Imagine that.
 
9:11 PM
I'm not talking about humans only.
I'm not sure why you are.
 
I think it's clear that any homosexuality in evolution debate can't really be framed in terms of humans.
 
@Rapptz Because otherwise it's boring.
 
Humans are boring species.
 
Did this chat just become the daftest chat on the whole SE network?
 
I think they are quite special.
 
9:12 PM
@CaptainGiraffe "just"?
 
They can do whatever they want so there isn't much point in discussing them. :v
 
user1804599
I can reproduce if I have lesbian sex.
 
@Rapptz It's kinda easy to talk about non-human animals in highly objective terms.
Which means there really isn't a discussion to be had.
It's just comparing numbers.
 
There are no numbers here.
 
You know what I mean.
 
9:13 PM
@PolymorphicPotato I've managed to do that
 
ZERO IS A NUMBER!
 
@EtiennedeMartel Disagree.
 
@cHao There were some talk of noexcept. I apologize for the qualifier
 
those numbers need to be explained and their underlying mechanisms discussed.
 
@Puppy FWIW, you can look up 'gay uncle theory'.
 
9:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ok
 
It's another hypothesis about this.
or well, 'gay uncle hypothesis' if you want to be technical.
 
wait, can a single user close a question as a duplicate now?
 
dupehammer's been around for ages
 
a couple months late at this point
 
@Rapptz Oh fuck. I've made my nephews gay.
 
9:16 PM
@nightcracker gold badge of the tag yes (its undone btw)
 
How difficult is it to cycle with two bicycles?
 
@Rapptz This should be discarded under the; "Insane claims, requires at least a modicum of data to support it!"
 
Like carrying one and riding one.
 
but whilst I accept that evolution does not bring perfection, I think that homosexuality is way too widespread and is too drastic an apparent evolutionary problem to have not been evolved out if it did not have hidden benefits.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You need to be more considerate. Zero deserves the respect of being treated as a real person, not just a number!
 
9:18 PM
@CaptainGiraffe eh?
 
@JerryCoffin That a reference to The Prisoner?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes still recognize the "I'm in the middle of something" reflex. It becomes a killer reflex if you also have the "I hate to have wasted so much time" reflexes or "I spent too much time on the stuff I liked more, now let me compensate by impersonating a tornado implementing the remaining bits"
 
@Puppy 'way too widespread'?
 
(the remaining bits are always the worst)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I never make cultural references.
 
9:19 PM
@nightcracker I accidentally closed it while posting the related link as a comment (and immediately undo the close)
 
Cultural reference happen in your utterances
 
I have a Number Six badge.
 
@Puppy s/homosexuality/suicide/
 
@Rapptz Too many individuals and spread through too many species.
 
@quantdev yeah I noticed
 
9:19 PM
It's not a common trait.
 
@quantdev was just surprised one person can close
 
It's going to be my costume next Halloween.
 
@nightcracker Not really aware of any species that demonstrate that except humans.
 
I mean, I'd understand if it was 30% or more of the total population
 
@Puppy lemmings?
 
9:20 PM
@Rapptz AFAIK the rate is about 2% across many mammalian species.
 
Just wear normal clothes, plus a Number Six badge.
No one will get it :'(
 
That's not really common.
 
well, I don't know when the last common ancestor of humans and dogs lived, but I bet it was a hell of a long time ago.
 
@Puppy but lemming suicide isn't really suicide :P
Animal suicide refers to self-destructive behavior displayed by various species of animal that becomes likened to suicide. == Suicidal behavior == Many animals that appear to be depressed or grieving begin to exhibit self-destructive behavior that sometimes ends in death. In 1845, the Illustrated London News reported that a Newfoundland dog had been acting less lively over a period of days before being seen "to throw himself in the water and endeavor to sink by preserving perfect stillness of the legs and feet". Every time he was rescued he attempted to do this again before he finally held his...
 
and 2% across all that time is a hell of a long time to maintain such a drastic defect.
 
9:21 PM
@Puppy Your cells.
 
zch
@Puppy It's not.
 
@Rapptz it's not uncommon either, AFAIK.
 
I'm just joking there btw
 
For these animals, there is documented evidence of homosexual behavior of one or more of the following kinds: sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, or parenting, as noted in researcher and author Bruce Bagemihl's 1999 book Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity. Bagemihl writes that the presence of same-sex sexual behavior was not 'officially' observed on a large scale until the 1990s due to possible observer bias caused by social attitudes towards LGBT people making the homosexual theme taboo. Bagemihl devotes three chapters; Two Hundred Years at Looking at Homosexual...
 
@Puppy No it isn't....
 
9:21 PM
Anyway I have to eat.
 
Males have nipples. EXPLAIN THAT
 
zch
In pre-historic times vast majority of men died without offspring
 
You cannot explain how grass grows.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Just in case they are transgender. :P
 
 
9:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Quickly or slowly, depending on how much you water it." That one wasn't even hard.
 
@sehe Yes, that's it.
 
@Rapptz That's also far too widespread to not have any hidden benefits
 
@sehe Sleep must have hidden benefits too then. I guess I should do more of it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Crap, MAN! HAvenT you EVen SeeN the FEYNMan LectureS ON pHysics MAN?
 
@JerryCoffin Don't do to much of it! It may make you go blind, some say
 
9:25 PM
does anyone know a tool that can scan a source file for std:: functions, and give back the minimal set of of standard headers that resolve those guaranteed?
 
@sehe I'd say you have a good point, but now that I think about it, blindness must have hidden benefits too!
 
Sure thing. Especially on 4chan
 
what's the identity getter lens?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz id?
 
@JerryCoffin Hidden from view of the subjects?
 
9:26 PM
@nightcracker No. I looked for one once, and even started to write one with some hacking on Clang, but at that time Clang was changing so much so quickly that the next time I tried to play with it, virtually none of it would even compile any more.
 
@JerryCoffin The blind students get the tex code to the equations on the exams?
 
> Giraffes in Kenya; giraffes have been called "especially gay" for often engaging in same-sex sexual behavior more than male-female (heterosexual) sex.[1][2]
@CaptainGiraffe ^ checkmate
 
@JerryCoffin I'm just slightly paranoid that on the particular compiler I'm using one header includes another, while on another compiler it doesn't
 
@sehe I'm still game =) Dude, sehe that was funny!
 
9:28 PM
I don't know who leaked those pictures of my peepee here ;(
Damn hotlinking restrictions
 
image not found
 
@nightcracker It would only be paranoia if it wasn't justified by the facts. As is, it's just a sensible precaution.
 
Puppy seems to think I'm already blind
 
@nightcracker No but hmmm a "header reducer" would be handy. Just in general. It must exist...
 
fuckpuppy forgot his drugggs
 
9:30 PM
For standard utilities you'd be at risk of deportabilising your code, though
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what do you mean?
 
deportabilising, sits like a mofo in your mouth.
 
@nightcracker cba to go into it
but you already strafed the issue with your comment to Jerry about implementations
 
> In "slip-and-slide" orgies, groups of male grey whales, one of the oldest species of mammals, roll in the ocean rubbing their bellies against each other so that their genitals are touching.[19][20]
 
I liked that about c++98. It was really easy to talk about code. Now, there is no longer typedefs.
 
9:32 PM
we still have typedefs but they're shit
 
@Puppy Thanks for reiterating my statement. You will find the proper argument within the std:: namespace.
 
I really don't get this
why do people hold up the Standard library as if it's notably well-designed?
the std:: namespace is full of shit.
 
zch
What's the problem with typedefs?
 
The STL-part of the library is well designed.
 
some parts of the STL-part of the library are well-designed.
 
9:36 PM
@zch Obsolete. using is the way to go. Simpler syntax too.
 
@CaptainGiraffe wtf?
 
other parts are iterators, or pair<const K, V>&, or vector<bool>.
 
and especially in C++98
no stateful allocators, no hash maps/sets, no good smart pointers.
 
@CaptainGiraffe incidentally, it was less of a design-by-committee, I surmise
 
9:37 PM
@sehe 90% of the container iterator headers are from 1994
 
zch
@CaptainGiraffe I know that. But how is it worse than c++98?
 
@CaptainGiraffe "It was really easy to talk about code" - come again?
 
@nightcracker I should probably add: VA-X does have a key combo to add an #include line for the correct header for a function call that's under the cursor, which works well as you're typing in code--but AFAIK, it doesn't have anything to scan the file and add all the necessary header references at once.
 
Smacks close to "talk was cheap"
 
Hello.
 
9:38 PM
The worst case scenario was to talk about a virtual inherited base class.
SFINAE was not around for the 98 spec.
 
So. How is everything significantly more complicated. On the core language I can really only think of rvalue refs right away.
 
@CaptainGiraffe It.. still existed.
 
rvalue refs makes stuff simpler IMO
@Rapptz Sure
 
@CaptainGiraffe Okay. I give up. We're in upside-down-ternet again
 
I have no idea how I can communicate to my c++ students, why they see all of these horrible examples trying to write "hello world".
 
9:42 PM
simple
 
I would have it in a modern c++ style
 
because C++ is an ancient bitch with a lot of baggage
 
@Puppy it is
I could do the bjarne short book.
 
@sehe I think I understand a little of the point he's making. rvalue references let you design production code more like you might if you didn't care at all about efficiency. So even though understanding them is painful, understanding code that uses them can be pretty simple.
 
Does any of you have a blender?
 
9:44 PM
I do.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Both the kitchen item and the software
 
How many hp?
 
1.6 HP (1200 watts, thanks wolfram)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 3.8. No, I don't actually have one, but it's what you really want:
> USB connectivity for downloading/uploading custom programming
 
what are you going to blend?
 
9:48 PM
@JerryCoffin Looks like the one my boss bought for the office.
It has a soundproof dome.
 
Now that I use the Barbara Moo, Stan Lippman book, things have deescalated(finally a good book).
 
He's crazy/
 
@JerryCoffin Oh yeah. I highly doubt that any part of that made it "easier to talk about code" before.
I'm not even sure about "understanding code that uses them". It's just all even less direct.
 
@EtiennedeMartel wut
 
@Mysticial Simple. The Endlösung of the male problem
 
9:53 PM
@sehe Back in 2000 I had read the specs for 98, I just nodded(as in yes) my way through. Everything was intuitive. Now I'm apparently an old fuck, Well I can live with that.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I think back in 2000 you were simply too naive.
Now you're just slightly more world wise and know nothing is for free.
 
@sehe I appreciate the insight.
 
Just my take. It really doesn't make much sense to "nod your way through" any version of the C++ spec. That's a high likelihood of "pink glasses" to me
 
@sehe I had been doing c with classes almost.
 
Well. Then you're just getting old.
:D
 
9:57 PM
apparently gittip has renamed itself to gratipay
 
I am =)
 
aren't we all?
 
@sehe I'm nut sure I understand what you're saying. Just for an obvious example, it means if a function should naturally return an object of type X, in C++98 you frequently wrote something like void f(int in, X&out), followed by a discussion of copy constructors and such, whereas in C++11+, you'd write X f(int in) and worry about explaining why that's fast enough later (if ever).
 
> nut sure
That's very very sure
 
@JerryCoffin Really, that's more of a QoI issue, because that's exactly how it's done in C++98 too.
I'd just say that given the last 20 years of Moore's Law, it's just much less important to obsess over small details.
 
9:59 PM
@Puppy Not in around like 3 out of four books that I recall reading.
@CaptainGiraffe Why would we do this? And who gives a shit how old Linus is?
 
@JerryCoffin Ok, let me clarify. The first form is (roughly) how the compiler implements the second form, so unless the implementations back then sucked (which I'm more than willing to accept), I find it hard to believe that anybody with a profiler really concluded that the second is slower than the first.
 
@Puppy Yes, implementations did suck then. And yes, quite a few books gave it more space than it deserved (or, perhaps, used it as a segue into copy constructors and such, even though it wasn't really all that great of one).
 
@JerryCoffin That's not clearer though. It's more obfsucated and more dependent on external code.
Playing the advocates' devil: assignment can now mean move, copy or even nothing with copy elision. Of course, that depends on the type being assigned (and whether implicit conversions are involved), specifically the availability of move-enabled special members. Now, whether moves will be faster than copies depends (SSO, anyone?) and whether it's fast enough (compared to transferring ownership by pointer) is anybody's guess.
Let's, for a moment, forget about the immense matrix of conditions that govern whether move-enabled special members are going to be compiler-generated (let alone various compiler support
 
@sehe Copy elision is in C++03 too and I don't believe it was one of the few additions over 98.
 
@Puppy I know. I wasn't claiming everything changed. I was listing different meanings
 
10:04 PM
right.
all I'm saying is that if the user gives a shit about which meaning is chosen, he's probably doing it wrong.
unless you have some fun case where you're depending on implicit generation and the compiler didn't implement it yet or something.
 
O I apologize. Back in 98 there were the wars of the compilers. Anyone remember the high-performing Watcom compiler?
 
And by "fun" you mean MSVC.
 
@sehe Obfuscated for a function to actually return the type it produces? I guess you were right earlier--we are in that upside-down-ternet (or whatever you called it).
 
well, I did get bitten once by having to maintain a move constructor that I had to explicitly write myself because it didn't support defaulted moves.
 
@Puppy I tend to agree. But in to "it's easier to talk about code now" that sounds like "It's easier to talk about religion than about physics, because no-one needs to know exactly what is going on, really"
 
10:07 PM
hmmm
 
@JerryCoffin It's not the signature that's obfsucated, of course. It's the semantics of the return statement/assignment that's hiding the fuzziness now.
 
@sehe I'm standing on your side now =)
 
I kinda disagree because physics has useful applications in the real world and knowing whether or not your compiler succeeded in eliding a random function in your codebase doesn't.
 
@CaptainGiraffe That's creepy.
 
I'm scared
 
10:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why so ?
It is a language maturity we are approaching
 
@Puppy Right. That's BS. Knowing where exactly an electron is, or how a Higgs boson might behave has precisely the same kind of relevance in 99.99...9% of real world applications.
 
@sehe Currently, that's true. But we increasingly find uses for them. Transistors are built on understanding the movement of electrons through semiconductors. Relativity enables us to build GPS or send rockets to other planets. Hell, the nuclear fusion stuff we're working on right now has lots of that stuff.
 
But it's the god particle!
 
physics that's researched today isn't applied today, but it sure as hell is applied tomorrow.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't help but read "god" in the face-palm intonation bend there
 
10:11 PM
Da fuk. When did we start talking about scroediners e = phi crap?
 
successfully applying quantum physics is pretty much what makes our world so much different to the 1900s.
 
@sehe The Higgs boson behaves in mysterious ways.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought that everybody everywhere decided they hate it because it behaves exactly according to prediction in every way so far measured.
 
Twas a joke.
 
right
sorry.
 
10:13 PM
== English == === Etymology === Perhaps from a poem by William Cowper (who lived 1731–1800), whose first stanza reads, “God moves in a mysterious way / His wonders to perform; / He plants His footsteps in the sea / And rides upon the storm.” === Proverb === God works in mysterious ways Expressing confidence that a conundrum has a solution despite it not being apparent. Commenting that a seemingly unfortunate or unfavourable situation or change may be beneficial later or in the long run. Person A: It seems that I'm about to be fired from my job. Person B: Well, God works in mysterious w...
 
watching 3RFTS
 
Woot.
Well, still crappy onebox.
 
@Puppy I smell a bit of "if it isn't new research, then it's useless" elitism there. I see what you mean, but everything else should not be deemed irrelevant just because it no longer holds your personal imagination/interest
 
@sehe The semantics are simple and and straightforward. It's only how that's (usually) implemented that gets difficult. The only place it affects semantics is copy elision, which is pretty easy to just state the rule and you're done.
 
Mmm. Good point about focus on semantics.
@Puppy leet anagram for "FARTS"?
 
10:17 PM
Success!
 
@sehe I'm certainly not saying that. What I am saying is that move, copy, or elide, is totally unobservable for reasonably written code, unless you run into a performance problem, and then you might start to care about a tiny fraction of your codebase. The vast majority of functions you write you will never observe any change between those possibilities.
 
@Bartek guillotine seems to have no trouble cutting laminated lamination stuff.
 
since it's clang based it's terrible on windows - broken beyond repair, won't try further
linux seems promising
 
> unless you run into a performance problem
Call me an absolutist, but what is C++ about if not that
 
10:18 PM
(since it's a tool that's not really part of your toolchain I don't mind if it isn't too portable)
 
@sehe Legacy code? Deterministic destruction? Having the power to extend the type system?
I sure as hell don't use C++ for the performance.
 
No. You use it for sheer convenience.
 
but even if you did, you're still only talking about the functions in the hot path.
 
When was the last time you threw a fit for <thread> being useless?
 
10:19 PM
@Puppy In library code, everything is on the hot path
 
the limited Standard library is admittedly irritating.
but not irritating enough to cope with C#'s gimped generics, having to stick everything ever in a class, and having to bind every library I want to use
 
Programming is irritating. Programming in C++ is aggravating. Still I claim it's useful
 
and in the case of performance, I don't really see how "Did the compiler elide this?" is any different to "Did it perform any other optimization?"
 
Since I'm bored, I think I'll sort out a few hundred more resistors that are still remaining from last week's incident.
 
10:21 PM
lol clicking on it gives 404
 
@Puppy I love C#'s gimped generics. They're exactly the sweet spot where I'll freely apply your "Who cares about the level of optimization" ointment
 
@Puppy lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you lack a fuse?
 
Nah, just dropped everything on the floor.
 
@sehe Disliking them has nothing to do with any lack of performance.
at least, not for me.
 
10:22 PM
It has its advantages, though.
 
Oh well.
 
csharppe is fun
 
I can already read resistor colour code without looking up a table.
Maybe that's not an advantage.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're becoming quicker at rating the colour-coding on sight?
 
:lol:
 
10:24 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I just recently bought a colour-code "ruler" style tool with dials. Just so I won't have to. I intend to toy some electronics with my youngest. He's very keen on all stuff battery-operated.
 
I have a sticker on my desk.
But I don't need it anymore.
 
He spent half the summer playing with water containers of various heights, elevation, pipes of various gauges and making mini-fountains (pumpless), timing-circuits etc. in the garden. Oh and comparing density of water and marbles. Fun fun fun.
That's when the thought entered my mind (there's too many parallels between electrical current and water streaming to pass up).
 
@JerryCoffin fuck this
@JerryCoffin grep -o 'std\(::\w\+\)\+' file.h
 
user image
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10:28 PM
m$ problem$
 
bah
for the last several days my pills have no longer woken me up at the appropriate time
 
We even went to visit Les Jardins d'Annevoie which features a wealth of gravition-driven water effects and explained the concept of a "ground fault circuit interruptor" based on the amount of water entering the park and the amount flowing out, the low end, at any moment in time.
@Griwes lemme guess, that's an ATM machine ? :D
 
Dunno, taken from imgur.
 
Hint, it's not (form the bezel)
 
Room topic changed to Lounge<Windows> Start Wandows Ngrmadly
Room topic changed to: Lounge<Windows> Start Wandows Ngrmadly
 
10:33 PM
Wangows
 
Gnowes
 
Bangalijst.
 
Fetwgrkifg.
 
@PolymorphicPotato :D
 
Shit, I'm wrecked on Tribute and I have to get up at 04:00. Cornwall has a lot to answer for.
 
10:44 PM
@MartinJames You should have kngwn.
 
Fuck me, so much clueless I cannot explain:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25654760/embedding-a-c-program-onto-a-website
 
Haha.
Funny stuff.
I am wasted as well. Red wine.
 
2 days ago, by sehe
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The wine. It was a bad idea
 
:D
This is actually a nice article involving, and this one by Jessica Valenti. /cc @Mysticial
> "Your toddler is not" ... "a special snowflake" - freely
 
@sehe I should go to the supermarket and ask for the following: butt plug, lube, rope, needles, beurtbalkje and a Bokitoproof bangalijst.
 
10:51 PM
@VáclavZeman I like the taste of reds, but they don't like me - I get a migraine-like headache after a few glasses. Anne and I drink dry whites, eg. Chardonnay.
 
@MartinJames You need to get a glass of water as well. IMHO the headache is only caused by overconsumption or dehydration.
 
@PolymorphicPotato you should just order it from Appie
 
@VáclavZeman No. I'm very familiar with overconsumption/dehydration with other alcoholic drinks, and red wine has a massive effect that, on me, overwhelms the pleasure derived from it.
 
Apple doesn't sell beurtbalkjes.
 
Hint: neither do supermarkets
 
10:55 PM
They do, just not for sale.
OTOH Apple does have bangalijstjes.
 
@MartinJames Weird, I can drink 0.75 litre bottle of quality wine without consequences the next morning if I drink some water with it.
 
They /sell/'em but not /for sale/?
 
But they appeared not to be Bokitoproof.
 
@VáclavZeman You're one of the majority then. I can drink two bottles of Chardonnay and just get drunk. A couple of large glasses of red and I'm in trouble next day :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well then. Great, I guess.
 

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