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12:07 AM
20 minutes of nothing at this time of the day? Did I scare everyone off?
 
Yeah.
 
Ell
I'm fecking tired
night guise
 
user3010322
Hm.
 
user3010322
This can get very untenable very fast for larger image sizes...
 
Looks like Konrad sparked a healthy debate on meta.
 
user3010322
12:18 AM
Shots fired and target hit!
 
user3010322
LOL
 
user3010322
For a 4K x 4K image...
 
user3010322
I'd be using 1 GB of memory. :v
 
Xeo
gah, I can't sleep
 
 
12:23 AM
fuck
chown-socket is not working
 
okay. asking her now
 
it has www-data group properly
but nginx still says he can't access it
 
@ThePhD 64MB if 32 bits per pixel. How did you come up with 1GB?
 
@ThePhD oh noes
 
user3010322
@doug65536 16 bytes per pixel.
 
12:25 AM
whooooooooooiiiiiy
 
@ThePhD That's still 4 times off.
 
user3010322
Then, it's 4 buffers for some of the separate components, so 16 x (4096 * 4096) x 4
 
inb4. vector<vector<tuple<optional<int>, optional<int>, optional<int> > >
 
i probably should configure emperor mode
but effort
 
12:26 AM
@ThePhD Well thats 4 4K x 4K images, not 1 =/
 
user3010322
@Borgleader Well, yeah. GBuffer and all. vOv
 
how do your images take up more than 4 bytes per pixel? o_O
 
Whoa. SO be slow
 
user3010322
4 floats
 
user3010322
Which is arguably a lot more precision than I need.
 
12:27 AM
@Rapptz 4x 32bit [0, 1] float is a common thing.
for colour.
 
but
 
makes soooo much sense,
it should be a SenseFactory
 
why do you have four buffers for a bunch of the separate components?
isn't that what 4 floats is for already- to store the different components?
 
user3010322
It was mostly for cool-factor: I was storing the final specular color, diffuse color, etc. in separate buffers
 
12:28 AM
SO be extremely slow
 
user3010322
so I could toggle between them and analyze them separately
 
loads okay for me
 
right
but you know that the GPU can compress and uncompress textures on the fly, right?
and also that 4k x 4k is a ridiculous texture size?
 
user3010322
Raytracer, so this is in-memory (at the moment).
 
user3010322
RAM and CPU.
 
12:29 AM
that's still a completely unnecessarily large texture size
I mean
 
user3010322
I was simulating the limits of what a person would ask for output (4K x 4K image over the scene they specified).
 
in order to make use of it, the user would have to be zoomed so far in to whatever object you're texturing, you couldn't see anything else.
so you wouldn't need RAM for any other purpose.
 
@ThePhD performance is going to be hard enough when raytracing, don't kill it by making the resolution unreasonably high
 
well for one thing, the user's screen is probably no bigger than 1080p in the vast majority of cases anyawy
 
Well with the newish 768GB ram rigs, you would have plenty to spare...
 
12:32 AM
Today is the first day of Unhorned unicorns ...
 
@CaptainGiraffe IRTA jewish
 
@CaptainGiraffe With the oldish 768GB ram rigs you'd have precisely as much to spare...
Night all!
 
user3010322
Nighty night.
 
And this, my friends, is why IO on linux is orders of magnitude faster than on windows:
sehe@desktop:/tmp$ mv MODULAR_BOOST /mnt/LARGE/
sehe@desktop:/tmp$ time sync

real	0m21.162s
user	0m0.000s
sys	0m0.033s
(that's 1.7 GiB)
 
@sehe This is what you call going to bed? :P
 
12:38 AM
Yeah, I remembered to save my tmpfs stuff :/
Bye
 
'night!
 
Mwahaha my comment on Shog's answer has the most upboats :3
 
12:50 AM
LOL
 
meh, console wars
 
Both consoles are shit.
 
heh
 
@sehe Oops, how curt of me. What I intended was: ‘I think that using std::pair is innocuous’.
 
> no u see it is impossible to tell what genitals are on babies until the babies tell you what genitals they have
 
12:58 AM
@Rapptz You might find this interesting. /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
Hearthstone is babby's 1st MtG clone
 
lol
I find it so weird that I enjoyed seeing people playing it, but not so much playing it myself.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Do you play HS?
 
that is because the initial games feel like grind.
and no one likes grinding
 
@Rapptz Except WoW players. Oh which there exists seven millions.
 
user3010322
1:01 AM
Or EVE players.
 
Yeah, that's a lot of people.
Also, Candy Crush Saga players.
 
I don't know how you'd grind on a bejeweled clone
then again, I didn't know how you'd grind at a card game either until I played HS
 
@Rapptz No doubt. Beyond that though, when I look at the card that are obnoxiously out of my reach there isn’t that spark where I start thinking ‘yes, I could incorporate that one and try to do this, or this’.
 
Yeah I know how that feels.
Trying to get legendaries is a pain.
 
I got 5 but not the best ones (I shouldn't complain though, I think I'm above average for the number of packs I opened)
 
1:05 AM
All my packs are shit
Makes me sad
 
@Rapptz Duel of the Planewalkers 2014 has unlocks — which is quite reprehensible on its own. OTOH looking at the decks does trigger that spark from the beginning, even with no unlocks. That and the promo codes which grant you unlocks (if you think to look for them) made me forgive it to an extent.
 
Magic 2014 has loads of DLC and a horrible UX though :(
 
Also part of the process of unlocking is, well, playing the game for the sake of playing the game, which is quite challenging. Not ‘if I play through this then I can start doing what I want’.
 
@Rapptz Just like the real MtG then huhuhuhu.
 
user3010322
MtG 2014 has the worst UX.
 
user3010322
1:07 AM
Only slightly improved since 2013.
 
@Rapptz Yeah I was expanding on your point about unlocks, not reviewing the game :D
 
user3010322
They need some real help, figuring that shit out.
 
@LucDanton Yeah that's a big issue with Hearthstone. e.g. "If I get to level 10 I can get my basic cards" or "If I win 7 matches in arena I might get my money back"
 
@Rapptz no you get the entrace fee back with like 3 wins, the pack you get is "free" as well after 6-9 wins I cant remember how many.
 
I meant in gold man.
It's 7 wins to break even
i.e. guaranteed 150 gold and 1 pack
that's how you've made "profit"
but from 0-7 you're not technically guaranteed gold, but it's either dust or gold.
 
1:10 AM
You can not get any gold? TIL. I don't remember that ever happening to me. Maybe I just got lucky.
 
yeah you can get dust instead
I think they value the dust more than the gold though because it's rarer to get as a reward in arena
 
@Rapptz It's not like they're making good stuff anyway.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz ..... <_________>
 
user3010322
What
 
user3010322
They're high
 
user3010322
literally, high.
 
user3010322
1:31 AM
I mean, if they make something awesome with it, sure??
 
user3010322
But I don't understand what this plan is all about.
 
user3010322
What just happened to... making awesome games??
 
> Embracing things that would be impossible, or at least much harder, in a physical card game, it includes the ability to clone cards with some skills.
?_? not really
 
@ThePhD lights were difficult, I linked you a paper once...
 
1:46 AM
@Borgleader I saw this at least 8 years ago
 
@Rapptz Its from 2012...
 
user3010322
@ScarletAmaranth Which lights have you implemented?
 
I specifically remember it being on /b/ back then
Must have been the same concept then, iunno
I just specifically remember it for some reason being on /b/ back in like '06-'07
@Borgleader teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=152689 here's a post from 2010
 
@ThePhD point lights, directional lights, ambient lights (all fairly simple once you havet he basic concept)
 
user3010322
Ambient lights?
 
user3010322
1:52 AM
Don't those just bump the color value for every pixel? Why do they need to be a light type? o.0
 
@Rapptz That about HS?
 
yes and no
it's the article you got plinked with
 
@ThePhD mmm, youre "kinda" right, I still use the model of lights on it
 
user3010322
Hm. Well, hokay.
 
2:01 AM
@ThePhD it models light that gets everywhere. in a raytracer, it reduces the need for a huge number of samples and reduces noise in hard to reach areas
 
user3010322
You've lost me. :D
 
Anyone played with subninja so far?
 
@ThePhD raytracers need to cheat a bit too you know. unless you want to require a ridiculous number of samples per pixel
 
it's just #include
 
user3010322
@doug65536 ... What... what are you talking about. <_>
 
2:04 AM
Thanks Sherlock.
 
haven't found a use for it yet since none of my projects are gigantic enough to warrant it
it's probably there to manage dependencies
 
@ThePhD maybe I should ask you what you're talking about. apparently I don't know
 
e.g. subninja("boost") or whatever
 
user3010322
@doug65536 Ambience is just bumping up the level of light for all pixels in the scene. I was wondering why it was made an actual light type. Scarlett explained that part, and I get it. It's your bit I don't get. @__@
 
@ThePhD my bit describes why you would bump up all the pixels
"bump up all the pixels" is an oversimplification. it is still modulated by the material, it's just irrelevant where those pixels happen to be relative to a light
 
user3010322
2:08 AM
Mmm.
 
Meh, op asked question again, now is question-banned. Next!Robert Harvey 34 mins ago
 
user3010322
Lol.
 
So that whale troll guy asked the question again. Now he's question banned.
 
I hope he won't turn out to be as persistent as the python dude
 
I wonder what happened to the Python troll.
Did he give up? Run out of ip addresses?
 
2:24 AM
Maybe they made him a sandbox with automated close votes, so he thinks hes trolling us but really is just alone triggering bots to clove vote his questions
xD
 
When you get your account deleted, I believe you just get logged out.
The last few of his posts that got deleted were actually directly mod deletions of the account.
 
You ruined my fantasy D:
 
So he never even sees what happened to his question.
If a mod doesn't get to it, it always gets red-flag deleted with only "Community" as the user who does the deletion.
So I guess after a while that would get boring.
Part of the "not feeding the troll" thing.
Though it would be hilarious to see what would happen if you put the Python troll against the Chat with an Expert Bot without telling him.
 
2:40 AM
@EtiennedeMartel what's that thing after the Wankel engine? elastics or something?
 
user3010322
2:56 AM
Hm.
 
user3010322
Now I need to do the actual light equation calculation.
 
user3010322
(Not including that of reflected or refracted rays).
 
user3010322
@ScarletAmaranth Any ideas to help me out here with figuring out how to do BRDFs?
 
> ninja: error: 'phony', needed by 'debug', missing and no known rule to make it
Oh dear, that’s from putting ‘phony’ in the implicit inputs.
 
 
2 hours later…
4:37 AM
wtf guys y so silent
 
I don't know.
 
user3010322
Because I'm doing Javascript =/
 
> I'm Albertan, that's Canadian Texas.
rofl
 
makes sense
 
4:52 AM
 
I noticed just now how his voice reminds me of Trevor Moore of the Whitest Kids U’ Know. Some of which I’m going to watch.
 
I like this guy's videos. They always make me laugh
 
 
5:09 AM
My scanner tried to display some artificial intelligence, but all it did was acting really dumb
 
5:49 AM
int divide(int a, int b){
   while (a%b == 0)
   a = a/b;
   return a;
}
What o.o
 
6:30 AM
Fucking hell, got bitten by non lexical scopes.
 
morning
 
6:48 AM
73% of French people think any time is a good time to enjoy a pastry
71% bake their own cakes at home one to four times a month
84% of them saying they would like to get better at cooking pastries
heh
me too, but I'm not French.
 
7:20 AM
Thanks. In my earlier code posted here I haven't posted complete code for the sake of simplicity, Now I have added error handling I am doing in my actual code. Please see the update. As I have mentioned in the update my code runs smooth without deadline timer so I don't think the problem is related to sockets. One point to mention is that I am running my code on ARM architecture. Since there involved a timer so that may be causing trouble on that architecture. I will try to run my code on my laptop to see what is the behavior. Thanks a lot for your time. — Farrukh Arshad 33 mins ago
Lovely. So the OP says "I posted a /modified version of my code/" (lolwut) and "/didn't mention the most important thing/"
That was a solid waste of time then
 
Oh, he didn't mention the ARM part before?
 
Nope. Funny people. What's with them :S
Off to work :)
 
7:37 AM
hi polar bear.
Long time no see
hi kbok!
very long time no see
 
Yeah, I feel like I don't even turn my computer on these days
 
lucky you
what do you do instead then?
 
My girlfriend keeps me busy :p
Also I've been taking karate lessons, I'm considering a career as a ninja mercenary
 
oh kewl
better than software
cause it seems no matter how good you try to make a piece of software, its still fucking terrible in the end
and it will still drain the life out of your soul
 
Ell
Meh I like software
 
7:45 AM
yea I like it too, except for the part where it takes every last inch of life you have and takes it away leaving nothing but bitter misery and despair.
 
lol, have you been feeling gloomy lately?
 
wait till you do it as a profession, you will come to realize how fucking annoying it can be. Spend all your time making it as good and robust as you can, some tester tests it, find a fucking million things wrong with it.
@kbok I get bitter about software.
 
Ell
pffft testing your code is just an inside joke, you're not supposed to actually do it!
 
making software is awesome, as long as you are not depending on it to bring a roof over your head or food on your table
 
You just need to give less fucks I guess
You know, the whole "production is on fire, still going to the movies" thing
 
7:50 AM
Is it possible to give fewer than zero fucks? Like a negative # of fucks. Wait. That would be to receive fucks. WTH does that even mean?
 
@Mysticial Interesting question there, must ponder this deeply.
 
imaginary fucks ...
 
@Mysticial You could give anti-fucks
 
(imaginary fucks) ^ 2 = -1 fuck
 
@kbok That's the thing, you see, I want to "give fucks", and I want to like my job and my work and I want to be able to take pride in what I do, but every time I spent time writing a piece of software/code and put my best into it, then someone uses it or tests it and comes back to me with some comments on how they found something that doesn't work. It just feels like such a thankless job sometimes. eh
 
7:54 AM
you are getting paid for writing the software
I receive comments on how my free apps suck
 
Now Cat will read my comments and it will just add fuel to his already very cynical fire. :/
 
that's when I decided to get as many users on my apps as possible, then sell the app with all those free users ...
I can't get $ from you so I get $ on you
 
@TonyTheLion Fire? Understatement of the decade. Cat burns like a thousand cynical suns.
 
@Borgleader And he does so without giving a single fuck.
 
@TonyTheLion Well, this is normal to have your code bumped by QA. This is actually a good thing, because otherwise it would go in production with bugs :p
 
7:59 AM
Oo, need to spend more time on my current house building project. Looking forward to get back to my apps, have not done much coding in the past week.
 
Being a good programmer really isn't about writing bugfree software the first time
 
house building = fun, share trading = fun, developing software = fun, BUT only if I get to do all of them sometimes and none all the times
 
@Mysticial I think the issue is that he does care, and that is what makes him so cynical, because he can see there's a problem, but perhaps feels that trying to do something about it, is just futile.
@kbok Interesting point. I am a bit of a perfectionist, and I hate it when I write bugs that someone else has to find. I suppose that doesn't help me in feeling like I'm actually getting somewhere as a developer
 
back to reading house building instructions :p
 
A part of being good programmer is to know how to distribute your fucks. Some bugs are worth giving a fuck about. Others not. Some bugs are worth giving absolutely zero fucks about.
 
8:03 AM
All bugs are worth giving fucks about when the person testing your software has the ability to fire you/get you fired.
Perhaps I just need to chill.
@Mysticial So, on average, how many fucks do you have to give?
I'm sure at YouTube, they require you to give some fucks at least. :P
 
cpx
Finally, I made wxWidgets run and compile from this guide.
 
wxWidgets is a piece of shit, last time I used it.
 
cpx
Haha
 
Xeo
@Rapptz oh wow
 
8:11 AM
@TonyTheLion A lot.
I get paid to give a fuck. Wait that didn't sound right...
 
Nice
I get paid to write software, about which I have to give fucks
 
@Mysticial Oh you work for youporn... and all this time I thought you worked for youtube
 
8:29 AM
Heh, I thought YouTube player finally started selecting 720p by default but no, it was just broken load
<span class="g-hovercard"data-ytid="UCs4br3aZLU0sOEM-3n0-6xQ"data-name="watch-vrec"> good job
 
so I thought I'd head to work a bit later to let the rain wear out a bit... looks like I am still going to get wet ¬_¬
 
Can WinForm Listbox items be made editable inline?
 
god damn cat! she keeps putting her toy mouse in her glass of water. WHY!!! It's so disgusting.
 
she tries to feed that mouse too o_0
 
8:39 AM
@thecoshman well, think of how it would be if it was a real mouse, and the toy mouse is not that disgusting any more
 
Octopussies are soooo gay
 
@sehe not as gay as octococks
 
ahahaahahah
 
They're a riot
 
8:54 AM
I just noticed your question is similar to this one. Are you guys in the same class? — Borgleader 1 min ago
hehehe
alright off to bed
 
user1804599
@sehe dat pun.
 
user1804599
Cool. Classical music.
 
user1804599
This one is a classic.
 
What. Where. Oh
 
user1804599
Classic FM
 
9:04 AM
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Q: Limits for self-promotion, round IV

sbiPlaying with the new SE app, I came across an old meta answer of mine, and getting curious I looked at the guy's latest answers. Of the 30 latest answers on his SO page (as of now all from the last three weeks), one third of the answers either mention his business' products or link to them or lin...

 
@rightfold Oh noes. Not a fan of that site. It seems to be afraid to raise too far above Andre Rieu and "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik"
 
user1804599
Everything is better than 100% NL and 3FM.
 
@Mysticial Not this again. sigh
 
@rightfold ^ twice true
 
sbi
@Mysticial Oh, you saved me the trouble of being accused to drive-by link. :)
 
9:16 AM
:)
 
user1804599
@Mysticial PROXY DRIVE-BY LINK
 
@sbi I can't believe you felt the need to bring that up again
that guy is just not worth the time
 
sbi
9:34 AM
@TonyTheLion I opened all the necessary tabs on my laptop before I left home, browsed through them and wrote the question while commuting, and posted it when I arrived at work.
@TonyTheLion But I do know that for everybody! :)
Anyway, I'll be back to refactoring now...
 
Xeo
@sbi yo, how's the iterator thing going?
 
user1804599
9:50 AM
assert_equal Man.new, Man.new
 
a 61 year self promoter ... lovely
 
Business is business.
 
@sbi You really need to cut down on that bolding
 
@rightfold what about 101FM :P ?
 
10:10 AM
Hi!
 
> Captain, given your awareness of Khan's true location in the medbay, may I know the details of your plan?
God, the dialogue in JJTrek is awful
 
Xeo
whee, time to see the orthopedist.
 
good luck
@TonyTheLion If your tester didn't find bugs in your software, then you weren't writing something sufficiently ambitious.
2
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think that's the least of all the badness in that.
 
what if I tell you that I dreamed some of the loungers ... what does it mean? ~_~
that I slept too much?
I am so ashamed :'(
 
10:27 AM
Bored.
Free vocab: Paresthesia is the feeling of your limbs going to sleep.
It's also 5:30 AM and I should probably consider going to sleep
 
Does VS have delegating ctors?
 
According to this it does: public.dm2301.livefilestore.com/…
then again it says it supports uniform init but those cause ICEs.
2
 
10:42 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think they do in some version.
 
I suppose delegating ctors is stable because they had it in C++/CLI already.
 
> The road to C++14 wave
what the actual...?
YES I CAN SEE IT'S A FUCKING WAVE
 
I wonder why char16_t and char32_t are so far late.
Is it that hard to make new distinct types?
 
probably decided that it was a low-reward as well as low-cost feature.
 
10:48 AM
What's new in the C11 preprocessor?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Depends how shitty your internal code is. I bet it's a mess in there
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Version and feature detection?
Dunno anything else that changed.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Don't know but given how it's lumped in with the other preprocessors, I'm going to say that the item mostly means "Fix VC's preprocessor to resemble any Standard preprocessor (and add a few predefined macros)".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes VC12 supports them
 
#define __STDC_NO_VLA__
 
personally
I'd rather see compiler-as-a-service than every single one of those features.
 
10:51 AM
hahahahha keep dreaming.
 
and improved compile times.
 
0
Q: What's new in the C11 (and, by inheritance, C++11) preprocessor?

Lightness Races in OrbitThis image from Microsoft implies that, on the roadmap to support for C++14, there is work to be done in Visual Studio to support the C11 preprocessor: What changes does this involve?

 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nonononon no inheritance.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fixed
 
Erm now...
The answer is "the same as in C99"...
What's in the chart means they want to implement the C++11 prepocessor features, as well as the ones from C++98 and C11 ones.
 
10:53 AM
The question is asking you to tell us what those features are...
and to do so as an answer not in chat -.-
 
I thought you wanted to know about the new stuff in C11, not the stuff in C99.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do...?
 
Then your question is wrong.
Just ask what's new in the C11 preprocessor.
 
"C++11 preprocessor (inc. C++98 & C11)", says the chart
@R.MartinhoFernandes What?!?
 
yeah, but C++11 preprocessor includes C99's changes, I think.
 
10:55 AM
I care about C++11. I asked in terms of C11 because I thought it'd be inherited. You pointed out that it's not. So I took C11 out.
 
It seems you're confused by the chart's misleadingness.
 
@DeadMG Then is the chart wrong/misleading?
 
nah
 
10:55 AM
the Standard does not require them to implement C11, but they are anyway.
although I guess you could read it to say that implementing C++11's preprocessor implies implementing C11's, which is not true.
 
And whatever C11 things won't be included in C++14 either.
 
Well I guess that's part of the answer, then. i.e "Not much, since they don't actually have to implement the C11 changes to gain C++11 compliance. However, to achieve compliance they do need to bring themselves up to C99 standards, which involves: X, Y, Z"
 
Wait what? The November CTP of VC++ has resumable/await o_o?
 
@ThePhD yeah I can try to help you with BRDFs
@BenjaminGruenbaum yup
@BenjaminGruenbaum __async / __await
 
@ScarletAmaranth that's swell. I should definitely check that out. Generators are something I've been missing in c++ especially the async/await use case.
 
10:56 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yep, but you have to use task not future
(PPL)
 
I'm going to guess I had something like __yield all along and didn't know.
 
nope.
only for managed code (in C++/CLI).
 
@DeadMG CT results available yet?
 
er, no.
it takes a week or so for them to be available from radiologist.
 
10:58 AM
@AndyProwl still pretty awesome. I can see why they'd do that instead of using future although a standard way would have been better.
 
at least
the contrast material is really strange, though.
 

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