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3:00 PM
ps, bummer dude
 
inb4 flags
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek kok
 
You should find the person who told you to allocate C++ objects with malloc and tell them that you hate them. — molbdnilo 14 mins ago
@presiuslitelsnoflek OH NOES
were you even invited?
 
everyone's invited
 
everyone?
 
3:01 PM
everyone!
 
@TonyTheLion except LRinO
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Btw, what about you? Is now close enough?
 
And make sure you actually hate them with a vengeance. For about 5 minutes. Then, swap it for a feeling of smug superiority — sehe 7 secs ago
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek why not btw? work shit work?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Suppose it probably should be
 
3:01 PM
@thecoshman yes
 
I'll start looking into it
I do intend to go
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek ... well I hope you start felling better soon enough.
 
@thecoshman no more deepthroating
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek ooor, more
 
Yes yes, let the malloc hate flow through you and your transformation to C++ will be complete. — Borgleader 9 secs ago
 
3:02 PM
you have a male boss right?
 
I accidentally a dick
3
 
@sehe Thanks. Got a very good reference with those keywords.
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek do it some more... then maybe threaten to stop
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek Yesterday it was @DeadMG with elephant cocks, now you with cocks of unknown origins
 
@AdityaKumarPraharaj cheers
 
3:08 PM
STOP FLAGGING, SERIOUSLY
Its not funny
"Cock" is not offensive
 
stuff got flagged? =/
 
ok guys. which retard is flagging here?
 
Flagellation
 
Oh, I see the madness has not lifted from the Lounge.
 
3:09 PM
@Ahmad lol
 
@MartinJames madness races in orbit
 
fucking hell, stop cunting flagging for fuck sakes
 
Oh my, I'm getting a case of the vapors from all this swearing
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees lol
 
3:09 PM
@ScarletAmaranth succeeded
 
someone should say something like 'nigger' to really draw the flags in.
 
:15369517 that's so considerate of you (Imguring it instead of hotlinking the source)
 
durr, where did my message go :(
 
@thecoshman You just did
 
1 min ago, by sehe
Flagellation
 
3:10 PM
@sehe It's one of those sources that won't let you hotlink.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is that a massive cock, or just a very close cock?
 
its a big red hard cock
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that cock's source can't be hotlinked?
 
@thecoshman it's a precious little cock flake
 
3:11 PM
35 mins ago, by presius litel snoflek
@thecoshman nigger
 
@thecoshman that statement can be uptalked?
 
@sehe ew, cock flakes sounds nasty. get to the doc man.
 
@thecoshman Blame sehe.
 
If you get offended by cocks, you're definitely a pussy
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes STOP!
 
3:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... :(
 
@TonyTheLion or an ass
 
@TonyTheLion cheaprimshot.wav
 
1
Q: Why the compiler can't set size of char[] = { .. } in a struct member like it does for a variable declaration?

The MaskI'm using struct with initialized value inside a struct, like below example. What I can't understand is why the compiler can't set size of char[] = { .. } in a struct member like it does for a variable declaration? it give an compiler error: error: array bound cannot be deduced from an in-cla...

 
so gay (cheerful), what fags (cigarette fags)... Scarlet ejaculated (suddenly uttered)
 
3:12 PM
Actually not an unfair question. The simple answer is obviously "because the standard disallows it", but not only can I not immediately find this text (I'm sure it's there somewhere), but the reason why that rule should be in place also eludes me.
 
@ScarletAmaranth penis (penis)
 
What happens when the flag count reaches 10 - it won't fit. Does the font change?
 
@MartinJames No
 
@MartinJames People lose the will to live
I got flagged again
STAHP
 
Ah - it just gets fatter.
 
3:13 PM
@TonyTheLion where?
not that I am going to flag it too...
 
@MartinJames hah, yes, reminds me of your mom
 
@thecoshman already gone
 
@MartinJames Screenshot?
 
@Borgleader The flag icon gets fatter.
 
@Borgleader the flag system sucks so I can't get the icon back :<
 
3:15 PM
@presiuslitelsnoflek It's not possible for my mom to get any fatter.
 
general relativity disagrees
 
@Jefffrey the fag system?
 
@ScarletAmaranth yeah, that one
 
@ScarletAmaranth are you part of it?
 
3:16 PM
@TonyTheLion ew
@presiuslitelsnoflek are you practicing yet?
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek Well not measurably fatter, anyway.
 
@thecoshman practicing what
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek I flagged like 2 messages a few months back, @sehe almost killed me
 
is it presius guy flagging?
 
Witchcraft - fattening spells.
 
3:18 PM
@ScarletAmaranth and rightfully so
 
@ScarletAmaranth it was a reference that only @R.M will understand :(
@Jefffrey presius litel flagot
 
@sehe we used to flag back in a day, vOv
 
@MartinJames oooh the kitty would be so excited
@ScarletAmaranth and it would always be unloved
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek lol
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
correction: we used to fag back in a day
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek I'm not so sure
 
@rightfold hey radek sputnik wanna go disrupt the C# room?
 
alright foggats, I'm out
see y'all later
 
@TonyTheLion see ya, scallawag
 
3:20 PM
@TonyTheLion bye
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek ... I'm so flagging that
 
@TonyTheLion chu
 
Exit(1)
 
user1804599
I think I’m going to represent numbers as std::vector<T> in Styx, where I’m not yet sure about T.
 
user1804599
And the type of the number depends on its value.
 
3:21 PM
that's an awful idea
 
@rightfold Agda
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek never mind ¬_¬
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek not essentially. The awful part is in the "roll your own" part, IMO
 
@sehe giving each value its own type destroys all point of typiness
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek I don't think he said that.
 
3:23 PM
@sehe that's how I understand it. ICBWT.
 
Wokay
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek See C++.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well that was a tihng.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, well. that's just because the "type of the storage" is not the same. not because the "type of the values" are inherently different
 
3:26 PM
The type depends on the value, though.
5 mins ago, by rightfold
And the type of the number depends on its value.
 
ok, fair point. what I understood from zoidberg was that X != Y => typeof(X) != typeof(Y)
which breaks the point of types
(in other words each value gets its own type)
 
why would that break the point of types?
types which only have one value are still plenty useful
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth Never used it.
 
user1804599
But it’s statically typed, right?
 
3:38 PM
> Rollback in SQL Server will take 19 hours but 19 hours are not available. Therefore, terminate the rollback thread.
 
@rightfold yeah it also supports dependent typing
 
Xeo
static dependent typing still feels like magic to me
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm imagining an overly attached fridge right now
 
@EtiennedeMartel God, it's like that fucking toaster from Red Dwarf.
 
3:45 PM
> The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please."
He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. "I'll pay you tomorrow," he told the door. Again it remained locked tight. "What I pay you," he informed it, "is in the nature of a gratuity; I don't have to pay you."
"I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you bought this conapt."
...he found the contract. Sure enough; payment to his door for opening and shutting constituted a mandatory fee. Not a tip.
Ubik is nice.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Should I read it?
I keep telling myself I don't consume enough sci-fi.
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth I have predicate dispatch and typeof and subtype? are overloadable functions. The type of a number is stored in the number as a reference to Number but typeof reports a subtype of Number depending on the number’s value.
 
I borrowed Dune from my girlfriend, and I still haven't got around to read it.
 
user1804599
(Types are objects, as are numbers.)
 
user1804599
But it’s dynamically typed as you may have guessed.
 
3:48 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yes. No. I have no fucking idea. I both love and hate Ubik with a passion. I don't know why I like it and I hate it because I have no fucking clue what it is all about.
 
user1804599
I have no idea what this could be useful for, but it seems interesting to experiment with.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's quite short though, so yeah, give it a go.
I think it's the ultimate in Dick's crazy weirdness.
 
Is this a troll? Dunno...
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22510758/how-do-you-prevent-stack-unwinding-from-a-child-thread
 
@EtiennedeMartel Also, GPP (Genuine People's Personality from the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation) doors from H2G2.
> As the door closed behind them it became apparent that it did indeed have a satisfied sigh-like quality to it. “Hummmmmmmyummmmmmm ah!” it said.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but it's apparent now that Hitchhiker's invented everything.
 
3:55 PM
Okay then. Checks to the left.
Checks to the right.
No kitties in sight
> All I can see: youtu.be/myT3HdR48HI (mildly SFW?)
 
user1804599
And I want to store numbers as std::vector<T> so that you can have arbitrary hypercomplex numbers.
 
user1804599
The more general the better!
 
Kill -9 prevents stack unwinding. — sehe 6 secs ago
@rightfold premature featurification. Your language should support these as library features
 
@sehe Heh - yes, I've noticed that:)
 
@EtiennedeMartel That said, I should read it again.
 
user1804599
3:57 PM
@sehe Yes, numbers are in the library.
 
user1804599
They are not part of the actual language.
 
Ah. Carry on
 
so you don't have any numeric literals?
that's gonna get old.
 
user1804599
The only basic things that are part of the language are hash tables and predicate dispatch based methods.
 
user1804599
Oh well, there is syntax for number literals like 1 and 4k. :P
 
3:59 PM
so they're not at all part of the library.
 
rolls eyes
 
@Alexandru You are not treating respectfully to Cheers that was trying to help. — oopscene 6 mins ago
Alf is now called "Cheers" for short
 
user1804599
Also, I decided not to only disallow tabs as whitespace, but also in comments and string literals.
 
and I thought I had a problem with attracting users to my language.
 
@rightfold I'm sorry to hear that.
You have just ruined the indentation of every single program written in your language.
 
4:02 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nah, it just means it's gonna require an IDE now.
 
(Except those programs written with one-space-width indents)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They don't really have indentation to ruin.
 
Am I missing something or are multiple-space indents still fine?
 
@SuhosinPony We have a longstanding... "tradition" of not talking about tabs vs spaces. Naturally @LightnessRacesinOrbit, being the seasoned troll that he is, likes to try and resurrect the debate once in a while.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ahh.
 
4:03 PM
@SuhosinPony You're missing intelligence.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I see what you mean about the seasoned trolling. ;)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit For the record, you're the one who's too dumb to understand code with auto in it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit HTH :)
 
user1804599
OMG PONIES
 
user1804599
I LOVE PONIES
 
4:05 PM
Reminds me, I'm like 10 episodes behind in season 4.
 
Who doesn't?
 
@SuhosinPony Many of us.
 
@DeadMG My condolences :(
 
user1804599
 
4:05 PM
@SuhosinPony Are neither required nor desired.
 
@SuhosinPony He's too cynical.
 
@rightfold That program = the output of a very boring time on a bus stuck in traffic
 
@SuhosinPony Rainbow Dash is best pony. If we restrict that to the CMCs, then I guess it's Scootaloo.
 
user1804599
I can remember writing Perl in the train from school back to home once.
 
user1804599
It was actually the first time I wrote anything in Perl.
 
4:07 PM
@EtiennedeMartel $truth contradicts your assertion.
 
@EtiennedeMartel chloro-moron-carbons?
 
@EtiennedeMartel If I have to pick a manepony it'd be Pinkie.
 
user1804599
The code was obscure, but not this obscure.
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel You are wrong.
 
user1804599
Rarity is obviously best pony.
 
4:08 PM
s/ity/ity's sister/;
 
user1804599
She will once become best pony when Rarity is old as Granny Smith.
But not yet.
 
Xeo
I just noticed that somebody apparently snagged my basement room
 
user1804599
I just noticed I wasn’t the only one who got banned today.
 
Xeo
There's a lock on the door which none of my keys fits, and there's stuff in there that isn't mine
wtf
 
user1804599
Apparently people are very keen on cricket.
 
user1804599
4:12 PM
Time to eat lasagna, fuckers. See you later.
 
not being keen on cricket just ain't cricket.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I understand it. The difference between me and you is that I am not-dumb enough to understand why such code is potentially dangerous.
 
@Xeo How does that... even happen?
 
Xeo
I haven't used it once since moving in, never needed it. Now I do.
And just discovered the state of things
and according to my contract, it's definitly my basement room
 
@Xeo How do you know if you can't get in?
@Xeo And how long have you lived there?
 
Xeo
4:14 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you can see through the edges of the door
@LightnessRacesinOrbit little bit over a year
guess I'll just tape a notice to contact me to the door for now
 
Oohh! I love a locked-door mystery!
 
@Xeo Is there a smell of decomposition?
 
Xeo
sorry, no murder mystery
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why is it you think that, again?
 
4:19 PM
@EtiennedeMartel A whole new meaning to a spiked drink.
 
Wow, that stack-unwinding thing blew up. Seems like some SO questions need their own exception-handlers.
 
what stack nwiding thing?
 
here:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22510758/how-do-you-prevent-stack-unwinding-from-a-child-thread
Oh - I got oneboxed. my mistake:(
 
Xeo
the constraint is increadibly silly
too localized, IMO
especially with that attitude
 
Is there not some proposal, or something, about attaching an exception-handling function to a thread. One that gets called on any exception? Prolly. not work with OS exceptions anyway:(
 
Xeo
4:27 PM
you can always attach a terminate_handler or something
oh wait, on any exception
no, only if it leaves the entry function
 
@MartinJames That would not achieve what the OP wants. He still needs some debug symbols to build his stack trace.
 
Now what...
 
he can only get what he wants if the compiler implements it, which means that if his current compiler doesn't implement it, he needs to change to one that does or implement his own compiler.
 
There's an article I read a while back on how important "code comprehensibility" is, but I can't remember which blogger wrote the article. Is there a good place to ask ?
 
no
 
4:31 PM
WTF is my ISP pissing around at now? Fucking service up and down.
 
> C'est hip hop au cube
 
also
seems to me like I'm the only one unfortunate enough to have too much idea as to what actually goes into stack unwinding and EH
 
@DeadMG I wish I knew more about it
 
@jalf You really don't.
it's an unbelievable mess from start to finish.
 
@DeadMG Yeah - I use it, and have a vague idea how it works, but certainly no in-depth.
 
4:34 PM
even the LLVM guys don't know how it works- they have like, one guy, who has some idea, and that's it.
 
@DeadMG Funnily enough, that's almost what an engineer said about the switch in the village. There are cables hanging down from the trunking all over, dandelions in the walls and racks. It needs a new building, as well as new equipment. It was never the same since that oak tree fell on it some years ago.
 
they can't even tell you how to use their own EH intrinsics.
I looked into EH handling for Wide and promptly went away to work on any other feature first.
 
@DeadMG Who can't? LLVM?
 
yeah.
if you ask on IRC, nobody knows, and the only response available on their mailing list is to read the source of some other project that uses it (typical...)
 
4:37 PM
and the "documentation" raises many more questions than it answers.
 
@DeadMG well, it comes up regularly as a stumbling block for me. I'm not sure I want to do the actual learning, but having the knowledge would be ncie
pretty much the same situation as I have with Kerberos
Also fuck browsers
Firefox and IE10 in particular
 
Fuck ISP's/telcos. I pay them piles of cash and they connect me to a dandelion farm.
 
@MartinJames I'm assuming you don't want to be connected to a dandelion farm?
 
Jul 26 '13 at 15:20, by Xeo
Whatever, Lightness is a manifest-typing advocate it seems. No use arguing against that.
 
@jalf I would prefer a new switch with fibre link to my house. I prolly. don't pay them enough for that:(
 
4:42 PM
Jul 26 '13 at 16:02, by R. Martinho Fernandes
If you think grepping is a good substitute for having the compiler type check for you... Gosh why am I even here.
 
5
Q: LLVM exception handling implementation

DeadMGJust to note, I've read the questions and read the blog posts and I've also referenced the ABI. What I completely don't understand is how that interacts with LLVM's EH intrinsics. The LLVM EH page gives a very vague overview- not exactly a checklist of "Implement X, Y, Z". The LLVM EH page refe...

the blog posts referenced are pretty good.
 
That stack-unwinder-troll is poking at the puppy with a sharp stick.
 
meh
 
TBH, it's such an ungrateful little troll that I hope it gets bitten.
 
I stopped reading at if you can't answer the question at hand, which, by the way, all my questions are VERY well thought out, then that's your problem.Lightness Races in Orbit 5 secs ago
heh, jinx
 
Xeo
4:46 PM
it only renders once
 
> Today, Epic has opened up Unreal Engine 4 to the world! UE4 is now available for download in its entirety, including the full features, tools and the entire C++ source code for PC, Mac, iOS, and Android through a subscription plan. You can subscribe to UE4 for $19 per month, and ship games with UE4 commercially by paying 5% of gross revenue from product sales to users.
cc @Borgleader @melak47 @ThePhD
 
who wants to bet that the source code is shit
 
monthly subscription for the sources? o.O
are they in DRM'ed epubs or what :p
 
no idea
but $19 is pretty damn cheap for an engine that used to cost hundreds of k$
 
I bet that the source code is shit.
 
4:49 PM
not really
if you're using it for a game of the same scale that they used to market to exclusively, you'll still pay about the same price I'd guess at 5% gross revenue.
 
Also, it may not be worth it - they must have kept some way of preventing you from using it completely since they want their 5%
 
it's just cheaper for indies and shit to use.
 
@John Suing your ass off?
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz lol, kilodollars.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
 
4:51 PM
I fed Daisy
 
Yeah. How would they know ? Decompile your code ?
 
@DeadMG yeah
@John I am pretty sure the binary will be tainted in hundreds of places
you can't use an engine of such scale without it showing really
 
I tried using Unity, but it drove me nuts. So I went with Cocos2d instead.
 
um that's not really a fair comparison
considering that Unity is 3D
 
I tried using Unity but you couldn't script for it in Wide :P
 
4:53 PM
@DeadMG Bailey didn't get anything today till just. Anne went out early and did not feed him. When I got up, there was a few lumps in his bowl, so I assumed Anne had topped it up and he'd eaten most of it. Oh well, it's not like he's exactly wasting away:)
 
I'm not comparing the graphics - I just found the UI / docs etc really unfriendly.
Cocos2d the community is really helpful.
Plenty of documentation too
 
I'm back
The Lounge has gone back to normal I see
I'm glad
 
@TonyTheLion Shucks.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Plus the people working in it are tainted too. Unless you have a really really tight-knit team, word is bound to get out.
 
@DeadMG I can leave again
 
4:55 PM
I think there is no point developing games as an indie, unless you're doing it for fun, with no hope of making money.
 
what, you couldn't leave before?
 
then if it happens to work out, its a bonus.
 
did you have some medical issue preventing you from closing the browser window?
 
Meetings..
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah - the aggro. has moved into SO proper.
 
4:55 PM
@DeadMG I left the Lounge, drove home, logged back into the Lounge
such is the story of my life
 
why would anyone want to be anywhere else
we're the peak of human civilization you know.
at least, I am.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah
 
@DeadMG :/
 
@DeadMG Well, if my beer fridge is empty..
 
@TonyTheLion Gotta admit, having the peak of human civilization be apparently uncurably sick is probably a bad start.
 
4:57 PM
stupid phone chat ¬_¬
Meetings are a great way to deal with a ban
also, turns out people really don't like when people are called bitch.
 
hahaha
loser
who did you call bitch?
 
huh?
cicada
 
lots of bitches in here
 
so in general
 
4:58 PM
I seriously doubt cicada would have flagged you for that
 
to what?
 
that's kinda awesome really
 
fags (add an 'l' if you are offended)
 
altough... I don't know.
games with all those engines are just... the entry bar is skyrocketing
 
@thecoshman 404
 
4:59 PM
I think I liked it better when it was all being developed
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit huh... not sure why... works for me :P
 
and you couldn't just reach to github and get global illumination in realtime working in five minutes
 
@BartekBanachewicz I disagree- it's the exact opposite.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman your post, and he's not an owner
 

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