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Ell
7:00 PM
@DeadMG let them do what they want
It's their body
 
@DeadMG Thought control is a rather pervasive slippery slope.
 
@Ell Why should I stop people from throwing away their lives just because they hit a low point?
 
@Ell Because you must~
 
I mean
 
@Loïc Commit crimes, get police chasing you, pull a gun, get shot.
 
7:00 PM
uh if I could just process them manually
 
completely ignoring what's in the best interests of the suicidee
think of all the economic value of the work they could do if they survive and become fit again.
 
maybe I can just change that, and use the state from the parameter
 
Happiness is mandatory
 
@DeadMG Humans are not machines.
 
and all the economic value of the future potential suicidees that you could save by learning from their experience and becoming more efficient at preventing suicide.
 
7:01 PM
Hey
 
@EtiennedeMartel no really?
 
@DeadMG What the fuck.
 
:laffo:
 
What. The fuck.
 
7:01 PM
That's it. I'm out of here.
 
Life is literally a work camp
 
@EtiennedeMartel Except cylons
 
You're not allowed to quit, you're ruining the economy!
 
well, Ell doesn't seem to believe in helping other people because it would help them, so
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix That's debatable... (in the case of the human models)
 
7:02 PM
1 min ago, by DeadMG
completely ignoring what's in the best interests of the suicidee
 
ugh fucking callback hell
 
Ell
@DeadMG I believe people should have freedom over their own body
and freedom over most things
 
Helping people that don't want help is not good
And justifying it with economy is just :lol:
 
eh
economical is not my primary justification.
but as I said, Ell doesn't seem to believe in helping others because it makes their lives better.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz try grokking the Cont monad? :D
 
7:03 PM
so I skipped that.
 
Your words betray you then
 
Ell
@DeadMG How is banning smoking doing this?
 
Ell
That just stops the people that want to start smoking from smoking
 
@Ell How is preventing people from dying of horrible diseases helping them?
I guess I never thought this particular part through.
 
Ell
7:04 PM
@DeadMG They have voluntarily started smoking
 
@Xeo I might try, but I think the problem lies in the fact that void pollEvents(void) operates on GLFW state that is hold inside and I can't just process the events sequentially :/
 
State's function is to stop people from harming each other, not themselves
 
@Ell not only the people that smoked... for exemple any cancer
 
which is a problem we should rectify.
 
Ell
You're ignoring the fact they have evaluated the situation and chosen to get the disease
 
7:05 PM
@Ell I am ignoring it, because it's totally irrelevant.
 
If you were to prevent me from killing myself because of the economic value I can provide, I'd just slack off like never before. Maybe get you to feed me because I'd starve otherwise.
 
Ell
@DeadMG Choice is irrelevant?
 
It's fucking not
 
Ell
Lordy
How much of a leftie are you
 
That is, until the whips come out.
 
7:06 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Kinky!
 
Damn pigs running the farm
 
It's literally a slave camp
 
@Ell not every people who get a cancer are smokers... the cigaret can harm people around for example
 
WE KNOW BEST WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU LITTLE HUMAN
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
State's function is to stop people from harming each other, not themselves
 
@Ell Not all choices. Only some choices.
 
Ell
7:06 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I agree that stopping smoking around people who don't want smoking is the right thing
 
Banning smoking in public is okay law
Banning smoking altogether is shit
 
Ell
I agree with Cat
 
I could choose to go around murdering people, but I think you'd agree that my choice here is probably irrelevant.
and that it would not be wise.
 
@Ell I don't think anyone choose s the disease. They just convince themselves otherwise, or ignore it
 
@CatPlusPlus it's more complicated than that... it's better to create a better behaviour than to prevent something to happen IMO and reduce collateral damage
 
7:07 PM
well, that's pretty much it.
people only make the choice to smoke if they are defective.
 
@CatPlusPlus in public buildings... right?
 
And then they have a precedent and start banning things their religion says is bad
 
Because if they do actively choose the disease, totally mental institution Material
 
you don't mean in public in general
RIGHT?
 
@Jefffrey Smoking got banned in Quebec almost everywhere except the street except the bus stop . All I know is that people started to hang out more in the bars because they didn't smell like shit after 10 min
 
7:09 PM
and I personally would rather help cure/prevent defective behaviour than just ignore it.
 
Great
Be a psychiatrist
Don't make fucking laws
 
@DeadMG yes but you can't "ban" it. Or you'll have to deal with the mafia and the black market
 
@DeadMG lol
bite me
 
god fucking hell
 
I know a solution.
 
7:10 PM
why would you create a library that has to use callbacks
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Eh. I'd much rather deal with them.
 
Shoot the Mafia
 
what's the fucking point
 
Xeo
kill all people
 
give me the message queue for fucks sake
 
7:10 PM
Yes.
 
everybody has the choice to do stuff that can harm themselves
like drinking alcohol
 
BUT NOT WITH CALLBACKS
 
Robots are not people
 
smoking
eating too much peanut butter
 
drinking alcohol is not inherently harmful in the same way smoking is.
 
7:10 PM
cut themselves
 
and it can be genuinely beneficial if used correctly.
 
:lol:
 
@DeadMG yeah... the ballmer's peek!
 
@DeadMG what's special about it?
 
7:11 PM
Makes you drunk
 
room topic changed to Lounge<Farm>: Because some Loungers are more equal than others. [no-followers] [uninteresting]
 
@Jefffrey You mean, as compared to smoking?
 
@Jefffrey drink massive amounts of water in a short period of time (I asked a biology teach, that will kill you)
 
In addition to the numerous documented negative health effects of smoking, several types of "Smoker’s Paradoxes", or cases where smoking appears to have specific beneficial effects, have been observed. These effects should not be confused with altered mortality rate in "quitting ill". Mechanism Often the actual mechanisms for smoking's health benefits remain undetermined. A plausible mechanism of action in some cases may be the nicotine in tobacco smoke acting as an anti-inflammatory agent and interfering with disease processes. Specific conditions * Digestive system ** Risk of ulcerati...
 
7:12 PM
Why does it have tar anyway?
 
It's the same shit as people pushing forward censorship to ~protect people~
 
this guy apparently solved that somehow. @Xeo this STM thing is the magic right?
 
Starts with banning things that are ~~~bad~~~, and then just goes on to banning things that currently ruling people don't like
 
@DeadMG what's special about smoking as compared to drinking alcohol
@R.MartinhoFernandes paper IIRC
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes so we can use dead smokers for our streets
 
7:13 PM
Sounds like a waste
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah that's what is happening in Russia.. they banned the swastika last year
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes To slow the burning down I think
 
@Jefffrey Because smoking pretty much has the sole effect of killing yourself and everyone around you. Whereas light drinking doesn't.
 
hmfhfmakfhjsdlkfa
 
now they are banning a rainbow flag
 
7:13 PM
I'm dumb and can't code.
 
Tar is not like special baobab seeds that need to be shat by dodos to germinate.
 
@DeadMG read the wiki
 
Ell
@DeadMG Do you think smoking one cigarette a week does this?
 
Tar can pave streets without being smoked by humans.
 
I know people of 90 year old that smoked 3 cigarettes a day and is healthier than I am
 
7:14 PM
@Ell statistics bitch
 
@Ell Pretty sure that it's just less likely to kill you than ten cigarettes a week.
 
smoking does not kill people
 
Humans can pave streets without being smoked by tar.
 
Laws should be a minimal complete set that stops country from descending into an anarchy
 
Passive voice. Right?
 
7:14 PM
fear and stress caused by this "smoking kills" does
 
Ell
@DeadMG Right. If you drink half a litre of vodka a day it's going to kill you pretty sharpish too
 
@Jefffrey A few rare diseases isn't anywhere close to the death rate.
 
what the hell is a transactional channel
why do I have to know that :/
 
@DeadMG oh, because alcohol makes you dick longer instead?
 
7:15 PM
It's a channel that supports transactions
 
@Jefffrey you have a very scientific approach to this
 
@Ell True. The difference between smoking and alcohol is that if you smoke one cigarette a week, you just have less chance of dying of cancer compared to someone who smokes ten. If you drink alcohol in moderation, you don't have any extra chance of dying horribly.
 
well it's not going to run concurrently
srsly, halp.
 
@Jefffrey alcohol in small quantity can be beneficial to your body
 
[citation needed]
 
7:16 PM
@Jefffrey It's a Wikipedia article. A very short one.
 
Do you by chance know any friend of a friend's cousin that gained superpowers by smoking?
 
Alcoholism is far more devastating than smoking
 
@CatPlusPlus Laws should be whatever is necessary for the maximal efficiency of that country.
 
@CatPlusPlus usually they come together
 
@CatPlusPlus Extreme alcoholism is definitely just as bad as smoking, if not worse.
 
7:17 PM
Literally a slave camp
No, it's much worse than smoking
 
eh
 
And not even extreme
 
you can define efficiency however you'd like.
 
but
 
7:17 PM
You apparently define efficiency as taking away people's freedom until only ~~optimal choices~~ (according to you) remain
 
I won't say it
 
I smoke socially
 
keyPressed g _ GLFW.Key'F _ GLFW.KeyState'Pressed _ =
  modifyIORef (filterSelector g) (\x -> (x+1) `mod` 3)
 
I thought you'd quit?
 
that's the other solution
 
Ell
7:18 PM
@DeadMG nobody would live there
 
I did
 
but it's so suck
 
@TonyTheLion is this required to be social?
 
economic efficiency is a part but only a part of it.
 
but then I started again
 
7:18 PM
I am feeling pulled by the suck
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes he's so good at quitting, he can do it again and again :p
 
healthcare efficiency and law enforcement efficiency count too.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix well, I only smoke in social occasions
 
BEEP BOOP I AM A VERY EFFICIENT CITIZEN
 
Ell
Nobody would live in this country
it would be a desert
 
7:19 PM
yes
 
Ell
why would anyone in their right mind want to live somewhere with no freedom
 
@Xeo lol
 
whoever said anything about no freedom?
 
Rather nobody would like to live in this country, but you wouldn't be allowed to leave
 
Ell
@DeadMG you
banning everything
 
7:19 PM
it's just not some blind dedication to freedom.
 
Because that wouldn't be efficient for the country
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion solution: don't let social occasions arise!
 
freedom is not worth more than the benefit of the group in general.
 
Ell
@DeadMG yes it is
 
@Xeo oh I hadn't thought of it. If I just hermitize completely, my problem is solved
 
7:20 PM
I convinced a friend to quit and am working on another one. I'm insidious
 
if keysPressed ui ^. contains KeyEsc is the second approach
 
I pressed 1 on the elevator and wondered why it didn't go up.
 
our individual cells have the freedom to mutate and our immune system goes around killing every cell that does. Obviously that's quite extreme
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do that too often
Freedom is literally the only thing worth a shit in this pointless fucking world
 
Ell
@DeadMG Good thing our cells aren't conscious then else they'd all commit cell death
 
7:21 PM
I highly value my freedom to tell you your opinions are terrible
 
I still don't understand people that smoke in social occasion. I speak with people that smoke and I don't smoke... So how can't they speak between each others without having something in their mouth?
 
@CatPlusPlus Not a freedom I would take away.
 
@CatPlusPlus That is very noticeable. We're happy to have you to remind us of this.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix because people are weak willed creatures of habit
 
as far as I can tell
 
7:22 PM
you're a puppy
 
DeadMGLand would involve cutting nearly as much from the current government as adding to it.
hardly some great sweep of individual rights.
there are many individual rights like free speech that greatly serve the interest of the group.
 
I'd rather live in Zombieland
 
Eh, vlad got the accept. sadface.png
 
in some ways, Ell, you are far more conformist than I am.
not wanting to discuss things because of peer pressure?
that's not freedom at all.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes does Germany do american style floor numbers, ie you walk off the street to floor 1?
 
7:23 PM
21 March 2019: The Day of The Glorious Revolution of the Marlborians of DeadMGLand.
 
Vlad's in a good mood today
 
my nation is much more free than "We can't discuss this because it's uncomfortable".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :lol:
 
(also not a pit of incompetence)
 
Just a pit of misery
 
Ell
7:23 PM
@DeadMG I do that for benefit to myself, voluntarily
 
@DeadMG Easy counter-example: incest
 
Ell
I don't want to alienate most of my peers, so I discuss some things just with some of my peers
 
@thecosh depends on building.
 
And highly developed underground society
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz looks almost like English.
 
user1804599
7:24 PM
COBOLL
 
Some buildings have an Erdgeschoss
 
Some buildings in Germany have German words in them
Did you know that?
 
Ell
@DeadMG It is freedom. I chose not to discuss this not because I was silenced by someone but because it's what I think is in my self interest
 
@DeadMG Another one: burkas
 
7:25 PM
Erdgeschoss = ground floor
FYI that doesn't do German
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit burkas should be banished
 
I'd ban religions before banning smoking
And that's still stupid
 
@Ell That's kinda like saying, "I'm a slave, but I choose to carry this stone block, because it's in my self-interest not to get whipped or killed for not carrying it. Therefore, I'm totally free and it's in my own self-interest to carry this block and totally my choice."
 
Ban on opaque women's clothing.
 
@DeadMG He's right. Pretending that his decision not to talk about something somehow means his country is less "free" is absurd. Your definition of "free" apparently means "I can do anything I want with no repercussions whatsoever", which is not what anyone in the world has or can have
 
7:25 PM
Ban on everyone's opaque clothing
 
I live in a 50% muslim city and even here people freak out when they see burkas
 
Let's not be sexist
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/ opaque// huehuehuehuehue
 
You live in Canada.
Are you a necrophiliac?
 
I'm in Russia atm
 
7:26 PM
I like my women alive.
 
Was that a yes or a no? :/
 
Ell
@DeadMG I agree that it's in their self interest to carry the block. But that doesn't make them free
 
Not frozen to death.
 
A business opportunity
 
pretty cool these day we got rain two days ago
 
7:27 PM
Transparent clothing for extreme temperatures
 
@Ell Right, and conversely, I can carry one around if I want to make an art statement, without being unfree.
 
now there is ice everywhere
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Its preposterous claim hour, I thought it was implied women should also stay at home.
 
ITS A TRAP!
 
This notion of personal "freedom" the way the US defines it is strange anyway. People keep abusing terms such as "freedom of speech" with the fantasy that it means any action is acceptable, and any action should have no consequences undesirable for the actioner. It's nonsense.
 
7:28 PM
@Ell Obviously it's in your self-interest to not alienate your peers. But that doesn't make you free.
 
Ell
freedom is not being controlled by someone with a monopoly over force
 
Oh, it's definition time
 
There are very, very, few countries in the world without "freedom". The US thinks it has a monopoly, though, and some Brits think it's rare. It's the way our propaganda machine feeds us lies about the so-called "third world", ironically making us less free.
 
Wikipedia quotes incomin
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I agree. Whenever anyone suggests any kind of restriction on anything, it seems like "OH MY GOD BUT IT'S NOT FREEDOOOM" instantly wins 45% of the counter-vote.
 
Ell
7:29 PM
all governments are are monopolies over force :3
 
@DeadMG yeah >.<
 
@Ell They're also a useful central control which can achieve better results.
our bodies could not function without a central brain.
and I see no reason that a country should be able to function without a government.
 
Speak for yourself
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's like democracy... Two wolf and a sheep voting for dinner
 
I'm a distributed network
 
7:30 PM
@DeadMG Actually, most of what our bodies do is controlled by de-centralised systems in the spinal column.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit A lot of it, yes. But without a brain you're very dead.
 
and the brain is what enables our more complex behaviour.
 
@DeadMG As a human, sure. As an animal? Not in the slightest.
 
Are you?
Jell-O produces brainwaves.
 
7:31 PM
Plants don't have brains do they?
 
@DeadMG The planet Earth is a system with incredibly complex behaviour and no central brain.
 
Proof you don't need a brain to be alive!
 
Hey @EtiennedeMartel good choice buddy
 
@CatPlusPlus Hm?
 
Leaving, I mean
 
7:32 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's also not alive and doesn't make any decisions about anything, to any end.
 
Ell
@DeadMG But the person carrying the block is unhappy either way because they have been forced, while I'm happy either way. It's a good point and don't know how to argue around it, but I find it strange that you think me making a voluntary choice which benefits me while I could also make a voluntary choice which doesn't benefit me to be "unfree"
 
@DeadMG Arguably the system that is the planet Earth and everything on it makes all decisions.
 
It's getting worse
 
@DeadMG To continue you'd have to persuade me that we make any decisions of any kind, which is unprovable and unknowable.
 
@CatPlusPlus And you brought me back for this? Tsk tsk.
 
7:33 PM
We should drown it out
 
he loves argument
 
well, you could crap around arguing about the definition of decision, but I don't really see the purpose in that.
 
Post pony shit
 
OCEAN
TEA
BULLDOGS
 
7:34 PM
@DeadMG If you're going to base your argument on whether something makes decisions, then the definition of a decision couldn't be more relevant, nor determining the answer more purposeful.
 
CCCCOMBO BREAKER
 
FOOBAR
 
why do I always want to program the most technically skillful stuff to program? :| I can't find examples of what I am trying to do anywhere online
 
7:34 PM
Electronically erasable spair
 
@CatPlusPlus I was made for this.
 
@Crowz Figure it out by yourself maybe
 
You were made to fling pony shit?
 
Yes
All over the internet
 
You need to stop doing everything by example
 
7:35 PM
that sounds horribly wrong
 
@CatPlusPlus you say that like I'm one of you smart people or something .-.
 
You're not even trying
 
Read a book, like most of us have done at some stage
 
Not being a smart person is not an excuse for not trying to be one.
Quite the opposite.
Why am I sitting here with a keyboard on my lap and typing on the damn phone.
 
7:36 PM
Let's all follow Pinkie Pie's example.
 
I regret everything
10
 
Here's a pink pony
 
No, I'm saying teach the simple machines before you teach the compound machines. As a side note. — Zac Howland 3 mins ago
ಠ_ಠ
 
@CatPlusPlus I got... some of it done? I have a moving model in a scene, but it's just sitting there being lame.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This. There's a reason why I tried to help with ogonek. It's probably over my skill level but if I don't try hard challenges well I'll never improve.
 
7:37 PM
@Crowz Then make it move
Experiment
 
Come to think of it, I'm not sure it's a good example, considering Pinkie Pie is schizophrenic.
 
Start multiplying shit together
I don't know
 
hm but I am wondering if doing this kind of animation on the fly is even technically viable
 
Schizophrenia has been banned, because it's bad for you
@Crowz Do it and see
 
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
 
7:39 PM
@Borgleader Btw, I haven't forgotten you have some code for me to look over. Just been a tad busy elsewhere :)
 
Wait, right author, wrong book.
 
I have too much on my plate.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's ok :)
 
7:41 PM
I hope I got this comment right.
 
@Griwes In composing my reply I think I finally figured out where I stand on the issue.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the bastards!
 
@TonyTheLion You are what you eat taken a little more extremely than most species.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wrong, you have too small a plate.
 
7:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you try the more recent Wide build?
 
My plate does not need upgrading. You can stop bothering me, Flash.
 
@thecoshman Too little
 
@DeadMG I left boost upgrading but then I left work.
 
7:50 PM
k
 
lol
 
Might try again later this evening, or tomorrow
 
Aren't you tired?
 
@Griwes Did SO ask you to continue in a chat room yet?
 
IIRC you didn't have much sleep last night
 
7:51 PM
@Borgleader yeah, long time ago ;d
 
Who?
I'm never tired!
 
Our plastic pal who's fun to be with doesn't need sleep.
 
I cough believe you cough
 
I burnt myself.
 
10 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I'm sleepy
 
7:54 PM
@EtiennedeMartel a dildo?
 
Although...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what sorts of things are people looking for in the logo?
 
@thecoshman A penis.
 
@thecosh I don't think anyone knows
Though in honesty, I haven't slept properly in a long time.
 
7:55 PM
what about some sort of group shot thing?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Get some sleep now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Try just going to bed.
 
@EtiennedeMartel too early
 
this never occurred to me, but you can have ADL on unary operators, right?
 
7:57 PM
I had a 2hr nap when I came home
 
I guess I've never seen a non-member dereference operator overload or something.
 
it was awesome
 
@TonyTheLion YOU'RE AWESOME
wait a minute...
 
YOU TWO SHOULD TOTALLY MAKE OUT
 
But I don't wanna sleep!
I have things I want to do!
 
7:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just crash on your bed and fap.
Or don't fap.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes who are those JB guys?
 
JetBrains
Justerini & Brooks
 
James Bond
 
@EtiennedeMartel Puppy doesn't want love, by his claims earlier today
Jet Black?
 
@TonyTheLion I know that guy. But Spike is cooler.
 
7:59 PM
@TonyTheLion making out != love
 
Actually, I just want to lay down and rest.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ fucker
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just close your eyes for a while.
 
I'd totally make out with myself, but not make love.
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