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00:01
@Xeo )))
Ou DeadMG hello :)
@DeadMG hello how is going? :)
Worst users
Hey, frontpage. Discuss my draft, or propose your own.
project-related things should include, y'know, project-related things, like stuff we use for our projects, like TeamCity
These will go into services
Well, I guess both
project services and project info/
huh
what the fuck is that answer.
00:25
Boo hiss
Cat Plus Plus has stopped a feed from being posted into this room
Stupid wiki feed doesn't seem to work anyway
Chat is very well coded
fixing/enhancing Stackoverflow chats has no business meaning, thus it is likely we have to put up with it for a while
chats bugs are always low on their development priority list
enhancements even more so
00:41
If you define "a while" as "forever"
ITT kitties mansplaining "business", "return on investment", "money sense" etc. again
14 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Chat is very well coded
why are you guys so sensitive about it
what's mansplaining?
I was making comments to Cat++ 's statement
lol, are you really that naive?
Ding ding ding
Scott is driving a business. For a living. IIRC
@sudorm-rfTelkitty It's not naive to notice behaviour that is onesided and boring.
00:49
Please enlight me on why they still didn't fix the chat bugs then?
Money, incompetence, who cares
19 secs ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Money, incompetence, who cares
even cat++ knows ... and he's way younger than you people
It's not pointing out the obvious at all :V
If you talk about business then yes, if you talk about life then no. There much more to life then money, but if you talk about business, then yes, money is what's concerned
Xeo
Xeo
@DeadMG feels weird to go through your old posts, eh?
00:53
@Xeo I didn't go through it. Someone upvoted it.
Xeo
Xeo
lemme try again
@DeadMG feels weird to see your old posts, eh?
@Xeo Yes. And what's super weird is that someone upvoted it.
Never forget
Also again a week without SPN what the fuck
I still don't see why you guys are so sensitive about stating a reason why chat bugs are not fixed
Also Spotify radio is really good about not doing repeats
I don't care why, I'll forever make fun of it
01:03
BTW, performance tuning for my app today while I spend 3-5 weeks waiting all paper works and other no physical things to be sorted out for my construction project
My friends don't seem to understand why I like hiking or want to be an owner builder
They think I like to torture myself
I'm bored
that's because you don't troll meta much
It seems my happiness is inversely proportional to the amount of time I spend with people, especially strangers
Am I the only one thinking SE community managers are sadists? ... with the exception of Anna and anyone I am not aware is a community manager of ...
lol see, you are sensitive to it ... I have already moved on from that topic :p
back to work on app performance
01:25
@sudorm-rfTelkitty Shog isn't a sadist. He just has a somewhat twisted sense of humor.
Xeo
Xeo
01:40
that's the best kind of humor!
01:50
"twisted" ... sounds sinister
@JerryCoffin Have you met up with him in real life?
@sudorm-rfTelkitty Yes.
OMG you really use SE to socialize I see :D
sup lounge
Boredom indeed.
02:05
Oh I'm actually excited
I finally got my virtual network device working on windows
now getting into the nitty-gritty details of ethernet frames
Exciting
Fascinating.
yeah I'm that kind of nerd =/
Wish I had some games to play
I'm just playing this nonsense: gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048
I have few hundred and don't feel like playing anything
02:06
you too, read hacker news
also while writing this VPN thingy I finally realize that the difference between a hub and a switch is pretty significant
where is that pie guy, he seems to be talented in 1 thing I could see so far - bring trollable meta questions into this lounge
I should be concentrating on performance tuning though
I guess I'll splat some more characters in Crawl
do you guys know of any compression algorithm/software that allows it to compress data chunks (for example UDP packets) given a known shared context (for example the last 100 packets received)?
Uh, any compression?
such as? zlib? can you set a context for that?
02:14
What do you need 'context' for
I mean context as in data that can be assumed to be there to reference but should NOT be included in the compressed message
What do you need it for
well, if for example the phrase "192.168.178.1" occurs a lot in packets, you can reference that to compress the packets
a lot of information in ethernet packets is repeated over time (addresses, magic numbers, etc), while compression with context could solve that
I'm basically looking for a variant of delta compression, except not necessarily for strictly sequential information, but with a sliding window of context
In networking IP Payload Compression Protocol, or IPComp, is a low level compression protocol for IP datagrams defined in RFC 3173. The intent is to reduce the size of data transmitted over congested or slow network connections, thereby increasing the speed of such networks without losing data. According to the RFC requirements, compression must be done before fragmenting or encrypting the packet. It further states that each datagram must be compressed independently so it can be decompressed even if received out of order. This is important because it allows IPComp to work with both TCP a...
(Nobody uses that probably)
Also you don't want your packets to depend on each other to be recognisable
that does EXACTLY NOT what I want
> It further states that each datagram must be compressed independently so it can be decompressed even if received out of order.
02:19
Yeah that's why nobody does it :ssh:
of course no packet will be added to the context before being ACK'ed
and not every packet will be ACK'ed, you can locally detect if strings are recurring, and then ACK those packets to add it to the shared context
Packets pass through a lot of systems
Your endpoints are not the only ones that need to be able to recognise the headers
this is for a VPN, I have guaranteed one-to-one communication
basically the system in layman's terms would work like this: you receive a lot of mail from Bob, and notice he keeps citing a chapter from the bible entirely in a lot of letters. You proceed to send Bob a letter to acknowledge that you've read that part of the bible by now and he can just reference it by chapter number instead
Yeah sure a centaur on D:3 why not
@CatPlusPlus wtf?
02:27
Dungeon Crawl
03:06
is it just me or does google all of a sudden no longer underline links?
nope, looks like it's a change: searchenginewatch.com/article/2332515/…
03:21
I saw that too, thought it is weird, but didn't recognise it was the underlines ~me so slow~
also is this the real telkitty?
you change avatars so often =/
@nightcracker it's weird looking
huh, this is telkitty and that is the real me in my avatar :(
@sudorm-rfTelkitty ok I haven't been here in a while :P
03:32
usually you had more.. fantasy avatars :P
<- this isn't your fantasy? :p
don't blame you >_<
I wasn't talking about my fantasy, just fantasy in general :P
what are you implying ~_~
that your avatars were things like anime
I mean fantasy as in fictional
nothin more
fictional would've been a better word choice
lol, was joking with you :p ... but just happens some people might get offended by last my avatar, happened to one of my friends once, so I decided to change it
then I realised I really should have combed my hair
03:36
you don't want to see my hair
god
wikipedia's format for packets/packed data should be made mandatory
it's so much clearer than other stuff
not quite
04:07
user image
2
04:23
@ScottW scottie pup <3
only you ... to everyone else I am probably their nightmare :p
nightmares can be fantasy
04:58
@CatPlusPlus I like the shitty one we have now better.
05:37
performance bottle neck was the Json parser, who would have thought ...
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But JSON is too perfect to be a bottleneck!
06:12
I sometimes misread GCC flags as GCC fags.
iunno
he's from facebook and that awful folly library
I like Folly.
The presentation I posted above is pretty basic. Kinda like C++ 101.
Well
The site's cool.
I'll give it that
yeah
having the video and the full slides side by side is pretty cool
06:33
yeah, I like that too
Hmm..
how to work on two projects at once using git
git submodules sounds like a pain
6 hours ago, by DeadMG
what's mansplaining?
Is concepts-lite planned for C++14?
post-C++14
07:06
hmm
I'm using boost callbacks with boost bind on a member function
but somehow the this pointer gets trashed
oh no wait, the this pointer is in the same location
then the stack gets trashed or something =/
oh derp, the entire class ended up being a temporary >.<
07:39
I don't know why google urls without underlines looks so weird to me
but it's tripping me up a bit
I kinda hate it
not because it's worse
but because it's different
it'll definitely take me some time to get used to it
looks like ass atm though
honestly this makes me realize I should probably make a google userstyle that is a lot better than the pretty awful presentation google has right now
it uses like 1/3rd of my screen
1 hour ago, by Rapptz
git submodules sounds like a pain
Git submodules it is!
I don't know another way to simultaneously work with two repositories anyway
git subtree sucks
I'm actively trying to use C++11
but I feel so dirty doing things half in C++11-style and the other stuff not =/
I constantly wonder about stupid stuff like "if I use auto here, why not there?"
07:51
use auto when you're lazy or have to
08:09
use auto except where you can't
TIL my compiler knows auto.... but only as storage class - and then assumes implicit int facepalm
@Rapptz they are, but the alternatives are as well.
the things you find on WP. Also, stock response to entitled leeches.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ^ test of applied German
user1804599
> M-x machineofdeath-mode
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inb4 real Emacs easter egg.
@R.MartinhoFernandes (have you seen that ß question? I think you will probably know this off-hand)
08:23
Guys, can you test ^ in Firefox? It does not make the math look nice while Chrome does.
Is it my FF or what?
user1804599
@sehe I don't WYSIWYG-to-HTML editors that allow you to specify custom fonts and all that crap.
@TonyTheLion Do you think the Kitty got it? :)
Ah, never mind, I restarted FF and it works now.
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Just give me "code" and "heading 1" and "heading 2" and "emphasis" and the like.
user1804599
People who use font sizes for creating headings are hilarious.
08:25
WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?!!
Nobody can make math look nice. Not even a browser
:D
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@sehe WSIT
@rightfold They also went extinct in 2002
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@sehe nope.
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More like the opposite.
08:25
ITT Zoidberg works with zombies
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I worked with nerds.
Those were the days.
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The worst year of my life so-far.
@sehe I just took a stab at it
And I don't even speak German :)
user1804599
I want C-c C-t in PHP. :<
08:28
I want CC-TV for your PHP
seeseeseetee in pee aich pee?
¬_¬ this bug analyse thing 'we' are doing is getting stupid. after haven gone through some of the recentish bugs to see what sort of thing caused them, and then aggregating them together to see if there are common problem areas (which I thought it was fairly clear already before wasting so much time on this) we are now having to go back into a 'deep dive'.
ew
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@thecoshman Bug? Rewrite from scratch.
room topic changed to Lounge<Lies>: throw lounge_error(broken_promise); // loungecpp.net [sapere-aude] [teehee]
@jalf I was mostly amused at the content (and the date)
08:30
@sehe Ah. I'm mostly amused at Microsoft's attitude that "Unicode is too confusing. Let's not do that"
@rightfold vOv I don't see why we are not using Erlang. Reading changes from many sources, then writing back changes that are the result of knock on effects. Ie, if I change my name, and you have a 'proxy' of me, you need that proxy updated to. It's just huge amounts of that. A simple problem really, but my lord is it a terrible solution.
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Because few people know Erlang.
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@thecoshman You need an extra layer of abstraction.
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But inb4 duplicate code thus cancer.
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@jalf better not do something if you are confused than doing it terribly because you are confused.
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08:35
Mixins are funny in PHP.
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@rightfold they're doing it terribly because they think it'll be confusing to others otherwise
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lol
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    $regex = preg_replace('[^a-zA-Z0-9]', '', $query);
    $regex = '.*' . implode('.*', str_split($regex)) . '.*';
user1804599
|> operator would be so damn nice.
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08:50
Also lol at PHP explode('', 'foo') returning FALSE and not ['f', 'o', 'o'].
09:07
@sehe donno
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Piet Hein Donno.
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Piet Hein Döner.
goddammit Firefox.
Just when I thought browser keyboard events couldn't be any more messed up
I am searching for the right words. When building custom software for a client, there are typically two rounds of testing. One is at the supplier (testing the software package you are about to ship to the client) and one at the client (testing the software package you received is good).
Is there a difference in naming for these two activities of testing?
I often heard "testing" vs "validation", but google does not seem to follow that definition :)
@rightfold and?
09:19
One is verification and the other is validation, but I can't remember which is which
@parasietje ask it on p.se
@Abyx thanks!
¬_¬ Google has changed it's layout... I am unsettled
user1804599
@thecoshman so using Erlang is expensive.
@rightfold vOv what we are currently doing is proving expensive :P
user1804599
09:24
Call Joe Armstrong.
user1804599
He worked at your company!
Whatever happened to Zoidlang?
user1804599
It was renamed to Styx.
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09:28
I wish C++ had goto case like C# does.
lol goto case
user1804599
The macro works fine too. :3
"Well, your quantum computer is broken in every way possible simultaneously." -- http://t.co/zzo6YXBwZi
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@TonyTheLion more puns.
Hmm...
I want to discuss GitHub OAuth with respect to a web app server. Is it ok?
user1804599
09:35
As long as you write the H in GitHub uppercase.
Our web application is supposed to authenticate our users against existing GitHub accounts (later also against LinkedIn).
@jalf lolwut
That's ridiculous.
So, as I understand it, on the browser side, the web UI will have to authenticate a user against GitHub, right? The user's browser will get some secret token, right?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pretty much, yeah
"Users have wrong expectations about how this works. Let's follow their expectations instead of giving them the right thing"
user1804599
09:37
Hmm, de() { $* &disown; exit }. 😸
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also, screw the many users who have expectations of correct behavior.
How's ogonek coming along, by the way?
A rather long hiatus. :S
@wilx it's only secret if you're using https... and even that isn't so sure anymore
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I assume it will only run on HTTPS.
09:52
but technically you're right. You should have at least one token with oauth2.
It depends how you authenticate but you should have a token and possibly a refresh token.
The refresh token is used to get a new token when the expiry date is reached for the "token". With the refresh token you can receive a new token without having to reauthenticate.
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@Rapptz woot
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> "git add <path> is the same as "git add -A <path>" now.
user1804599
Nice. Time to upgrade.
09:56
watch out for the new git push default
user1804599
I always had simple.
me too
user1804599
I should run emerge --sync more often.
@rightfold dem puns
10:15
loungelie ~ lingerie ?
> The irony is that, buried in this avalanche of speculation, there are some really interesting stories that have been largely ignored. How is it, for example, that for all the supposed increases in airline security in the wake of 9/11, checks at airports are so bad that people with stolen passports can apparently travel at will? And why is it that in an era...
> ... of high speed 4G broadband, when 40-year-old technology can transmit data back from beyond the edge of the solar system, we still have to send ships and divers to retrieve data from a plane, rather than simply transmitting it in real time?
Good article, this.
Now it is fashionable to steal airplanes?
o_0 the complexity of what I am trying to do has just hit me.
@thecoshman what are you trying to do?
10:24
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have wondered this too
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Seems like a valid point
> This could include ‘cloaking’ technology that uses a hexagonal array of glasslike panels to bend light around an object
lol
Plane lost => science-fiction.
Journalists these days.
They still have no clue where it is?
@R.MartinhoFernandes wat.
Journalists aren't trained statisticians
@jalf Apparently part of one of the published "theories" about the incident
10:28
The plane went into a wormhole.
There you go, another "published 'theory'".
Easy to do
Are they suggesting that a passenger airplane spontaneously evolved cloaking technology? Or how did it come to acquire this?
@jalf aliens obviously
blackhole above Vietnam sky ...
@jalf Apparently there were some employees of a company that specialises in electronic warfare or whatnot on the plane.
@jalf They are suggesting that some of the passengers, because they are involved in such research, somehow installed this equipment on a commercial passenger flight.
10:30
It's obvious that such people cannot travel without disappearing their vehicles.
@sudorm-rfTelkitty feeling any better, by the way?
Have you ever seen one of their cars?
I am feeling fine today, thanks for asking
Bet you didn't.
They cloaked them.
It's obvious.
10:31
:)
may be the plane already landed somewhere and nobody noticed
@R.MartinhoFernandes It all makes sense now :o
or they flew to Narnia
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Kinda like that woman who joined a search party looking for herself?
10:35
@jalf Oh my, if the opportunity ever arises, I'm totally doing that.
And then brutally murder every member of the search party with my own hands, one by one.
"Norfolk's deputy chief fire officer Roy Harold accepted the service should have followed its own advice."
This is movie material right there.
heh
10:36
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm.. that's not bad...
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Arrgh, those paragraphs again.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Written. For people. Who feel. Reading long sentences. Is exhausting.
BBC, innit. Dumbed down.
@jalf erm... it's sort of like CSS... but for data that isn't in an XML format... and where I need to be able to select out many nodes from the tree... being able to select based on how they are related... which may be by some other data that is stored as just a map of nodes that are/are not related in ways that I may/may not be interested in...
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What language?
10:41
@rightfold ¬_¬ Java
user1804599
If it were C# I'd say convert it into an expression tree and compile that to a delegate and call it on the data. :P
@rightfold o_0
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I don't get one thing, Lambda expression is patented by Microsoft. What is the chance Java can use it? — hardywang Jul 17 '12 at 1:07
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lolwat
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I should patent while loops.
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10:45
@thecoshman what vOv
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh I see you swapped out the favicon
@rightfold ... I know what C# is...
user1804599
Why the terrible smiley?
confused
Hidalgo was marketed as based on a true story. TIL that, in a way, it was: it was based on one of the many lies that Frank Hopkins made up.
As much as we love to believe miracles, the plane probably just exploded, turned into a fireball, sunk into the depth of the ocean. Full stop.
10:56
"just exploded"
@thecoshman Cat did. I don't have admin access to the wiki. I'm just the most active contributor.
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