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10:00 AM
There are no packing problems unsolvable by cardboard boxes
 
> I'm asking on behalf of colleagues
 
so you just have to spend the rest of the day panicking ... I feel you, I truly do ...
... or probably not ...
 
I could get some too
 
Ell
my laptop was unharmed
 
But the Ikea ones are thick and actually look nice enough to be stashed under the wall and not look like a fucking store
I hope I'll stay in that apartment more than a year
well actually we gonna have a real, proper look only today
we've just taken like 5 minutes to look around because there were people still living there
 
10:03 AM
Last time I moved, it was a year ago & I just moved the stuff within 30 metres - from the old building to the new one
 
I'm not moving far either
 
Ell
I have an hour to get ready
 
Ell
yeah :D
 
it's 1.9km by car
 
10:06 AM
Oo giving out the address now :p
 
@chmod711telkitty giving out the address for the place I'm leaving tomorrow? yeah, why not.
I've posted it once too, for the previous place.
 
I don't mind people calling me for personal matters, even for pranks, but I dislike spammers. NO I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR $399 PR PACKAGES, JUST NOT INTERESTED AND WILL NOT BE ANYTIME SOON!!!
What upper class, I roll in the mud from time to time (overnight bushwalking/camping trips)
I am poor ... although different people have different definition for the word 'poor'
 
oh we're getting keys at 1900
 
maybe later on the week, I have 10-20 pages to go through and write some kind of proposal according to it for the Wednesday morning meeting
 
@ScottW Don't forget the tissues.
 
10:19 AM
Sigh ... my life is in a mess ....
 
user1804599
lol Coq
 
Ell
Okay time to learn to tie a double windsor
tye
Idk :P
 
std::tie<double>(windsor);
 
Xeo
error
std::tie is a function :P
 
That was close :)
 
10:25 AM
Oh my. After checking explainxkcd for the latest comic, I can only say "this comic uses some horrible, horrible puns".
 
BTW @rightfold me and a friend sat down to F# this weekend
 
user1804599
Nice.
 
and we were... fucking annoyed by it, sadly :/
 
user1804599
Neat.
 
I dunno what we did wrong or not.
 
10:26 AM
Maybe you approached it with an imperative mindset?
 
The idea was that I bring Haskell perspective, and he brings C# (he's a proffesional C# developer)
and we were pair programming
 
@FredOverflow Seeing as he learned Haskell before F# I'd be surprised
 
@BartekBanachewicz That sounds like a man and a woman trying to make a baby. Of course it won't work ;)
 
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Q: What is the use of a move constructor taking a const rvalue reference?

Lightness Races in Orbit [C++11: 12.8/3]: A non-template constructor for class X is a move constructor if its first parameter is of typeX&&, const X&&, volatile X&&, or const volatile X&&, and either there are no other parameters or else all other parameters have default arguments (8.3.6). [..] What is the use of a m...

 
@FredOverflow actually, no... but the mutability of most things was really making it hard
we didn't want Haskell, we wanted to stay as close to idiomatic F# as possible
but either our idea of "idiomatic F#" is borked, or the language itself
we've tripped a lot on the object properties and they're really far from intuitive
 
10:29 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I hope you didn't plan to answer this yourself, because I already closed it ;)
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow If he did, he'd have done so while publishing the Q
 
@FredOverflow I did not :)
 
type inference is really way worse than Haskell's (but you can constrain single variables in signatures, which is neat), but the worst thing was, I think
that the fucking order of definitions matters
 
seriously?
 
@Xeo Right, I always forget that that's possible.
 
10:30 AM
holy shitnibbles.
 
@Puppy yes.
 
That is not the same question, @FredOverflow. I didn't ask whether it's useful; I asked why it's called a move constructor. My title is actually misleading wrong in that regard and I shall now fix it.
 
We just stared blankly at the screen for like 30 seconds when we've discovered that
 
@FredOverflow I don't get it, if it 'sounds like a man and a woman trying to make a baby' why ' of course it won't work'?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Feel free to re-open in that case.
 
Xeo
10:31 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Meh, because it doesn't matter whether it actually moves or not?
 
more than a billion times it worked when a man and a woman trying to make a baby in the past decade ...
 
@chmod711telkitty Because men and women are too different? It's a rip-off from some Futurama quote I think.
 
@FredOverflow ta
 
I forgot to push the code, but I'll do it and show it to you later
 
> Fry, this relationship could never work. You're a man, I'm a woman. We're just too different!
 
10:31 AM
@Xeo It does matter. If it's a move constructor and all the rules of move constructors apply to it, then it absolutely matters that it cannot move anything.
 
maybe you can point us in the right direction
 
(There may well still be a dupe of it, in which case feel free to close it again :P)
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz I like that.
 
Ell
The order of definitions of what?
You can define things twice? :S
 
user1804599
Makes cycles explicit.
 
10:32 AM
@rightfold what
 
@Xeo If nothing else it should be called a copy constructor, not a move constructor.
 
@Ell of functions
 
@FredOverflow I think it would be considerably harder for two guys to try and have a biological baby between them ...
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz and types and files.
 
say, you have to place a before b if you want to use a from b
 
10:33 AM
@chmod711telkitty How about two women?
 
Ell
I don't think that is that terrible o.O
 
you can clone from an egg, you don't need two women, one is enough >_<
 
it is that terrible.
 
@chmod711telkitty Is that why I prefer watching women have fun with each other?
 
it totally hints at retarded implementation of lookup
and/or being an interpreted language
 
10:34 AM
and/or being retarded in general
what are we talking about?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why don't you just use Haskell?
 
order of definitions in lookup
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What rules?
 
@FredOverflow F# looked nice and we wanted to give it a try
We were really extremely positive at the beginning
 
user1804599
Haskell doesn’t have all the .NET libraries. :3
 
10:35 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It can't be a copy constructor cause it can't take an lvalue.
 
We weren't really using .NET much, except LINQ
focused mostly on the core features
 
@rightfold Haskell has a library for everything you need, does it not?
 
maybe that was the problem
 
@Puppy That's a circular argument
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz doesn't F# have letrec-like stuff?
 
10:36 AM
@Puppy "Why not add T(const T&&) to the definition of 'copy constructor'?" "Because it does not fit the current definition of 'copy constructor'."
@Xeo All of the rules in the entire standard that mention "move constructor"
 
Xeo
err
 
> We weren't really using .NET much, except LINQ
How does that work
 
Xeo
None of it says "HAS TO MOVE INTERNAL STATE"
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow AFAIK there is no Haskell library for reading Excel files.
 
@Xeo I am not sure if letrec works for other names
@sehe how does what work?
We were making an implementation of Love Letter BTW //cc @Xeo
 
Ell
10:37 AM
Bye guys wish me luck for my interview :3
 
@Ell do well or else! :)
 
user1804599
If you want a and b to use each other, you must use let rec a = …;; and b = ….
 
Ell
bye!
 
@Ell good luck
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And the changed definition would be broken. The purpose of a copy constructor is to copy; therefore, you should be able to pass it an lvalue. Then again, I'm all for accepting that the current definition (permitting non-const) is also broken in this regard. But it would be even more broken.
 
10:39 AM
@FredOverflow it is so unfair - many men love to watch two women having fun with each other, but very few women love to watch two men having fun with one another
 
@Ell break a leg
 
Xeo
Ugh. AS3 doesn't have inner classes :<
 
@BartekBanachewicz or else what?
 
Xeo
and not more than one class per package
stupid shit
 
@Xeo o_0 what on earth?
 
10:42 AM
@thecoshman that's the point of that statement, no?
 
@Ell in the ass of a hedgehog! (the canonical answer is: "better than an hedgehog in the ass")
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's a south park reference. "Make it happen, or else!", "or else what?", "exactly", "o_0"
 
welp.
dang it
instrumental guitar music is just so cool
@Xeo java called
 
hmm
I got some responses from my job applications on Friday, but for some reason I really don't want to read them.
 
@Puppy The purpose of a move constructor is to move.
 
Xeo
10:53 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The purpose of the move ctor is to accept rvalues
 
@Puppy So, I propose that T(const T&&) should be neither
 
heh
never gets old
 
@Xeo That's retarded
 
Xeo
What it does with them is up to the implementor
 
10:53 AM
@Puppy why?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Moving leaves the source object in an unspecified-but-valid state. "The original state" is therefore a valid implementation.
 
Is it reasonable to assume that stdexcept will also include string? Or can you never make such assumptions?
 
Never assume anything
 
Xeo
@Puppy Actually, wasn't that a requirement only for the stdlib containers?
 
you can't make them, except that iostream must include ostream/istream, I'm pretty sure.
 
Xeo
10:55 AM
Move ctors don't have that requirement in general, no?
@Puppy as-if it included those
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked no.
 
@Xeo Pretty sure that stuff like std::swap depends on it also for user-defined types, and the stdlib makes that assumption in general.
 
user1804599
If you want std::string include <string> no matter what.
 
user1804599
Explicit is better than implicit.
 
user1804599
Assuming headers include other headers is moronic idea.
 
Xeo
10:56 AM
hm
dunno, whatever
uninteresting
 
@rightfold However, stdexcept contains runtime_error which accepts a string in its constructor
 
user1804599
So what?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Dunno.
you could argue that the core language itself doesn't make that assumption, only the library.
 
user1804599
If you want std::string include <string>.
 
@Puppy you're supposed to do that
 
10:57 AM
@StackedCrooked Doesn't mean the type is complete and usable
 
@StackedCrooked Could forward declare it.
 
@Puppy Yes, it's valid; I didn't claim that the standard is internally inconsistent or contradictory in this regard, only that it's fucking stupid
 
I see.
 
@rightfold sir can u tell me why is it not <std::string> plz help me to reolsve my doubt thx!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I kinda disagree. Changing this rule would mean defining what moving is in more detail, and I think you can't define something useful that would work on, say, std::array<int, 6>, std::string, and std::vector<int>.
 
10:58 AM
std::string is not a valid filename on Windows and Mac (dunno about Linux)
 
user1804599
It is on OS X.
 
@StackedCrooked ok thx sir but what about mac???
 
user1804599
The only characters not allowed in filenames are forward slashes and NULs.
 
@StackedCrooked maybe my users use mac to answer the solution to this qusetion?
 
10:59 AM
> A few days ago at its I/O developer conference, Google quietly announced that it is working on bringing its Dart programming language to App Engine soon.
> They noted that the original idea behind Dart was always to create a general purpose programming language. When they started the project, they didn’t just want to create some variant of JavaScript. The idea was to create a dynamically typed language
(emphasis mine)
 
Are you based in India? Is this common there? It would explain those outbreaks of gang rape of women if you are watching porn at work all day. Can't image how good "flapping scrotums" in the background relax someone. (Actually doing this might be ok in a very small segment: If you are in a porn company) — Samuel 3 hours ago
 
user1804599
% touch std::string; ls
std::string
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked you suck tremendously.
 
> While prototyping, code freely without worrying about types.
sigh
 
Xeo
11:02 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hah, gone.
 
also loving the Borat answer
 
I have nothing against prototyping
but stop saying statically typed languages are infeasible for prototyping TIA
 
@BartekBanachewicz but without types, it's just protoing?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I find it curious that you can use LINQ without using much of .NET
 
yep :P
@sehe Dunno if you consider List such a huge part of .NET
 
11:03 AM
@rightfold IIRC if you use a forward slash in a file name via Finder then it will be represented internally using ":". Via shell you can use ":" but not "/" and in GUI you can use "/" but not ":".
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked indeed.
 
because we used List, Option... and pretty much that only
 
@rightfold I suspect because they wanted filenames to be compatible with FAT32.
 
user1804599
Oh cool, next Scala version will compile lambdas to Java 8 lambdas.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked I think because : was directory separator in Mac OS.
 
11:05 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot that.
 
u:all:suck:donkey:nuts
 
not a fan of nuts myself
 
user1804599
TIL about session types.
 
you are boring today
do I have to go to some other room and insult the language people there are using?
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
11:17 AM
Don’t insult any language.
 
user1804599
If you don’t like a language then don’t use it.
 
user1804599
Be glad other people do it so you don’t have to.
 
Insult people who use that language instead
 
@rightfold I will insult PHP until the day I die
 
11:18 AM
And I am not glad that other people use it, whether or not I have to :p
 
@jalf What, "Fuck you, PHP" won't be written on your tombstone?
 
@CatPlusPlus does insulting people who design them count?
 
No, you have to do both
 
oh okay
C room was funny lately
this one sole owner has no idea about C++ whatsoever
yet still, obviously, C++ is the worst and C is way better
 
@Puppy well, either it will be written by someone else, or it will be written by me before I die. In neither case would it contradict my claim above. :)
well, technically I guess it means I won't be making my tombstone on the day I die
 
11:20 AM
true enough
 
@BartekBanachewicz on some irrational explanation?
 
11:41 AM
2
A: C++ method declaration with throw(...)

Lightness Races in OrbitWell it's not valid C++ so, no, it doesn't "have any sense": g++ -std=c++11 -O2 -Wall -pedantic -pthread main.cpp && ./a.out main.cpp:1:31: error: expected type-specifier before '...' token void method(int param) throw (...); The only place you can write ... in an exception specifier is after...

winning
 
@Mgetz y'know, simplicity
he also said that manual memory management is "cleaner"
 
@Puppy Dammit.
 
@BartekBanachewicz so he can simply forget to free a resource... or use it after it's freed...
 
but he never forgets, obviously
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ownt
 
11:49 AM
@Puppy p gd
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I am, indeed, pretty good.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you can't spell simplicity without simcity
 
it's simple because you have to do the work the C++ compiler does for you.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit from very soon available for normal car license here in Poland (and I think it's more EU-wide) ^ (125ccm)
 
11:54 AM
@BartekBanachewicz 125cm doesn't seem big enough for a practical motorcycle
 
@BartekBanachewicz Didn't realize you were into suicide.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit define "practical", then.
> 125ccm
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well I'd like to be able to fit on top of it for a start
^_^
 
it's big enough
 
I'm trolling you because we say "125cc"
 
11:54 AM
ohh
yeah w/e
 
and your way looks like a typo'd "125cm"
 
125ccs of suicide, stat.
 
hehe
fuck it have a star
 
@Puppy meh
 
anyway why do you need a car license for a bike o.O
 
11:55 AM
walking on the pavement is also dangerous
 
statistically, the risks are on different orders of magnitude.
 
@BartekBanachewicz breathing air is dangerous. less dangerous than riding a motorcycle, I think.
 
I dunno really how many people crash in the city
 
besides
 
like, compared to car crashes
 
11:56 AM
I gained an increase in my risk of cancer when I had a CT scan
all that dangerous radiation
 
Makes me laugh when people say "meh, you're just as likely to get killed doing <X> and you do that all the time!" Yeah, okay, no reason then to willfully avoid doubling the chance of death.
 
@BartekBanachewicz less, but injuries are much more serious : )
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well, new law. You need the regular license for 3 years and you can ride it.
 
if you're gonna increase your risk of death it should be for something of high value.
 
riding a motorbike is of high value
 
11:57 AM
yeah like robbing a bank
 
it's of high value if you're a moron or don't value your life.
 
I ride 600cc :V
 
ITT "if it's not of high value for puppy then it's not of high value at all"
 
or kidnapping alessandra torresani to be your sex slave
 
then what value do you think it has?
 
11:57 AM
wait why am I surprised by that.
 
but it's old and with linear acceleration characteristic
 
It's been like this everytime puppy joins the chat :v
 
Bartek's right
However, in this instance, Puppy is also approaching being right
 
@BartekBanachewicz Irony is oozing out of this message
 
The Lounge is going to explode :/
fuck and Cat's right too!!!
JESUS CHRIST WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIEEEEE
 
11:58 AM
:D
 
You're already dead and this is hell
 
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
 
well, you haven't presented any value that you even think it has, so I find it hard to argue that I've somehow dodged a discussion on the matter.
 
@Puppy how about you try? Maybe you'll find your own value in it.
 
I think it's obvious enough that enjoyment of riding it holds enough value for those that choose to
 
11:59 AM
I don't find value in death.
 
lol
I find value in your death
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit also, traffic
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit apparently not for some people
 
I'm sure you would.
 
yeah also traffic
also low costs
 
11:59 AM
That's assuming I'm in your will, which is clearly a given
 

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