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15:00
According to the roadmap, VS"14"+1 will probably claim to be C++14 feature-complete. That means VS"14"+4 might be C++14 feature-complete, I guess.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do they include "C++98 feature-complete" in "C++14 feature-complete"?
No compiler does.
C++98 feature-complete is not a thing.
I mean the features that are still here. :P
Yes. Two-phase lookup is one of the last things they plan to implement.
I know; I am just wondering if they remembered about it in this roadmap :P
@Ell what you think about that
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@Puppy Much better than before - is the right hand side a list of tutorials?
yes.
currently it has only one element, but that's incidental.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ahahaha "C++98 two-phase lookup" right at the end
15:08
did you copy and paste the same freehand text?
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> A type with a monad structure defines what it means to chain operations, or nest functions of that type together
Chaining is mapping and nesting is flat mapping?
hmph
you can have half a point I guess
it's still freehand
@Ell wat
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I thought I understood what a monad was for a second :P
15:10
chaining is: do this, then do that, then that, etc...
The maybe monad says: if the previous "action" resulted in a "nothing" don't do the next action; if the previous action resulted in something, use it to calculate this action. That's an example of what chaining is.
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Do all monads specify what mapping and flat mapping are?
All monads in Haskell defines return and >>= (the chaining thingy).
returns is just "wrap" this "normal" value into this monad
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I don't know haskell syntax :3
oh wait
return and >>= are just functions for what you care
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So you can't rely on being able to map any haskell monads?
15:14
What do you mean by "map"?
Don't use that word like it doesn't have three thousand meanings.
"Mapping" is functor territory
What the thing you quoted means is that there are two formulations of a monad: with bind and with join
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@Jefffrey I don't know >.<
I just saw someone say you could model a monad as this in Scala:
trait Monad[A] {
  def map[B](f: A => B): Monad[B]
  def flatMap[B](f: A => Monad[B]): Monad[B]
}
15:15
just different names.
@Ell yes, map is >>= and flatMap is return
It's fmap and bind.
terrible naming though
15:16
map is fmap, flatMap is bind
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So I thought mapping was defining what it meant to chain two monads together and flatmapping to define what happens when two monads are nested
yeah no, I was wrong: it's fmap and >>=
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Right okay
@JohanLarsson It seems quite capable of doing what it's supposed to. I don't know any details, just started out ;-)
join takes Monad<Monad<T>> and leaves Monad<T>
15:18
The map thingy is more something related to functors. A monad is also a functor though.
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Okay
I'll just keep trying
return = fmap id
join = (>>= id)
(>>=) = (join .) . flip fmap
fmap = flip (>>=) . (return .)
It's all the same.
I'm riddled with holes
15:29
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What makes you say that?
stupied question I have..
johannes fail
@Puppy The fact that he's in captivity.
15:30
vector< vector< int> > myVec; fillVector(myVec); myVec[someIdx].push_back(3)
please use the @-syntax to address a message to me
Will it make a copy of the vector in myVec at someIdx?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I didn't see that written anywhere in the article.
@Puppy He's been taken to a sanctuary to live out the rest of his days. He cannot leave the sanctuary.
I'm being facetious to a degree, because the sanctuary is probably a fantastic place for him and he needs care. But it felt like misleading wording at worst and ironic wording at best.
meh it's an animal. why care?
15:35
This guy.
and even if we should care - how'd you know what's best for an animal?
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@Abyx because it's intelligent :O
@LightnessRacesinOrbit African elephants aren't in captivity in Africa just because they can't get off the landmass and go to America without human help. Humans aren't captives just because we can't get off Earth. Captivity requires a size that's less than the animal's natural range, not just that the range is finite, at the very least.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Where do you see anything about "the rest of his days" or not being allowed to leave when he's recovered enough to do so? At a guess he'll probably at least be tracked permanently, but unless I missed part of the article, there doesn't seem to be anything saying his movement will be restricted at all.
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I mean you can take your stance as long as you'd be cool with an alient much more intelligent than you keeping you in captivity :P
15:36
> Elephants go on seasonal migrations in search of food, water and mates. At Chobe National Park, Botswana, herds travel 325 km (202 mi) to visit the river when the local waterholes dry up
@Puppy The sanctuary is not 325 km^2
@Puppy Your move.
uh huh
it wouldn't be much of a sanctuary if all the water dried up but the elephants can't leave to find more.
Can't find how big it really is, because Google sucks at collapsing the 300 duplicates of this news article into a single result.
@Abyx Are you fucking shitting me?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nope, I don't
@Puppy That's an entirely different argument.
besides, as Jerry said, there's nothing in the article saying that he is a permanent resident of the sanctuary.
15:38
@Abyx Then you can fuck off out of my life and never return. Disgusting person.
the only thing I saw in it is that he was taken there for treatment.
I mean I would do, but not now.
every living being deserves love :/
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh come on. Even my 9 year-old son knows the difference between linear distance and land area. Traveling 325 kilometers doesn't necessarily require 325 square kilometers.
@Puppy Oh, I don't see what Jerry says. But neither of you read the source, which states:
> The freed beast will be held in an isolation pen for the next week so he can receive emergency medical attention. Wildlife officials are working to raise money so Raju can spend the rest of his life in a new enclosure.
15:39
@LightnessRacesinOrbit your life? the fuck is it?
.. except when it's just a shitty fly :))
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nope, I only read the article you linked, which seems fairly reasonable to me.
@Puppy Right, so you're arguing that "you don't know that X is true" on the basis that you didn't bother to read all the facts, including "X". Interesting.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Large cage, essentially
Well it does not, does anyone have an idea where in the std it says that myArray[someIdx].doSomething() does not copy MyType if myArray is of type vector<MyType>?
15:40
@R.MartinhoFernandes From which he does his usual: draws the conclusion he finds convenient, regardless of what it actually says.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Though they can be very large; West Midland Safari Park has a monkey enclosure that you have to drive through for like 15 minutes
no, I'm saying that if you want to have a discussion about a thing, then you should link that thing, not the other thing that doesn't say all the things that thing says.
Doesn't change the fact that they are artificially captive.
@JohannesSchaub-litb where can i get one of those and does the child cost extra /r/nocontext would love this
@Puppy Too many things in that sentence.
15:40
@Puppy Oh, sorry, I thought you were intelligent enough to know how to follow a weblink. I'll know for next time.
I can, you just didn't give any indication that I should.
@EiyrioüvonKauyf lol i don't know
but seems pretty clear that you're just looking for a pissup so I'm just gonna go feed the dog @MartinJames
@Puppy Oh, sorry, I thought you were intelligent enough to know that you do not need my prompting or permission to perform basic research on the topics about which you argue. I'll know for next time.
15:41
I keep reading "chat·room /tʃæt.ɹuːm/" as "/tʃat.ɹuːm/ /tʃæt.ɹuːm/"
@R.MartinhoFernandes Too much intervening distance.
@R.MartinhoFernandes what
@Puppy Yes, he's been fed:)
@Puppy ...and even if you did, it's pretty clear that the link didn't really support the conclusion he drew anyway. It's probably justified to a degree though: releasing an animal that's been captive for 50 years into the wild would almost certainly be tantamount to a death sentence.
As such, they have little reasonable choice but to protect the animal to at least some degree.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit When I read out loud the phonetic transcription I do it correctly, but I pronounce the actual word differently.
Wildlife release processes always consist of repeatedly migrating to bigger enclosures, no?
15:44
This guy seems to be using SO to annotate all of ISO/IEC 14882
@R.MartinhoFernandes How do you say "chat room"?
"Programming since 21.08.2013" lol
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did he start at 1.8.2013 and learn C++ for 21 days, and then start programming?
@JohannesSchaub-litb I don't actually believe that, from his questions.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit /tʃat.ɹuːm/
@R.MartinhoFernandes Often, but not always. Especially if an animal lived in the wild, was injured and treated, they're often released directly back into the wild.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't speak IPA.
15:45
Can't help there, then.
The internet needs an IPA-to-speech tool.
Searched, couldn't find one.
Well, I did find one once, but was quite deficient.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's all right. LRiO is enough of a tool to make up for it.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wtf
15:46
If I had to guess, the IPA you posted looks Yankie Doodle to me, whereas the way you pronounce it is the correct way.
Unless the a in IPA implies something more akin to "chart room", in which case you're posh ;)
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Q: What is a function type

xdevel2000In C11 specification is cited the term function type as follow: A function type describes a function with specified return type. A function type is characterized by its return type and the number and types of its parameters But I don't understand if a function type is describ...

wtf
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Does it rhyme with "cat"?
"cat" rhymes with -æt.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Pardon him, Theodotus: he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature." (George Bernard Shaw).
What does /tʃat/ rhyme with?
15:49
Lemme think.
@CatPlusPlus No. Same as "cat".
@LightnessRacesinOrbit /a/ is the first vowel sound in "I".
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, rhymes with "chart"?
@xdevel2000: Because your question answers itself, as I just said. Further, before I realised it was pointless and deleted it, my answer directly quoted the specification, from the same passage that you wrote in your question, so how you can sit there and say it's "not correct" is beyond me. Have you taken any mind-altering drugs today, by any chance? — Lightness Races in Orbit 37 secs ago
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Close enough, yeah.
6 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
Unless the a in IPA implies something more akin to "chart room", in which case you're posh ;)
Very strange pronunciation ;p
Could even call it unpronunciation
15:54
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know. I'm aware of it, but the pinned message makes me painfully aware.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I hope it burns through your soul with the heat of a thousand surns
I'm curious: does it sound peculiar to you when you hear others speak the word?
No.
When I was transcribing it, I knew it should be one of /æ/ or /ə/ (in English, anything can be /ə/!), but not /a/.
It's just that my brain is not wired properly to produce the correct one subconsciously.
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I wonder how well string encoding is supported on the jvm
or scala
I'm looking at stringprep and it looks like its gonna be unicode stuff :o
@Alex
hm weird ping
btw was that from BoredPanda // the elephant thing @LightnessRacesinOrbit
16:10
I'm terrible at fabricating good software architectures. Absolutely terrible.
@EiyrioüvonKauyf ?
darn, who posted the panda link...
Xeo
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Still raining...
@Jefffrey well of course you are.
@EiyrioüvonKauyf what?
Xeo
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16:11
I wanna ride my bike home :(
You don't figure out the good ways until you've done the bad ways fifteen or twenty times
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lemme just look in the transcript... *elephant link, the link about the elephant in the sanctuary now
hm
gaming at full sRGB feels nice
@SamDeHaan eh, I wish I had the time to fail 20 times
@Jefffrey Well, typically that's over the course of a few years. Any particular project you'll fail once or twice and get guidance to push you in a better direction
16:32
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Yes; what about it?
where did you find the link?
oh, right
I read your initial message as "that was from BoredPanda" originally (it wasn't)
um it came up on Facebook. there are about 200 news sites covering it atm so take your pick
lulz:
@LightnessRacesinOrbit, well I made that post when you have deleted your question that said that a function type is described only by a return type. And, I don't take any drugs. I don't think you can say that. The respect is important. Greetings. — xdevel2000 32 mins ago
printf("what does the fox say?");
@BartekBanachewicz lolwtf
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@Ell String.getBytes takes an encoding.
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16:44
The reverse also exists and also takes an encoding, but I forgot what it was called.
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new String IIRC.
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Kk cool
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There’s also a default encoding but that’s terrible. Avoid.
a function type is described by return, parameter, ellipsis, presence of packs and const/volatile
not sure about the throws thing
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@rightfold I want to initialise a Set (any kind of set, doesn't really matter atm but I think ListSet is deprecated?) with some elements - what is the syntax for this? Do you know?
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16:46
Set(1, 2, 3).
user1804599
See Set object, apply method specifically.
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Ahh thank you
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I was looking in scala.collection.immutable.set
@BartekBanachewicz must be because I linked my careers.so to my linkedin and you also have both (?)
16:48
@AlexM. yup
I don't think we're connected on linkedin though
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@Ell What is set?
we're most likely not connected, yeah
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@rightfold A trait
ah of course
traits can't do anything on their own :3
user1804599
That’s Set, not set.
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oh
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16:49
You can click this icon to switch between trait and companion object:
user1804599
Nothing happened.
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I wonder also if java has unicode normalization built in :S
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Oh cool :D
16:57
lol, clang-cl.
> error MSB6006: "CL.exe" exited with code -1073741701.
That's how far it goes.
My code is too sexy for any compiler on Windows.
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mingw64? :P
ICEs at some point.
17:08
  The CMAKE_C_COMPILER:

    gcc.exe

  is not a full path and was not found in the PATH.

...

$ gcc
gcc.exe: fatal error: no input files
compilation terminated.

$
Fuck you CMake.
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I gave up with trying to develop on Windows after CMake failed at Just Working.
But, but it tried to find it in the PATH..
@Griwes same here.
Linux or MAC OS for the win.
Just... not being able to compile llvm (in)sanely is a no-go.
@cyberspace009 They suck about the same.
Well, Linux for sure does, and Mac probably also does, because it's Apple.
@Griwes then what OS do you use?
17:11
> For the "win"
Linux, to bootstrap my own \o/
@Griwes oh, better to look into that
dat pun
@milleniumbug ...really...?
I think Windows is the best
looks at the angry mob
17:12
WIndows is best for gaming.
@AlexM. I'm not having any probs with windows 7 and ubuntu for now.
Linux is best for development, but they both ultimately suck.
but then...
what if you develop for the gaming crowd?
I don't.
@AlexM. Then "haha"
Sucker.
17:13
lol
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@AlexM. linux is future of gaming anyway :D
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@AlexM. Then you are doomed regardless.
meh, my development really means starting up Unity and/or VS and writing C#
windows never really failed me, ever
@Ell I hope so.
@Ell lol no
17:15
from this POV
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@Griwes Why not? :(
@Ell Because linux is a fucking bullshit.
Keep gaming on the bullshit it's on.
WTF fingers.
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> a bullshit
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Linux is a software.
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It's not :P
17:16
Don't make it spread further to two different bullshit platforms.
Linux is a huge pile of stinky shit.
Linux is a sequence of instructions executed by the processor.
30 secs ago, by Griwes
Linux is a huge pile of stinky shit.
I wonder if valve will ever manage to convert the big publishers to fund games for steam os
so basically linux
Monolithic Kernels are fun.
@cyberspace009 Jesus Christ, man, get out.
17:18
@Griwes lol
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Lots of game engines are adding linux ports
user1804599
GNU Hurd ftw.
27 secs ago, by Griwes
@cyberspace009 Jesus Christ, man, get out.
linux is based on Monolithic Kernels and yes Linux does suck ass for that.
Monolith Productions (or simply Monolith) is a Kirkland, Washington-based computer game developer. Monolith is also known for the development of the graphical game engine LithTech, which has been used for most of their games. Between 1997 and 1999, Monolith also published games, some developed by the studio, some by third parties. Monolith's internally developed technology is currently available to be licensed to 3rd-parties through the company Touchdown Entertainment. In 2004, Monolith Productions was acquired by Warner Bros., a subsidiary of Time Warner. List of video games 1997–...
17:19
@cyberspace009 Why are You Capitalizing random Words?
these guys made badass games
@AlexM. Did they make condemned?
it clearly says in that list that they did
but seriously condemned is like the least interesting game on their history
FEAR, Septerra Core, Blood and Gorky 17 are the best
and I guess that NOLF
never played/liked NOLF
septerra core? I bought that game in steam
yeah septerra core is what you get when western developers decide to make a JRPG
and it actually works out well
17:24
@AlexM. hmmm. Interesting.
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@AlexM. New avatar?
yes, last one was too badly cropped
I go through lots of tormenting time trying to place things properly both on the PC and IRL
it's hard to believe something is really centered even when the math says so
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Mmm.
user3010322
So I just met someone named Spandana.
user3010322
Like Bandana.
user3010322
17:26
But with the Spandex sound.
user3010322
I want to name my children Spandana or something cool like that.
googling Spandana results in a lot of pics of indian women
user1804599
Is it a Spanish bandana?
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@rightfold how can I write the following idiomatically?
profile.normalization.fold(() => return input)((form: Normalizer.Form) => return Normalizer.normalize(input, form))
user1804599
Remove return.
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17:31
where profile.normalization is a Option[Normalizer.Form] ?
ahh
I wonder if I'll be able to sell this junk in ~2 years
user1804599
@Ell profile.normalization.fold(input)(Normalizer.normalize(input, _))
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It comaplains that the second thing is a string and not a () => String
kk
user1804599
Wait, I’m confused.
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:P
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17:33
fold takes a value and a binary function.
user1804599
Not a nullary function and a unary function. :v
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Oh. :P
user1804599
What do you want to do?
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final def fold[B](ifEmpty: ⇒ B)(f: (A) ⇒ B): B
If it's empty I want to return the original string
user1804599
What class is that method on?
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17:34
if it's not I want to normalize the string with said form and then return it
@rightfold Option
user1804599
Oh, I see.
user1804599
profile.normalization.map(Normalizer.normalize(input, _)).getOrElse(input)
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Is this one more idiomatic?
Mine is shorter :P
user1804599
I don’t know how fold works on Option.
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> Returns the result of applying f to this scala.Option's value if the scala.Option is nonempty. Otherwise, evaluates expression ifEmpty.
user1804599
17:38
> This is equivalent to scala.Option map f getOrElse ifEmpty.
user1804599
lol
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haha oh yeah :L
user1804599
Then profile.normalization.fold(input)(Normalizer.normalize(input, _)) should work.
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Wheee
user1804599
GO GERMANY
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17:44
user1804599
What does “call” mean in “call-by-name?”
Obviously calling whoever wrote the code
@Xeo I finished all routes. Should the moon route be triggered automatically? I just get the regular start screen. Perhaps the save data corruption is why.
@Xeo Now playing through all routes in fast-forward mode.
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@Xeo After humans, flies are really the dumbest creatures on Earth.
Xeo
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@StackedCrooked It should allow you to choose what to start
and the start screen should also be different
user1804599
17:52
You try to swat them for hours and they keep coming back.
Hm.. if I click start then the regular game starts.
user1804599
Or they fly against the window a hundred times and then still go on.
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@rightfold they're smarter than you, though: you keep swatting them even though you don't get them :P
Already finished Kotori and Chihaya in fast skip mode.
Xeo
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@StackedCrooked Weird
prolly the corruption though, yeah
user1804599
17:53
@Xeo No, I use 5W lasers with auto-aiming.
user1804599
Insect destroying must be automated.
user1804599
I never cry about serious things. anyway can I just turn asexual?
huh, I shot down a laser in FTL with another laser.
I've only seen drones be shot down before

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