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3:00 PM
The amount of weasel in that sentence might be a little too much. It's probably in the genus Mustela as a separate species.
 
@thecoshman wut
 
@AlexM. calm down, it's just a saying
 
I need to read this closer at home, looks like an interesting POV from someone not raised here
the ideas are well rooted though
 
Why the f-word do I know the genus of weasels.
 
it will probably take force to change the whole nation's POV
as ugly as it may seem, I think brainwashing everyone into thinking they're not pieces of shit is the best approach
 
3:04 PM
@AlexM. Look at USA
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I'd rather not
 
one of the things I hate about the UK is the national attitude.
 
@thecoshman @sbi was you who retweeted it?
 
it seems to be "We're great because a hundred years ago our ancestors built an empire!".
 
@Puppy we get it, you hate national shite
 
3:08 PM
@Puppy "Look at us being colonized by Pakistan!"
 
heh
@thecoshman Honestly, if you're gonna have a nationlistic attitude, you could at least have a nationalistic attitude, not a half-assed "We used to be great" thing.
 
What if it is "We used to suck"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe they were great at it
 
"We used to suck, but then we killed off all the natives".
 
@Puppy isn't it good though to acknowledge you are lost ground, that you need to think about why you are losing position and think about how to recover? Thinking more about general use cases here, not just nationalistic empire shite
 
3:14 PM
Nationalism is dumb and outdated
 
@thecoshman We lost position because we didn't want to be the guys enslaving all the natives anymore, we won't recover it and don't want to.
 
@CatPlusPlus I think a pinch of nationalism is good
 
the reality is, the UK is a pretty small nation
 
@Puppy Called it!
 
3:16 PM
even with our pretty developed technology and economy, we are going to have a limited punch on the world stage.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Haven't seen anything that'd convince me
 
@Puppy again, thinking more about the the general principles, not in any way trying to argue the need to ride out to africa and 'bag me some...', you know, I can't help but feel I shouldn't finish that one.
 
@CatPlusPlus The country I live in. It's sinking partially because of that. Or the other way around.
 
@thecoshman Well, you're right that in the general case, if you're in a worse position than you were, you might wanna ask why that is.
 
@CatPlusPlus it can unite people to a common corse.
 
3:17 PM
It's always some dumb shit like "things done here are automatically better because they're done here"
 
but there's a difference between that and just endlessly whining about it
 
@Griwes Why blur out the blog names when we can just google the text and find the source? ._.
 
especially when the cause is obvious
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Ask the reddit OP.
 
like those dumb historical building preservation laws.
 
3:18 PM
@Puppy and sure the UK powerhouse was built on a fair bit of slavery, you can't honestly say that having developed some morals is the only reason we the UK is no longer a powerhouse.
 
hey guys, this building is old, therefore it's super valuable and you musn't touch it!!
@thecoshman Why not?
 
@thecoshman Being evil makes a lot of things easy.
 
our population is only 60 million.
how much are we supposed to achieve with a relatively limited economy?
 
@Puppy because the UK was not the only nation to use slaves, we were not the 'worst' for doing it, nor is the UK the only ones to have 'stopped'
 
no, but we were by far the most dependent on it.
the US has a base population of what, 330 million?
and they have way more natural resources too
 
3:20 PM
but sure, I (like you) am not an economist, maybe it does all boil down to 'slaves were the only thing the made Great Britain great'
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sweet :)
 
nah
 
@thecoshman Where did the Britain part come from?
 
the Industrial Revolution played a big part in it too.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae le isles
 
3:21 PM
but that part is over, everybody else industrialised, and we're too busy wanking about how great it was to move on to the next revolution.
 
@Puppy TIL I realized that UK has less than 1% of the world population.
 
Oh dear reddit. Guess what was titled "old school IT badass"?
 
yeah, I feel like we still punch way above our weight internationally
 
Learning that you realized things is nice.
 
@Puppy and does todays world revolves around who has the biggest pile? Fairly sure it's moved onto who's the smartest.
@Puppy vOv fake it till you make it
 
3:22 PM
@thecoshman What if you don't make it and just keep faking?
 
@thecoshman It's a lot easier to accumulate a bunch of really smart people when you have five times the population base to recruit them from.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes vOv if you never get caught, what's the problem :P
 
and enough natural resources to make living cheap so more people can be academics and such
 
@Puppy it's a lots easier when you ensure that everyone who can be great is given every opportunity to be great.
 
user1804599
 
3:23 PM
@thecoshman Right, which we don't.
our pathetic class system ensures that the poor never realize their potential
and our historical and ideological wanking means that we can't make rational economic and social decisions.
 
@Puppy I'd say the UK is much better than the States, not as good as it should be, but a lot easier for a poor person to rise on academic prowess alone
 
hmm.
 
@thecoshman I've heard the very opposite, but I have no data to support either argument
 
@Puppy it's harder for the poor yes, but I believe (yes, I am lacking hard facts, who else is?) that the poor in the UK have a much better chance than those in the likes of the USA.
 
dat flag
 
3:25 PM
I kinda disagree because although I feel like it's somewhat easier to rise here, I feel like you can't rise anywhere near as far, due to our smaller scale and also the fact that it seems like in the States, if you make a bunch of money then you're basically God who can use his powers to just keep making a bunch of money.
 
@SamDeHaan well, you do get damn fine scholarships in the states I think. That's not so common in the UK as I understand it.
 
@SamDeHaan That probably means they're both crap and just looking for a scapegoat to be "those guys that we are better than".
 
@thecoshman I had most of college paid for, but I aced standardized tests for breakfast, so I'm not really familiar with how available similar funding is for everybody.
 
standardized testing is bullshit.
ask the Finns.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Find out!
 
3:27 PM
you know, for once I am sad to have to leave a talk with you puppy (whilst I et the bus). Usually I can't wait to get away for your blind rants, but for once it's like a reasonable conversation.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes What is this "propaganda" you speak of
 
@sbi tl;dr
 
@Puppy completely agree. It's a very bullshit system that I benefited from.
 
@thecoshman We should fix that.
@Puppy, you're such a dumbass.
 
I'm always reasonable, you just don't always understand those reasons :P
 
3:28 PM
@sbi dat self promotion
 
sbi
@thecoshman I found this, but it doesn't seem to be what you're looking for. Oh wait, what about this?
@ParkYoung-Bae Huh?
 
@Puppy but when so many are stuck in the "but we used to be great", it kind of indicates some form of wish to recover that greatness, doesn't it?
 
@jalf Unless they all feel powerless to do so.
Then it's just apathetic reminiscing. s/a// optional
 
@jalf Sure. The problem is that they can't seem to move from "We used to be great" to "Let's actually be great."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes which is still a wish for the return to that greatness
 
3:31 PM
and secondly
 
@sbi Kidding
 
@Puppy Or the alternative: "we used to be great. That was a long time ago. Fuckit" :p
 
ultimately, our previous greatness level was totally unsustainable and we never can go back.
 
sbi
Kids today. Just kidding around.
 
@Puppy Wait, I work with a Finn. Should I ask him?
 
3:32 PM
Denmark used to be pretty great too
 
Is this a competition?
 
@jalf But then immigration
 
Losing a couple of wars works wonders for getting over any delusions of grandeur :p
 
@EtiennedeMartel I probably should have said "Finnish". It's Finnish rather than Finns, right?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae no, then getting stomped on by England, Sweden and Germany :p
 
3:32 PM
@jalf shhh I'm trying to derail the topic here
 
sbi
@jalf Then there was something rotten in the state.
 
@Puppy It... depends. I think.
I honestly never can tell.
 
Portugal once got a papal decree that let them lay claim to literally half the world. Then something happened.
 
@sbi I think that was before we became nongreat :D
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Schwanzvergleiche?
 
3:33 PM
@sbi Hmm, I think I understand that.
Not sure if I want to test my hypothesis.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Let me guess: they tried to make good on it, and then got their asses soundly kicked?
 
sbi
@jalf Of course, rot comes first, then you decay.
 
@sbi You guys sure love your long words.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just ask your colleagues what it means.
 
@sbi No, I'm pretty sure I know what it means.
 
sbi
3:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel It's not only long words this refers to.
 
lol
My boss sometimes talks on the phone with one Herr Schwanz.
 
sbi
@Puppy Christobal.
 
@sbi It's still hilarious.
 
If you watch the software industry backwards, it starts with kids flailing; ends with old guys solving impossible problems by thinking hard.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I bet everyone in the office has a hard time keeping their heads above their desks.
@ParkYoung-Bae Are you digging into my timeline?
 
3:36 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae Flailing?
 
@Jefffrey prolly a typo, not sure what it would mean in this context?
 
sbi
@ParkYoung-Bae I know that I retweeted that the other day, I don't need to search for it. What I do not know if this is where you got it from.
 
@sbi from you retweeting it the other day, maybe? :p
 
sbi
@jalf Is Cicada on Twitter?
 
mmmmmmmmaybe? :D
 
3:38 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae flailing meaning doing things at random without intelligence, as the opposite of thinking hard about things. Because compilation doesn't take a day and a half any more
 
Thanks! I didn't know that meaning
 
sbi
So now that @Park is around here, I suppose that other account name I have never heard of cannot be Cicada, too, right?
 
@Puppy Nah, things just started falling apart slowly until the whole empire collapsed in the wake of the Second Republic (~40 years ago). First Brazil in 1822, then the dumbasses of the First Republic couldn't keep a government for more than a week (there were 45 governments in 16 years) and everything went to hell from there.
 
@sbi Who's the other one?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes And you mean the guy trying to prove that, if you go west far enough, you end up east, doesn't have anything to do with that?
@Puppy Triplex.
 
3:40 PM
oh I have no idea who that is
 
@sbi Nope?
The Pope gave us the other side of the world.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We just had our navy stolen by England, and then lost the eastern part of the country to Sweden and the southern part to Germany. Suddenly there wasn't much left :D
 
^ Love these anime versions of computer systems
 
sbi
@Puppy You mean you do not see the account (have it blocked) or you don't know what the account's name used to be?
 
@jalf Surprisingly, we lost everything to the natives, and never to foreign powers.
 
3:41 PM
damn heathens :p
 
@sbi Cicada does not use Twitter if that is what you're asking.
 
@sbi I have no idea what user that is.
 
If you stretch it you can say East Timor was lost to Indonesia, since they annexed it around the time we gave them independence.
 
sbi
@jalf But Greenland was a lot left, wasn't it?
 
I'm considering bringing back the old Cicada btw.
 
sbi
3:42 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae No I wasn't asking this in the message you're referring to.
 
Or making up another character (probably arabic or indian this time)
 
sbi
@Puppy You mean you do not see the account (have it blocked) or you don't know what the account's name used to be?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We generally lost ours to the natives, although quite a few of them peacefully declared independence.
@sbi I see it, but I don't have any idea what the account name was, and a look in the profile suggests that he probably never had a known account here. Low activity, a few months old.
 
sbi
@Puppy Ah, now I understand. Thanks for the clarification.
 
@sbi FWIW, Columbus was not Portuguese.
 
sbi
3:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think he was from Genoa, right?
 
He wasn't in the service of the Portuguese Crown either.
 
Considering applying as SP/EN community manager for SE w_w
 
@sbi Who or what is that? Wikipedia didn't seem to give anyone I could immediately detect as relevant.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did I accidentally claim that??
 
@Puppy Better known as Columbus.
@sbi Then I don't know what you mean.
 
3:45 PM
oh, that guy.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes IIRC, the papal degree divided the world into western and eastern halves, "giving" one to the Spanish and one to the Portuguese. Then rumors came trickling in that, if you go west (or east) far enough, you end up east (or west), so the division was a bit moot.
 
@sbi No, it was not. The Spanish didn't cross the Pacific to the Far East.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did I accidentally claim that??
 
The treaty also specified the antimeridian as the other divider some years later.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah. So they slapped this on as an afterthought?
 
3:51 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae good point
 
@sbi It's complicated. They could claim any lands they discovered, even if they went past each other in opposite directions :S
They realized that was stupid later on when they realized there was more interesting stuff west of the Americas/east of the Indies.
Cloves are involved at some point.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Clovis you mean? :)
Anyway, I think I need to go back to work.
Bye!
 
@sbi No, cloves, the spice.
IIRC the Portuguese found the only source of it in the world, and the Spanish started claiming the treaty line actually encircled the globe so those islands should be theirs and then they decided to fix the treaty.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
> Daft Punk may not be American, but the album totally is. Don't let the trolls make you feel bad for giving the original comment a thumbs up. It's a totally valid point. I wish YouTube wasn't run by faggots so we could destroy stupid comments with thumbs down again.
lolwut
 
4:04 PM
Was it made in America?
 
@sbi the latter, tis a good tweet indeed.
 
“@NightClubFails: Oh Shit! LMAO 😂 http://t.co/Y3yjURQSlT” @alicebyrne_ @HaileyWard_MUA @vicky_bruton @RosieMarchant
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I disagree. Daft Punk makes good music, therefore it must be American.
 
G700s looks nice but is kinda expensive for a mouse
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Black metal vOv
 
4:08 PM
Why are nice things expensive
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes partially recorded there. half the writing team is American. and the album is designed to evoke American imagery.
 
@CatPlusPlus why do you like expensive things?
 
but it was also half recorded in Paris and Daft Punk are French
so I don't see how "the album is totally American" can be defended
 
I don't like them because they're expensive
 
4:11 PM
@thecoshman He's a cat.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes expensive things have strings attached?
 
user1804599
Strings have expensive things attached.
 
4:46 PM
I cracked my elbow.
 
Xeo
Whee, finally home \o/
 
home to the lounge
 
guys
i need some help
i want to attach the spare fuse to my amp but I don't have any idea how to do it
sticky tape doesn't stick to it
 
oh, btw, did anyone add me to chat over gmail?
@BartekBanachewicz xy, what exactly is wrong?
 
@thecoshman nothing is wrong. I have a spare fuse and I want to stick it somehow to make it readily accessible when the operating one blows
 
4:52 PM
@BartekBanachewicz oh right, a sensible place?
 
@thecoshman a sensible place would be near to the original one. The question is "how"
 
@BartekBanachewicz zip tie?
maybe with a wee baggy
 
zip ties can hold cables
it's a very small glass fuse
 
1 min ago, by thecoshman
maybe with a wee baggy
 
that would be what in plain english exactly?
 
4:56 PM
a small bag
 
@BartekBanachewicz besides a zip tie will be able to hold that. fyi, you don't have to tighter the fuckers till the world collapses around a singularity
 
user1804599
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Q: Sealing an envelope on shabbat

user6759On Shabbat, is it permissible to seal an envelope that does not require moistening, ie an envelope that has a PEEL & SEAL flap?

 
user1804599
dat prohibition
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@rightfold what the fuck?
 
user1804599
 
-1
A: Sealing an envelope on shabbat

CosminI prayed to God and he told me that it is in fact permitted to seal any envelope on Shabbat, so don't worry about it.

what
 
Xeo
Well fuck. I swear I ordered this keyboard with UK layout, not US layout. Damn.
 
Can someone recommend a good build system for a small C++ project? I'm hoping to avoid having to learn the details of make. I was thinking maybe scons?
 
user1804599
I just use clang as build system. :P
 
@Xeo lol
@Xeo £fail
 
user1804599
5:02 PM
US layout = best layout.
 
Xeo
UK > *
 
@rightfold This post is off topic. It belongs to Sci-Fi and Fantasy.
 
@Xeo indeed
 
user1804599
@Xeo UK goes into the ass?
 
Xeo
US has a long left-shift key
which is annoying as fuck
 
user1804599
5:03 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Why?
 
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Q: Is it possible for a man to convert to Judaism without circumcision?

Kasper SourenIs it possible for a man to convert to Judaism without circumcision? I'm not talking about where medical reasons would prevent circumcision; I'm curious to know if an uncircumcised gentile can convert to Judaism without going through circumcision -- a man who doesn't want to get a circumcision, ...

 
user1804599
@Xeo Apple layout FTW!
 
@rightfold because all of that is fantasy.
 
user1804599
`/~ next to shift FTW. :3
 
5:04 PM
you need to provide your cock as a non-const reference when converting to judaism
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz So?
 
user1804599
This is a Stack Exchange site for that specific fantasy.
 
there's the proper keyboard layout and there are non-US layouts
 
@rightfold must.... not... flag...
 
user1804599
Indeed. Because flagging is for noobs.
 
5:06 PM
I really should by myself a nice keyboard... twice
 
um, I tried searching for something but I'm not sure if I got where I wanted: cmake.org/cmake/help/cmake_tutorial.html
 
user1804599
Why not buy yourself two nice keyboards? Then you only have to do it once!
 
is this the thing behind the projects that come with cmake configuration stuff that lets you generate project files of your choice?
 
@AlexM. lol
what if you don't have a penis?
you know, some men don't have one
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Then you suck.
 
5:08 PM
you are permanently forbidden to convert to judaism
 
@rightfold because keyboards are one of those last few things in life that I can't by just of stats... well I can, but I'd really like to try them first... but yeah, probably will just find one that looks ok and get a pair, and a pair mouses
 
judaism is just for people with #swag
 
I wonder whether they're going to check...
 
clearly, people without penises don't have #swag
there's this guy I know who finished a CS/economy college and became a tester at a company
and this other guy who finished a business stuff college and became a backend programmer at the same company
I'll never understand the first guy's situation
 
To put simply: what you did at college doesn't matter
 
5:11 PM
yes but he should have at least gone for an entry level coding job lol
testing doesn't even require anything more than high school
 
Not if he didn't want to
Which is the important part
 
shrug
 
user1804599
What if the man in question does not have a penis? — rightfold 9 secs ago
 
someone made a good point at work today. You can't be a programmer, if you are not also a tester.
 
@rightfold +1
 
5:12 PM
@AlexM. depends on the testing
 
@rightfold warning, female circumcision is a thing
 
googles
oh god
 
user1804599
@thecoshman and totally irrelevant as well.
 
@rightfold person mus get circumcised, the lack of penis is not a problem
 
I see pics of children and blood
never a good combination
 
user1804599
5:18 PM
@thecoshman female circumcision is irrelevant because I was talking about men.
 
user1804599
And women aren’t men.
 
user1804599
Are pillows made of real feathers?
 
@rightfold transgenders?
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
For example, some asshole kidnapped you and chopped off your cock.
 
5:22 PM
you need to circumcise the tube you're pissing through after the surgery
the answer puts it clearly
 
@rightfold sure, but what about transgenders?
 
you need to circumcise something for judaism acceptance
 
user1804599
I don’t know how Judaism deals with transgenderism.
 
@thecoshman you're probably not allowed to join judaism as a trans anyway
I'm sure homosexuals aren't allowed either
 
If there's one thing I'm not going to do, it's probably picking on jews
 
user1804599
5:23 PM
AFAIK homosexuality is allowed, but you cannot have sex with another man as a man.
 
@AlexM. no homo
 
@rightfold wat
 
@rightfold it's even harder to have sex with another man if you are not a man
 
user1804599
Dat pun.
 
@AlexM. bullshit
 
user1804599
5:26 PM
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A: What does Judaism think about homosexuality?

Yaakov EllisThis is a very controversial subject. However, a distinction must be made in terminology between "being gay" (which for the purposes here we could define as being sexually attracted to members of one's own gender) and engaging in homosexual acts (where Male-Male intercourse is an unambiguous viol...

 
> So with those definitions, being gay would not be a sin from a Judaism perspective. Engaging in homosexual acts is a sin.
:facepalm:
 
@rightfold not a pun
 
@rightfold sooo
it's not about what you are
it's about the fakery you make out of yourself
 
598. "Wipe out the descendants of Amalek". If you met someone whom you could prove was a descendant of Amalek. Would you kill them? — Cruncher 2 hours ago
 
5:35 PM
sounds like something religions would approve of, surely
 
user1804599
FSM best religion.
 
user1804599
I always pronounce “finite” as “finnit.”
 
why?
@rightfold heh
 
why make a parody religion
it's even lamer than the original religion
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit isn't the FSM religion a parody of christianism?
it was an example
 
@rightfold wrong, 'phi-night'
 
user1804599
I know.
 
@AlexM. no, creationism in general
(lol @ "christianism")
 
unless you mean, 'in-fi-nit'
 
user1804599
5:43 PM
@AlexM. I consider FSM more legitimate than christianity.
 
@thecoshman actually technically that pronunciation of "phi" is wrong
most scientists get it wrong
 
@rightfold it's still just an attempt at making fun of other people('s beliefs)
 
user1804599
Making fun is good.
 
user1804599
Laughing is healthy.
 
5:44 PM
healthu
 
my cthulhu is healthu
 
"JSON, or rather, JavaScript Objects" Eh? No.. — Lightness Races in Orbit 17 secs ago
 
@Abyx Huh? That's the exact output as created by the Project Template. Perhaps you'd like to notify Microsoft on their usage of _tamain ;-) — Chris O 16 mins ago
> Project Template
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's definitely an argument in favor of Scottish independence.
 
I'll take two japanese nyarlathoteps please
 
5:52 PM
Oh dear.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Smite his ass.
 
oh noes
:(
 
@AlexM. no, it was a way to calling out the hypocrisy of giving Christianity preferential treatment and a special place in the education system.
 
@AlexM. will there be a quiz later? please can there be a quiz later?
 
Wester X: the real deal
Japanese X: a loli anthropomorphisation that has nothing to do with the real deal except in name.
Replace 'X' with whatever we're talking about here. Rinse and repeat.
 
@jalf here you can switch to another religion's classes but afaik you can't opt out of religion classes
I should do some research
 
5:57 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no because it's in direct contradiction to the whole "Thou shalt not kill" bit
 
Physics humor illustrating relationships among volt, amp, and ohm. http://t.co/hB32QgH5hc
 
@AlexM. well, it originated in the US, where people were lobbying for Christianity (in the guise of creationism) to be taught alongside evolution
 
What the hell happened here: stackoverflow.com/questions/24865498/…
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@Mgetz And which commandment is that, pray tell?
 
Sounds like I missed some drama.
 
5:59 PM
what sort of piqued my curiosity is the fact that we've got days off for christian holidays, but other religions get at most (usually none) two days off for their own holidays
 
@Mysticial Oh?
 
I should have a day off for each buddhist celebration
 

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