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Xeo
Xeo
13:01
FUCK YOU INTELLISENSE
ARGH
ASSERT(stuff);
if (!stuff) return false;
as soon as I have that twice in the file, it stops highlighting the code correctly
Xeo
Xeo
if I only add one or the other line, it still works
Impressive.
> Some dwarves have life-long dreams and it is possible for them to recognize that they've accomplished the ones relating to skills and family. They cannot yet realize their dreams of taking over the world.
Xeo
Xeo
Okay, I upgraded my four nested std::maps to four nested std::maps and a std::vector at the end
13:08
> Rumors of incidents can be spread, and the rumors need to be spread before you gain reputation (good or bad). Killing all of the witnesses to an event will effectively remove it from play if you don't let them get off the screen.
Awesomes.
Hi guys, do you find if I ask a quick question not related to C++?
@R.M I think I'll fuck 3G and just add GPS into that slot. That shouldn't even need an antenna
@user1892991 we don't find
Adventure mode stars to sound super fun.
@user1892991 Try it and we'll see :) Right now, not knowing anything about your question, it is impossible to answer your pre-question proto-question.
@BartekBanachewicz Hmm, dunno, sounds like a redundant waste of money. Don't you have GPS on your phone?
13:11
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do. But sometimes (i.e. for car navigation) having a builtin GPS (or builtin whatever really) makes life easier
Wait what. You do car navigation with a laptop?
I'm trying to install a program on my computer but keep getting a message which says "may not have installed properly, install with recommended settings?", then if I reinstall it and run the exe I get another message saying that I am missing the IO.oxc file, any ideas on how to sort this out?
Try jumping
*IO.ocx
@R.MartinhoFernandes My dad did a lot after I've installed Garmin's software on his netbook. He was extremelly pleased with it.
13:12
Where do you put the thing?
Please don't say your lap.
under the windshield
he also wanted to add a dedicated mount for it but never did it I think
also he mostly uses GPS on family trips, so that's on passenger's lap sometimes too
@BartekBanachewicz Dunno, that sounds way too dangerous for me.
well, driving a car also sounds dangerous to you
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz Fucking finally.
But this sounds dangerous regardless of driver.
Keeping loose objects like that in a moving vehicle is just asking for trouble.
13:17
meh, it sits rather firmly from what I recall
but having a mount is certainly a better option
It's not the normal driving that's the issue :v
Also meh beh food in transit
Who mentioned food?
Me
I'm hungry
And waiting
Oh. I thought "food in transit" meant "eating while driving".
13:21
I'm drivin around in my chair and not eating because food hasn't arrived yet beh
anyway my research conducted that while it could be possible to add 3G/4G to Yoga, it would require getting some kind of antenna or disconnecting one of the WiFi ones, getting a separate sim slot that overlays some connection pins, and either paying shitload for whitelisted card or flashing an unlocked bios
Xeo
Xeo
okay, IntelliSense also doesn't like it if I put an empty line after a certain line
user3010322
Ignore intellisense almost always.
hehe
hehehehehehe
Hi folks!
13:24
So much VS-related Schadenfreude.
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz What's wonderful is that now I have to wait some 5-6 years before OpenGL 4.5 disseminates enough for me to actually use it. So now I just sit around and twiddle my thumbs and hope that because it's core faggots like Intel will implement it in their stuff actually.
What.
Up-to-date OpenGL drivers are not hard to come by.
@R.Martinho I'm not happy when folks have a prob with their compiler suite. Who is?
I am.
I am allowed.
13:26
why? :)
....how did @ThePhD go down to 300 rep? did it overflow lol
I have suffered.
They brought it on themselves and it's funny
user3010322
@EiyrioüvonKauyf I've always had 300 rep.
Also, I feel a lot of "I told you so".
I remember a time when I would get strong opposition whenever I dissed VS.
Xeo
Xeo
13:28
Only if it was related to VS itself, not for IntelliSense
@R.MartinhoFernandes They've really gone down a lot recently.
and the code people want to write has become much more complex.
What do you expect? Recruitment guys look for things they know. They may about "Visual C++", even if they`'re IT- nobs. So it's not the coder folks themselves but the industry.
Xeo
Xeo
What.
13:29
What.
James Watt
user3010322
Was.
huh?
Kein Deutsch, bitte.
user3010322
(That's german for what!)
Xeo
Xeo
13:29
You can stop now
i'm going to make a picture -> C++ compiler now just to have "Visual C++" stop being such a lie . now to make it grayscale or rgba/voxels
lol
did you just swear...
13:31
No.
It's not swearing where I come from.
"caralho" is punctuation.
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes auto-detects as Galician for me.
Weird.
It detects Portuguese correctly for me.
I'm not surprised with it confusing with Galician, though I don't think they use the punctuation word there.
Yaaaaaaaaaay fooood
Xeo
Xeo
It translates as "what caralho".
Yes that's the joke
Xeo
Xeo
13:34
No, it's not
I think I'll buy ArtRage
I reject your assessment
user3010322
Why is everyone so surprised. <_>
10 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Up-to-date OpenGL drivers are not hard to come by.
user3010322
13:37
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that statement. It's going to take a while before OpenGL 4.5 machinery spreads into the market. It's also going to be a while before Intel and the companies missing DSA actually implement DSA.
@ThePhD right, we shouldn't be surprised, it came from you
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unless you have a VAIO
Well, yeah. I meant for computers, not fashion accessories.
@ThePhD Except on Apple devices it's Apple blocking the drivers on GL 4.0
While Intel has 4.3 already?
@ThePhD DSA is already implemented.
13:38
Fuck Apple
Intel has no impetus to do anything :| AMD is so far behind....
@BartekBanachewicz My apple has 4.1 drivers
@CatPlusPlus more like everyone T___T
@CatPlusPlus that's a very good critique alright.
lol wat
You have to request a core profile though. If you ask for compatibility, you get 2.1 or something
13:39
TIL M.2 exposes I2C interface
@ThePhD It's been implemented on NVidia drivers since 2008 and AMD drivers since 2010.
So yeah. No one should be surprised by such a statement, since there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
It might indeed take 5-6 years, if you are traveling back in time.
heh 3.2GB/s SSDs are fun
What exactly is "OpenGL 4.5", if I may ask.
It's OpenGL 4.5
Specs?
13:44
@Solkar OpenGL version 4.5?
user3010322
"What's the meaning of [Word]?"
"It's [word]."
This goes places fast.
I have no idea what he's asking that a wikipedia search wouldn't answer
@Solkar Specs?
To understand recursion you need to understand repeating old unfunny jokes
@Bartek. Yes, that's what I ask for. I only know OpenGL specs up to 4.4.
13:46
I can't remember where I've stopped watching Friends
@Solkar so 4.5 is the next version.
@CatPlusPlus better start at S1E1, just to be safe
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes In the meantime, when I last checked a number of months ago my intel driver for OpenGL (created at 3.3 and 3.1) it did not have DSA and searches and questions to others indicated that while it indeed was just fine for NVidia and AMD, Intel was behind the curve and thus emulation was still necessary.
Imagine that... And where are the specs or proposals for that?
user3010322
@Solkar I'm surprised you've never googled anything ever before in your existence.
13:47
@Solkar They are not released to the public yet I think
Xeo
Xeo
Sooo... it's been raining for the past 8 or 9 hours.
fun stuff.
@ThePhD Yes, Intel has not implemented this particular extension. It won't be an extension anymore.
As soon as they release drivers with OpenGL 4.5 support, that's it.
Also NV_bindless_texture is turning into ARB_bindless_texture
AFAIK they have 4.3 drivers, and only NVidia has 4.4. At least as of a few months back.
that's very good news
13:49
@ThePhD: I have a habit of talking to people occasionally instead of asking bots. Especially in chat rooms, you know.
@Solkar I'm a bot.
@Bartek: That would be my guess as well. So what is the point about discussing 4.5 machinery now?
@Solkar Translation: I have a habit of wasting people's time?
13:52
@jalf: That's how you translate "chatroom"?
Ell
Ell
I'm bad at scala
@ThePhD Once you use an engine it doesn't matter though right?
@Solkar No, it is a subtle hint that you should consider using google instead of wasting other people's time asking them to do it for you
Also fuck internet fucking explorer etc, I'm really annoyed right now
grrrr
@jalf: I do not recall having wasted your time.
user3010322
@Ell Once you get through emulating all the features you want, sure. :D
chat·room /tʃæt.ɹuːm/ noun human-powered search engine.
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13:54
@ThePhD it doesn't make sense to write your own engine for every possible platform anyway nowadays
Ell
Ell
@ThePhD Well of course you have to emulate features you don't have in the driver yet. The same is the case for direct X
But you can conditionally check supported features and choose to emulate or not
My driver supports 4.4
@Ell When it comes to DSA that eliminates a primary benefit.
Ell
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess that's true for DSA in particular
@Ell also some features are not supported but work :P
Ell
Ell
well actually a check to whether dsa is supported is cheaper than a check if a texture is bound, right?
13:56
13 mins ago, by Solkar
What exactly is "OpenGL 4.5", if I may ask.
9 mins ago, by Solkar
Imagine that... And where are the specs or proposals for that?
lol "How to monitor your 'net usag to avoid get charged" aka, you're ISP sucks
7 mins ago, by Solkar
@ThePhD: I have a habit of talking to people occasionally instead of asking bots. Especially in chat rooms, you know.
@Ell It doesn't make for simpler code, though.
Ell
Ell
Yeah good point
user3010322
I need a gnarly model to render.
user1804599
13:58
@Ell Improve your Scala skills!
@jalf Solkar is looking like the new Crow
Ell
Ell
@rightfold I'm trying :D But I need help :P
user1804599
With what?
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Just what we needed...
Crow is fine.
13:59
*now fine // if you look at the first few chat logs.....
user3010322
Crow just has eerily consistent and recurring existential crises.
He asks all kinds of weird stuff out of the blue but mostly out of misunderstanding/lack of understanding, not lack of research.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that's fair, actually
Ell
Ell
@rightfold Well I'm starting out pretty basic. Just a JID class, having 4 parts to it (local, domain, ifqdn, resource). I want those values to be public to read but not to write and I want 2 constructors, one which takes each thing and one which parses a string for you
@rightfold when a boy reaches a certain age...
Ell
Ell
14:00
but. Scala needs that all constructors call the primary constructor as the first statement I think
user3010322
Man, cl.exe is stupid
user3010322
why did they default to outputting .obj
user1804599
case class JID(local: String, domain: String, ifqdn: String, resource: String)

object JID {
  def apply(input: String): JID = parse input thing stuff code magic
}
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Yeah, there was indeed somewhat of a change.
Ell
Ell
and having the members as values means they can't be changed privately, but having them as variables means
user1804599
14:01
An alternative is:
@R.MartinhoFernandes if you're familiar with stats... i would say he had a burn in period haha
user3010322
I bet they feel stupid now since they try to support regular Wavefront .obj files.
user1804599
class JID(val local: String, val domain: String, etcetera) {
  def this(input: String) = parse input thing stuff code magic
}
Ell
Ell
@rightfold Ah okay thank you. I'm not entirely familiar with case classes, I guess I have to just keep writing until I'm experienced enough to know when to use what?
@jalf: And why would that affect you?
user1804599
14:02
All auxiliary constructors have to call the primary constructor.
user3010322
I need a basic model viewer...
user3010322
.... Wait, why don't I have blender installed?
Ell
Ell
@rightfold I tried this, but it errors when the first statement isn't calling the primary constructor
and because they are vals I can't change them
user1804599
I has to call the primary constructor.
user1804599
Don't assign them. Call the primary constructor with those values.
Ell
Ell
14:03
But that means putting all the code in one line :P
user1804599
What do you want to do besides setting those values from both constructors?
Ell
Ell
well I have to actually parse it right?
user1804599
Yes.
Ell
Ell
class JID(val local: String, val domain: String, val ifqdn: String, val resource: String) {
  def this(to_parse: String) = {
    val test: String = "" //blah blah pretend it's parsing
    this(test, test, test, test)
  }
}
user1804599
def this(input: String) = {
  val ast = parse(input)
  this(ast.foo, ast.bar, etcetera)
}
14:04
@ThePhD: OpenSceneGraph has a good and extensible viewer.
@R.MartinhoFernandes i don't know why but i just started reading Xeo's blog post on your thing, that's quite a bit of abuse there, is that good style haha
user3010322
Blender 2.66? I'm apparently old.
user1804599
@Ell What's wrong with that?
user1804599
btw convention is toParse not to_parse.
Ell
Ell
@rightfold It errors :3 "expected this, got val"
@rightfold kk, I'll look up conventions now actually
14:06
@rightfold depends on which convention, in python we use to_parse // snakecase
@Solkar You seem to be getting awfully defensive when faced with the suggestion of doing absolutely trivial levels of research, like typing "opengl" into a search bar. Do you really feel entitled to get people in this room to do it for you, and convey the answer to you?
user1804599
> In Scala, every auxiliary constructor must inkove another contructor of the same class as its first action.
user1804599
oh, lol
how do I forward extra named arguments in Python?
@Solkar look back at what I said. I pointed out that you are wasting people's time. Are you seriously denying that it is a waste of people's time to ask them to explain to you that opengl 4.5 is indeed version 4.5 of opengl, and asking where opengl specs can be found?
user1804599
14:07
def f(**kwargs):
    foo(1, 2, **kwargs)
@jalf And you seem to get trollish quite easily. EOT.
2
@rightfold Never mind. I realized I got an error because I had foo(**kwargs, 1, 2).
user1804599
@Ell Is JID a dumb data holder?
Ell
Ell
@rightfold I can't decide yet :P But I'm gonna go with yes
Should I just put them as vars?
user1804599
14:09
case class generates factory method so you can do JID(local, domain, etc) without new.
user1804599
If you want a normal class anyway you can go with factory method for parsing and another factory method that just forwards all arguments to the constructor.
Lunch break is over. Have a good time, folks! Cu
user1804599
But for dumb data holders you likely want case class since it generates equals, hashCode and copy for you.
Ell
Ell
Ah okay cool :) thanks!
user1804599
And it makes clear your thing is a dumb data holder.
14:17
So. It was rainy-ish this morning, so I got out wearing trousers and a sweater. For a change, I was wearing clothes somewhat appropriate for the weather. On the way to work the sky cleared up and in turned into a sunny warm day. I was sweating like mad all morning. After lunch I passed by home and switch to T-shirt and shorts. Now there's a storm outside.
Even when I try, I can't be wearing the weather-appropriate attire.
Fuck the universe.
here it is sun, sun sun now
Xeo
Xeo
33 mins ago, by Xeo
Sooo... it's been raining for the past 8 or 9 hours.
That's fine. You can wear the right attire for 8 or 9 hours.
Also, hmm. Now my bike is soaked.
14:32
@R.MartinhoFernandes use a blowdryer xD
user3010322
Sweet.
user3010322
165 USD for a MSI GX780 laptop.
"Sweden man" sounds like a strange place
missing a comma right?
14:43
Alter Schwede.
Yay.
I worked around all the errors!
Well. Almost.
Now all I get is "out of heap".
Wait. No.
FFS
"Ready" it says.
Ready to ruin your day
Too late!
Ha, now it says "Ready", and the progress bar is gone.
Yet... it's still building.
Ell
Ell
Scala is really great
"Please stop lying to me" as the title of the next report?
Ell
Ell
Yeah :P
14:52
I mean, FFS how hard is it to get this right.
It's not actually C++-related.
Waiting for background operation to finish
I have succesfully used OpenCV to make an image grayscale, yay for me!
(note: image loaded from png, displayed as a QPixmap, and containing an alpha channel)
We use a single-channel camera.
14:54
Which is all a general clusterfuck of byte orders and pixel formats.
is OpenCv nice?
Dunno. The community seems plagued with help vampires.
Like Android.

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