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10:00
maybe less iunno
well, please do
765M is a pretty shit card
remember about build quality, FHD screen and ports
gotta admit those alienware really pack a lot into that 14"
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Okay, either the debugger is lying to me, or MSVC creates vectors with a default size of 105416975
@Rapptz for a 14" laptop? well.
10:01
14" is such a small screen
15.6" is 1366x768 typically
lmao.
@Rapptz ahahahaahahahaha
ahaha lol nope.
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@FredOverflow cons means “construct.”
I've been looking at laptops for the past 7 days.
this resolution might be good for a smartwatch
I don't know what fantasy world you live in
10:02
or dunno, a very small phone
@Xeo Maybe they don't initialise the size or somethin
@Rapptz "fantasy world" means I want 13.3" with QHD+ or at least FHD
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I had a monitor with 1366x768 for the longest time
10:02
that's low end
how many times do I repeat that I don't want cheap customer low-end crap?
I don't give a shit what you want, 15.6" screens are typically 1366x768
I've seriously been looking at them forever
in shitty laptops you're looking at, presumably.
My GF has mid-range 14"
she really didn't pay much for it
yep, FHD.
1366x768 is still the most common resolution
in budget hardware.
I know it's sad but it's the truth
10:04
yeah, so most people should buy those
Which still makes up a vast majority of people.
great. you've made your point.
so what?
I don't have any problems with other people using 1366x768
I am not buying a laptop with that resolution though.
anyway Vaio pack only i5 in the 14" so meh.
isn't that 15"?
10:09
15.6"
also it's MSI
I was looking for those that aren't 1366x768 and I found that one
with everything that MSI brings to the table
(owned one for 1.5 years)
also it's HDD not SSD
I've never owned an MSI laptop.
also it's really a totally different device that I was looking for
so yeah, well, a nice laptop?
10:10
I'm riddled with holes
I'm more bugged with that
> While it’s stunning, it’s probably also a bit excessive, however—at least, until the software catches up to the outrageous number of pixels. For all the benefits that accompany an ultra-sharp resolution, there are also plenty of drawbacks to being at the bleeding edge of the technology on this platform
@BartekBanachewicz It's $1200 bad.
I've never said it HAS to be expensive.
But I have high demands and they simply don't come cheap.
dunno what the fuck is weird with that.
lol adding an SSD increases the price by like $800
impressive markup
10:12
Fuckin SSDs are so cost inefficient
@Rapptz that's getting quite costly for your "800"
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@CatPlusPlus Samsung EVO line is nice. 250gig for 110eur or so
@Xeo expensiveee
hm
thinkpad yoga starts for $900
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10:14
my old SSD was 64gig for 110 :s and that was Kingston
@FredOverflow You seem to be speaking in tongues
@Rapptz what? it's quite cheap
@Xeo mine was 128 for around 100€
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well, I bought mine what, 4 years ago or so?
when they just came out and were fucking expensive
@BartekBanachewicz It's expensive until the price is comparable to HDDs. :v
@Xeo yeah, but it makes a change. GB got of to a good start from what I saw so far.
10:14
Maybe in 20 years.
@Rapptz why should I compare prices with HDDs?
@StackedCrooked Coliru is dumping "Internal Server Error" on me all over the place. Both in the build/run result pane, and in the ID generated by clicking "Share"
the devices are not really comparable
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@thecoshman Prolly not watching this season too closely, maybe Beef but that'll likely be it
if you need/want an SSD, you can't replace it with any HDD
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10:15
Although lonely-Guude might be fun
aah
ThinkPad Yoga has a pen
but it's 12.5" @ FHD
hmm
Just take it and shut up.
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lol
Up until today, I didn't know people actually bought laptops with touchscreens with the intention of using them. :v
what the fuck no SSD choice -.-
10:17
I thought it was just Windows' way of getting people to try Win 8
ah right only hybrid
duh.
k well I'm tired. Night.
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SDDs and HDDs are entirely comparable
@Ell there are no HDDs that can be placed instead of SSDs if you need SSD features
you have to lose something to get the price benefit
@Ell Yes; one is shit and the other isn't.
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10:19
But they are used for the same purpose right?
so if you want an SSD, then you want an SSD and saying "HDDs" are cheaper is bullshit
@Ell Not really.
@Ell the requirements set before them are different
@BartekBanachewicz epic raid array :P
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Storage?
10:20
storage is a continuum between size, random-access, speed, response time, throughput, etc.
there are many tradeoffs to be made.
@thecoshman my friend has one HDD array and one SSD array in his PC
SSDs make a different set of tradeoffs to HDDs.
@Puppy and power usage, spin-up time and durability
@Puppy exactly
yes, and many other factors too, like price.
ah now, to be fair, for 99% of people, only three things really matter, cost, size, speed.
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10:21
I think I may have misused the word comparable
@thecoshman I wouldn't say it's 99%
@thecoshman I agree.
durability is an important factor for mobile users
and I find that in reality, size doesn't matter that much to people.
people throw their PCs around and they don't want them to break and lose their data
10:21
once you install Windows, most people don't use that much space on their hard drives.
I think if/when I get hooked on ssds, I'm going to have a HDD to keep it mirrored (not in real time ofc)
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@puppy keel telling yourself that ;)
Dammit I wasn't quick enough and I'm on mobile :P
You know which message it was a reply to
@thecoshman I don't think that HDDs are more reliable TBH
SSDs are way more reliable than HDDs.
@thecoshman Are you kidding? It's the other way around.
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Yeah no moving parts and all that
10:22
HDDs have much more sensitive moving mechanical parts.
SSDs are substantially more robust.
@Puppy no, SSD to use as the live disk, with a HDD to have complete backup
@Puppy Backing up stuff from HDDs on SSDs?
Are you on coke?
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@Puppy Early SSD were actually quite unstable in the durability department
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, but I do have some right here to drink so I should go get a glass.
@Puppy physically yes. but SSDs rot
10:23
@Xeo Same as most technologies.
@thecoshman So do HDDs.
it's one thing to have an HDD for a different tradeoff (large storage size for low price)
but in terms of redundancy, there's no point buying an HDD to back up an SSD.
The main reason to pick HDDs for backup is that it's a lot cheaper to build redundancy for large volumes.
@R.MartinhoFernandes not like HDDs, at least, last I was aware of such things
if you're backing up an SSD then you don't have a large volume to back up.
you only have an SSD-sized volume.
10:25
though, I might be able to justify using two SSDs in mirror raid
unless you paid a huge amount for a huge SSD.
@Puppy Plus all the stuff you don't keep on the SSD.
1 min ago, by Puppy
it's one thing to have an HDD for a different tradeoff (large storage size for low price)
You can keep backups of old stuff.
I do exactly that right now- 128GB for Windows and primary programs like VS, and 1TB HDD for backups and stuff.
10:26
Also, you can you buy two or more HDDs for the price of one SSD.
With those you can build a RAID array.
depends on how big the SSD is.
a primary partition sized SSD goes for pretty cheap these days.
So yes, in terms of redundancy it makes a lot of sense.
@thecoshman define "not like". HDDs have bad sectors and it's well known
those sectors typically grow in time (IME)
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, but SSDs have their equivalent, and it grows faster (as I understand it) and it is a larger % of your drive dieing
right now, you can get a 1TB HDD for £38 and a 128GB SSD for £46.
@thecoshman That's pre-TRIM.
10:28
@thecoshman I don't think it grows faster
@Puppy but you can get a 3TB for like 60-80
@Puppy TRIM just helps manage the rot, it doesn't prevent or fix it
@thecoshman Yeah, but that's not gonna help you when the drive dies and you lose it all.
I think we all agree that if you want huge amounts of storage then HDDs are better
absolutely.
@BartekBanachewicz no, being rich is better :P SSD ALL THE THINGS!
10:29
I'm merely discussing their use as backing up data on the SSD
but if you, say, conclude "I use no more than 250GB on my laptop"
different use cases.
as for backups, sure, why not.
@BartekBanachewicz If you want a pair of them for redundancy they're also better.
10 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@thecoshman my friend has one HDD array and one SSD array in his PC
to be honest, I really don't know how well either HDD or SSD cope with just sitting around.
@thecoshman The question isn't whether it's prevented, it's how long it survives relative to a mechanical drive.
10:30
Two survive longer.
I had a pre-TRIM SSD and it lasted for like, three years.
@R.MartinhoFernandes And cost nearly twice as much as the SSD.
With the advantage that, when one dies, the data isn't gone.
@Puppy like I said, I am fairly sure SSDs lose capacity much faster than a HDD does
@Puppy No, they don't. Check the prices for 256GB SSDs.
@thecoshman They don't anymore.
10:31
@Puppy well that's good to know
though is that just because they are actually selling much bigger drives with plenty of slack space?
You can't find reasonable 500GB HDDs anymore, though, so you have to stick with two 1TB.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you kidding? I only need a 128GB SSD and even that's kinda questionable.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i'm at work, so all i can do is reboot and hope it works
@Puppy s/a /a pair of /
@StackedCrooked Now it's totally down
ah
10:34
@thecoshman Who cares what mitigation strategy they use? It works and it's cheap.
@Puppy well, I don't think 'cheap' is the best word here :P
@LightnessRacesinOrbit seems to be working now
wooah
> A unique feature of the ThinkPad Yoga and also a major differentiator between it and the IdeaPad Yoga is the mechanical locking feature of the keyboard, which Lenovo calls "Lift n' Lock".
@Puppy I still don't understand how one SSD gives you any redundancy. It dies, it's gone.
this is pretty sick
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10:40
meh, inset keys.
@Xeo no, they move up when you flip the screen!
@R.MartinhoFernandes It doesn't. I'm merely pointing out that buying mechanical drives to back up my SSD is far from two HDDs for the price of one SSD. In fact, the HDD and the SSD are pretty much the same price.
aaah and it has a dock
I'm sold.
where do I put my money :D
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In my hands.
You were sold when you started.
10:42
not for this particular model vOv
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@BartekBanachewicz that sounds better
how much were you sold for? hope it's more than a couple of hundred dollars, otherwise it would be sad :')
@BartekBanachewicz if you sell yourself you don't have to pay
this PC has everything I might want and costs less than I wanted to spend
including a full proper dock, a stylus, and is a thinkpad (meaning magnesium frame and superstandard case quality)
and ships a solid FHD on 12.5"
@StackedCrooked yep cheers :)
10:45
@Puppy Fair enough. Note though that that's pretty much the only level where that holds.
wonder what the problem was
dammit, why doesnt java have raw string literals :(
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can't see anything in the logs..
i have written this TAC cfg text parser for our unit tests.. but specifying the code inline is a pain in the slot
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, if you needed quite a bit more SSD space, I guess.
10:47
@JohannesSchaub-litb what do you want it for?
personally, though, I don't have anything on my SSD I don't intend to wipe every time I reinstall Windows.
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^
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@rightfold unfortunately, no
You would have to add assert statements.
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Boring.
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10:49
Eww duplication.
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Is Javadoc available in class files?
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If so you could write a class loader that injects the assert statements. :P
@rightfold Because stupid Java generics (what type would I use), and I didn't want to spend too much time on the whole "you only need one empty stack" issue.
But don't worry, I'll have enough time for that next week :)
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magnesium frame o.O
@rightfold Why didn't I think of that? You get a snickers, too!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I chose (one of) the most common mother tongue(s) of the Lounge ;)
user1804599
10:51
@FredOverflow How about the package-visible ctor?
@rightfold Hm, interesting question.
user1804599
I’m going to sell roof tiles made of white phosphorous that have an alkali metal coating.
@rightfold Of what class? Cons? Next week :)
When I was shopping for my machine last December I could get 3HDD to 1SSD ratios with 4-to-1 storage.
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@FredOverflow of Stack.
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10:52
Because Java lacks sealed.
@rightfold Oh, right. To prevent inheritance outside of the package. Also next week :)
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Nice.
@R.MartinhoFernandes SSDs are dropping in price way faster than HDDs are, and 4:1 is more SSD space than I feel you really need.
My laptop has such a small resolution that I can only see a single star on the starboard :(
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I can see 65.
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10:54
I can see 6
I'm on an alienware connected to a tv
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Q: More Stars - Userscript that frees up room so you can see more starred messages

SternoSince I've never written a GreaseMonkey script before, I borrowed heavily from this script and basically played around with it until I got what I wanted. So credit to them for helping me get there. More Stars I don't like having my chat window fill the full monitor, but I found that with my pre...

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thanks, but there's always the "show all 30612" option above the starboard for emergencies like this :)
@FredOverflow yikes
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I need to upgrade a terrible terrible windows xp machine without my father knowing I have somehow
which means I can't get rid of windows xp :'(
11:02
then you can't upgrade it
why do you need to upgrade it then?
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because it's slow as mollases
I think I might put an ssd in it, buy an oem windows xp and copy a load of files across :P
Windows XP will be slow no matter what hardware you put it on
and it has no idea how to effectively utilize an SSD
I have XP on VMware. It works pretty good. But then again, I only use it to play VNs.
You could use Linux and install XP inside a virtualbox.
11:13
yeah, install xp on a virtual machine, and autostart it in fullscreen mode :p
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I think it's slow due to the amount of terrible "DriverWizard" and "CleanYourPC4Free" type or programmes on it
so I wrote to my new boss that I want that laptop
butt fuck I dunno when I'll be able to leave here :F
map the host key to F15 or something :v
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@FredOverflow that's a sneaky idea :P
It just might work...
just make sure they shut it down with the power button on the case :p
or somehow run a shutdown script if the vm exits :p
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11:17
There's probably a distro that does this already :P
dayum
now I can't wait till I get that PC
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although I don't think the processor has AMD-V :P
@BartekBanachewicz which one?
and lay my sweaty greasy hands on it
@Ell Then the software is probably the least of your problems.
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11:18
It is. I've tried to convince him to just buy a mac or get a better pc but he won't listen
seems pretty rational to not want to buy a mac
(not to be confused with Yoga Pro)
also if he doesn't want to upgrade then why do you even want to upgrade it?
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because it's the only pc connected to the printer
11:19
@BartekBanachewicz but it has a pen...so no touch screen? so no greasing up the screen!
@melak47 it's a "hybrid" screen, with touch and pen
it just has a Wacom matrix underneath the normal touchscreen
aw, well then go ahead and grease it up you filthy tablet user :p
@Ell upgrade the printer to a networked one :p
@melak47 I could buy a pen glove :D
you know, the one-finger one
A lot of pro cintiq users use them
the hand sticks naturally to the glass so if you want to draw more it's kinda a necessity
upside is that regular Intuos pens should work with it
and they are by far better (albeit hellishly expensive) than the one you can slide inside of the laptop
oh fuck I'll need to buy photoshop :/
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Are you a graphic designer now? :P
@Ell no, but guess who will rip that from my hands as soon as she gets the chance :P
11:30
@Ell Yeah.. just get a new printer that can be networked separately.
I say, add support for Java applets into Swing components' html text. that would be fun! — MarianP Oct 22 '11 at 18:59
@BartekBanachewicz a one finger glove? seems silly :p
might as well just draw with your nose.
@BartekBanachewicz your fault. don't buy devices called "yoga" if you don't want to evoke the misunderstanding that it's somehow more suited for women
I'm stumped
11:34
@sehe but it's also a Thinkpad! So it's kind of dual in nature
also, Thinkpad first, Yoga second :P
@BartekBanachewicz the logo on the wrist clearly shows 5 fingers. what a ripoff! :p
A jewel in nature
ow my guts.
riddled with holes.
people actually do those themselves by cutting off the fingers of old gloves
11:35
... that edit
I had to reread multiple times and didn't notice it changed meanwhile.
Scrambled eggs, the most complicated dish I can make
epicular fail
btw Lightness I'm spending all day today slacking, hope you don't mind.
Dammit. I want to be in three places at the same time tomorrow.
11:45
I know how to make it happen but I am sure you wouldn't want to do it ...
Hire doppelgangers
just multitelecommute
I'm sure I can do a good robot impression
just scoop out half my brain with an ice cream scoop
> I have seen this dudes nipples more times than I have seen my own.
@Puppy especially in the act of doing so, you will briefly resemble one
I think the requirements to become like Robot are twofold: a) index the Internet in your head b) being able to compile C++ templates in your head. After having done so you can apply for a certificate to the Can Imitate Robot Certification Authority. :P
11:48
this:
Lt. James Gordon: Where is he?
The Joker: What's the time?
Lt. James Gordon: What difference does that make?
The Joker: Well, depending on the time, he may in one spot, or several.
Lots of people I know would be able to tell the difference.
circa 2014
man, I bent over to put my socks on and that was a bad idea.
b) is not particularly identifying to many of my friends.
did I mention that I'm riddled with holes?
@Puppy Are you in jail?
11:49
@R.MartinhoFernandes but to Loungers it may be.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
no, my stomach muscles are riddled with holes.
they don't appreciate being used right now
We told you to not drink acid
You dummy
lol
I have to deal with asynchronous shit today and it makes my brain hurt. :/
@TonyTheLion Add "hit street signs with your forehead or by a stroke of luck you're currently holding your backpack in front of you while grepping for an hourglass inside it and you actually hit the street sign with the backpack".
@TonyTheLion It'll stop hurting at some point in the future.
not sure why the tiger tho
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damn, the probability of someone actually being able to acquire such skill is relatively small, I'd say.
Don't ask why I was grepping for an hourglass.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Woah, that's terrible.
11:52
Don't ask why I carry an hourglass around. (It's rated 3 minutes, if you're curious)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Even that tiger is bored
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, what do you use it for? To not get stuck thinking about a particular problem that captures your interest?
hahahaha
I'm not sure "grepping" is an English term in the way you're using it. </pedantry>
I'm not sure your brain is functional
But I can't think of another word right now
@TonyTheLion Also cutting yourself with any relatively sharp object in the vicinity
11:54
@Puppy True, my brain is imperative
@CatPlusPlus Or hell, even blunt objects.
@Puppy Like bicycle pedals.
How do you cut yourself with bicycle pedals?
With skill? :(
For some unknown reasons I am craving for BBQed wagyu beef
11:55
You're walking alongside your bicycle and the pedals turn and they hit your calf.
that should be bruising not cutting
And it hurts like fuck and bleeds like hell.
He's got Unlucky trait
@Puppy That's a matter of strength.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a matter of how fast the pedals turn when you're simply walking alongside it and it really shouldn't be that fast.
11:57
I'm slowly getting convinced Robot's skin is actually made of paper
when I was in primary school, I sat at the back seat of my dad's bicycle, he was riding me home, I put my left foot in the wheel - ended up having 11 stitches
@Puppy Well, they have small (still blunt) protuberances for better grip.
Also, I'm really good at this, ok?
jeans or socks should be more than sufficient protection from such
I googled protuberances

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