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11:00 PM
@DeadMG well yeah, but that was in response to you asking when I talked about "play by email" ;)
 
true.
 
Anyways, like I said, it didn't really work in practice, unfortunately
 
@ThePhD, wow.
The heck is going on?
 
user3010322
.... ???
 
user3010322
Oh.
 
user3010322
11:02 PM
The Kill YOurself comment.
 
wat?
 
@ThePhD What else
 
user3010322
I thought that I'd like, posted something horrible or something.
 
@ThePhD go away.
 
user3010322
In either case, uh. I was being facetious. I should have tagged it like </just-kidding>
 
user3010322
11:03 PM
Or something
 
That's another way
 
@ThePhD or you could have just not told anyone to kill themselves. A radical suggestion, I know
 
@ThePhD Yeah. You should have. You know, I'm not giving you much slack since you said it out-of-the-blue to a non-regular. That's just a bad idea. Think it over
 
I said I only like C++ compiled with VC++
 
user3010322
:( This is true.
 
user3010322
11:04 PM
@evanmcdonnal Sorry.
 
Of course that auto-rages all Linux fans
idc
lol
 
:D
 
I laughed
don't worry
 
user3010322
But I'm not a Linux fan. ;~;
 
ThePhD a Linux fan?
hahahaha
 
user3010322
11:05 PM
^
 
hahahahahahaha
 
oh, well idk, I haven't creeped his SO yet
 
@sehe and he likes vc++, so he must already be in pretty bad shape...
 
Oh that tells me nothing, he has 181 rep :|
 
user3010322
:3
 
user3010322
11:05 PM
I think my only biased post on SO was an answer abut how much I hate VC++'s C++08 implementation.
 
@ThePhD I know there's a joke about CPU fans and Linux, I just can't generate it
 
@evanmcdonnal That's not representative no. However, he has an unhealthy preference for Undefined Behaviour
 
@evanmcdonnal lol, such a loser ;)
 
predilection was the word
 
> I appreciate you must get a lot of annoying head hunters like me chasing your tail and bombarding you with boring opportunities.
 
user3010322
11:07 PM
I'm not thaaat incensed with UB!
 
user3010322
Also,
 
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A: C++11 on Windows

user1357649I can only give you my experience as a developer, as I've been building against the cutting edge of C++ on Windows using Visual C++ for just about everything, while also installing several other compilers and IDEs (including building Clang myself on Windows for Visual Studio 2012, 2012 CTP, and 2...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes never heard that one before.
 
user3010322
^ How much Windows annoyed me. D:
 
GUESS WHAT BLOOM-FUCKING-BERG AGAIN, from another address.
 
11:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh, I think I can guess who that is
 
Xeo
lawl
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dat Unicode.
 
Best part?
> Hi Martino,
Can't even spell my name right.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he is your pal
it's a diminutive
:P
 
Now I'm truly pissed off, for no reason.
Getting some tea.
 
11:09 PM
Yesterday I got a message from a guy who said he wanted me to write automation for a hedge fund in Connecticut, LOL
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What bothered me the last time he wrote to me is that he made absolutely no reference to the fact that he also wrote a week or two before. No "I wonder if you got my last email" or anything, just start over as if he didn't even realize (or remember, or care) that he'd already tried to contact me
 
@ThePhD incensed?
 
user3010322
Uhm. That's probably the wrong word.
 
user3010322
Maybe "enraptured" would be better?
 
Xeo
I'm not getting contacted by any headhunters. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong or right.
 
user3010322
11:12 PM
Nobody head hunts gamedevelopers. :D
 
who contacts you?
 
who's a gamedev?
 
@JohanLarsson dickhunters!
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek ah you beat me to the reference
 
11:12 PM
@ThePhD ?
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey me, amongst others
 
question.. why does gcc and clang take the "void g()" function?
 
Suddenly a ghost
 
^ lol /cc @sehe
 
11:13 PM
@Xeo I think LinkedIn might sell data about your activity there. Coincidently when I started looking around for a new gig I started get a shit ton of recruiters messaging me.
 
@jalf Yeah, he doesn't acknowledge the previous five? six? whatever, I lost track already times he bothered me.
 
@sehe why is it obvious? I don't get it
 
why don't they give an ambiguity because both g's match?
 
@Jefffrey uhuh told you so
@JohanLarsson ghost busters
 
Well, unless "I appreciate you must get a lot of annoying head hunters like me chasing your tail and bombarding you with boring opportunities." is his way of acknowledging that.
 
11:13 PM
:D
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb why is id in there ... :S
 
@sehe sorry it can be removed
@sehe any idea what happens?
 
Nope. Colour me flubbed
 
@sehe which color is flub?
 
Arrgh, it's like a job of really bad taste.
 
11:17 PM
@jalf [I'm flubbed] + [Colour me silly]
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb well, empty argument pack is a valid argument pack
 
Wait what.
 
@sehe (Yeah, I got it. I was just being silly)
 
I'll colour you that
@Jefffrey That's the point
 
@Jefffrey yes but why does it not match void(int) ?
 
11:18 PM
@JohannesSchaub-litb because it matches the first thing it finds
I guess
 
@Jefffrey oops. Der Schaub doesn't guess
 
@sehe weird!
i'm sorry for this riddle
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb you want to force the second? do this
 
Yeah yeah. It's ok if you explain them and don't know the answer either
 
11:19 PM
I was working late tonight, gf promised to bake something and bring to work. After a while she sent a text message saying the cake was ready but I had to come home to eat it. #douche move
 
user3010322
Wait.
 
@Jefffrey You obviously haven't met the Schaub much. Google him for a little on SO
 
@Jefffrey no i want to know, why is it not ambiguous!?
 
user3010322
If you have function pointers,
 
user3010322
can you have function references?
 
Xeo
11:19 PM
for some reason deduction does not take place, making it equivalent to the empty pack and thus forcing the first g
 
user3010322
And can you have member function references?
 
Xeo
@ThePhD yes
@ThePhD no
 
user3010322
Kinky!
 
user3010322
aww, not so kinky. =[
 
@Xeo right!
 
11:20 PM
@sehe he is a template expert?
 
@Jefffrey A language expert. Compiler guy, AFAICT
 
i'm a wannabye!
 
:D advanced case of the wannabees
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb bye :)
 
11:24 PM
@JohanLarsson Was it a metaphor for sex?
 
nope apple sponge cake
 
guys, i'll go to sleep.
hope the riddle was fun
i would like to have it so that one can disable the "further deduction" of the function type
 
sleep sounds right
 
but i fail so far.. dunno how to make it work
template<typename ...T, typename R> void f(R(T...)); this always shouts "cannot deduce R" when i pass the g overloads
rightly so, because the "T..." matches both gs, and then the thing is a nondeduced context, also for R
but if i say "identity<T>::type...", i don't understand why it still matches the "g(int)", so it should not be a non-deduced context for the "R" anymore...
i seem to remember there has been a DR about this, but I can't find one ..
 
11:29 PM
@JohannesSchaub-litb hm, interesting
 
@Jefffrey keep me posted :)
 
I've been thinking about why it's not ambiguous for the last 5 minutes
and my conclusion is that fuck C++
 
1 message moved to bin
 
@AndyProwl you were such a nice guy
full of hopes and dreams
 
lol @AndyProwl
 
11:30 PM
@Jefffrey I still am a nice guy. But no I never had hopes
 
the lounge flipped you over to the dark side
 
@AndyProwl so now you're a liar too :)
 
@AndyProwl the trick is that the nondeduced context makes "T" be empty at the end. I too didn't get it at first xD
 
@sehe which half of the sentence do you think is a lie? :P
 
the cake
 
11:31 PM
no, pls, everything but the cake joke
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I didn't get it even at second
the cake?
 
@AndyProwl That is a correct conclusion :v
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaub-litb It's funny how the overload ambiguity makes it non-deducible, which in turn forces one of the overloads
 
@Xeo indeed :)
 
All those pages of Standardese are lost in my mind
 
11:34 PM
@Xeo that doesn't make much sense to me
 
Why does non-deducible context force the empty argument pack to be deduced as empty?
 
Xeo
no deduction = no types in the pack
 
Shouldn't non-deducible context be non-deduced?
 
^
 
Like, I can't deduce the pack is empty from a non-deducible context?
 
Xeo
11:35 PM
it's not deduced as empty, it just happens to be empty because nothing could be deduced
 
but as far as I can reason about this, having it empty is a form of deduction
obviously I don't reason like I should
 
@AndyProwl if a pack has not been otherwise deduced or specified, it will fall back to be empty
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Highly non-seducible context loungecpp.net [my-code-is-compiling] [no-really] [no-stalking]
 
for example you can call template<typename ...T> void f(T...); with an empty argument list
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Isn't this silly?
 
Xeo
11:36 PM
no
 
but IMO in the case where it is a non-deduced context, it doesn't make sense
 
indeed, that's my feeling too
 
@AndyProwl it's unfortunate if falling back to empty actually selects an overload, otherwise
 
Xeo
a pack is an aggregation of things, and if there are no things (nothing deduced), it's simply empty
that's how I reasoned
 
@Xeo in a non-deduced context, the compiler should give up deducing anything. Including the presence or absence of anything
(should = I think it ought to be that way)
 
11:38 PM
nice i managed to cause rage xD
 
lol
 
the question is: are there no things?
 
shall I turn on my trolling detector?
 
or is there nothing known about the number of things?
IMO the non-deduced context leans more toward the second one
 
@Jefffrey yes, indeed
 
11:40 PM
@JohannesSchaub-litb my head is hurt
 
non-deduced context should mean "I will not deduce the (type and) number of the arguments". A particular instance of this is "I will not deduce the number of arguments to be zero".
 
I agree
one could also say it means "initially my list of types is empty, and if I appear in a non-deduced context, I will not grab items from there for my list".
but IMO this is one less viable meaning
 
btw, was the 3rd jam declared unworthy of voting?
 
@Jefffrey So... did you bing him on SO yet or is that now less necessary :D
 
11:46 PM
I guess the number of participants didn't reach the quorum
 
@sehe bing? you mean bang?
 
@AndyProwl You both win
 
@Jefffrey nope. don't wanna hand google the monopoly psychologically
 
The organisation on this jam was p bad, and it was a busy week
 
I see. Nevermind, I'll try to win the "best code fuckup" award with Shit 3
 
11:47 PM
what do you mean with "bang him on SO" ?
BTW I posted the question to std-discussion
 
what does he mean with "bing him on SO"?
 
bing, that thing for looking up things
 
29 mins ago, by sehe
@Jefffrey You obviously haven't met the Schaub much. Google him for a little on SO
Everyone knows that no one in his right mind uses SO search to search on SO
 
lol
 
It's utterly useless unless you want to be [c++-faq] user:xxxxx specific
 
11:50 PM
holy mother of god I have to recompile boost for c++11
@sehe what am I looking for exactly?
 
nope
 
user1804599
I am becoming a muslim and I am going to move to Saudi Arabia.
 
Good job
 
have fun
 
@sehe nope?
 
11:52 PM
ohh i see now
 
@Jefffrey ya know... just forget about it
 
@rightfold sounds like one of those things that happen when you invoke UB
2
 
zing
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl lol
 
lol
booo
 
11:56 PM
@rightfold that was freakin' hilarious. such a shame of the deletion
 
@thecoshman I'm a sysop, I don't need to be in every group ever.
 
user1804599
@sehe wollah stop met sarcastisch zijn ik bos jou
 
user1804599
racist
 
No. This time I actually laughed out loud. For more than 7 seconds.
You know the trick with good jokes is timing, but most importantly the unexpected.
This was unexpected, coming from you.
The deletion, I mean.
 
user1804599
@sehe Oh, gaan we zo beginnen?
 
11:58 PM
(jij ook nog een puntje erbij dan)
@rightfold Neej. Zo gaan we eindigen.
Slaap lekker
 
user1804599
Nee, we eindigen met een explosie. الله_أكبر
 

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