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Ell
9:01 PM
@Puppy isn't it less complicated to have a fixed ABI?
well, fixed ABI per cpu architecture or something
 
Yey, calendar skip doesn't take forever on medium worlds
@Ell Ahahaha you think you can get software people to agree on something
 
@CatPlusPlus I was trying to make a joke but didn't think of something to actually work
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus if the ABI is specified in the wide standard then I'm sure it'll be easy :P
 
like
 
Go has more books than D at least
 
9:02 PM
I tried the D but it was not Wide enough
 
Ell
especially since there won't be any different implementations soon
 
remember people, safety first
 
meh, next time
 
Or ever
 
I actually have a D compiler installed, wut
 
9:04 PM
@Ell No. Because then you can't change it.
 
I wonder why and what I can do with it
 
@Ell Not making it easy for people to build other implementations certainly won't help that matter.
 
Ell
@Puppy hmm good point
 
Unpaused and wondered why the miners were not getting to work on my designated digs.
There's no path to it.
 
you suck at making cities hth
 
9:07 PM
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Q: Ambiguous reference to namespace within an inline namespace

GriwesAssume the following code: namespace test { namespace detail { } inline namespace v1 { namespace detail { void foo() { } } } } int main() { test::detail::foo(); } As we can see, this code comp...

I suck at titles.
 
it's ambiguous to me. +1 to gcc
 
Xeo
This looks cool
 
The title's fine.
@RyanHaining same
 
Ell
@thecoshman I hate this guy
 
> Please tag questions about C++14 with the c++ tag, along with the c++14 tag.
 
9:11 PM
@Rapptz Let me tag with 6 tags.
 
@Griwes Clang is correct.
 
So the Lounge is already divided. :D
 
I'm going to say gcc is correct.
 
Ugh it's impossible to find an embark location without the fucking aquifer
Fuck those things
 
@Griwes Is 3-1 really 'divided'?
 
9:12 PM
@Rapptz ...yes.
 
@Cat disable them?
 
Not really.
 
Yeah I nuked the tags
 
Or embark at the border of a biome without one.
From below you can drain an aquifer to the caverns.
 
it could figure it out based on what you're looking for inside the namespace, but if you had namespace a = test::detail; that would seem like a more definite ambiguity to me
 
9:15 PM
@RyanHaining Now find me a standard quote and post an answer. :D I tried in the obvious place, but unless I missed something, it wasn't there.
 
but clang doesn't have a problem with that either
 
Hmm, it's cold enough to wear a hood, it seems.
 
Of course I'm not wearing one.
 
9:16 PM
Nice.
 
Johannes reported it..
 
:)
That did not surprise me one bit
 
I guess I'll take his word for it.
 
Ancient bug with a patch that's vanished into the ether, alas.
I'll check into this in the standard when I get home tomorrow, if not beaten to it. For now though I think this is good enough.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Johannes has lots of those.
:D
 
9:17 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 7.3.1. Note 7
I think
 
is that C++11 or C++14?
The question is tagged with C++14.
 
Nte 8 sorry, c++11
ah
 
There should be an equivalent clause in the C++14 standard anyhoo.
Just a different chapter probably.
 
@Rapptz just checked, same reference
in 3690
 
And in n3797?
 
9:19 PM
I only have n3337 (Jan 2012) here. 7.3.1/8 approaches this topic but I'm not sure it proves GCC right. Hell, it may suggest Clang is right.
 
language-lawyer tag..
 
let's dust out the ol' C++14 standard.
I have N3936
 
> Finally, looking up a name in the enclosing namespace via explicit qualification (3.4.3.2) will include members of the inline namespace brought in by the using-directive even if there are declarations of that name in the enclosing namespace.
that has to be it
 
yes
 
oh, using directive
 
Xeo
9:21 PM
Soo. anyone want a Master Reboot, Stick it To The Man or Ether One key?
 
see, this passage doesn't really talk about this case either way
 
Uh finally managed to get NSight HUD to show up
 
I just got a text saying someone is trying to change my security information.
Uh oh.
 
check who sent the text : )
 
9:24 PM
ah, Puppy got it
didn't spot that the using directive is inserted for you
so I was accidentally right
 
Issue is
It doesn't tell me what email
 
who uses inline namespaces
 
it just says ******@hotmail.com
How am I supposed to guess what that is?
Thanks Microsoft
 
Ask Microsoft, they have good hotlines.
 
posted on August 21, 2014 by Stephan T. Lavavej - MSFT

Visual Studio 14 CTP3 is now available , with support for C++11 thread_local, C++11 quick_exit/at_quick_exit, and C++14 sized deallocation. For reference, here's an updated table. (Previous tables: VS 2008 and VS 2010 , VS 2010 and VS 2012 , VS 2013 and...(read more)

 
9:27 PM
wow, CTP3.
guess they weren't shitting about that new Agile stuff.
 
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A: Ambiguous reference to namespace within an inline namespace

T.C.GCC is correct. §3.4.3.2 [namespace.qual]/p2-3, emphasis mine: For a namespace X and name m, the namespace-qualified lookup set S(X,m) is defined as follows: Let S'(X,m) be the set of all declarations of m in X and the inline namespace set of X (7.3.1). If S'(X,m) is not empty, S(X,m) i...

:headache:
 
I thought it was Visual Studio "14"? With the stupid quotes
 
Well, they kinda were.
Pushing out new features before the old ones are done is kinda shitty.
 
yeah, Agile is more than just releasing a broken nightly build every few months
at least it should be
 
Wow, "partial" support for constexpr?
 
9:31 PM
wtf
Microsoft passwords can only be up to 16 characters?
 
You know, constexpr is the one fucking thing I'm waiting for on MSVC.
 
Meaning they support a few bugs.
Er, a few things.
 
ooh I can vote for that c++1y synonym now!
 
typical.
 
fuck, too late
 
9:32 PM
The one fucking thing I'm waiting for on MSVC is variadic templates.
 
@EtiennedeMartel means that they support constex only ..
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :D
 
I post the first correct answer, but Lightness gets all the upvotes and the accept.
 
@Puppy Come on, he has more content.
 
9:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, that as well.
 
@quantdev IRTA constsex.
 
So, two things, really.
 
@Puppy I think you should start a post on meta regarding this. You are well loved there and will definitely garner sympathy and support.
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I didn't even know this was a badge.
 
9:33 PM
@Rapptz jealous now
 
Puppy love..
 
@Griwes None of which is needed to definitively state that test::detail should include test::v1::detail.
 
I have that too, for C++0x IIRC.
 
er, apparently I have it too. what
 
I upvoted his answer because he didn't end it with 'Arguably, I would say that Clang's behaviour is superior, but GCC's is correct.'
 
9:34 PM
of course I can't just click on the tick to find out how
 
@Puppy, so full support for constsex from them ? No ambiguity ?
 
@Rapptz I didn't mind that passage. I do think my answer is superior but only because I quoted the full standard text and bolded both key phrases not just one
 
I don't like it when people do that most of the time
It's a minor pet peeve of mine
Man.
 
haha... I got "Synonymizer" [sic] for -> . Awesome.
 
I haven't used hotmail in years.
Why would I get a text?
I don't think I've ever set up 2 factor auth for any hotmail account
 
9:36 PM
@Rapptz What bit don't you like?
 
Bolding is for chumps.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 'X is superior even though Y is right'.
 
being correct by Standard does not make it the optimal behaviour in general.
the Standard can define suboptimal behaviour just fine.
 
I know
But I disagree with this being one of those cases.
 
@Rapptz ok
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A: c++ open file with ifstream

AliceYou can use an array of chars in order to open a file with ifstream as so: char file_name[25]; ifstream infile; infile.open(file_name); You can use exception handling to make sure that infile has a valid input stream. For example: infile.eof(); returns true if you reach the end of the file....

^ GO!
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's what I was afraid was coming ;p
 
9:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't let sbi hear you.
 
That'd be "Bolding is for chimps".
 
back from a ban, Final Contest changes his id to lpapp again, and starts his own blog with rants on Meta expertflow.wordpress.com
 
wow that guy is angry
 
@TemplateRex What the flying hell is wrong with that guy.
Does he want to kill all the users of SO by making them bleed out from their eyes?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes heh
 
9:40 PM
@Griwes he will self-destruct in no time, one more discussion on meta and the mods will ban him for a year
 
@TemplateRex That background will still be killing people, though.
 
why would you start a blog to tell people something's wrong with SO?
just leave SO and never use it again
 
> unfortunately, it raises the well-known noise vs. signal ratio.
 
@AlexM. noo, he wants to be recognized
 
This so doesn't belong in a generic GL control
 
9:42 PM
like the Swede in hell on wheels
 
> why are there even downvotes at all on a “welcoming site”?
oh dear
@TemplateRex what is the relevance of "lpapp"? I don't get it
 
so, he's looking for attention?
 
"Oh, have I mentioned to you that a 100+ K reputation user has quit the site not much after he nominated himself for a moderator position? "
 
that blog post is about 85% correct, to be fair to the guy
 
that would be H2C03
 
9:44 PM
damn it MS
 
how'd you get my number
this doesn't make sense
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he's the #1 answerer in Qt, and uses that gold C++ badge as a license to pick edit wars with others
I ran in him a few times
 
lol
 
@TemplateRex lol.... yeah cos that's a GREAT example
 
9:45 PM
So he's basically a troll?
 
@Griwes no he's a zealot
 
@TemplateRex still IDGI with the "lpapp" but nm
@StackedCrooked it's a double-voting bug cos of doubled-up keyword
 
@Rapptz I better create .
 
c++zzzzzzzzz
 
9:47 PM
@TemplateRex is he banned for good?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you mean, why he uses the lpapp name, or what?
 
@TemplateRex it just seemed like you thought him changing his name to lpapp was significant and/or bad
 
I think he brought it up so we would know about the name change
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh no, but I couldn't find him today, just wanted to check how his first day out of jail went ;-)
 
9:48 PM
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Q: What will C++17 be?

Lightness Races in OrbitThe next version of the standard is probably C++17. Will C++17 be a "major" version of C++, or just minor improvements on the newly-approved C++14?

@TemplateRex ok ;p
@Rapptz ok thx
 
oy man
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't even.
 
that is a terrible question
 
sorry for being slow
 
lol
 
9:49 PM
@Rapptz just don't delete it and I'll be the tag king :D
 
This question appears to be off-topic because it attempts to steal the C++1z tag from me. — Griwes 25 secs ago
 
lol @ who closed
 
9:50 PM
wtf, I created a tag a while ago, who nuked it?
 
@Rapptz those names look familiar somehow
fuck I should have tagged too, so that I could reopen on my own while you're asleep
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
(I can't on my own q, actually, I think)
 
Has to be there from the start anyway.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's what I meant. too late now even if it had been possible at all
 
9:51 PM
now I have to wait 2 days to vote to delete :(
what a useless privilege.
 
What?
I can vote straight away.
 
yeah 20k+ people have that privilege
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So re-ask as a new question (and self-answer).
 
don't do it :(
 
10k has to wait 2 days after close date
 
9:52 PM
look at my gorgeous hair and pretty face
how can you delete my post :(
bah. it's gone. you all must be homosexuals!
 
@TemplateRex What would you even tag with ?
There's nothing on the topic worth tagging.
 
@Rapptz nana, not even going to bite :-)
but basically, anything related to current, post-c++14 proposals
 
I will bounce back
 
Glad I took a screenshot. Will take me some time to get to see deleted posts. :D
 
@TemplateRex "I won't answer this. But, here's my answer: <x>"
 
9:54 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit From the looks of things, her front is probably pretty bouncy too!
 
I looked at question relevant to the proposals post-C++14 and found zero.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Rapptz and I had a little disagreement on proper tagging
 
When I looked for answers I found one, your answer :v
it was an off-hand mention too
 
There are a few questions about C++17 #wtf
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit C++1z!
I wonder what they will choose for C++20.
 
9:55 PM
c++4.3.2
 
C++1aa?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Where?
 
btw, Scott M. in his book uses " = all versions", " = c++98 only", "" = c++11 and c++14" and " = c++14 only"
 
9:56 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit C++14 should've been C++1x, FWIW.
 
I mean, I don't see them.
 
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Q: Compile-time reflection in C++17?

VincentThere is a study group in the C++ standardization committee to provide compile-time reflection in C++17 or after. I would like to know what is exactly the purpose and how powerful the expected tools will be? For example will it be possible to name functions or classes using these tools? struct ...

 
@Griwes No, it should not.
C++1x was something else.
 
retagged
hah, does that mean I win?
 
no
 
9:57 PM
You know, that sounds like the kinda of question that should be asked in chat, not SO.
 
@Griwes Kinda, except idiots started calling C++0x C++1x so it was too late
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you going to delete this one too :(
 
Yeah that's a bad question tbh
 
Someone voted down this question... wtf! It may not add anything in coding but I sure as hell didn't new about accessing an enumerator_list from an static_assert in compilation time. This is an awesome feature. The future looks bright — Claudiordgz Mar 5 at 18:54
ಠ_ಠ
 
I gave it a -1 just now
 
Someone here doesn't understand that a question about a positive feature can be horrible.
 
9:58 PM
Something something the future looks orange
 
Ahahahahahah we will take it below 0 :D
 
the question is meh but the answer is fine
 
ok, I'm starting to see high school colleagues doing the ice water bucket challenge
what the fuck is up
 

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