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7:01 PM
You refuse to believe that this kind of spacing has been used in other projects? Well, suits you!
:P
 
I just don't think it was common
 
It's probably aligned
 
@Rapptz We all like to believe in what we think is right
has someone ever done a photoshop of this gif but with the things @CatPlusPlus hates?
sorry about that
 
gif gif
it used to be allowed
 
Turns out Titanfall runs at 792p on Xbox One.
 
7:04 PM
I can understand some people find the oneboxed gifs annoying
 
I shouldn't be a general ban IMO.
But hey :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel surely you mean 252*pi?
 
@nightcracker No, I'm serious. Or at least the beta ran at that.
 
oh wait 792 is a real thing?
weirdest number ever =/
 
@nightcracker 720/1080 are just conventions. In practice, it's how high your back buffer is.
 
7:07 PM
hmm, it's pretty composite 2 * 2 * 2 * 3 * 3 * 11
 
They probably tried 793 and it lagged too much.
 
Anyway, it's going to be upscaled to 1080p because that's what your TV supports.
 
> "Arduino-based remote control for the radio-controlled Lelo vibrators"

Probably one of the most original libraries I've seen on Github.
 
> which, by the way, if they had chosen C# instead of crappy useless java for the Android platform, it would be 400% faster and consume less battery on mobile devices.
how is this offensive?
truth hurts
 
7:11 PM
@nightcracker It's obvious trolling.
 
people that have internet access are offended by that?
 
And the guy is talking right out of his ass. Android isn't slow because of the language, it's slow because of the runtime.
Also.
 
It's just a boring idiot
 
> I've been obsessed with WPF/XAML and MVVM for a long time.
 
I can't decide on my CLI interface
 
7:12 PM
Anyone who is obsessed with anything, no matter how good, is an idiot.
@CatPlusPlus What are you looking for?
 
I never used Java for more than a random project in school
didn't like it but haven't used it enough to hate it either
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm obsessed with moderation.
 
@StackedCrooked No "your mom" joke? You're losing your edge.
 
> poldermodel
 
@EtiennedeMartel there's a time for everything
 
7:16 PM
@StackedCrooked I always have time for your mom
 
Ideally I want monolithic commands to simplify workflow, but I also want flexibility
HARD CHOICES
 
@CatPlusPlus Is there a way to have both?
 
Maybe init-local, init-remote and init combining both
 
flexilithic
 
7:17 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Nearly everybody turns out to be obsessed with at least a few things (e.g., breathing). It's a strange obsession, since they rarely think about it, but they still can't stop themselves...
 
@JerryCoffin I don't think it's an obsession if you rarely think about it.
I mean, being obsessed is when you can hardly think about anything else, right?
 
sessed and obsessed, server and observer, etc..
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sort of. In this case, it's an obsession so serious, it's ingrained into our bodies and brains, whether we think about it consciously or not. Odd bit though: my dad knew a guy who'd had Polio. He could still breathe, but it no longer happened automatically. He slept in an iron lung. During the day, he'd carry a ball in his hand, so if he started to pass out it'd fall on the floor and remind him to breathe.
 
hey guys give me a idea how exacly i will develop my application :) i have like treecontrol with tab control by selecting treecontrol members the tabcontrol will change in that tabcontrol i will put a lot of controls (checkbox, edicontrol.. etc.) question is how i want it make..write all thoust configs in file and then use parameters of fille? to run up program?
 
Xeo
7:30 PM
and I recommend to think really hard how you formulate your question
 
How does the shared memory segment work. I never seem to answer these questions correctly,
char *str = "hello" "world" ;
How does this get stored? I never knew i could write two strings like that
 
they get concatenated at compile time.
 
@Klasik Holy run on sentence, Batman!
@shortCircuit The compiler (or is it the preprocessor?) merges the two together.
 
Where can I find these, I did not find it in the c FAQ
 
@EtiennedeMartel its complicated to explain >)
 
7:35 PM
@Klasik Then take your time, think about it, and if you still have questions, ask them on Stack Overflow. Not here, it'll take too much time.
 
@EtiennedeMartel true. I was thinking about this about a week :)
 
> When you work with API you may notice two similar fields in api entites: id and iid. The main difference between them is scope.
GitLab API has all the best design
 
what exactly is gitlab?
 
@Klasik you are week?
 
When do we use declarations like this, ClassName *object; in c++ . classes and casting and inheritance seems vaster than what I learnt in elementary java
 
7:39 PM
@shortCircuit Read a book.
 
@shortCircuit I'm not trying to scare you away, but this room generally does not appreciate beginner-level C++ questions
 
@EtiennedeMartel Compiler. Phase 6 of translation for the truly pedantic.
 
@nightcracker Especially coming from a Java background
 
@Jefffrey typo
 
7:40 PM
gah this room search thing sucks
 
@nightcracker gitlab.com
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah I looked at that
 
i made the mistake of formatting my hard drive without saving the url of my usual room why can't i find it !!!
 
is it like a software package to host your own github?
 
7:41 PM
k
then the obvious question: why use this over github?
 
Enterprise GitHub is hella expensive
 
i dont get the obsession with github
 
Something for the robot? stackoverflow.com/q/22331487/85371
 
but then im used to tfs
 
lol
 
7:42 PM
@Wardy Woa there nelly.
 
lol you use a tool for long enough it becomes the thing to use
 
He's the guy that stores his favourite room name in tfs (and hides the address bar)
 
i really have to experiment more
 
@CatPlusPlus hmm, if you could disregard price, which is better, gitlab or github?
(e.g.: high funding project/open source)
 
I've never tried EGH
 
7:43 PM
and regular non-enterprise?
 
GitLab is when you want self-hosting
Obviously non-enterprise GH doesn't apply
 
god
the person that made the introduction video has such a dutch accent it hurts
 
am i missing something here ... a hierarchical database is basically a relational database is it not ?
 
them eyebrows are so sexy
 
@Wardy No, it's not.
 
7:56 PM
but setting up a relational database in a hierarcical way basically results in the same thing does it not ? (in terms of relational structure at least) ...
 
Guys, I've been hanging around in the Java room.
 
> If you chase two rabbits you will lose them both.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Has our brave scout come with news of our hated enemy?
 
@nightcracker you hate that too :)
 
7:58 PM
lol @Jeffrey
 
@nightcracker They hate Ruby too.
 
@sehe it saddens me to know that everyone I ever talk with instantly knows I'm dutch, despite me thinking my accent isn't that bad
 
@EtiennedeMartel An alliance is still doubtful though.
 
> Cette vidéo n'est pas accessible dans votre pays.
 
We must be careful about forming alliances with those that emulate processors, such blasphemy!
 
8:01 PM
 
@Jefffrey Yes.
 
tough crowd
 
@Jefffrey that's great
hadn't seen that one before
 
love it crowd ... have them all on my nas i think
although i have way too many TB of data on there now
need to have a clear out or something
 
1740: To ensure a corpse is dead, writes Dr Winslow, put garlic and feathers up its nose and warm urine in its mouth. http://historyweird.com/1740-test-corpse-garlic-nose/
 
8:06 PM
or just buy another one and fill that up
 
2014: How can I program without mutable state? 1984: How can I program without line numbers?
I'm tony 2 today
@rightfold, have you ever tried Sequel (Ruby)? /cc @ell
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This Twitter account is solid gold.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hibernum hires a new executive (COO): Stephane D'Astous as Chief Operating Officer
 
@Borgleader Well damn.
 
8:14 PM
@Jefffrey nice one
I once asked myself the latter question..
I initially learned programming with line numbers.
 
That must have been awful
 
It was awful if you had to insert new lines. You'd run out of numbers.
 
Xeo
it can be pretty beautiful
 
In order to start writing a program on C64 you didn't need to create a file. You just started entering lines in the command shell.
 
I've only tried coding in Commodore BASIC and it was kinda fascinating
 
8:19 PM
If your line started with a number it was assumed to be a statement of your program.
If you wanted to insert a line between two previous lines you had to pick a line number between the line numbers of those statements.
 
Xeo
107
A: Execute prints backwards

Danko DurbićCommodore 64 BASIC 40 print "Line 1" 30 print "Line 2" 20 print "Line 3" 10 print "Line 4"

:)
 
@StackedCrooked Do you believe we are all going towards the non-mutable state direction?
 
I don't know. I'm not a guru.
I'm StackedCrooked!
 
more crooked than anything :P
 
@Xeo cool
@Jefffrey Thanks for the compliment ;)
 
8:24 PM
Also, I've just looked up what "Crooked" means, and I've just understood what Stacked's name means/refers to
you learn something new every day
 
you need to Google "stacked crooked"
 
@StackedCrooked doesn't translate well in italian
 
You'll get this.
It's a song I thought had a cool title and I liked the band a lot.
Not their best song, but a good one.
 
@StackedCrooked I like their style
 
@Jefffrey then you should checkout this one as well! :D
it's less than 3 minutes :)
Ready to download!
@Jefffrey I used to have The slow descent into alcoholism as my phone ringtone.
 
8:36 PM
@StackedCrooked dem videos are nice too
in Java, 1 hour ago, by Etienne de Martel
If I had to make server software, I'd pick Java because it works.
 
If you are interested, be sure to check out The Bleeding Heart Show and The Jessica Numbers and many others.. :P
 
If I had to make server software, I'd pick Erlang because it's built for it
 
[s]er[v]lang
 
Java is about as good for servers as C# is
 
in Java, 59 mins ago, by Etienne de Martel
@HighCore Flash is still going strong.
lol
 
8:40 PM
Flash is going strong like a dying hero.
 
@CatPlusPlus As long as you run on Windows.
 
Deploying ASP.NET on Mono is kinda annoying, but overall it's about the same
And await/async makes writing solid async code much easier
So yeah I wouldn't pick Java over C#, but I also wouldn't pick either over Erlang
 
@EtiennedeMartel, why do you drop them pearls on savage rooms?
 
@Jefffrey It's not the first time I say that anyway.
 
JVM is a solid platform but Java is crap for this kind of software
 
8:44 PM
@CatPlusPlus Gooo Scala.
 
Clojure, maybe
Scala doesn't offer much more in terms of async primitives than Java
And also has annoying syntax :v
(Woah I just said something has more annoying syntax than a goddamn Lisp dialect)
2
 
@Wardy with garlic and feathers
@CatPlusPlus Pro tip: Lisp has precisely too few syntax things to be annoyings
 
(((((()))
()())))))
 
Unbalanced
(((((()))()()))) // ))
FTFY
 
9:00 PM
I haven't picked up a book since last Tuesday.
 
dead trees are so last century.
 
So, Québec now has his very own Berlusconi: macleans.ca/economy/business/the-king-of-quebec
 
tldr
 
user3010322
<____>
 
user3010322
It's happening again
 
user3010322
Coordinates in reverse
 
9:36 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Sounds like time to call your national anti-competition and media regulators.
 
@DeadMG Doesn't really work that way here.
 
sbi
9:58 PM
Holy Mother Of God! (Probably not safe for your work.)
Good evening!
 
Have been sitting on Google for an hour now You should debug. For a lot more than just an hour... — Lightness Races in Orbit 5 secs ago
this is what's wrong with programmers today
 
sbi
Wow. This place is dead.
Yawns.
I should go to bed, too.
Good night, sleepy-heads!
 
hello ;)
anybody there? :))
 
user3010322
0200 to the reckoning. Hoohua.
 
@Klasik Not sure if I'm in here
 
10:08 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How do you "sit on Google"?
 
ou Tony hello :)
@Jefffrey how is going? :)
 
@Klasik Not going anywhere tbh :)
 
@Jefffrey )))
 
user3010322
@sbi Sleep well!
 
@ThePhD, furrovine is a graphic library right?
 
user3010322
10:11 PM
Furrovine is an everything library.
 
@ThePhD does it use opengl?
 
user3010322
@Jefffrey It uses whatever I tell it to (OpenGL/DirectX).
 
@Klasik No menu there. Just a tree control and a bunch of checkboxes/buttons.
 
@TonyTheLion not sure
 
10:17 PM
@JerryCoffin true.. i'm working in visual studio.. how its possible to make different windows? how I dane it: created tabcontrol with checkbox in it.. so i'm destroying all the time and creating new one when pressing some option.. in treecontrol..
@JerryCoffin its hard understand to me because actually I'm not programmer :) just learning language from google..
 
@Klasik lol
 
@Klasik Not sure how people normally handle that. I've seen people create on demand, and also create all of them hidden, then just un-hide on demand. The latter trades slightly longer time to launch the dialog for slightly faster control switching when you click a tree item.
 
@JerryCoffin haw do u think is I need write to some .ini file conditions of controls.. and then read it and implement to variables of working program? I really need idea how I will done it...
@JerryCoffin yes its really ingenerating problem... I was googling for some example of that kind menu.. but cant find..
 
@ThePhD Okay.
 
10:26 PM
@JerryCoffin I think I need write a question about it
 
I'm not sure I should go to sleep
sleep is for losers, right?
 
Whyyyy is the Text property on a TextBlock or Run set as two-way bound by default?
You can't even edit the text on one of those!
 
@Jefffrey if u day so :DD
 
I definitely night so
 
@Jefffrey in my country is 00:31
 
10:32 PM
1 min ago, by Klasik
@Jefffrey if u day so :DD
 
@Jefffrey dam. in my room is dark :D
 
@EtiennedeMartel wait what?
 
hiiii :)))
scotty how are you? :)
 
@Klasik ma**dam**? :P
@ScottW hey
 
@Jefffrey exactly! ))))
 
10:34 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Whenever I bind a read-only property to TextBlock.Text, and don't specify a one way binding, I get an exception telling me I can't set a TwoWay or OneWayToSource binding on that.
Or maybe it's just on Run.Text.
Anyway, it's fucking stupid.
 
@ScottW where from tiredness come? :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel iirc it's one way data binding for TextBlock by default, you can check that by checking the DependencyProperty. Maybe it's another error?
 
@ScottW drink coffee ;)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Try it yourself.
As I said, maybe it's just Run.Text.
 
@ScottW wow.. man go sleep ;) what are u do for that long?
 
10:36 PM
@Klasik he is not a loser ;)
 
@EtiennedeMartel are you binding to a property and are both the getter/setter public?
(Or in your case, just the getter if you're binding one way)
 
@Jefffrey tss he dosn't know about that I think :))
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum <Run Text="{Binding MyProperty}" />
Where MyProperty has no setter.
public static readonly DependencyProperty TextProperty = DependencyProperty.Register("Text", typeof(string), typeof(Run), new FrameworkPropertyMetadata(string.Empty, FrameworkPropertyMetadataOptions.BindsTwoWayByDefault, new PropertyChangedCallback(Run.OnTextPropertyChanged), new CoerceValueCallback(Run.CoerceText)));
 
@EtiennedeMartel oh, you can two way data bind a run. A TextBlock should work.
 
@ScottW maybe u know how make that kind menu? in visual studio? problem is i cant model it on one lyer. i was created tab control.. so when selecting something in treecontrol the tabcontrol will destroyed and created another it is good way to solve that? polzer-sw.com/files/pictures/stories/2007/nod32-30/…
 
10:41 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Since .NET 4.
 
Or setting it to OneWay
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I know you can, but why is it the default?
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey yes.
 
user1804599
It’s pretty nice for executing SQL queries.
 
@EtiennedeMartel don't know, usually the default is two way if it can bind two way.
 
10:42 PM
@rightfold and it's not for the "data mapper" part?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum The default is two way if FrameworkPropertyMetadataOptions.BindsTwoWayByDefault is set.
 
user1804599
I don’t know, because I don’t use such things.
 
IC
 
@EtiennedeMartel yeah, I was talking about from a framework design perspective.
 
user1804599
But if I don’t have to modify my classes to fit Sequel it should be fine.
 
10:43 PM
I admit it's odd though, I've never two way data bound a Run
 
@ScottW how make that kind menu? as in photo
 
user1804599
I.e. I don’t want to have User derive from Model or something like that.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum TwoWay is more restrictive because it means some code isn't gonna work.
You can expect most properties to have a getter.
But you can't do so with setters.
 
@rightfold that's usually only the case with the active record pattern.
 
user1804599
It is horrible.
 
10:44 PM
@rightfold Hmm...I think that sounds kind of good. "All my users are models. Want to come to my party?"
 
user1804599
class Album < Sequel::Model
end
album = Album.new
 
user1804599
Bleh.
 
@rightfold it's a simple pattern for simple use cases. It is kind of horrible from a design PoV but sometimes it's enough.
 
@rightfold why?
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Coupling your entity with a data store is a horrible idea.
 
user1804599
10:46 PM
You cannot just use them without the data store if you want.
 
user1804599
You cannot test them without connecting to a slow database.
 
@ScottW if I try be more understandable will u try to help me? :))
 
user1804599
Also SRP.
 
user1804599
An entity should not be responsible for how it’s stored.
 
10:46 PM
@rightfold Connect them to a fast mock database.
 
@rightfold yes you can? just modify their internal implementation later
 
@rightfold it's a simplification.
 
@rightfold That's what mocks are for.
 
user1804599
it's an abomination.
 
And that's also what the Repository pattern is for.
 
10:47 PM
@rightfold People make design sacrifices in order to write less code.
 
user1804599
Hey let’s derive everything from everything.
 
user1804599
Very flexible because it’s so simple to use!
 
user1804599
@BenjaminGruenbaum No wonder most code bases are terrible.
 
@rightfold An ActiveRecord is a model, you just shouldn't use that design pattern when not writing simple things like DB skins.
 
@rightfold KISS
 
user1804599
10:48 PM
@Jefffrey Indeed.
 
It solves the 'database skin' use case pretty well, it just sucks as soon as you have logic in which case you should have proper DTOs and domain objects.
 
user1804599
Keep It Separated, Stupid.
 
@rightfold that's not how I recall it
 
user1804599
Me neither, but it fits in this case. :)
 
10:48 PM
@rightfold you bastard :)
 
@rightfold one might claim activerecord is a good idea if you put only persistence logic and nothing else on your domain object and keep everything stateless.
All the objects do is storage, it's anemic but I've heard that opinion before.
Personally I like what EntityFramework does, I know - I suck but meh :P
 
user1804599
You still cannot test the code that uses the objects without having a data store.
 
It just gives you plain old C# objects and replaces the repository since you have LINQ.
@rightfold sure you can? You create them yourself using the constructor?
 
@rightfold ok I will try. 1 I want menu as in photo:polzer-sw.com/files/pictures/stories/2007/nod32-30/… 2 its hard to me make that menu because I have only one layer to put all thous checkboxes. 3 so my question is how that menu was created? :)
 
@rightfold If it's an interface to access the storage yes
see std::vector or any container for example
@EtiennedeMartel I don't get it :c
 
11:08 PM
@Jefffrey Which font would you think would go well with the logo/tagline?
I'm thinking of a banner-like thing for frontpage, [logo] Lounge<C++> and tagline below that
 
@ScottW lol
 
hello
 
@CatPlusPlus Everything in the logo is fat, I guess a thin font wouldn't fit well. But a part from that it's all up to preference.
@Rapptz hello :)
 
my internet's been going up and down for 6 hours
it may go down again, who knows.
either way I'm annoyed
 
I know the fell, unfortunately. It's been like that for months on my side.
*feel, I didn't fall
> CGLMBufferSpanManager::CGLMBufferSpanManager
 
11:33 PM
@Rapptz The Internet goes down on you, you're annoyed. A woman won't go down on you, you're annoyed again. Make up your mind already!
 
oh my... numberphile had another video that mentions how a sum of all numbers can end up with -1/12 :P
At least they did mention that it is using analytic continuation.
They also sort of glossed over them sort of saying you can really screw with the world of mathematics whilst earning a million dollars :P
 
11:48 PM
Do a hard refresh if there's no styling
 
huh
it suddenly occurs to me that I just spent an hour talking to myself about fictional scenarios in the context of this TV show that I am currently watching.
maybe more than an hour.
 
What would you like us to say?
 
dunno
does this frequently occur to you?
it seems like a defect to me
 
Xeo
I love talking to myself
 

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